Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded A on Feb 24, 2010
I have decided to submit the unpatented, open source invention, named “Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets†for competition for the Overunity Prize.
I am so sure that it works that I submit the entry even before I or any of my team has built it.
The goal is to let the World learn and build it together. No other Individual, Company, Organization or Government can apply for patents and claim it as their intellectual property. This overunity invention is meant to benefit the World.
I do not care about the actual money. The first person to deliver a working prototype to Stefan should have it. This will be an incentive for the Forum Members to act quickly.
The details of the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets are available in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory thread.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
*** Just received word that the initial experimental results are successful!!!!!!!
be sure that if you are legit then I will accept it else if you are leading these people on I will be the greatest thorn in your side. that I can promise you.
Well if the first is cop1 , the second and the third look to cancel, the less than cop1 is backed up by the more than cop1, equaling cop1. No?
Now if Art Porter's amplification is correct, then this could work also, pretty much the same thing as the magnetic amplifier with the pickup coil instead of the rotor, but this transformer is better because it closes the magnetic loop.
But from the way this is described above, I see equal cop values. Its like sayin to use a neo for a coil core and if you pulse it, the bemf will be greater than the input. And I can say it is not, as of about an hour ago. there was a difference with the mag 1 way or the other, but very small. Not enough to come close to input.
But I have been wrong many times at things I dont have experience with.
Mags
Well Im curious, and it seems easy enough, Im going to give it a go.
Mags
oh also, now I see that the second and third are not the same, as in if ac were input. I did not think on that dc pulse. So what he is saying is the third one with every pulse is > than cop1.
Mags
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 24, 2010, 03:55:56 AM
Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded A on Feb 24, 2010
unpatented, open source invention, named “Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets†for competition for the Overunity Prize.
As shown by Joe Flynn patent technology.
-Schpankme
It seems that Im in a very bad dream here.
Otto
Quote from: otto on February 24, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
It seems that Im in a very bad dream here.
Otto
Yes and I am trapped in it with you. PLEASE WAKE UP!
When I am led out of your dream, will that be considered lead-out energy too?
Quote from: Schpankme on February 24, 2010, 05:08:15 AM
As shown by Joe Flynn A technology.
-Schpankme
If the Flynn experiments are correct, magnetic flux could pass through magnets.
The Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets MUST work.
Looks like we have forum members here willing to give it a try. The race to Lead-Out Energy is on. Life is fun.
Just made a simple version but no output. Even as a simple transformer it should have some output.
The primary and secondary are 20 turns each. Will do some more tests later. Maybe the mags are too much for it. I will try without them and see if something else is the problem. I hooked it up to my normal pulse and capture setup and went through the freq. So far nada
Mags
By the way, some may say Hey Mags, 20 turns?
In pulsed transformers that deliver power, this is the way I see it done.
I enclosed a pic of a very high quality car amplifier just to see the toroid transformer at the top right.
The 2 primaries are dual 16ga 3 turns for each phase. So 20 turns of 22ga single should be fine.
I used to be an authorized repair center for the original Sounstream co. =]
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on February 24, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
Just made a simple version but no output. Even as a simple A it should have some output.
The primary and secondary are 20 turns each. Will do some more tests later. Maybe the mags are too much for it. I will try without them and see if something else is the problem. I hooked it up to my normal pulse and capture setup and went through the freq. So far nada
Mags
Great. The first thing is to check that Pulsed DC on the Primary does produce Pulsed DC on the Secondary. Use an oscilloscope to check the waveform. Put a 50 ohm resistor as load on the Secondary.
Remember that in a transformer, if there were no load on the Secondary, no current would be drawn from the Primary!
Pulsed DC Transformers already exist. Use Google to search "Pulsed DC Transformers". You should be able to produce a simple one for test purposes.
Hope that helps.
Hey Its
I started with a 12v light bulb in the output, then I went to led nada.. Do you think I have too much magnet infusion? Even without the load, the output should have loaded the cap through the rectifier, as the empty cap is a load. I would think that any way you put them there should be some output, but I tried opposite connections, switching the primary and secondary. I was astounded, I had to put it down. I was actually mad at it. =] I will be back on it in a bit. I have to run out.
maybe its just something stupid. Be back in a bit
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on February 24, 2010, 07:30:13 AM
Hey Its
I started with a 12v light bulb in the output, then I went to A nada.. Do you think I have too much magnet infusion? Even without the load, the output should have loaded the cap through the rectifier, as the empty cap is a load. I would think that any way you put them there should be some output, but I tried opposite connections, switching the primary and secondary. I was astounded, I had to put it down. I was actually mad at it. =] I will be back on it in a bit. I have to run out.
maybe its just something stupid. Be back in a bit
Mags
Do your experiment without the magnets first. Make sure with load on the Output, there is current flowing in the Pulsed DC Primary and Pulsed DC on the Secondary.
I do agree that if you have absolutely no output, something stupid must be happening. Tell us what the mistake is. We can all learn from it.
@Mags
the distance between the pulsed coil and the magnets should be bigger.
Otto
Quote from: Magluvin on February 24, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
I hooked it up to my normal pulse and capture setup and went through the freq.
Mags
There is a LR resonant circuit here. What is your resonant frequency?
Are you pulsing at that frequency?
Ok Im back. Just seein if there is any more info before I bang it up.
The mag distance is no problem. I have more cores to apply the distance.
I will do the no mag test first to troubleshoot. If it has output, then we know something, not nothing. =]
I have admitted my mistakes before. =]
I have seen these setups before, in fact there seem to be many, like the pics you show. So I have thought of it before. Its just when there is so much stuff out there, its hard to believe that, There it is, I guess it doesnt work or it would be out there, someone had to try it and they cant all be dead. So I blow it off for other things.
But here we go boys. What is cool about it is, it is easy. Simple. Not tremendous amounts of money and time, and really its just some easy to find local stuff, if you dont have it already and anybody can make it.
So its refreshing. =]
bb
Mags
Hey Paul
Just baked this lil nugget this morning. Tell me more. =]
Im gunna test the no mag setup , take a few min. bb
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on February 24, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
Hey Paul
Just baked this lil nugget this morning. Tell me more. =]
When you have a moment, put a sine wave generator on the input coil, and measure the current in the circuit. Start the generator low, and as you sweep up, the current should change, and hopefully rise and then fall again (like an upside down pudding basin).
Where the peak happens, that should be the resonance point. Note the frequency, and aim to run at this "resonant frequency".
If you change the coil in any way (more turns, less turns, different core), you will have to repeat this performance.
In reality, Mags, I expect you know all this stuff, but it may help others looking in on this thread.
(Lawrence needs to get together a more sexy name than "Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets")
ok we have transmission! It must be just the mags.
So without getting any further, my guess goes 2 ways as to the outcome.
1 as we ad mags, the output will be less, till the point that we have literally none on the output.
I say this because before I had literally ZERO in either way the polarity was on the input.
2 It may get to be more, maybe only some with a certain level of mag strength, but only to a certain point then headed toward ZERO.
This is just my guess from what I see up till now. But if Paul is correct, both of my thoughts could be wrong.
bb
Mags
Ok added 2 cores to the sides and started off with just 2 mags, 1 on each side, which limits the flux conductivity some unless the mags help out there. At first go nuthin, then tuned it a bit and the meter rose some but no light. It was about 1.5khz by ear and it is a bit louder than orbon. So Paul just may be right about the freq. I have to do more sweeping.
With the polarity one way 1.09v and the other 1.3v an a lil light bulb action. lil.
Now the volts are way down from before, emm i didnt catch the voltage just the brightness. I will do a vid on each in a lil while to document it. I want to know what that voltage was now, that bulb was brighter than the 5v 1a supply can do and the transformer is 1:1. O boy a whole can of worms. =]
Ok gunna do some sweep.
Mags
Alright, well I havnt hit any magic freq yet. But I did do some things.
I checked the no mag voltage. 48v no lt bulb 5.7 with lt. So the secondary is collecting the collapse.
Tried 3 mags on each side and the output was nill but when I reversed one sides mag polarity I got the 1v and 1.3v again when I swap the secondary polarity. So the mags seem to impede the transfer from 1 coil to the other.
I think it has stiffened the ability for the field changes to get to the other side. So that leads me to believe that maybe this is only at the mag junctions. I am using mags on both sides to space things properly, but this may be an issue. So now I will figure a spacer and try the mag on 1 side only like the drawing, and if that helps, then we have done a lot of work in a short time anyway and learned some things.
mags
Well I think the mags stiffen the flux flexibility in the core. I used 4 mags stacked on one side and the thickness of the core was the same to close the other side. Was able to get 1.5 and 1v this time between reversing the pulse polarity. When I added another stack it was nill. Then I just stuck a core to short out the mag side and we were back up and running.
Well that was fun. =]
Unless there is a really high freq that can find the resonance of the stiff cores, if there is even such a thing here, then I would probably say if it were to get to the level of transfer as it did without the mags, then the polarity difference in volts out will have, from what we found so far, a 1/1.5 ratio as we found here.
Mags
Dear Mags,
Thanks for the experimenting and sharing the results. Great Job. We have the following items to tune. Lead-out energy in other cases need to be of the right pulse strength, at the right time with the right load. (See the discussion of the Tong Wheel in the Lee-Tseung Lead out theory thread)
The Obvious Tunable parameters include:
a. Core material (try standard transformer material first and then material with different permeability).
b. Number of Turns (start with 100 on both, this will affect the strength of the magnetic flux. I believe this should vary with the type of magnet used. The stronger the magnet, the greater should be the Number of Turns.)
c. Current (Half rectification of mains AC. It should be Pulsed DC. The maximum Voltage will be important. Other techniques of producing Pulsed DC should be looked at.)
d. Frequency (50 or 60 Hertz to start. In the Flynn and Tom Bearden material, frequency was quoted as an important factor. We shall change this a little bit later after we learned more about the characteristics of this Pulsed DC Transformer with embedded magnets.)
e. Magnet (try market available, can stack, first) This is expected to be one of the most important factors affecting the magnetic flux. It is also the most difficult to select at the beginning. We can try a few vastly different magnets to get a feel. We can think of a good test sometime later. (In the Tong Wheel case, we tried different magnets with different windings first. Dr. Ting then thought of the jumping test.)
I believe we should always have the four sets of results to compare:
(1) The waveform and the RMS Voltage and Current across the Load when it is connected to the Pulsed DC Source directly. (No Transformer)
(2) The waveform and the RMS Voltage and Current across the Primary and the Secondary with the same load. There will be NO magnets in the transformer core.
(3) The waveform and the RMS Voltage and Current across the Primary and the Secondary with the same load. There will be magnets in the transformer core. The DC current is in one direction.
(4) The waveform and the RMS Voltage and Current across the Primary and the Secondary with the same load. There will be magnets in the transformer core. The DC current is in the other direction.
It should not take us long to do the proper scientific experiments. The preliminary results from Mags indicated that the research is worthwhile. To win the overunity prize and to be involved in solving the World Energy Crisis should compensate for the few days or weeks of hard work. You are leading and learning for the World.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: Paul-R on February 24, 2010, 08:43:35 AM
(Lawrence needs to get together a more sexy name than "Pulsed DC A with Embedded A")
Let us have a name competition.
I propose Forever Leadout Energy Transformer (FLET). Fover happens to be the name of my lovely grand daughter.
Hey Its
Or FLEET Freekin Leadout Energy Excreting Transformer. =] Your next Grandson, Fleet ;D
I gave it a good quick shot this morning. I dont have the test equip. needed to really expand on it .
The stiffness can probably be flexed at a resonant freq. I just dont have the high note for it. I could have missed it if its in the range I can hit with the 555 and mosfet, if the freq is tight. But the mags killed it so much, I do have doubts. So now I have to leave it to the pros.
Good luck with it and thanks for the gesture, that was very good of you. =]
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on February 25, 2010, 01:07:09 AM
Hey Its
Or FLEET Freekin Leadout Energy Excreting A. =] Your next Grandson, Fleet ;D
I gave it a good quick shot this morning. I dont have the test equip. needed to really expand on it .
The stiffness can probably be flexed at a resonant freq. I just dont have the high note for it. I could have missed it if its in the range I can hit with the 555 and mosfet, if the freq is tight. But the mags killed it so much, I do have doubts. So now I have to leave it to the pros.
A with it and thanks for the gesture, that was very good of you. =]
Mags
I like FLEET. The full name can be Forever Leadout Existing Energy Transformer. The name is sexy and the description is accurate. The permanent magnets will not degrade as the current is in the charging direction. There are no moving parts. The material can last for years if not centuries. Existing electron motion energy is leadout.
See if someone can come up with better suggestions. It will be FLEET for now.
Meeting with the Owner of a Transformer Company, Mr. Chan
Mr. Chan: “I heard about your work from my engineers who went to your shows in Hong Kong. I wanted to meet you earlier but everybody is on vacation in the Chinese New Year. What is this motionless lead-out energy device you talked about on the phone?â€
Tseung: “It is Pulsed DC transformer with imbedded magnets.†Tseung then gave a detailed presentation.
Chan: “I have been in the transformer business for decades. I never heard of putting a magnet in the core and use Pulsed DC to lead-out electron motion energy. Do you mind if I call my engineers to do a quick experiment?â€
Tseung: “The simplest non-destructive experiment is to put a diode to change the AC Input on the Primary to Pulsed DC. Check whether there is Pulsed DC current on the Secondary.â€
Chan: “Great idea. Can I buy you lunch?â€
We had a good lunch and did some casual chat. His Engineers called backed excitedly.
Chan: “They got current on the Secondary Coil. They sawed up one of our existing AC transformers and put magnets to check as you suggested. They wanted to do more.â€
Tseung: “Do you think that you can mass produce educational products based on this technology?â€
Chan: “Sure. We shall be honored to produce the first overunity transformer for the World.â€
Tseung: “How much do you charge me?â€
Chan: “I shall do the prototypes at my own expense. I shall give you a couple for demonstration. Are you sure that you want to give this technology free to the World? It is worth Trillions if it works.â€
Tseung: “I have made my decision. This technology will be given free to the World. I already disclosed it on the Internet. Not every individual will make it. A person (Mags) on the Internet has done simple experiments similar to your engineers and his results showed a ratio of 1:1.5 comparing case 2 and case 3. You can manufacture products quickly and make some money if you desire. Just donate 10% of the profit to a charity of your choice.â€
Chan: “I shall give you some prototypes for your Hangzhou Conference and the Shenzhen Show. If you participate in the Shanghai World Expo, I shall be happy to support that as well.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Fleet Flux Loaded Energy Extractor transformer
=]
Mags
This thread is DEFINITELY ON TRACK because that is how the Magnacoaster Power Generators work.
1. Here he demonstrates his WORKING UNIT right on TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvfi9ZpXKOY
2. Here you can buy a WORKING UNIT:
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/235610203
But be prepared for the TROLLS. They will be here fast to try and discourage this thread.
For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Try to discredit good honest inventors that try to help the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Trolls are generally paid by Big Oil CORPORATIONS so nothing interferes with their HUGE profits.
5. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and to fight with each other so they give up and go away.
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Something doesn't sound right here. If this truly produces overunity, then why are solar panels needed? Why is there a need for outside input power? It should be able to be started with a simple pulse and continue to run on it's own without the need for ever needing an outside power source.
It sounds to me like this is just another type of Jule thief.
For all you overunity pulse technology seekers. Keep in mind that to achieve such, you should never need to provide any more power then just a turn by hand to get the devise up and running. No input power should be required other then just one simple pulse. This means that we should not see any battery's, cap's and or any other storage devises being used at all times to power the devise.
Quote from: A on February 25, 2010, 08:36:13 AM
Something doesn't sound right here. If this truly produces overunity, then why are solar panels needed? Why is there a need for outside input power? It should be able to be started with a simple pulse and continue to run on it's own without the need for ever needing an outside power source.
It sounds to me like this is just another type of Jule thief.
For all you overunity pulse technology seekers. Keep in mind that to achieve such, you should never need to provide any more power then just a turn by hand to get the devise up and running. No input power should be required other then just one simple pulse. This means that we should not see any battery's, cap's and or any other storage devises being used at all times to power the devise.
Dear nightlight,
You are assuming that the invention has been perfected to a high degree of sophistication. In the ideal situation, only a starting energy is required.
However few of the listed inventions are at that stage yet. For example, the theoretical output of the Tong Wheel was calculated to be 150 watts and higher. The actual experimental output measured was only 2-3 watts. The extra output was not large enough to recharge the batteries. Thus the removal of the battery will stop the device. However, the RMS values of the Volt and Amp meters can confirm that Output Power is more than Input Power.
You have to be more tolerant to the prototypes. Nobody has build a working FLEET yet. Mags only demonstrated that case 3 can be better than case 2. He then realized the magnitude of the task and that he did not have all the tools to do a proper analysis. He waits for the Professionals to complete the task.
The transformer manufacturers usually use short-cuts. Do the minimum to get a product to the market. We may need to wait for the Hangzhou Research Center to do the vigorous scientific experiments.
However, that does not deter any of you from having some fun â€" Mags had his share of the challenge and fun.
EXCELLENT POINTS Lawrence.
It is SUPER NICE of you to try and HELP THE WORLD.
Thank you for all you do sir.
.
QuoteThe actual experimental output measured was only 2-3 watts. The extra output was not large enough to recharge the batteries. Thus the removal of the battery will stop the device. However, the RMS values of the Volt and Amp meters can confirm that Output Power is more than Input Power.
WRONG! You can not rely on values that are not precisely accounted for and if it truly produced more, then it would run on it's own without the need of a battery and or any other outside source other then what is natural and or magnetic to keep it running.
As for having fun, I am all for that but having fun and instilling false hope are two different things.
Prototypes are needed as well as testing and I support them but I do not support any false claims nor do I support any allegations of such. True overunity should never be claimed unless it truly runs under it's own power and still produces excess power above that.
An alternative FLEET configuration:
Could not the two windings be brought down to the bottom, and then be replaced with a centre tap winding? Such an item might be found off the peg. It only remains to cut an aperture out with an angle grinder to fit magnets.
Quote from: Paul-R on February 25, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
An alternative FLEET configuration:
Could not the two windings be brought down to the bottom, and then be replaced with a centre tap winding? Such an item might be found off the peg. It only remains to cut an aperture out with an angle grinder to fit magnets.
I personally want to keep the flexibility. We need much tuning before settling on a "production configuration". You may be able to get the soft iron plates used for transformers in your local stores. I also want to keep separate Primary and Secondary Coils as I want to try the balanced two magnet configuration. The Transformer core material is cheap. The test equipments are much more expensive.
HELP!
Can someone recommended a Pulsed DC source?
We would like to vary the voltage, the frequency and if possible the pulse width.
Thank you.
Handling the low frequency pulse environment
When I was in the swimming pool, it occurred to me that I might already have all the parts needed for testing FLEET in the low frequency environment. I already have the following:
1. The timers that can be set to 1/100 of a second (which we used for the Tong Jumping Tube experiment)
2. The relays that we can use if the current gets high. (The model we use on the Tong Wheel can handle 40 Amps)
3. The DC voltmeters and Amp meters
4. The resistors and lamps that can be treated as load
5. The multipurpose meters
6. The batteries and dozens of magnets of various sizes
7. The oscilloscope
8. The wires including those for coil windings
I already know that I can get Pulsed DC by putting a diode in an AC circuit. I also have diodes. That can take care of frequency at 50/60 hertz. I can use the Timer directly or use it to turn the relay on or off. The variation can be once a second to 100 times a second (100 Hertz). All I need is to buy the soft iron plates and the insulating liquid to be used between the plates. Mags already found a 1:1.5 ratio between case 2 and case 3. I should be able to provide results for the 4 sets of conditions described in an earlier post. The total cost of material (excluding the oscilloscope) is less than US$100. The weight is unlikely to exceed 2 Kilograms. The FLEET size should be less than half an A4 paper. It is now a matter of tuning to get an Output exceeding Input by 1 watt to satisfy the overunity prize competition. Who else would like to compete to get a working prototype to Stefan first?
Help will still be needed at higher frequencies. If the Lead-Out Energy environment were similar to the Tong Wheel (requiring time for the lead-out effect to complete), the above parts might do the trick. At least I can start the early testing in my bedroom!
Simple variable frequency oscillator
This is a very simple circuit utilizing a 555 timer IC to generate square wave of frequency that can be adjusted by a potentiometer.
With values given the frequency can be adjusted from a few Hz to several Khz.
To get very low frequencies replace the 0.01uF capacitor with a higher value.
The formula to calculate the frequency is given by:
1/f = 0.69 * C * ( R1 + 2*R2)
The duty cycle is given by:
% duty cycle = 100*(R1+R2)/(R1+ 2*R2)
In order to ensure a 50% (approx.) duty ratio, R1 should be very small when compared to R2. But R1 should be no smaller than 1K.
A good choice would be, R1 in kilohms and R2 in megaohms. You can then select C to fix the range of frequencies.
ltseung888,
How does your Lead-Out Energy differ from that of Nikola Tesla Radiant Energy?
-Schpankme
Itseung
Quote:
Can someone recommended a Pulsed DC source?
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Buddy the way I see it,
Its All in the "pulse" and its "Tricky"
Chet
Quote from: Schpankme on February 26, 2010, 02:24:41 AM
ltseung888,
How does your Lead-Out Energy differ from that of Nikola Tesla Radiant Energy?
-Schpankme
Extract from http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/tesla_energy.htm
Quote
Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932 Nikola Tesla states:
I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight……
The Lead-Out Energy theory is much simpler. We WILL not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy if our machine can Lead-Out (or bring-in) energy from the surrounding. One good example is gravitational energy. If you pull a pendulum horizontally, the pendulum bob will rise. The basic physics laws state that:
Horizontal Work or Energy Supplied = Horizontal Force x Horizontal Displacement
Vertical Work or Energy Supplied = Vertical Force x Vertical Displacement
If you work out the example of a 10 unit of Force pulling horizontally on a 60 unit weight (vertical force), the ratio of horizontal Energy/vertical energy is roughly 2:1. This implies that we can supply two parts of horizontal energy and lead-out 1 part of gravitational energy to use.
The pulled pendulum is not a very efficient machine. Theoretically, we can use copper wires and let it swing in a magnetic field to extract the Lead-Out Energy. We then pull it again at the right time to lead-out gravitational energy again. The more practical way is to change the oscillation motion to a rotational motion. Also change the gravitational field to magnetic field. Instead of the mechanical pull, we use Electromagnetic pulse.
In our patent application, we stated that energy can be lead-out via suitable pulsing. In the Tong Wheel, we used Pulsing Coils to drive magnets on a rotor to lead-out gravitational and magnetic energy. In the FLEET, we use flux changes to lead-out magnetic (electron motion) energy.
Details are in the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Energy thread. I shall write a book to describe the full details. The decision is to have an easy to demonstrate and inexpensive working prototype to accompany the Book. The Tong Wheel is too expensive and too bulky. The FLEET may be the right answer.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
Quote from: ramset on February 26, 2010, 03:29:47 AM
Itseung
Quote:
Can someone recommended a Pulsed DC source?
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Buddy the way I see it,
Its All in the "pulse" and its "Tricky"
Chet
A pulsed DC source should be cheap. I think all we need to drive the Fleet's input coil is a 555 with attendant components, with the output, pin3, feeding a transistor between a battery and the input coil.
Can someone sketch this out with components and values?
(providing for a wide range of frequency and input voltage)
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 26, 2010, 12:45:18 AM
Simple variable frequency oscillator
This is a very simple circuit utilizing a 555 timer IC to generate square wave of frequency that can be adjusted by a potentiometer.
This is good but I think we need to be able to use it to switch a transistor
to supply a better voltage and power level. I don't know how much the 555
can give on the output pin, but it won't be very much.
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 26, 2010, 05:00:26 AM
The Lead-Out Energy theory is much simpler ... we use Electromagnetic pulse.
In our patent application, we stated that energy can be lead-out via suitable pulsing.
Lawrence Tseung
Director - Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
ltseung888,
It's unfortunate that your reinventing the wheel, that Nikola Tesla described in great detail over 100-years ago; and to be self-serving, you have renamed Tesla's Patented Work on Radiant Energy to something ridicules called Lead-Out-Energy (i.e. to Lead a horse to water or Lead Acid Battery).
- Schpankme
"Lets play follow my leader!" - Blue Thunder 1983
Quote from: Schpankme on February 26, 2010, 11:46:05 PM
ltseung888,
It's unfortunate that your reinventing the wheel, that Nikola Tesla described in great detail over 100-years ago; and to be self-serving, you have renamed Tesla's Patented Work
What is the patent number of the patent that you have in mind?
Quote from: Schpankme on February 26, 2010, 11:46:05 PM
ltseung888,
It's unfortunate that your reinventing the wheel, that Nikola Tesla described in great detail over 100-years ago; and to be self-serving, you have renamed Tesla's Patented Work on Radiant Energy to something ridicules called Lead-Out-Energy (i.e. to Lead a horse to water or Lead Acid Battery).
- Schpankme
"Lets play follow my leader!" - Blue Thunder 1983
Give credit to Tesla is fine. I do not seek wealth nor glory. FLEET is for the World. Tesla gave much to the World but received little back.
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 27, 2010, 04:54:11 PM
Give credit to Tesla is fine. I do not seek wealth nor glory. FLEET is for the World. Tesla gave much to the World but received little back.
Lawrence: Do you reckon a regular toroid would be a good starting point?
They are easier to deal with once cut in half. (less cut fingers and iron
filings all over the place).
Quote from: Paul-R on February 28, 2010, 09:27:26 AM
Lawrence: Do you reckon a regular toroid would be a good starting point?
They are easier to deal with once cut in half. (less cut fingers and iron
filings all over the place).
In experiments, it is common to try whatever is easiest and available. If you have toroidal cores already, use them.
Found a Company in Shenzhen that sells transormer cores.
http://www.gaotune.com/index.htm
Looks like we can find a match between their products and our magnets.
I made a mistake of trying to get a transformer from dismantling an existing product. That transform was of the E I type construction. It was not the C core type needed.
Here is something that looks similar to what we are doing here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm#COP
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I'm not up to speed on this thread so if this has been suggested before I apologize. The pic above of the 2 transformer halves reminded me of Metglas. Perhaps Metglas would be the best choice for this idea. I know some FE experiments have required this to work successfully. Not cheap stuff but if it works.... www.metglas.com
Ooops - I see now the link above has some amorphous cores which I believe are essentially the same as Metglas.
Welcome E2Matrix.
The more people here, the more good ideas we should have.
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Quote from: FatBird on March 02, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
Here is something that looks similar to what we are doing here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm#COP
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Thank you for the good information. Naudin is using a Pulse Generator. We shall experiment with some home-built devices first. We shall have some systematic results within a few days.
Quote from: FatBird on March 02, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
Here is something that looks similar to what we are doing here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm#COP
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From the information so far:
1. Pulsed DC on Input can produce output
2. Presence of permanent magnets will affect the magnetic field in such a way that Output can be enhanced.
3. Magnet placed in a C core section will affect the Output differently depending on direction of Pulsed DC current.
Now it is a matter of tuning the current, magnet, coil and frequency to see if energy can be lead-out via the flux change. There will be much hard work but if it is theoretically possible, it is worth the effort.
Mr. Tseung,
In regards to using pulsed DC in a transformer.
Maximum power transfer is going to occur when pulse width is on the order of the rise time of the primary.
Anything longer than the rise time
is wasted DC current in the primary
since the magnetic field has ceased changing.
This means a square wave of over 100 khz is probably going to be needed.
I tested putting a magnet next to a transformer the other day... it takes away from the system,
as core dipoles are no longer turning,
thus diminishing the changing magnetic field.
My experiments revolve around Resonating Transformers.
I'm surprised you aren't talking about this given the Lead-Out Theory relies on Resonant Pulses... does it not?
I think a great project would be to experiment with the Resonance
of a Step- up/Fly-Back Transformer from a Television Set.
Keep up the good work Mr. T.
The Observer
We are going to get BEMF happening here, aren't we? If so, we will need a rectifier with high value diodes, probably the 1000v ones that the Bedini folk use, and a battery to take it all.
The cheapest Pulse A ?
http://www.harlanlabs.com/pulsegen.html
HP 8013B Pulse Generator
1Hz to 50MHz (25MHz max square wave). Fixed transition times of 5nS (3ns into load). ±10 volt output (5V into 50ohm). DC offset ±2.5V. Pulse width 10nS to 1 sec with vernier. Ideal for testing TTL.
price: US$125
We may want to build a cheap Pulse Generator using the 555. It could a be circuit board included with the FLEET. Any good suggestions?
*** The really cheap Pulse Generator of repeatedly hitting the on/off button did not work out. The Output Voltmeter showed some change in milli-volts. Result not conclusive - except very tired figures! :D :D
ltseung888
here is the PWM circuit i have used many times, it has variable frequency and variable duty cycle.
the BUZ 350 can be replaced with an IRF540 or IRF740 etc.
Quote from: rave154 on March 05, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
ltseung888
here is the PWM circuit i have used many times, it has variable frequency and variable duty cycle.
the A 350 can be replaced with an IRF540 or IRF740 etc.
Thank you.
I was made aware of the patent from Magnacoaster. They already have demonstrated prototypes. It looks like the Lead-Out Energy theory wins again without our producing a prototype here. Electron Motion energy is lead-out (bring-in) from the surrounding by the setup. Once started, the device can continuously lead-out such energy and feedback to the starting point.
We may do an educational toy. There will be another motionless overunity device to be demonstrated in China at the Hangzhou Conference. I do not have the details at present. However, I believe the working priniciple may be similar.
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WO2009065219
Publication Title:
ELECTRICAL GENERATOR
Abstract:
Abstract of WO 2009065219
(A1) An electrical generator comprises an induction coil having a first end and a
second end. There is a first magnet disposed adjacent the first end of the
induction coil so as to be in the electromagnetic of the induction coil when the
induction coil is energized, and for creating a magnetic field around at least the
first end of the induction coil. There is also a second magnet disposed adjacent
the second end of the induction coil so as to be in the electromagnetic field of the
induction coil when the induction coil is energized, and for creating a magnetic
field around at least the second end of the induction coil. A power input circuit
portion provides power to the induction coil. A timer is disposed in the power
input circuit portion for creating electrical pulses and controlling the timing of the
electrical pulses to the induction coil. A power output circuit portion receives
power from the induction coil.
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Courtesy of http://v3.espacenet.com
[quote A=FatBird link=topic=8825.msg230119#msg230119 date=1267100259]
This thread is DEFINITELY ON TRACK because that is how the Magnacoaster Power Generators work.
1. Here he demonstrates his WORKING UNIT right on TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvfi9ZpXKOY
2. Here you can buy a WORKING UNIT:
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/235610203
But be prepared for the TROLLS. They will be here fast to try and discourage this thread.
For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Try to discredit good honest inventors that try to help the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Trolls are generally paid by Big Oil CORPORATIONS so nothing interferes with their HUGE profits.
5. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and to fight with each other so they give up and go away.
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Dear Fatbird,
Thank you very much. I have now gone through the published information including patents from Magnacoaster carefully. I am confident that they have working products.
Their products work. So will FLEET. FLEET is nothing more than Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets. The Construction is extremely simple if you are a transformer manufacturer. I shall have the test result from my team within a few days. All point to success of the outcome.
If we can Lead-out electron motion energy using the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets, we can do the following:
1. Take the AC Power Supply and rectify it but do not smooth out the fluctuating DC voltage and current. (We already know that this Pulsed DC can be transmitted via the transformer!)
2. Amplify the Power with FLEET. (Some tuning required.)
3. Convert the Output back to AC.
I believe many Countries including the USA now allow customers to supply power back to the grid. The introduction of such a device will make many customers happy. They may bankrupt the Power Companies!
Rasa is right. 2010 will be the year when Overunity Devices will hit the Market. I am sure my “disappeared manufacturing†friend is working on product rollout already. There will be more “disappearing friends†in the coming weeks. The World will benefit soon.
Patent issues
I am not a patent attorney. But from the claims of the Magnacoaster patent, the case of Pulsed DC A with Embedded Magnets is not covered. The case of ONE magnet was not covered.
My personal belief is that Magnacoster did not realize that their invention could have been applied to the Pulsed DC A with Embedded Magnets. Once anyone understands the Lead-Out Theory and compares the various configurations, the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets is obvious.
I would like to show my appreciation for the excellent work from Magnacoaster. They are relatively new as compared with Newman, Bedini, etc. However, their product is likely to be one of the most exciting - very easy to implement.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 03, 2010, 06:59:26 AM
We are going to get BEMF happening here, aren't we? If so, we will need a rectifier with high value diodes, probably the 1000v ones that the Bedini folk use, and a battery to take it all.
Aren't we going to get BEMF happening on both sides? i.e. at the input coil
and the output coil? If so, we will need diodes to protect the 555 from
getting some dreadful voltage which will need, instead, to be routed through a bridge
rectifier probably into a battery.
Could someone PLEASE post where we can download the Patent for the Magnacoaster.
Or if it is a USA patent, this site works great IF SOMEONE COULD POST THE PATENT NUMBER.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/
Thank you.
.
Hi,
Here is a link to the European Patent Office, you can download it by clicking Save Full Document under the title
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2009065219A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090528&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
It is a patent application, not a granted patent?
rgds Gyula
To Magluvin,
Thank you for your quick work. Please consider doing more in light of the new information.
It looks like the FLEET is simple to understand and implement. The breakthrough is really the use of Pulsed DC. Put a permanent magnet in the core of a transformer and electron motion energy can be lead-out. The added manufacturing cost is minimum. The added electronics are reasonably standard.
The Magnacoaster patent and products confirm the theory. However, they did not seem to have covered the "transformer" case in their PCT filing. That opens a wide door for the World. May be it is their deliberate policy. Or it may be the will of the Almighty to ensure that the World benefits.
One of our team members is working on the loopback mechanism. We shall be using thick wires. If the loopback mechanism works, the power can be magnified 1,2,4,8 ... times This is theoretically possible. The size of the unit can be small.
Continue to have fun.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 05, 2010, 07:18:12 AM
Aren't we going to get BEMF happening on both sides? i.e. at the input A
and the output coil? If so, we will need diodes to protect the 555 from
getting some dreadful voltage which will need, instead, to be routed through a bridge
rectifier probably into a battery.
Do not get too hung up on BEMF. That will not explain the extra energy. It appears that the FLEET acts like the normal transformer with step-up and step-down functions. It is Pulsed DC. But the Power (energy) is magnified from the Lead-out energy.
The magnification may depend on how many times the Output is looped back. Some program control will be needed eventually.
The Stan Meyer Water Fuel Cell Circuit
There will be a HHO car invention in Hangzhou using technology similar to the late Stan Meyer. I am supposed to explain its workings with the Lead-Out Energy Theory.
The whole point about the Stan Meyer technology is that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is far less than that when the hydrogen and oxygen gases recombine.
Look at the Circuit. It is just a Pulsed DC Transformer! Less energy is drawn from the battery because Electron Motion Energy is lead-out from the surrounding by the set up. The explanation is easier than I thought.
Need confirmation on the EI A when Pulsed DC is used
One suggestion is to replace the middle rod in the E core with a permanent magnet. Since the primary and the secondary coils are wound concentrically around this rod, this may be another alternative set up.
Things are getting more exciting and fun!
Second Test with timer
The test was as follows:
1. Use Timer ON/OFF as Pulse. Set to 0.1 seconds. There was about 50-70mV across the Primary Coil when there was no Secondary.
2. Then measured the Secondary to check whether there was transmission. There was about 5mV across the Secondary. This means some transmission. The loss was high as the number of turns are approximately equal.
3. When one A was used, there was 0 transmission in one direction.
4. In the other direction, there was some transmission.
The test was inconclusive. However, it pointed to the following:
A. A Pulse Generator is desirable. The frequency can be easily adjusted.
B. Cut down the loss as much as possible. The loss in the set up was more than 90%. That made validation impossible.
C. The use of magnet in one direction appeared to give different result than in the other direction.
D. May need to use thicker wires, higher current, better C-core and higher frequency if we want to get better results. (Especially to demonstrate overunity).
However, the test is worthwhile and fun.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 05, 2010, 04:14:46 PM
Do not get too hung up on BEMF. That will not explain the extra energy.
It will contribute to more of it, but also, it will blow the 555 if we allow
around 750volts to go hurtling at Pin 3.
Mr Tsueng,
I don't wanna get too negative... as I am a fan of your work.
However, I have no idea how you think adding a magnet to a transformer would make it work better.
What makes a transformer interesting is the fact that the core turns into a magnet.
The core DOES NOT conduct magnetism as is suggested by many sources.
The core AMPLIFIES magnetism as is described by it's Magnetic Permeability.
- the core is switchable magnet needing little energy to affect a change.
- the difference between a solenoid's magnetic field with and without core is on the order of 10,000 to 1
-putting a magnet in the core is going to decrease the amount change the core can make.
-energy transfer/production depends on how much the magnetic field changes.
So I hope you can see why I am curious of how you think this might work?
Please let me know how restricting the dipoles in core from turning would make it more efficient.
The Observer
P.S. From what I have observed on transformers, an interesting situation is that of Resonance.
At resonance you will find large pulses on both sides ( Primary and Secondary )
Quote from: The Observer on March 06, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
Mr Tsueng,
I A't wanna get too negative... as I am a fan of your work.
However, I have no idea how you think adding a A to a transformer would make it work better.
What makes a transformer interesting is the fact that the A turns into a magnet.
The A DOES NOT conduct magnetism as is suggested by many sources.
The A AMPLIFIES magnetism as is described by it's Magnetic Permeability.
- the core is switchable magnet needing little energy to affect a change.
- the difference between a solenoid's A with and without core is on the order of 10,000 to 1
-putting a magnet in the core is going to decrease the amount change the core can make.
-energy transfer/production depends on how much the magnetic field changes.
So I hope you can see why I am curious of how you think this might work?
Please let me know how restricting the dipoles in core from turning would make it more efficient.
The Observer
P.S. From what I have observed on transformers, an interesting situation is that of Resonance.
At resonance you will find large pulses on both sides ( Primary and Secondary )
Dear Observer,
The trigger experiment that led me to believe the presence of a permanent magnet will affect the lead-out energy mechanism is shown in the diagram. The Tong Wheel demonstrated the reality of the Lead-Out Energy Theory. However, it did not reveal the best lead-out mechanism.
In your understanding of the Pulsed DC Transformer, you should add an element â€" Lead-Out Mechanism which is NOT fully understood by Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung yet. Why the presence of a stationary permanent magnet lead-out more energy is unclear! But it is an experimental fact. The JNadin experiment described on reply 50 also confirmed our experimental findings.
Life is full of surprises and fun.
Hello Mr Tsueng.
Thankyou for your reply.
I guess you have some reason to believe a magnet would help.
However, I may suggest that the iron in the core is the real source of the energy
although I have noticed an unusual effect when a magnet is an inch or two from a piece of iron.
That is the domains in the iron will remain turned in the direction of the magnet when brought from the magnet. M--->I
But when brought to the same place from a spot away from the magnet... all domains don't turn. (the iron isn't fully magnetized) M I<---
Bottom line.... same spot in space,
but different magnetism in the iron.
This may be how the wheel worked,
by breaking the fragile hold of the magnet by a pulse to the coil wrapped around the iron.
Anyways... by all means keep it up.. I am interested in this.
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 05, 2010, 10:19:28 PM
The Stan Meyer Water Fuel Cell Circuit
There will be a HHO car invention in Hangzhou using technology similar to the late Stan Meyer. I am supposed to explain its workings with the Lead-Out Energy Theory.
The whole point about the Stan Meyer technology is that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is far less than that when the hydrogen and oxygen gases recombine.
Look at the Circuit. It is just a Pulsed DC Transformer! Less energy is drawn from the battery because Electron Motion Energy is lead-out from the surrounding by the set up. The explanation is easier than I thought.
Note that the Stan Meyer circuit uses toroidal core. That core does not contain a magnet. However, there are two coils on the outside circuit. One of them is variable. I believe the setup already acts as an auto feedback device. The energy is used to electrolysis water which can represent a constant load. The variable coil will be able to change the rate of current flow.
This implies that we may not need a magnet inside the core to produce the lead-out energy effect. That makes the construction of the FLEET much easier. FLEET stands for Forever Leadout Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. It will still apply to the Pulsed DC Transformer with NO embedded magnets. Surprised to find my articles on the late Prof. Yull Brown available on the Internet:
http://www.autosdrive.tk/reyull-browns-gas-brown1
The immediate gases from electrolysis of water is sometimes called Brown's Gas. It has unusual properties as described in the above articles. Make sure you use it immediately. Storing them for hours may produce the dreaded mixture of explosive hydrogen and oxygen.
Life is getting more exciting â€" even for an old folk like me!
Stan Meyer Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHT0hBgVOw
The US Government Scientists should be able to examine the working car and all the documents. The chance of their reproducing the technology is 100%.
My gut feel is that the US Government has this as a TOP SECRET project.
Now with our understanding of FLEET, any top research team in China can build and improve the technology. The Hangzhou conference will be fun.
What Stan Meyer really accomplished
Most people, including Stan Meyer himself, thought that he discovered a special method of splitting water molecules with low electrical power.
In reality, he used Lead-Out Energy via the Pulsed DC Transformer with resonance feedback. The energy required to split the water molecules remained the same! He lead-out more energy with his set up. His method can be applied to heating or lighting.
The Stan Meyer Loopback Mechanism Most people did not realize that the DC Pulsed transformer mechanism can produce overunity. Thus they could not appreciate the loopback mechanism even though they stared at it.
I and my team usually think of feedback mechanism back to the beginning or at the Primary Coil area. In the case of the Stan Meyer, the loopback mechanism occurs at the Secondary Coil. Even if the COP is tiny, the loopback mechanism will magnify it quickly. The system did not blow up because the energy drain out mechanisms at high energy production rate would cut down the loopback available.
We could use electronic control as an alternative. A simple fuse mechanism can be used to prevent blowing up initially.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 08, 2010, 09:13:35 AM
What Stan Meyer really accomplished
Most people, including Stan Meyer himself, thought that he discovered a special method of splitting water molecules with low electrical power.
In reality, he used Lead-Out Energy via the Pulsed DC A with resonance feedback. The energy required to split the water molecules remained the same! He lead-out more energy with his set up. His method can be applied to heating or lighting.
MIT scientist funded â€" use Sun Energy to Split Water
Found this article published on March 5, 2010
http://www.physorg.com/news187031401.html
I am sure that with US$4 million funding, MIT will discover the work of the late Stan Meyer and our posts here. They will have no problem producing a version of FLEET.
We now have a worthy competitor. See who can get a product to the market first. The World will benefit. “They†might have poisoned Stan Meyer. Will “they†murder an MIT scientist? Will “they†be able to murder all the forum members who read my posts? Life is fun.
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 24, 2010, 03:55:56 AM
Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded A on Feb 24, 2010
I have decided to submit the unpatented, open source invention, named “Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets†for competition for the Overunity Prize.
I am so sure that it works that I submit the entry even before I or any of my team has built it.
The goal is to let the World learn and build it together. No other Individual, Company, Organization or Government can apply for patents and claim it as their intellectual property. This overunity invention is meant to benefit the World.
I do not care about the actual money. The first person to deliver a working prototype to Stefan should have it. This will be an incentive for the Forum Members to act quickly.
The details of the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets are available in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory thread.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
*** Just received word that the initial experimental results are successful!!!!!!!
A permanent magnet do not induce any energy into the steel core in the transformer to let it be tapped by one or both coils. It will not induce any DC or extra high pulse out of the secondary coil. The magnet do nothing but saturating the iron core and move the magnetic bias inside the core. This will also decrease the pulse output regardless of the pulse direction.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on March 09, 2010, 03:30:32 PM
A permanent magnet do not induce any energy into the steel core in the A to let it be tapped by one or both coils. It will not induce any DC or extra high pulse out of the secondary coil. The magnet do nothing but saturating the iron core and move the magnetic bias inside the core. This will also decrease the pulse output regardless of the pulse direction.
Vidar
If you have a Tong Wheel in your bedroom and perform the experiment in reply 72, you will have a different conclusion.
You can check the magnetic attraction between a permanent magnet and an iron nail separated at a small distance with iron filings. Place another magnet or electromagnet behind the permanent magnet and see if the magnetic attraction changes. Tell the World your findings.
Meeting with Rasa
Rasa: “Nice to see you again. What is this earth-shaking FLEET you mentioned in your Email?â€
Tseung: “It is probably the best and easiest device to implement. It is better than the Magnacoaster product. The simplest form is the Stan Meyer diagram. You can replace the water cell with ANY other load.â€
Rasa: “There is essentially a Pulse Generator on the Primary Side of the Toroidal Transformer. On the Secondary Side, there are a diode, two induction coils and a load. Everything is off-the shelf. Any one can perform the test.â€
Tseung: “I talked to three groups so far. I did a very primitive experiment with a timer and a very leaky rectangular transformer. The result appears to confirm the feasibility of the above. Out of the three groups, one disappeared because they decided that they could produce products on their own. One group wanted to do small devices. One group wanted to do a large 5KW unit for the home. I shall talk to over 600 Inventors in the coming meeting of the Hong Kong Invention Association. These inventors will go wild with such an opportunity.â€
Rasa: “Stan Meyer died. His patents never covered Countries outside US. Even his US patents might have expired due to non-payment. The World will definitely benefit from this technology without any legal problems. If this is that simple, how long do you need to develop an independent prototype in Hangzhou?â€
Tseung: “I ask for a month and guarantee a working prototype. In reality, if you already have the Pulse Generator, the Toroidal Transformer, the inductors and wires, I may be able to finish the prototype in a day. The rest of the time will be spent sight-seeing!â€
Rasa: “I shall be in Hong Kong for three days. What is the chance of my completing a working prototype in Hong Kong?â€
Tseung: “Do you have the money immediately available to purchase the Pulse Generator or invest in one of the Companies now? If you have, talk to Dr. James Wong. You may be able to bring a working unit to Hangzhou.â€
Rasa: “This is far too easy. Any university with a Pulse Generator and a toroidal coil can immediately do the experiment and confirm your theory. I shall call Hangzhou tonight. I just cannot believe that the World Crisis is over with Stan Meyer and your explanation. FLEET is a nice name.â€
Tseung: “If USA keeps on poisoning their innovative inventors, China will be the number one nation in no time.â€
Rasa laughed. “There may be evil individuals or cartels with only their own interests at heart. The average American does not mind fair and open competition. Your posts have put the World on equal footing. I thought the Magnacoaster Product was good. But it is obsolete now. I predict that a new social order will emerge.â€
Information on booster or Brown’s Gas Generation
There is much good information in Patrick Kelly’s book:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf
Look at the advanced section related to Dave Lawton and Dr. Cramton. Both used Pulsed DC techniques. Patrick did not stress on the toroidal transformer aspects. However, he gave much construction details. I believe he might still be thinking that some resonace phenomena was responsible for splitting the water molecules. He was not thinking in terms of Lead-Out Energy.
It is good reference material. The serious experimenter should read it.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 10, 2010, 05:01:42 AM
Information on booster or Brown’s Gas Generation
There is much good information in Patrick Kelly’s book:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf
Look at the advanced section related to Dave Lawton and Dr. Cramton. Both used Pulsed DC techniques. Patrick did not stress on the toroidal transformer aspects. However, he gave much construction details. I believe he might still be thinking that some resonance phenomena was responsible for splitting the water molecules...
Very much so. On the board of the legendary bob Boyce, the winding of the various coils on the toroid is crucial. I believe that sometimes, people are putting on fractrions of a winding to get the peak of resonance, i.e. if the coil starts at 12 o' clock, it may end at 9 o'clock in order to get 3/4 of the final winding, rather than a full winding for the last turn.
If the "Q" of the coil is high, i.e. if the inductance is high compared with the resistance, the peak may be very sharp and tricky to find.
Resonance is vital. I am sure that this will also affect the performance of FLEET and other Lead out based devices.
Paul/ Tseung,
Paul.. you said
QuoteResonance is vital
I agree with you 100%.
Tesla thought resonance was the most interesting phenomenon there was..
Stan used resonance in every step of his inventions.
An Acoustic Guitar rings LOUDER and LONGER than an electric. (Resonant Chamber)
It is obvious that this phenomenon is at least a part of the answer.
Try to tell members here about the acoustic guitar, it's like talking to deaf mice. (for the most part)
Sorry, but I appear to be the only person here that realizes
that the acoustic chamber of an Acoustic Guitar amplifies sound !!!!!!!! WTF
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Listen... I have been experimenting with an audio transformer for a while. (a Step Down Transformer)
At resonance a 1.2 volt battery produces
- 3 volt pulses on the secondary
- 40 volt pulses on the primary.
When I take a 3 volt LED it DOES NOT LIGHT UP with a 1.2 Volt Battery.
This is an expected result.
Same LED .... LIGHTS UP BRIGHTLY !!!! when hooked to the secondary...
BURNS OUT !!! when hooked up to primary.
This is unexpected, and only happens when the transformer is resonating.
Further... a speaker will make
no sound hooked up to a 1.2 volt battery at 99.999 % of all frequecies !
at .0001 % of possible frequencies (resonance) it
sounds loudly. (heard from maybe 30 meters)
People...
The people who brainwashed you into thinking energy is not abundant were talking about
99.999 % of all frequencies... and they were probably right.
Too bad they never recognized Resonance is very different ballgame !
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While I am at it... for those that think the ferro core of a transformer "conducts" a magnetic field. ...
NO.. NO.. NO.. You have been brainwashed Goddammit.
THE CORE OF A TRANSFORMER OR ANY FERRO TURNS INTO A MAGNET !!!
It already possessed a huge magnetic field... that cancels itself out without an External Field.
THE CORE OF TRANSFORMER AMPLIFIES THE FIELD OF THE COIL 10,000 TIMES OR MORE !
If you don't say WOW to this... I think you are slightly daft!!!
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In conclusion,
Thanks for bringing this up Mr Tsueng.
I hope more people experiment with RESONATING TRANSFORMERS.
Good Day,
The Observer
Very intersting observations, Observer. Also the Dobro National
type guitar and the dreaded "water hammer" (viz John Worrell Keely
and his hydro vacuo machine).
Dear Observer and Paul-R,
I am sure that your observation and discussions about resonance is valid. The secondary circuit of the Stanley Meyer diagram is a resonance circuit. Electromagnetic energy is lead-out at the right frequency to produce the high observed Power or Energy.
One "disappeared" group replaced the water fuel cell capacitor with simple resistance. They "disappeared" to produce products. They believe (I believe also) that a product for the home can be produced for less than HK$1,000. The components are a Pulse Circuit, a Toroidal transformer, a diode, some resonance coils and some electronics.
Since there are no patents to jack up the price, the intense competition will drive the cost down to a level that all can afford.
Life is fun. Rasa is right. An Overunity Product will hit the market in 2010. The Magnacoaster product works but a bit expensive for the average household. When a fleet of FLEET products come out at the cost of less than US$150, the World Energy Crisis will be over. My prediction is that multiple Companies from multiple Countries will have products (or replicated products).
Bob Boyce
One of the important names in the HHO generation technology is Bob Boyce. I listened to one of his interviews. He also used toroidal transformers â€" same technique as Stan Meyer.
It probably never dawned on him to apply the circuit to other loads and not just the water fuel cell capacitor.
That is the power of knowing the Lead-out Energy Theory. The Magnacoaster device works. The Bob Boyce device works. FLEET must work. It is a matter of tuning. One needs to select the range of output current and voltage or the load before tuning.
I expect the tuning will involve frequency, voltage, current, turns of coil in primary and secondary, the type of core material, the resonance coils in the secondary and the load. A varying load will shift the resonance frequency.
Bob Boyce did much good work and shared the results of his research. Great Guy.
Hey Its
Did you get this thing going? The one I did some testing on?
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 11, 2010, 12:37:23 AM
Hey Its
Did you get this thing going? The one I did some testing on?
Mags
Three well-resourced teams got positive results. They all focus on product production now. Thank you for doing the quick research. The Late Stan Meyer diagram really helped. They replaced the water fuel cell capacitor with their own load.
It is clear that the resonance effect was overlooked by the casual experimenters in the past. The proof-of-concept phase was over in a couple of hours.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 11, 2010, 12:20:58 AM
Bob Boyce
It probably never dawned on him to apply the circuit to other loads and not just the water fuel cell capacitor...
I think he has; the B-Hex device. I believe he has a microprocessor sending computer controlled pulses to one coil
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 11, 2010, 12:20:58 AM
Bob Boyce
One of the important names in the HHO generation technology is Bob Boyce. I listened to one of his interviews. He also used toroidal transformers â€" same technique as Stan Meyer.
It probably never dawned on him to apply the circuit to other loads and not just the water fuel cell capacitor.
That is the power of knowing the Lead-out Energy Theory. The Magnacoaster device works. The Bob Boyce device works. FLEET must work. It is a matter of tuning. One needs to select the range of output current and voltage or the load before tuning.
I expect the tuning will involve frequency, voltage, current, turns of coil in primary and secondary, the type of core material, the resonance coils in the secondary and the load. A varying load will shift the resonance frequency.
Bob Boyce did much good work and shared the results of his research. Great Guy.
Yes he is a great guy. And he has experimented with other loads besides HHO. Beware of making assumptions. About people and devices. Have you seen the magnacoaster info work? Just because you see a patent pending does not mean that it works. Another assumption. There seems to be a lot of them in this thread. Sorry, but just how I see it.
Have a great day,
Bruce
LC and RLC circuit explained From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit
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Simplified overview
An LC circuit can store electrical energy vibrating at its resonant frequency. A capacitor stores energy in the electric field between its plates, depending on the voltage across it, and an inductor stores energy in its magnetic field, depending on the current through it.
If a charged capacitor is connected across an inductor, charge will start to flow through the inductor, building up a magnetic field around it, and reducing the voltage on the capacitor. Eventually all the charge on the capacitor will be gone. However, the current will continue, because inductors resist changes in current, and energy will be extracted from the magnetic field to keep it flowing. The current will begin to charge the capacitor with a voltage of opposite polarity to its original charge. When the magnetic field is completely dissipated the current will stop and the charge will again be stored in the capacitor (with the opposite polarity). Then the cycle will begin again, with the current flowing in the opposite direction through the inductor.
The charge flows back and forth between the plates of the capacitor, through the inductor. The energy oscillates back and forth between the capacitor and the inductor until (if not replenished by power from an external circuit) internal resistance makes the oscillations die out. Its action, known mathematically as a harmonic oscillator, is similar to a pendulum swinging back and forth, or water sloshing back and forth in a tank. For this reason the circuit is also called a tank circuit. The oscillations are very fast, typically hundreds to billions of times per second.
A pendulum pushed at the right time can lead-out gravitational energy.
A harmonic oscillator in the Secondary Coil circuit can be “pushed†by the Pulse in the Primary Coil circuit to lead out electromagnetic energy.
Is that a good conceptual picture for understanding?
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 11, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
Yes he is a great guy. And he has experimented with other loads besides A. Beware of making assumptions. About people and devices. Have you seen the magnacoaster info work? Just because you see a patent pending does not mean that it works. Another assumption. There seems to be a lot of them in this thread. Sorry, but just how I see it.
Have a great day,
Bruce
Thank you for pointing out some assumptions. In the research area, it is sometimes necessary to make assumptions to cut down the various possible approaches.
Rasa has ordered a unit from Magnacoaster. I shall have a chance to directly work with that unit.
Theoretically, it should work. The videos showed that it was working. The Tong Wheel definitely works and is available for double checking and verification in Hong Kong. A small version is in my bedroom. The technique is Pulsed DC to lead-out electromagnetic energy. The inspiration of FLEET was - can Pulsed DC go through a transformer?
Once the answer was a confirmed experimental yes, there were no more doubts. The rest is engineering. (Or product production)
Quote from: Paul-R on March 11, 2010, 05:21:42 AM
I think he has; the B-Hex device. I believe he has a microprocessor sending computer controlled pulses to one coil
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller
Thank you for your information again. I now found a thread in this forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8289.0
The focus should now be - build the HK$1,000 products. PLAN FOR a fleet of FLEET products to come out. The first chance is with the 600 inventors at the Hong Kong Invention Association meeting on March 21, 2010. The second chance is with Hangzhou.
The third is to pump the information on the Internet and see who can pick it up. (Sowing Seeds as in the Bible!) The World will benefit.
The resonance circuit â€" which resonance
Now that we established the Stan Meyer Secondary Coil circuit is a LC or LCR resonance circuit. I believe the electrolytes act as resistance. The special thing about it is the use of Pulsed DC and the use of diode to ensure that the loopback is also Pulsed DC.
Some people thought that the resonance is at the frequency when the water molecules break up. I believe that it is the frequency of the Lead-Out Energy. The actual frequency is not sharp and construction dependent. That does not seem like molecular frequency. I believe many replicators failed because they either try to feed the frequency directly or use different construction dimensions.
The problem now reduces to hunting for the correct resonance frequency for a given load. If we can keep the load constant, the task is greatly simplified. Good experimenters, are you listening???
LT,
You said...
QuoteSome people thought that the resonance is at the frequency when the water molecules break up. I believe that it is the frequency of the Lead-Out Energy.
The resonant frequency of the magnetic dipoles in the core of the toroidal transformer is probably leading out electron energy.
Stan got his extra energy from a ferromagnetic resonance which results in the effortless switching magnetic field of the core.
LT... think about it...
an ironish core amplifies the magnetic field of the coil by 10,000 times !!!!
Am I still the only person here who finds this astounding???
Just the amplification of the field is enough to make my teeth go crooked... but resonance too?
Come on it's a no-brainer to experiment the with the resonance of transformers (as I am doing)
*** a resonating audio transformer (step down mind you) lights up a 3v LED with a 1.2v battery ! ***
Ya hu... it lights up brightly and will burn out if you hook it to the back pulses of the primary.
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If resonating transformers were good enough for Tesla and Stan, they're good enough for me.
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The Observer
DC Pulse a resonance circuit
The general question is:
If we put any resonance circuit in the secondary coil of a transformer and DC Pulse it from the Primary at the resonance frequency, what will happen?
My answer is: Electromagnetic Energy will be Lead Out. This is the case similar to the pulled pendulum at the right time.
If the answer is this simple, there will be a fleet of FLEET in no time.
Another valid question
What happens if we apply AC from the primary to the secondary Coil with a resonance circuit? The AC is set at the resonance frequency and NOT 50 or 60 Hertz.
Will the Power (energy) appearing at the secondary be magnified?
This is best settled by actual experiments? Who can do it? It is NOT patented (or may not be patentable) but if the answer is yes, the implications will be enormous.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 12, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Another valid question
What happens if we apply AC from the primary to the secondary Coil with a resonance circuit? The AC is set at the resonance frequency and NOT 50 or 60 Hertz.
Will the Power (energy) appearing at the secondary be magnified?
This will depend on the magnet and whether, in actual fact, it leads out energy.
You say: "What happens if we apply AC from the primary to the secondary Coil...". We must remember that we don't apply anything to the secondary. It is the primary, through the transformer, which applies power to the secondary, and the secondary's circuit must be designed to be in resonance under these conditions.
I hope to have a bash at this during the weekend.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 12, 2010, 03:50:10 PM
This will depend on the A and whether, in actual fact, it leads out energy.
You say: "What happens if we apply AC from the primary to the secondary A...". We must remember that we don't apply anything to the secondary. It is the primary, through the transformer, which applies power to the secondary, and the secondary's circuit must be designed to be in resonance under these conditions.
I hope to have a bash at this during the weekend.
I shall meet two interested groups this weekend. I hope to have a fleet of FLEET products from a large number of Companies in the near future. You may want to share the early experimental results with the World. Or you may want to keep it quiet until you have the product ready to sell.
Most of the profit minded groups in Hong Kong prefer the latter.
The Chairman of the Hong Kong Inventor Association made the promise of bringing a working FLEET to the attention of the Hong Kong and/or the Chinese Government. That product may be shown at the World Expo in Shanghai. He already received requests to select and demonstrate "exciting inventions" from the 600 inventor members.
Meeting with another Overunity Device Inventor in Hong Kong
Inventor: “I borrowed a book from the library related to Overunity Inventions in Japan. It was published in 1995.â€
Tseung: “There is no harm in reading. I shall return it for you before the expiration date.â€
Inventor: “I saw on TV that some US Inventors already produced a motionless electricity generator. It had a very small footprint.â€
Tseung: “There are dozens of Inventions Shows and many Overunity Devices have been shown. I have the go-ahead to buy the equipment to build a FLEET for Hangzhou. I shall bring it to Hangzhou myself. We are not the only inventors claiming to have motionless overunity devices in this world.â€
Inventor: “Are you worried about competition? Will your product be obsolete before they come out?â€
Tseung: “The World will benefit no matter who comes out with a product first. The Inventor must be brilliant to beat FLEET. My salute to him or her.â€
Inventor: “I can see that you enjoy the challenge. I need income to support myself and my family. You are privileged and have no worry about living expenses. You can afford to donate your time and effort. The World will benefit.“
Summary of the Book on Japanese Overunity Devices published in 1995
The author used the term cosmic energy. Such energy flows in and out of all material and space. (somewhat like zero point energy). All Overunity Devices use such energy.
The five common ways include:
1. Resonance
2. Permanent Magnets
3. Electric Sparks
4. Specially wound coils
5. Special Minerals
The author used very strong words to propose his theory of cosmic energy. He also quoted some examples from the West â€" such as Tesla, Newman, Meyer, Bedini etc. He probably played on the Japanese mentality of “believing the Westâ€. He presented such inventions as proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
The good part is his personal interviews with a number of Japanese Inventors. All of them were at the early prototype stages. Marketable products were years away (that was 1995).
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 12, 2010, 09:32:24 PM
Most of the profit minded groups in Hong Kong prefer the latter.
The computer operating system, Linux, has spawned a large number
of millionaires.
Sorry to hear the sad news of the Gadget illness.
He has done much great work and inspired many good ideas. I hope others will continue his work and develop something to benefit the World.
Meeting with the Factory Owners in China
The factory owners are independently wealthy with restaurant business. They do not seek great wealth or income from the factory operation. They can afford to do some research and small jobs that are interesting but not profitable. This is ideal for FLEET at this stage as some research needs to be done.
Owner 1: “We have been made aware of your work from Mr. Chan for many months now. We built the moving parts of your two versions of the Tong Wheel and your latest transformer core.â€
Tseung: “Thank you for your excellent work. The Tong Wheel has been shown to over 25,000 people and is available for verification and double checking in Hong Kong. Whenever you have a chance to visit Hong Kong, come and take some pictures.â€
Owner 2: “You have taken a tour of our factory. You can see that we do many different jobs. We have the basic tooling machines. Building the Tong Wheels and the transformer core was very easy. Tell us more about FLEET.â€
Tseung did the standard presentation and concluded: “FLEET can be developed from any LCR resonance circuit on the secondary coil of a transformer and DC Pulsed at the resonance frequency from the primary.â€
Owner 1: “You have made the technology crystal clear. It is logical and very scientific. Once I accept that energy can be Lead-out, I can focus on the methods of leading out energy. Your pendulum example is easy to understand. I love the Pulsing to a Resonance Circuit. It is beautiful.â€
Owner 2: “It is like the electric light bulb. Before Edison demonstrated it, the World was in the dark. People thought that such things were not possible. Once it is demonstrated and understood, many people could improve it. I am sure that FLEET will be the same.â€
Chan: “What do you want us to do?â€
Tseung: “I want you to think about building a 5KW electricity generator prototype. Many groups are working on lower output systems. Think about the size of the transformer, the thickness of the wires, the type of Pulse Generators or circuit, the inductors, capacitors and load.â€
Owner 1: “We already produce a 3 KW transformer for welding machines. I think we can meet the challenge.â€
Owner 2: “This project is fun and will potentially change the World. I like to participate even if we do not make any money.â€
Tseung: “I may be able to get Hangzhou to provide the funding for the test equipments and the materials. Your risk will be the time and brain power.â€
Chan laughed: “We need to exercise our brains before they get rusty.â€
We had an excellent lunch at their highly popular and successful restaurant.
More on Resonance http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/electric/serres.html#c2
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Resonance in AC circuits implies a special frequency determined by the values of the resistance , capacitance , and inductance . For series resonance the condition of resonance is straightforward and it is characterized by minimum impedance and zero phase. Parallel resonance , which is more common in electronic practice, requires a more careful definition.
The resonance of a series RLC circuit occurs when the inductive and capacitive reactances are equal in magnitude but cancel each other because they are 180 degrees apart in phase. The sharp minimum in impedance which occurs is useful in tuning applications. The sharpness of the minimum depends on the value of R and is characterized by the "Q" of the circuit.
That should help us to choose the values of C and L in our experiments.
Measuring Capacitance and Inductance
Measuring Capacitance is relatively easy. I have a multi-meter that can do it. Measuring Inductance is more complicated. There are a number of suggested methods on the Internet. One can do a google search.
For tuning circuits, the suggestion is to have the value of capacitance matching that of inductance. We shall try that. There will be three inductors â€" one at the secondary coil, one fixed and one variable.
Any one has better ideas?
Converstation with Engineer Chow
Chow: “I shall work on your FLEET. Do you want me to put magnets in between the C cores of your Transformer?â€
Tseung: “Will that add additional complexity in your construction?â€
Chow: “Not really. I shall be winding various wires in the C cores for the experiments. Putting additional magnets on will not add much work.â€
Tseung: “In that case, try the case with no magnets first. We have the option of adding magnets later. At this stage of the research, I do not have all the answers.â€
Self resonating powering circuit for HHO cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru8YQ6HUwbU
The circuit still has a transformer (could be a toroid). This circuit does not need the primary to have a resonance pulsing current from a Pulse Generator. It is self resonating. It is a side-track but worth keeping in mind.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 15, 2010, 01:10:59 AM
Measuring Capacitance and Inductance
Measuring Capacitance is relatively easy. I have a multi-meter that can do it. Measuring Inductance is more complicated. There are a number of suggested methods on the Internet. One can do a google search.
For tuning circuits, the suggestion is to have the value of capacitance matching that of inductance. We shall try that. There will be three inductors â€" one at the secondary coil, one fixed and one variable.
Any one has better ideas?
Measuring AC-resistance of Inductance is also very easy.
So easy as for Capacitance
(so like ohmic resistance)
Gustav Pese
More on the Magnacoaster device
I was made aware that the Magnacoaster device used a “mushroom shaped†oscillating magnetic field. The first magnet has its N pole facing down to the Coil. The second Magnet has its N pole facing up to the Coil. The second magnet has a gap as shown in the figure.
When Pulsed DC current is passed, the Coil will have S pole on top and attracts the First Magnet. At the same time, the Coil will have N pole on bottom and repels the Second Magnet. The magnetic field is thus “A shapedâ€.
This is different from FLEET. I know that the device works because placing a magnet on top of a Coil in the Tong Wheel increased the Output â€" from my own experiments. See reply 72.
The Magnacoaster technology and patent is basically different from FLEET. Both works. Both are motionless.
ltseung888,
Thank you VERY MUCH for doing so much work on this thread and sharing your thoughts and findings to HELP THE WORLD.
.
The field of Motionless Electricity Generators
Let me try to summarize the various techniques related to Motionless Electricity Generators. The basic theory is still the Lead-Out Energy Theory. Energy is not created from nowhere. Energy is Lead-Out from the surrounding via suitable electromagnetic flux changes. The techniques in creating such flux changes include but not limited to the following:
1. DC pulsing of Resonance via LC or LCR circuits. The Resonance Circuit is in the secondary coil of a transformer. The DC pulsing comes from the primary coil. We have been guided by the brilliant work of the late Stanley Meyer.
2. AC pulsing with permanent magnets in the core of a transformer. This was made known to me by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin when he visited Japan a few years ago.
3. The Tom Bearden and Flynn technology as disclosed in their patent and mentioned in reply 5.
4. DC pulsing of a transformer with embedded magnets. The embedded magnets produced sudden changes in the magnetic field. The DC pulsing from the primary coil will produce different (larger) magnetic flux changes in the secondary coil. This effectively amplifies the power by leading out (or bringing-in) electron motion energy from the surrounding.
5. The DC Pulsing can come from a self resonance circuit such as in reply 109 of the Self resonating powering circuit for HHO cell.
6. I believe the Gadgetmail joule thief technique described in his overunity prize entry may have elements of a self resonating circuit.
7. The DC pulsing of a “mushroom shaped†magnetic field as in the Magnacoaster technology. The oscillation in such a field lead-out electron motion energy from the surrounding. They are leading the field with products that can be purchased NOW.
The door is now open for fruitful research into the field of leading out of electron motion energy via electromagnetic flux changes. Funding will start to come. Many researchers will devote their energy and efforts. More positive results will come. Massive funding (creating bubbles) will pour in. There will be a fleet of FLEET devices. There will be consolidation. A few mass produced products will dominate the market. The World order will change.
Extracted from
http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/NdJndt6GnIA-how-to-pulse-stanley-meyer.aspx
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Please read the REALLY SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF A STAN MEYER SYSTEM in the Vancouver Gadgeteers club webpage. Email gadgeteers AT opera+mail DOT com and the Autoreply will give you details and links. You can purchase the DVD from the Vancouver Gadgeteers club or have the club find the frequency for you, for a fee. A Stan Meyer fuel cell won't work unless you can tune it for resonance. The cell is like a tuning fork. The resonant band is relatively narrow.
Interestingly enough, in his quest for the water fuel cell invention Meyer developed an "Electrical Partical Generator" that uses a very small amount of energy to produce a great deal of electrical energy. Cennamo is also doing patent work on the 'EPG' system. But work is still being focused on the fuel cell at this point because it can easily be retrofitted to cars and homes -- before another energy crises arises. ""Eventually, when the EPG system and the water fuel cell are coupled, there will be no limit to what we can do."
The Bob Boyce Hex Controller http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller#Boyce_on_Hex_Controller
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A South African experimenter has modified an electrolysis circuit developed by Bob Boyce so that now it recharges his daughter's electric vehicle riding toy. What makes this remarkable is that the energy is not drawn from the wall but from the environment somehow. He's done this around 35 times now and knows of three replications of the effect by others.
Saw the 4 videos. It confirmed that Bob Boyce and associates did try different load other than the HHO cell. Some programming was required. Such skills and equipment may be beyond the capability of the average garage mechanic. A proper shop environment is needed. Unfortunately, there appeared to be deliberate sabotage. (Or fortunately for the rest of the World, USA “harmed†its innovators again. Stan Meyer was poisoned in 1998. Bob Boyce developed a tumor and was discredited in 2009.)
QuoteAnother VeriChip Found in Inventor's Shoulder - An RFID reader and an X-ray confirm a VeriChip implant in Bob Boyce's shoulder, where a tumor subsequently formed. More witnesses step forward and steps being taken against Bob Potchen, the likely perpetrator of the implant, who also sabotaged Boyce's hydroxy technology. (PESN; Dec. 16, 2009)
I have written my WILL. There will be no regrets when I publish my updated book in both Chinese and English. The Patrick Kelly e-book is excellent. My book will not have the same depth of content. I shall focus much more on the Lead-Out Energy theory. The Tong Wheel and the FLEET will have much higher importance.
If the Hangzhou group has the resources as claimed, China will overtake USA easily if USA keeps “harming†its brilliant innovators! All I need is to give some lectures, talk about Lead-Out, Lead-Out and Lead-Out, help to do some “proof-of-concept†prototypes and do some sightseeing! Much of my research is done here on this forum already. There is little reason in harming or discrediting me. The Tong Wheel has been seen by over 25,000 people and verified by dozens. The theory of FLEET is crystal clear. Similar implementations have been done by Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, Magnacoaster and Gadgetmail. Over 600 inventors from the Hong Kong Invention Association will be exposed to it on March 21, 2010. Many more hundreds can read it on the Internet.
My job as a theoretical physicist is done. It is a matter of encouraging the young and qualified experimenters. Let them shine. Life is fun.
*** MIT has US$4 million funding to do HHO research, competing against them will be more fun. ***
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 16, 2010, 05:56:00 AM
The Tong Wheel and the FLEET will have much higher importance.
On the subject of the FLEET, has anyone cut open the flyback
transformer, LOPT, from an old TV to get at the c cores? It should
be fairly easy if we ruin the coils (and then re-wind them) and
rather more difficuly if we try and save some of them.
Magnacoaster is hiring:
_________________________________________
First - How to apply
Send a Email to jobs@magnacoaster.com. Do not fax or phone ( if you Phone or Fax we will delete your application).
OR
Snail mail to Magnacoaster 500 Fairway Rd. S 23 - 333 Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2C 1X3
First round interviews will be made at the end of March. Only people that have the skill sets required will be called for a interview.
You must not have any heart conditions, pacemakers, heart springs, diebetic conditions, blood ailements, no metal plates, screws or body jewlery because we have high power magnets in this facility. Fitness tests as well as medilcal certificates will be required with a clean bill of health. You must be able to get a security clearance in the future as well if need be. No cell phones or mp3 players as well as all personal property must be left in locker. Clothing will be provided.
Jobs are going to be located in Cambridge near Townline and 401 area.
Dealer Trainer (5 positions)
Train and setup dealers. Pogram is a 5 days long. There will be 5 dealers per round of training and 2 training sessions per month per trainer. We are looking for trainers that can cover all the bases, paper work, site visits, tech. support for both AC and DC power and handtools needed to work with this power. Hands on experience with green power is a must.
Wages TBD.
Dealer Support (20 positions)
Setup dealers and track progress as well as work 1 on 1 with problem solving. Good computer skills good problem solving as well as able to write manuals as needed. We are looking for people that can cover all the bases, paper work, site visits, tech. support for both AC and DC power and handtools needed to work with this power. Hands on experience with green power is a must.
Wages - TBD
Production line workers. (60 positions)
Assemble parts on an assembly line. Use of hand tools as well as power tools. You must be able to work in a fast paced area with the ability to think on your feet. Team player a must. Good hand to eye coordination. Saftey shoes required.
Wages - TBD
Office Staff (5 positions)
Looking for people that can answer phones (inbound), take orders and provide tech support. Good computer skills and the ability to speak clearly. More than one language is a plus.
Wages - TBD
Production Coordinator trainee.
Work for the production coordinator, look after problems on the line, ablity to think on your feet and think outside the box. Good computer skills, orginizational skills, time managment skills and the ability to deal with people.
Wages - TBD
Magnet loaders (5 positions)
You must have big strong hands. You will think on your feet and be able to work under pressure. You need to be able to focus on ONLY your job as this job requires total concentration. You must have machanical understanding and have a grip of no less than 100 lbs. because the magnets are very powerful.
Wages - TBD
Shipping/Receiving Person
Knowlage of outbound loads and packaging for rough shipping as well as dealing with overseas shipping. Must be able to receive inventory, verify contents and log inbound parts. Must have computer skills as well as tow motor licence. Must be a team player and work well under pressure.
Wages - TBD
Assemble Area Forperson
Must have people skills and be up to date on all rules of employment. Computer skills are a must. Will be able to work under pressure and have assembly line experience. Must have time managment skills and be able to problem solve on your feet. Lines will need to have a 90 % rate of output. Look after costs and trim waiste on the line. Deal with all problems directly and have good training skills.
Wages - TBA
Magnet Area Forperson
Must have people skills and be up to date on all rules of employment. Computer skills are a must. Will be able to work under pressure and have assembly line experience. Must have time managment skills and be able to problem solve on your feet. Lines will need to have a 90 % rate of output. Look after costs and trim waiste on the line. Deal with all problems directly and have good training skills. You must have big strong hands and be able to focus on ONLY your job as this job requires total concentration. You must have machanical understanding and have a grip of no less than 100 lbs. because the magnets are very powerful.
Wages - TBA
Electronic Testers (5 positions)
Must be able to understand and use test equipment to messure power output as well as test all aspects of our units looking for shorts and other issues. Skill set is scopes and meters, mesuring amperage and voltage from 12 volts to 2000 volts and have a strong understanding of electricity, electronics and current. Must work under prssure, have good people skills, think on your feet and be a team player. Experience for this job is a must.
Wages - TBA
Electronic Area Forperson
Must have people skills and be up to date on all rules of employment. Computer skills are a must. Will be able to work under pressure and have assembly line experience. Must have time managment skills and be able to problem solve on your feet. Lines will need to have a 90 % rate of output. Look after costs and trim waiste on the line. Deal with all problems directly and have good training skills. Must be able to understand and use test equipment to messure power output as well as test all aspects of our units looking for shorts and other issues. Skill set is scopes and meters, mesuring amperage and voltage from 12 volts to 2000 volts and have a strong understanding of electricity, electronics and current. Must work under prssure, have good people skills, think on your feet and be a team player. Experience for this job is a must.
Wages - TBD
Test Lab / Product Designers (2 positions)
Must be driven to think outside the box. Ability look at problems and find solutions. Must be able to build prototype parts, be experanced using mill machine and lathe, and have a working knowledge of electronics and all test equipment. You will have the ability to setup test peramiters, be a thinker and not afraid to have your experiments fail. You will keep pushing until you find a solution. You must be a team player and be willing to share your knowledge with your co-workers. You will have tinkered with, or have ideas about power production on the outside fringe. Strong electronic skills, circuitry and knowledge of power and power production are essential. Flexable hours as well as a great lab and equipment will be yours if you are the person we are looking for.
Wages - TBD
How to start the FLEET experiments
Get an elementary understanding of the resonance circuit from sources such as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLC_circuit
A series LCR resonance circuit can be produced with the value of L matching that of C. The Resistance R will determine the Q factor. (Go to the above site for more detailed explanation.) If we have an Engineer or an Electronics Professor already familiar with such analysis, the task will be much easier.
This means our experimental steps can be:
1. Choose any suitable dimension and price of Capacitor C.
2. Work out the equivalent Inductance L.
3. The secondary coil will be part of the inductance.
4. Choose a resistance R (say 50 ohms and later tune from 1 to 1K ohms))
5. Determine the resonance frequency (This can be done by circuit analysis.)
6. Confirm by experiment.
7. Send DC Pulsed resonance frequency to the circuit from the primary and check whether the output power is greater than input power via oscilloscopes and/or meters. This will confirm whether energy can be lead-out from the surrounding environment. (The Stan Meyer circuit and others already indicated such possibilities.)
We need to put diodes, variable Inductance or variable capacitor on the secondary coil circuit for tuning. The above steps should minimize the trial and error in experiments.
If this general technique works, we can develop a bank of experimental data for various LCR resonance circuits and their power amplification capabilities. The fleet of FLEET products will come out in no time.
*** @Fatbird, thank you for your information. Magnacoaster is leading the pack. Now instead of "garage type" operations, they are moving into factory production. They need to move fast for their products to have a chance. The fleet of FLEET products are expected to be very price competitive. (Projected to be less than US$300 verse US$4,000 for Magnacoaster!) ***
Paul,
You're must be psychic.
I broke a flyback 3 days ago... took the core and wound a 200 turns with another 15 around that.
With a 1 volt DC square pulse(0 to 1 volt) at resonance (~20 Khz) it produces an AC Sine Wave 15 Volts Peak to Peak.
Diode and regular voltmeter produced 5 volts... l volt or less out of resonance.
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Tseung... You are on the right track...
- Resonance.. Yes
- Square Pulses... Yes
-Magnet inside transformer... Ya, I'm not sure about that.
... I implore you to study Magnetic Domains, Ferro Dipoles, Anistropic Energy
and Magnetic Permeability.
Bottom line is that a transformer is really an electromagnet... where the small Magnetic Field of the coil
is amplified 10,000 times with a Ferro Core !
So, it's kind of hard to turn on and off an electromagnet if there is already a magnet attached to it.
and since the Field of the Core Colapses on it's own "pell mell", a magnet really isn't doing anything different.
That's my point.
Have a Great Day !
The Observer
I made this for my
Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!
Thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg101674#msg101674
This all comes into play.. if you are playing with a Ferro Core Transformer..
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on March 16, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
Paul,
You're must be psychic.
I broke a flyback 3 days ago... took the core and wound a 200 turns with another 15 around that.
With a 1 volt DC square pulse(0 to 1 volt) at resonance (~20 Khz) it produces an AC Sine Wave 15 Volts Peak to Peak.
Diode and regular voltmeter produced 5 volts... l volt or less out of resonance.
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Tseung... You are on the right track...
- Resonance.. Yes
- Square Pulses... Yes
-Magnet inside A... Ya, I'm not sure about that.
... I implore you to study Magnetic Domains, Ferro Dipoles, Anistropic Energy
and Magnetic Permeability.
Bottom line is that a transformer is really an electromagnet... where the small Magnetic Field of the coil
is amplified 10,000 times with a Ferro Core !
So, it's kind of hard to turn on and off an electromagnet if there is already a magnet attached to it.
and since the Field of the Core Colapses on it's own "pell mell", a magnet really isn't doing anything different.
That's my point.
Have a Great Day !
The Observer
Thank you. We shall try without the magnet first. If that produces good results, we shall treat the magnet part as academic exercise for the research students. Matching coil strength and magnet strength will be additional work.
Can you capture the Input and Output waveforms on an oscilloscope? Can your scope display power?
Mr. T.
I composed the following in response to your request for Screen Shots.
I do not have a power setting on my O-Scope.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on March 17, 2010, 02:43:16 PM
Mr. T.
I composed the following in response to your request for Screen Shots.
I do not have a power setting on my O-Scope.
The Observer
Dear Observer,
When you use different turns on the primary and the secondary, you are effectively producing a step up or step down transformer. With 15 turns on the primary and 200 turns on the secondary, you essentially step up the voltage by 200/15 or 13.3 times. That did not demonstrate that energy was lead-out nor overunity.
You can put a 1 ohm resistor in series and measure the voltage across it on the scope. That would indicate the current(V=IR). The voltage and current for Input can be shown at the same time. Repeat that for the Output. We can learn much more. If your scope allows the display of product of two channels, you can effectively display the power (P=IV). The area under the power curve for a given time represents the energy (Energy = Power x Time)
I also have some doubts on the display of the Input Voltage. I expected to see rectangular pulses in the positive direction only. Can you check and explain the display more? Thank you.
We are all learning from your efforts. The World will benefit.
Mr. T
Yes it is a step up transformer.
That is evident from the pulses in first screen shot.
The top Voltage is the Primary...
The bottom Voltage is the Secondary.
However...you say
QuoteI expected to see rectangular pulses in the positive direction only.
You won't see the square wave when it is hooked up to an inductor (or electromagnet).
1. You see the rise time at front end of pulse. (domains lining up to amplify coil's Magnetic Field)
2. You see nothing in middle of pulse. (steady current means no change in Magnetic Field... domains all in 1 direction)
3. You see decay rise time at end of pulse. (this is when the magnetic domains return to random directions)
- a mirror of the front pulse rise time , but from the opposite direction.
When the pulses approach the size of the resonant ring... this is when things add up.
Remember that the secondary ONLY reacts to a changing magnetic field.
Even though Current is flowing through the Primary after the rise time... you will see nothing in the Seconday.Now at Resonance... the primary is an AC sine wave
Not a DC Square wave
...remember the back pulse from the collapsing domains.
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I shall try some power calculations in the near future.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on March 17, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
Mr. T
Yes it is a step up transformer.
That is evident from the pulses in first screen shot.
The top Voltage is the Primary...
The bottom Voltage is the Secondary.
However...you say
You won't see the square A when it is hooked up to an inductor (or electromagnet).
1. You see the rise time at front end of pulse. (domains lining up to amplify coil's A Field)
2. You see nothing in middle of pulse. (steady current means no change in A Field... domains all in 1 direction)
3. You see decay rise time at end of pulse. (this is when the A domains return to random directions)
- a mirror of the front pulse rise time , but from the opposite direction.
When the pulses approach the size of the resonant ring... this is when things add up.
Remember that the secondary ONLY reacts to a changing magnetic field.
Even though Current is flowing through the Primary after the rise time... you will see nothing in the Seconday.
Now at Resonance... the primary is an AC sine A
Not a DC Square wave
...remember the back pulse from the collapsing domains.
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I shall try some power calculations in the near future.
The Observer
Thank you once more, Observer. I do not have my pulse generator for testing yet.
I wonder what would happen if you put another diode in your primary coil circuit? Would that force the DC Pulse in only one direction? If we also put a diode in the secondary coil circuit as in the Stan Meyer diagram, what would happen to the waveforms? The Stan Meyer diagram showed rectangular waveforms in both the primary and secondary circuits.
(That also clarified my understanding of the Magnacoaster patent diagram 1. I thought that they put more diodes than necessary.)
Can you put a LCR resonance circuit in the secondary coil circuit and see what happens?
This here ist the NEXT "NONSENS" Circuit that was attached in Overunity.com.
This is missleading the folk,
and will not help to find the
"serios" side of FE-Search.
In circuit, most diodes
includin them from the
Bridge are in wrong direction
Forget this "inventors",
with his inventions, that
have distribute, this diagrams.
Gustav Pese
Quote from: pese on March 17, 2010, 11:46:33 PM
This here ist the NEXT "NONSENS" A that was attached in Overunity.com.
This is missleading the folk,
and will not help to find the
"serios" side of FE-Search.
In circuit, most diodes
includin them from the
Bridge are in wrong direction
Forget this "inventors",
with his inventions, that
have distribute, this diagrams.
Gustav Pese
Magnacoaster is already selling products. I have a feeling that the "extra diodes" may act as "reflectors" as common in most resonance systems. They did not explain their function in the patent disclosure.
Mr L. T.
Tseung said...
QuoteI wonder what would happen if you put another diode in your primary coil circuit?
I guess I can try that...
I guess there would still be back voltage... just no current flow.
Tseung said....
QuoteCan you put a LCR resonance circuit in the secondary coil circuit and see what happens?
That sounds like a good idea.
Probably need to figure the exact resonance frequency...
to calculate the correct values for C and R in the Secondary.
My guess is that Stan's input was a square wave... that looked like a sine wave at resonance, just as my circuit.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on March 18, 2010, 02:00:50 AM
Tseung said....
That sounds like a good idea.
Probably need to figure the exact resonance frequency...
to calculate the correct values for C and R in the Secondary.
My guess is that Stan's input was a square wave... that looked like a sine wave at resonance, just as my circuit.
The Observer
Try the LCR resonance circuit calculator:
http://www.lautsprechershop.de/tools/index_en.htm?/tools/t_schwingkreis_en.htm
here some GOOD Calculators more:
http://crystalradio.net/professorcoyle/professorcoylecal.shtml
http://calculatoredge.com/index.htm THE "NON PLUS ULTRA" to use for ALL physical Calculations !!
Gustav Pese
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 18, 2010, 12:49:24 AM
Magnacoaster is already selling products. I have a feeling that the "extra diodes" may act as "reflectors" as common in most resonance systems. They did not explain their function in the patent disclosure.
BUT, IF YOU follow the "directions - curred leading sense- of the diodes" YOU will understand (at minimum) that the BRIDGE-diodes, are to shown IN "NONSENSE" function.
If he is selling some (working?) products ..., that THISE HERE ist not the origine (working) circuit. If any guy, wil recontruct this, he will give attention to the diodes (missleading such way)
Gustav Pese
Quote from: pese on March 18, 2010, 05:51:00 AM
BUT, IF YOU follow the "directions - curred leading sense- of the diodes" YOU will understand (at minimum) that the BRIDGE-diodes, are to shown IN "NONSENSE" function.
If he is selling some (working?) products ..., that THISE HERE ist not the origine (working) circuit. If any guy, wil recontruct this, he will give attention to the diodes (missleading such way)
Gustav Pese
Thank you for your sharp eye in spotting the error. Patrick Kelly also spotted the error. He made the following comments and changes on the attached diagram.
It is important not to believe everything on paper â€" even in a patent document. However, I do not believe this error will make their patent invalid. Magnacoaster should be grateful to you for bringing this error up. They have time to correct it in their many “country applicationsâ€.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 18, 2010, 09:40:34 AM
Thank you for your sharp eye in spotting the error. Patrick Kelly also spotted the error. He made the following comments and changes on the attached diagram.
It is important not to believe everything on paper â€" even in a patent document. However, I do not believe this error will make their patent invalid. Magnacoaster should be grateful to you for bringing this error up. They have time to correct it in their many “country applicationsâ€.
tks.
no not sharp eyes(more),
i read only the circuits to understand them.
most are not optimized to reconstruct them easily,
some are realy wrong.
G Pese
Diodes 100a and 100b are still REVERSED. Look close at it and you will see the battery will never get charged the way it is.
In fact, WHY even have the bridge in there? Bridges are only used to convert AC to DC. Diodes 102 and 104 already supply DC.
Hmmmmm, if they can’t get a simple thing like that right, what else is printed WRONG???
.
Could someone please post where we can DOWNLOAD the Magnacoaster patent pages.
Thank you very much.
.
Quote from: FatBird on March 18, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Diodes 100a and 100b are still REVERSED. Look close at it and you will see the battery will never get charged the way it is.
In fact, WHY even have the bridge in there? Bridges are only used to convert AC to DC. Diodes 102 and 104 already supply DC.
Hmmmmm, if they can’t get a simple thing like that right, what else is printed WRONG???
.
Thank you FatBird and Pese,
I always know that we can learn together â€" even from the mistakes of others. We can insult the inventor or help to correct his mistakes. Some mistakes are likely to be typos or clerical. Others may be incorrect assumptions.
I shall be brave and propose the attached diagram. If the recharging of a battery using lead-out energy is that simple, all the electric car designs can change. ;) ;)
Quote from: FatBird on March 18, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Diodes 100a and 100b are still REVERSED. Look close at it and you will see the battery will never get charged the way it is.
In fact, WHY even have the bridge in there? Bridges are only used to convert AC to DC. Diodes 102 and 104 already supply DC.
Hmmmmm, if they can’t get a simple thing like that right, what else is printed WRONG???
.
Yes that is it.
nomal way i can alsi remove diodes 100a 100b 102 and 194 , Only setting the bridge in right way that the polarities shown the RIGHT way to the battery.
It do not need to loss mor than 2 volt in "unneed diodes".
als the 1volt losses in the bridge, you can reduce, with SCHOTTKY diodes. Do not buy. THAKE THEM OUT from your old PC Supplies.
They contains 2 x 35 or 50 Amp Diodes. + (2 diodes in one case.
look like Transistors with 3 leads)
Try it. This is the way to reduce all losses.
IF the circuit will bring you overunity ?
I an not a "typically NOsayer.
So i hope it.
G Pese
The onion skin peeling approach in layers
Each layer reveals more detail.
1. Lead-Out Energy Theory does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2. Gravitational and Electron Motion Energy can be lead-out.
3. Pushing a pendulum at the right time can lead-out gravitational energy.
4. Pulsing a magnetic pendulum at the right frequency can lead-out electromagnetic energy.
5. Technique can be extended from oscillation to vibration, to rotation and flux changes.
6. The energy field can be gravitational, magnetic, electric or electromagnetic.
7. Higher efficiency is available from rotational systems. Pulse rotate magnets and/or electromagnets in a wheel type arrangement can lead-out electron motion energy. This can be confirmed with the Tong Wheel in Hong Kong.
8. Motionless Electricity Generators (MEG) can lead-out electron motion energy based on flux changes. No physical motion is needed. The size of a MEG can be small.
9. DC Pulse from the Primary Coil of a transformer can lead-out electron motion energy from the surrounding to the Secondary Coil of a transformer if that is a resonance circuit.
10. Examples of MEG system information are available from the late Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, etc.
11. MEG product is available NOW from Magnacoaster.
12. There is possibility that FLEET (Forever Leadout Electromagnetic Energy Transformer) can be built from having LCR resonance circuits in the Secondary. The Primary provides the resonance frequency to pulse and lead-out electromagnetic Energy.
13. FLEET will not be patented and any individual or organization with a Pulse Generator, an Oscilloscope, a toroidal transformer, multimeters, capacitors, inductors, resistors, diodes and basic electronic equipment and skills can build a FLEET for demonstration.
14. The starting point can be choosing a capacitor, an inductor, a resistor and use the LCR resonance calculator from the Internet to calculate the resonance frequency. Part of the inductor is the secondary coil of the transformer. The initial test can have equal number of turns in the Primary and Secondary Coils.
15. In the special case of the Stan Meyer HHO water cell, the capacitor is from the plates in the water cell, the resistance is from the electrolyte. The inductance is from the secondary coil, a fixed coil and a variable coil. Some diodes were used ensure DC Pulsing. Brown’s Gas (HHO) is produced in large quantities at resonance when electromagnetic energy is lead-out (or bring-in) from the surrounding.
16. The non-expert but interest individual or organization can purchase MEG products from Magnacoaster for evaluation and testing NOW. There is no need to speculate and doubt the validity of the technology.
17. The technical minded individuals or organizations can build FLEET for experiments. They can compete to produce PRODUCTS now. There is no patent and it is an Open Race. The Market potential is in multi-trillions.
18. The World will see a fleet of FLEET products at low prices in the coming months. The World Energy Crisis will be over. A new World Order will emerge.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Hello All
Sorry to but in. Seems to be a habit of mine these days but I just ran across this thread and wanted to show you guys something I had made a few weeks ago.
In the photo you can see this is just an off the shelf transformer that has a round core with two coil sections having various primary and secondary already on it.
So I had decided to just saw one end of it and then forced open the aperture to fit some neo magnets in between the cut. I think this makes about the same type of coil as on the page 1 of this thread without the hassle of building, plus you get an already known build that must have some published specs somewhere.
The main mistake I made is to stupidly do the cut before I did any preliminary testing with the coil as is, for comparison purposes. But I can say that with a weak pulsing generator, I am getting very very coupling from the other coils. But I cannot compare it so I don't know.
Anyways, it is just to show that if anyone wants to do more testing on this, just find two of these transformers and do the testing. I am working on too many other things right now so again, sorry for the intrusion.
Oh, just to mention that you cut make two cuts on this transformer and have two nice coils for any type of rotating magnet wheels, or putting more magnets from two sides, etc.
wattsup
Quote from: FatBird on March 18, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
Could someone please post where we can DOWNLOAD the Magnacoaster patent pages.
Thank you very much.
.
See reply 64
Is it just me or do others see a SIMILARITY between the Magnacoaster and Floyd Sweet’s Overunity Device?
1. BOTH use a Coil between 2 Magnets.
2. BOTH produce an output that’s overunity.
Here is a good site about Sweet’s device:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vta.htm
.
Quote from: FatBird on March 19, 2010, 09:37:26 AM
Is it just me or do others see a SIMILARITY between the Magnacoaster and Floyd Sweet’s Overunity Device?
1. BOTH use a A between 2 Magnets.
2. BOTH produce an output that’s overunity.
Here is a good site about Sweet’s device:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vta.htm
.
The lower magnet of the Magnacoaster arrangement has different polarity and has an air gap. A mushroom shaped magnetic field was produced.
The research gets more interesting. We can have different arrangements to lead-out electron motion energy. There will be a fleet of FLEETs. We encourage anyone or organization to experiment and produce their own FLEET. Do not wait to copy or replicate. Many LCR resonance circuits can be developed.
Presentation at the Hong Kong Invention Association on March 21, 2010
Inventor 1 : “I like the new approach. Pulse PC at resonance frequency from the Primary to the resonance circuit in the Secondary. This is much better than the Tong Wheel.â€
Inventor 2: “You could have saved much time and resources if you thought of this first.â€
Inventor 1 laughed: “This is the fun and the torture of inventing. One never knows when the right inspiration comes. “
Tseung: “Do you think you will participate in the research and development of FLEET?â€
Inventor 2: “What do you want us to do exactly?â€
Tseung: “Get the right equipment as followis:
1. Oscilloscopes
2. Multimeters that can meaure capacitance
3. Inductance meter
4. Diodes
5. Toroidal Transformer with 2 equal windings
6. 3 capacitors with different values (from 1 microfarads to 10 nicrofarads.
7. A variable inductor that can vary from 0 millihenry to 20 millihenry.
8. 5 Resistors from 1 ohm to 100 ohm. Get more 1 ohm resistors.â€
Inventor 1: “These are all ready-made components from the electronics stores. Do we need to build anything?â€
Tseung: “No. You just need to connect them up with wires and test. The test is to confirm whether Pulsing DC at the resonance frequency from the Primary can lead out electromagnetic energy to the Secondary consisting of a LCR resonance circuit. In other words, can COP be achieved in a general case.â€
Inventor 2: “Can you spell out the exact stelps?â€
Tseung: “The steps are:
1. Measure the inductance value of the Secondarry Coil in the toroidal transformer.
2. Select the first capcitor, and the first resistor.
3. Use the LCR calculator from the Internet to calculate the expected frequency from the three values in 1 and 2.
4. Connect the circuit as in the Stan Meyer diagram or the diagram shown.
5. Put Oscilloscopes on the Input and Output to measure the wave forms of the voltage and the current (voltage across a one ohm resistor connected in series). The Power can then be displayed and/or calculated.
6. Compare the Input Power and the Output Power. Is COP greater than 1?
7. Vary the Input Pulse frequency to determine whether the best result is obtained.
8. Vary the variable inductor value to determine whether the best result is obtained.
9. Record the values. Note the COP value in all cases.
10. Repeat steps 2-9 with a second and a third value of the capacitor.
11. Repeat steps 2-10 with different values of resistors.
12. Determine whether the general theory of â€" Pulsing DC at resonance frequency from the Primary can lead-out electromagnetic energy to the Secondary consisting of a resonance circuit.â€
Inventor 1: “ When you have the equipment ready and everything hooked up, I shall not mind spending an afternoon taking some readings or double checking some results.â€
Inventor 3: “I happen to have space available. You are welcome to use it for free.â€
Inventor 2: “Give us an estimate of the total material cost. We may be able to help. Some of us already have oscilloscopes, multimeters etc. We do not mind loaning them to you for short periods to do the experiments.â€
Inventor 4 “I am associated with Universities in Hong Kong and China. Do you mind if I pass the information to the Electrical Engineering Departments there? They should have all the equipment already. They also have research students eager to learn and participate.â€
Tseung: “This is for the benefit of the whole World. Please pass the information to as many groups or organizations as possible. They are free to publish papers or produce products.â€
Inventor 5: “We can use the name of the A Invention Association when we publish the experimental results. That will boost the image of our Association.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 21, 2010, 09:40:02 PM
Presentation at the Hong Kong Invention Association on March 21, 2010
Inventor 1 : “I like the new approach. Pulse PC at resonance frequency from the Primary to the resonance circuit in the Secondary..."
This is an odd way of putting it. I presume you agree that we
pulse the primary circuit at its resonance. The core will then
deliver this frequency to the secondary coil which will then
drive that circuit. This second circuit must be designed to
have the same resonant frequency as the first.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 22, 2010, 07:01:54 AM
This is an odd way of putting it. I presume you agree that we
pulse the primary circuit at its resonance. The core will then
deliver this frequency to the secondary coil which will then
drive that circuit. This second circuit must be designed to
have the same resonant frequency as the first.
Dear Paul-R,
If you look at my FLEET diagram or the Stan Meyer circuit, the important circuit is the Secondary. The load (resistor or the Water fuel cell capacitor) is in the Secondary Coil Circuit. Our experimental set up is focused on the LCR resonance circuit in the Secondary Coil Circuit. The Secondary Coil in the transformer is in itself an inductor!
The Primary Coil Circuit is mainly the Pulse Generator that can be set to any frequency.
Hello all,
Although I do believe Resonance is a Key Factor in trying to lead out energy from a transformer,
I figured out a way that the primary of a transformer would not be aware of the secondary.
D
------- %---------|<1-----
% |
L--> % $ <---R Rise time of Primary
% $ ___|__ _____
% | | | | |
-------- %------------------ ________| |_____________| |
|
Decay time of RL Secondary
Here's how it works. 1. Pulse in Primary at rise time for circuit.
2. No current flows in Secondary as diode is blocking at this time.
3. When Primary is off... Back pulse from Collapsing Core then allowed through Secondary R.
Thus a Transformer who's Primary is not aware of the load on the Secondary !
Am I the first person to figure this out?
The Observer
Good Points The Observer.
Here is something that is not being discussed. Check in his Patent Application where he says that when the Coil is pulsed, the result is an Echo Ringing of several Pulses. In other words, several Pulses Out for every pulse in. That's why he has a Bridge in the output circuit.
BUT, the thing that PUZZLES me is that it says the frequency is only 80 to 600 pulses per MINUTE. That is ONLY 1 to 10 Pulses per SECOND (Hertz)!!!!
So is that a mis-print or what??????
.
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 22, 2010, 09:31:48 AM
The Primary Coil Circuit is mainly the Pulse Generator that can be set to any frequency.
Surely, the primary frequency induces the SAME into the secondary.
We must choose a frequency for the primary that we can live with for the
secondary, the load cuircuit.
Quote from: FatBird on March 22, 2010, 10:49:24 AM
Good Points The Observer.
Here is something that is not being discussed. Check in his Patent Application where he says that when the coil is pulsed, the result is an Echo Ringing of several Pulses. In other words, several Pulses Out for every pulse in. That's why he has a Bridge in the output circuit.
BUT, the thing that PUZZLES me is that it says the frequency is only 80 to 600 pulses per MINUTE. That is ONLY 1 to 10 Pulses per SECOND (Hertz)!!!!
I believe that the Magnacoaster device works differently from the Stan Meyer device. The echoing from the mushroom shaped magnetic field may indeed have a different frequency from the Input.
In that case, a very low frequency may be correct. (Our Tong Wheel rotates at approximately 100 rev per minute. That is 1.6 rev per second. At that rate, the number of pulses per second is about 20.)
When I have the actual Magnacoaster product to test, I shall have something concrete to report.
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My name is Hanson David I’m 27 years old and live in Belgium (Brussels).
I feel honored to be able to send you a message as sooner or later I’m convinced your name will be in each teaching book around the globe Sir.
I also want to say thank you for what you do, thank you for your priceless advices. You are taking mankind’s hands to help us walk towards a bright, prosperous and peaceful future we all deserve.
Until now I’ve been a passive Overunity.com reader for years now and read the forum every day without any comments.
Today I decided to start in and help this community by doing research and testing myself (I have to say this is definitely thanks to your work).
I have no big experience in the field but my aptitude to learn fast, my ingenuity and my obstinate behavior will certainly help obtaining good results.
I called my mentor, Erich Van Hulle a 63 years old retired nuclear engineer to propose him to work at my home on a educational project to duplicate, research and perhaps enhance the Tong Wheel and he gracefully accepted. He has a great experience in radio waves and designed some components we all use every day in electronic devices.
We have all the necessary tools and measurements instruments and are able to work with high quality materials and can design the device with high precision.
We are not looking for monetary contribution; our work is purely for educational purposes.
I found some documents describing the Tong wheel but they don’t provide complete details of it (sizes, position of magnets, electrical circuits etc.).
Do you have any detailed blueprint of a working Tong wheel device? I would rather spend my time and money on improvements instead of doing the same trial and error someone else did and fixed already.
I hope I can be helpful in your research and hope you can help us obtain those precious informations.
Dear Mr. Hanson David,
I believe your research will be more fruitful working on FLEET. The thread “Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets†provides much good information.
Please post in the forum so that we can all learn together. Thank you.
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Hi,
I saw your comments on Magnocoaster and Stan Meyers. Testing on both those inventors devices has shown them not to work. In the case of Mognocoaster he is knowingly perpetuating a fraud.
Mark Snoswell.
I do not appreciate such personal mails. Slanderous statements without any supporting evidence will be ignored. :-\ :-\ :-\
Quote from: FatBird on March 18, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Diodes 100a and 100b are still REVERSED. Look close at it and you will see the battery will never get charged the way it is.
In fact, WHY even have the bridge in there? Bridges are only used to convert AC to DC. Diodes 102 and 104 already supply DC.
Hmmmmm, if they can’t get a simple thing like that right, what else is printed WRONG???
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I'm fairly lost on all this but I had thought maybe when I saw the extra bridges in the magnacoaster patent that they might have something to do with not destroying the dipole that Beardon refers to. On the other hand I barely have a grasp on that so it could be they just put those in the patent to confuse people to prevent easy replication.
Quote from: wattsup on March 19, 2010, 01:16:32 AM
Hello All
< snip ..
The main mistake I made is to stupidly do the cut before I did any preliminary testing with the coil as is, for comparison purposes. But I can say that with a weak pulsing generator, I am getting very very coupling from the other coils. But I cannot compare it so I don't know.
wattsup
Referring to your statement above "getting very very coupling" it sounds like you left out a word. Sorry I can guess 'little', 'great', 'no', 'excellent' but they all have vastly different meanings of course. Can you say what seems to have been left out (typo I assume) if I'm not totally misunderstanding here. TIA
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 24, 2010, 07:50:49 AM
Someone sent this personal message
I do not appreciate such personal mails. Slanderous statements without any supporting evidence will be ignored. :-\ :-\ :-\
Dr. Mark Snoswell is very reputable and has a very keen mind. He is correct about Magnacoaster. A personal Friend of mine tested the device, with the inventor. Said inventor stole friend's controller and another piece of electronic equipment. Not very reputable. Said unit does not work as advertised. Sorry.
Dr. Snoswell has also personally seen "real" working devices, some of which I have personel knowledge of.
He is a "genuine" researcher with more credability than most that I have met. He was trying to point you away from misdirection is all.
Again, I hate to insert myself into these things, but I have personal knowledge of some of these matters.
Have a good day,
Bruce
Magnacoaster is a fraud?.....then why the warranty?
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/181134205
Looks like they put quite an effort in getting this off the ground and for what...an elaborate hoax?
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 24, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
Dr. Mark Snoswell is very reputable and has a very keen mind. He is correct about Magnacoaster. A personal Friend of mine tested the device, with the inventor. Said inventor stole friend's controller and another piece of electronic equipment. Not very reputable. Said unit does not work as advertised. Sorry.
Dr. Snoswell has also personally seen "real" working devices, some of which I have personel knowledge of.
He is a "genuine" researcher with more credability than most that I have met. He was trying to point you away from misdirection is all.
Again, I hate to insert myself into these things, but I have personal knowledge of some of these matters.
Have a good day,
Dear Bruce_TPU,
Thank you for your good information.
I have the Tong Wheel that can be confirmed to produce overunity results available for verification in Hong Kong. I have done the experiments in reply 72. Those experiments confirmed that presence of permanent magnets close to electromagnetic coils acting as Collector Coils could indeed affect the magnetic flux. Greater Output Power can be observed and measured.
The arrangement in reply 72 is simple. However, it hinted to the feasibility of the Magnacoaster device. I shall reserve judgment on the Magnacoaster device as I shall have one to work with myself within the next few weeks.
I shall have a Stanley Meyer type HHO generator type car to examine in China. It is supposed to be working now. The development of that generator was via the late Yull Brown approach. I met Mr. Brown and saw his experiments with my own eyes. His generator was a China-made Brown’s Gas Generator. I posted the information on the Internet. You can do a google search â€" keyword “Lawrence Tseung Yull Brownâ€.
The crowning glory will be FLEET. The principle is sending Pulse DC via the Primary Coil of a transformer to the Secondary Coil. The Secondary Coil is part of a resonance circuit. The frequency of the Pulse is the resonance frequency.
Three independent groups in Hong Kong/Shenzhen got promising results but refused to share the information with the World now, as they are in the product design stages. There is no patent protection available for FLEET. The Stanley Meyer circuit is simply an example of such an arrangement.
I shall have my own space and loaned equipment from the Hong Kong Invention Association members in the coming weeks. I do not mind sharing my results. I have received comments and insults that the Tong wheel could never work (see the Lee Tseung Lead-Out Energy theory thread). I also failed numerous times with 6 different groups before getting the overunity result. Tuning for resonance is a very painstaking and painful job. It took me a few weeks to tune the Tong Wheel. Should I believe the debunkers, on-lookers, failed experimenters or insulters?
Or should I believe in the Lead-Out Energy Theory and the successful, repeatable but hard-to-obtain experimental results?
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 23, 2010, 01:59:47 AM
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Just received a phone call from Wall Street Asia. They confirmed interest in our invention and planned to have experts to check out the Tong Wheel. The Tong Wheel is also in Wan Chai, Hong Kong - a few streets away from their Office.
I believe after examination from their experts and published in the Wall Street Journal Asia, the Tong Wheel will have the credibility.
We plan to have a version of FLEET ready at the same time. Life is fun with such welcome pressure. :D
An early Easter Message
The curtains in the apartment had mold on them. That could be dangerous to health. I took them to a Commercial Laundromat as the home washing machine is too small. I tried one curtain first. The owner said that she had seen such molded curtains before. Some got cleaned with no problems. Others came out winkled and torn. I said, “Give it a try.†I have not done it before and just hoped for the best.
The next day, I got the bad news. The curtain sheet had elements of plastic and melted in the drying process. The Laundromat workers took it out while it was wet to prevent further damage. It was a failed experiment.
I then called a friend who was trained as a professional home cleaner. She said, “You can get rid of the mold with household bleach. Just make sure that you thoroughly wash it afterwards.†I poured some bleach on a piece of cloth and started rubbing the mold. The mold came off and the sheet looked very white. I was delighted and rubbed more. I thought that it was a success.
After about 5 minutes rubbing, I felt pain in my hands. Apparently, I suffered a small cut due to the rubbing and the bleach acted directly on the flesh. I thoroughly washed my hands and was about to give up.
Then I read the post that someone remarked that the Magnacoaster and Stanley Meyer devices did not work. According to the Lead-Out Energy Theory and the preliminary proof-of-concept experiments, they MUST work.
I then put on thick rubber gloves and used a tooth brush dipped in the bleach to rub the mold. It was a slow, painstaking and painful task. However, it worked. I do not need to buy new curtains!
The Easter message is â€" the Professionals in establishments do not know everything. They can be wrong. (Just like the patent offices and established scientists). Someone much less qualified may give the correct advice but they may not spell out every detail (just like the posts on the Internet). The actual experiments may not be successful in the first try. One must persevere, examine the evidence and modify the procedures. When the final successful result is demonstrated, many others will say â€" it is easy and obvious. (just like the Stan Meyer circuit or the FLEET devices).
To the overunity device inventors: The Lead-Out Energy Theory says that if energy can be led-out (or drawn-in) from the surrounding, there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. Your device may be a form of Lead-Out Energy Machine. Do not get dejected and give up. Be prepared to modify and improve your set up or techniques. Success is only around the corner.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 24, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
Dr. Mark Snoswell is very reputable and has a very keen mind. He is correct about Magnacoaster...
...but what did he say about Stan Meyer?
Quote from: Paul-R on March 26, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
...but what did he say about Stan Meyer?
I have never spoken to Dr. Mark Snoswell about Stan Meyer. I do know one thing... Stan Meyer was never "poisoned" and that is a terrible internet, urban legend, that distresses his family everytime they hear it. That much I do know.
More on Magnacoaster Sterling Allan rated them as Number 7 in his top 10 list.
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Magnacoaster Motor Company, Inc. of Canada claims to have an over-unity generator they call "Vorktex" that produces electric power without using fuel.
The crux of the design is a solid state system that involves some very high-powered permanent magnets and some specially-wound coils, along with some proprietary circuitry. The coils are immersed in a dielectric oil that is pumped through the system to prevent arcing between the coils from the high voltages and frequencies that otherwise create plasmas that destroy the coils. A lead acid battery bank serves both as the input and the output. The unit has to be shielded or it broadcasts EMF.
I believe that they still need to perfect the technique of adjusting the Power to external load. The energy generated might be too much and required continuous pumping of dielectric oil. I believe Sterling Allan checked them out and interviewed them. In the interview, they mentioned that their device would increase in frequency, voltage and current. It was similar to echoing and drawing energy from the surrounding. I would use the term â€" lead-out or draw-in electron motion energy from the surrounding. I would not dismiss them as hoax at this point as I shall have one of their units to work with in the coming weeks.
It will be fun to compete with them with one of the FLEET products.
Progress on Fleet at the Hong Kong Invention Association
Tseung: “Thank you for coming on a Saturday. Many of you have jobs on weekdays. This is an entirely voluntary project and I appreciate your involvement. I do not mind if you only work on weekends, loan your equipment on short periods, contribute only a few dollars or just come and cheer. I already claimed success on the theoretical front.â€
Cheng: “My space is over 8,000 square feet rented from the Hong Kong Government for non-profit uses. It is not decorated. I intend to host a free exhibition for the inventions from the Hong Kong Invention Association in the coming weeks. There may be space for permanent exhibits if needed.â€
Chan: “My factory owner friends in China are willing to help in whatever way they can. They will supply toroidal transformers of different sizes initially. They will participate in the product design and production when ready.â€
Yung: “I do not mind sourcing the various components and doing the experiments with guidance. I have much to learn.â€
Tseung: “Remember that we shall publish the results in the name of the Hong Kong Invention Association to benefit the World. Some of you will find commercial value and may want to keep certain results confidential until you have products to sell. I respect that. So please tell me only the results that you are willing to share with the World.â€
Yung: “Will there be dangers involved? I can see obvious military applications with FLEET.â€
Tseung: “Lee Cheung Kin is working with the Chinese Military. He will pass our findings. However, it will be a one-way street. If he accidentally leaked confidential information from the other side, both he and us will be in trouble. So please be careful. Do not try to extract information from him!â€
Chan: “This FLEET project is like the pulled pendulum. There is no secret once you explained it. Now you are saying that electron motion energy can be led-out via pulsing at the resonance frequency of many LCR resonance circuits. The statement is reasonable and self evident. It points to the right direction of research. I see no danger.â€
Yung: “Was Stan Meyer poisoned? Did his device work?â€
Cheng: “I am also working with another group in China on a fuelless car. The research results are promising. It is a hot topic at present. There is much information on the Internet.â€
Tseung: “When you have your own research results on DC Pulsing to a resonance circuit, you will know for sure. You will get help from a number of HKIA members. Some of them are skeptics. If you are scared and find the project dangerous, withdraw. I do not mind the danger myself because my life is practically over.â€
Chan laughed: “I can see your point. It is better to die gloriously doing something worthwhile to benefit the World than to walk to your grave in comfort. I feel the same way. My children have grown up. It is time for me to enjoy my life as I see fit. There is always danger in life. Even crossing a busy street in Hong Kong has its dangers.â€
Yung: “I just want to know the answer. It is killing me â€" the theory is far too simple. A pulled pendulum can lead-out gravitational energy. A DC pulsed resonance circuit can lead out electron motion energy. Count me in. In the worst case, there will be one more dead body.â€
Conversation with a Skeptic Inventor
Skeptic: “Do you think a couple of poor inventors in Hong Kong could compete against institutions such as MIT. In your post, you stated that they already received US$4 million working on similar projects?â€
Tseung: “I believe that you said that the Tong Wheel would never work at one time.â€
Skeptic: “That was a totally different story. Your Tong Wheel can only generate 2-3 watts. It has no practical value.â€
Tseung: “You played with it. You measured the Input and the Output power yourself.â€
Skeptic: “The meters may not be correct with their RMS values. The oscilloscope waveforms are more convincing but I am no expert in reading them. You could be fooling me. It is like a doctor showing me an X-ray of my chest. I just had to trust him. But we shall not discuss history. Let us focus on FLEET.â€
Tseung: “In the theoretical understanding, you can imagine that the transformer core is made up of many tinny magnets vibrating or oscillating together. If we can use the right push or pulse on a pendulum to lead out gravitational energy, we should be able to pulse these tiny magnets to lead-out electron motion energy.â€
Skeptic: “Is that the reason for using DC Pulses?â€
Tseung: “DC Pulses have been shown to work on the Stan Meyer and Bob Boyce prototypes? We do not need to flip the tiny magnets around.â€
Skeptic: “You cannot believe anything on the Internet. As you stated, there were debunkers, agents from Big Oil and stupid non-scientists.â€
Tseung: “That is why I use the Hong Kong Invention Association Members to do a totally independent FLEET experiment. It is entirely voluntary. Some people may find it fun and educational.â€
Skeptic: “It took you five years to get the Tong Wheel prototype working. Would it take you another ten years to get FLEET working? We do not have the patience and you may not have that many years to wait?â€
Tseung: “In the field of innovative inventions, it is impossible to estimate the experimental time. It could be a week, a month or ten years. That is the fun and the torture of inventing.â€
Skeptic: “I shall come again after your FLEET experiments are successful. Meanwhile I shall not waste my time. You can torture others but not me!â€
The Sterling Allan 10 most exotic Free Energy technologies
The PowerPoint presentation can be downloaded from Peswiki.com for free using the keyword “Earth Transformationâ€
It looks like Mr. Allan is focusing on Motionless Electricity Generators. There are four items:
1. ERR FLUXGenerator from Dr. James Schwartz
3. Boy Boyce Hex Controller
4. Bob Boyce Electrolyzer
7. Magnacoaster Vorktex device
All the above four devices use magnets, coils and resonance. FLEET spells out the theory in greater detail: We can Lead-Out gravitational energy from pushing the pendulum at the right frequency. We should be able to lead-out electron motion energy from the many tiny magnets at the appropriate resonance frequency.
Hey Tsueng,
I have recently studied the Joule Thief and concluded it shows some startling results.
No wonder it's so popular !
It is a basic Blocking Oscillator with a diode attached.
Back pulses from a collapsing Iron Core Inductor provides hefty pulses.
The Back Pulse is the free energy part of the system since an absence of current is what sets it off.
(note... I would put a Diode across the inductor to retrieve the Back Pulse)
In other words...After the inductor is charged....
The core is magnet.
When current stops flowing in the inductor...
The core collapses back to a random state (random pointing domains) via Anisotropic Energy.
It is the Anisotropic Energy that provides the huge back pulse !
Ole Pirate lit 400 LEDs with one 1.5 Volt Battery !
I find that pretty interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVvdCovYDY
This circuit effectively creates a square wave transformer circuit since the inductor is suddenly cut off to produce the Back Pulse.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on March 29, 2010, 11:32:05 AM
Hey Tseung,
I have recently studied the Joule Thief and concluded it shows some startling results.
No wonder it's so popular !
It is a basic Blocking Oscillator with a diode attached.
Back pulses from a collapsing Iron Core Inductor provides hefty pulses.
The Back Pulse is the free energy part of the system since an absence of current is what sets it off.
(note... I would put a Diode across the inductor to retrieve the Back Pulse)
In other words...After the inductor is charged....
The core is magnet.
When current stops flowing in the inductor...
The core collapses back to a random state (random pointing domains) via Anisotropic Energy.
It is the Anisotropic Energy that provides the huge back pulse !
Ole Pirate lit 400 LEDs with one 1.5 Volt Battery !
I find that pretty interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVvdCovYDY
This circuit effectively creates a square wave A circuit since the inductor is suddenly cut off to produce the Back Pulse.
The Observer
Dear Observer,
I have not studied the Joule Thief circuit until you brought it up. It also has a toroid. I believe some type of echoing or resonance effect may be taking place in addition to “Back pulses from a collapsing Iron Core Inductor provides hefty pulses.†If that were the case, our understanding will be more complete.
The Gadget device described in the overunity prize submission is based on the Joule Thief or its variations.
We can already mathematically PROVE that a horizontal force applied to a Pendulum can lead out gravitational energy. For small angles, the ratio is 2 parts horizontal energy leading-out 1 part of vertical gravitational energy. That is equivalent to an output/Input ratio of 1.5. (The ratio is even higher if the force were always tangential).
If a mechanical pendulum can lead-out gravitational energy, a magnetic pendulum MUST be able to lead out magnetic energy. The DC Pulsing of a resonance circuit is nothing more than pushing the tiny magnets or dipoles at the appropriate resonance frequency. Electron motion is led-out or drawn-in. The Lead-Out Energy Theory is just that simple!
Thus all overunity devices based on this principle can be thought of as Lead-Out Energy Machines. The Joule Thief circuit is another good example.
It is self-resonant without the need to provide the external pulsing source.Rasa is in Hangzhou and should have all the equipment necessary to experiment with FLEET. His team will try to determine whether the general statement is true:
DC Pulsing from the Primary can lead-out (or draw-in) energy to the Secondary Coil of a A. The Secondary Coil is part of a resonance circuit. The HKIA team will still need time to get organized. Multiple resonance circuits will be tried. Specific results such as those from Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce etc. have provided positive confirmation. We are seeking the more general result.
My prediction is that the general result will be proven correct. We can develop FLEET on multiple LCR resonance circuits. A fleet of FLEETs will result
Making a Joule Thief
http://www.bigclive.com/joule.htm
The Joule Thief will drain the last drop of electrical power from a battery. It looks like a self resonant circuit. However, there is no continuous pulsing to lead-out electron motion energy. Focusing on FLEET is more productive.
Yes Resonance can lead out Electron Energy... but so can a sudden drop in voltage across a ferro core inductor.
When the current is suddenly cut off...
You are left with a MAGNET INSIDE A COIL.
This Magnet (the ferro core), on it's own accord, with it's own energy... collapses into itself.
When it does this.... it produces a pulse in the coil.
The energy for this pulse comes from the Quantum Energy that makes the ferro domains collapse.
AKA.... Anisotropic Energy.
Can you see why I say the back pulse is the free energy?
The Observer
Howdy ltseung888,
Nice progress on a motionless electric generator. I too am making a transformer with embedded NIB (N52s) Magnets. There is only a small amount of iron in my core, and it is open ended. This is the bare core...
Here is the wound polar core. There is also a equatorial coil (planar coil). I am hitting this coil with low voltage AC (~6VAC) and I get about 5X out (1:5 winding ratio), so ~30VAC. I hadn't thought about using pulsed DC. It is good to see that there are other people out there seriously pursuing this concept. Nice job on hooking up with the transformer manufacturer...
Here is the test board. The circuit board is a sinewave generator and Bi-Amped Power Amplifier...
A must read reference
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf
Patrick Kelly has done it again. The explanation there is very clear. He explained my inventions better than me!
LT,
Patrick Kelly does not know what he is talking about... when it comes to your inventions.
You should probably let him know that a sine wave and square wave are two different 'balls of wax'
from the perspective of a transformer.
(otherwise known as a fancy electromagnet).
The Observer
Hello all,
@The Observer
yes, this is a picture when a square wave hitts a coil with MOSFETs connected in a classical way.
Thanks, very nice picture.
Otto
Patent by Kwang-jeek Lee of Korea
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf
On page 3-64 of the Patrick Kelly eBook shown above, he described the invention by Dr. Kwang-Jeek Lee of Korea. The US patent application is 2008/0297134. The title is: Circuit for Transmitting Amplified Resonant Power to Load.
We are trying to experiment to determine whether we can DC Pulse the Primary Coil of a Transformer to lead-out electron motion energy to the Secondary Coil. The Secondary Coil is a resonance circuit. Our load can be a resistor, a light bulb, a motor, a capacitor, a HHO cell etc as part of the resonance circuit.
It looks like similar experiments have already been done by Dr. Kwang-jeek Lee. He basically put a resonance circuit between the Power Source and any Load. It is good news for me as the Lead-Out Energy theory is once more confirmed. It is bad news for some of the “product manufacturers†as they may have to deal with this patent. At present, the patent is only an application. The US Patent Application date is 12 April, 2008.
In any case, we shall continue to have fun doing the research and benefiting the World. The pressure to produce experimental results is off. The focus will shift to a good educational course on Lead-Out Energy! ;)
Quote from: The Observer on March 31, 2010, 12:33:10 AM
LT,
Patrick Kelly does not know what he is talking about... when it comes to your inventions.
You should probably let him know that a sine wave and square wave are two different 'balls of wax'
from the perspective of a A.
(otherwise known as a fancy electromagnet).
The Observer
Thank you Observer and Otto.
I shall have a Pulse Generator and an Oscilloscope to experiment in the next few days.
Thank you for pointing out the waveform that I should expect.
Patrick was trying to show my theoretical concept:
Whe we have diodes on both the Primary and the Secondary side to force the Pulse to be DC, the magnitude of the current will be affected in different ways. The rectangular input waveform from the signal generator may not be seen as such on the scope.
I believe the Stanley Meyer diagram also show such conceptual waveforms.
LT,
Good luck with your new experimental equipment.
The Observer
Hello all,
@Itseung
if you allow just a short one:
if you want that your device uses the benefits of "mother earth" then you have to connect your MOSFET ot transistor( if you use 1 or more) in a high side switch manner. If not, then its enough to connect in a classical way.
Otto
Testing Equipment for HKIA Quote from: The Observer on March 31, 2010, 02:45:50 AM
LT,
Good luck with your new experimental equipment.
The Observer
Inventor 1: “I made a trip to Shenzhen yesterday and I bought all the equipment necessary for the FLEET experiment. They may not be perfect. We can always make another trip to get more or exchange. All the more expensive items have 1 year warranty.â€
Inventor 2: “I thought that your trip was just a price checking trip. Why did you buy the equipment without a proper meeting?â€
Inventor 1: “Our initial estimate for such equipment was from RMB5,000 to RMB10,000. I bought everything for less than RMB1,500 (less than USD200). I do not want to waste time.â€
Tseung: “ Can you list the major items for us?â€
Inventor 1: “Here is the breakdown:
1. Pulse Generator RMB600
2. Oscilloscope 650
3. LCR Multimeter 180
4. Toroidal Transformer 70
5. Copper wire 60
6. Diodes 20
7. Capacitors 40
8. Resistors 20
9. Misc. (wires, clips, etc) 50
Total RMB1,490â€
Tseung: “I think you made the right decision. It is well under our initial estimate. I am sure all the other participating member will not question your judgment now that they can start playing with it over the Easter Holidays.â€
Inventor 2: “I agree. We shall have some fun over Easter. I can practically guarantee that you will have some solid experimental results for the Wall Street Journal Asia before April 9, 2010.â€
Quote from: The Observer on March 31, 2010, 12:33:10 AM
You should probably let him know that a sine wave and square wave are two different 'balls of wax'
I think you'll find that Patrick is O.K. on this.
To put meaning to your scope shots, you need to tell us your scope settings.
and resolution in Mhz. They look a bit like Bedini spikes on a crap instrument.
Paul,
Well the meaning of my scope shot is a square wave well out of resonance and the respective input and output voltages.
I was confused about this at one point...
So I think it is important that people understand how a transformer works.
Can you believe people still talk about the core of transformer CONDUCTING a magnetic field ?
When it really amplifies a magnetic field by means of rotating it's own self contained magnetic field.
If you ask me... putting is sine wave into a transformer is like riding a bike with your brakes on !
A square wave allows one to see what is really going on and make informed decisions like...
The square wave should be the length as the rise time for highest effeciency of power transfer,
Or the rest time should be the length of the decay time of the inductor and secondary resistance.
Of course putting the whole thing into resonance is where the real meat is at.
Refer to diagram.
The Observer
Concept of self resonant circuit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru8YQ6HUwbU&feature=channel
I have not started on understanding and experimenting with transistors yet. However, the use of a self resonant circuit that eliminates the need for tuning is appealing.
Comparing the Kwang-Jeek LEE approach and FLEET
In the FLEET approach as described so far, we put the Load in a resonance A. The resonance circuit is part of the Secondary Coil Circuit of a transformer. The Resonance Pulse (or some sub-multiple) is applied at the Primary.
In the Lee approach, the resonance circuit is in the Primary Coil. The resonant power is the Q factor times the Supplied Power. Typical value of Q can be 10 or more. This resonant power is supplied to the Load in the Secondary. See diagram.
My gut feel is that both would lead-out electron motion energy. Both should work. The Lee technique may be easier to tune as the Load can be considered later. Lee also pointed out that AC can be used. The World Energy Crisis is theoretically over.
More on the Kwang-Jeek LEE Resonant Circuit
From the Patent Information, Lee et al must have done many experiments. He also supplied a good deal of theoretical information. Our experimental task will now be greatly simplified. I do not need to worry about whether the supplied voltage is AC or DC. (Both are acceptable.) I do not have to worry about serial or parallel resonance (Both are acceptable.) I do not need to worry about transformer type (different types are acceptable.)
The only thing I can add is that the energy is from Leading-out (or drawing-in) of electron motion energy from the surrounding environment. The Lee system can be improved to provide self-loop. It may also be improved to do load-following. Once these improvements are added, almost any electrical appliance can use lead-out energy via resonance. There are no moving parts and the size of the device can be very small.
I have to accept that Dr. Kwang-Jeek LEE beat me on this one. I only thought up to having resonance circuit on the Secondary. (I am sure that I can think of resonance on the Primary sooner or later especially with help from the Forum members.) Dr. Lee already filed patents on having resonance circuit on the Primary. He also tabled some experimental results. Congratulations and Salute to a great Inventor.
I do not think that “Big Oil†or other “Evil Parties†will murder him now. The implementation is far too simple. (I am now absolutely sure that the three Hong Kong/Shenzhen groups who are on their way to producing products experimented with resonant circuits and got promising results.) A fleet of FLEET or Dr. Lee Resonance devices will appear in the Market soon. There will be no stopping this time. I am sure that the Hangzhou group and the HKIA groups will be successful in their experiments too. How difficult is it to show that Output Power is greater than Input Power in a resonant circuit environment when you have the right equipment and expertise.
His invention is much more general than those from Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, Sweet Floyd etc. The required parts can be purchased at less than RMB1,500 or USD200. When mass produced, the price will drop much further. Dr. Lee will gain (and deserve) fame and fortune. The World will benefit.
Meeting with Mr. Chu
Chu: “I saw your invention at the Hong Kong Convention Center. I have been thinking about it for weeks. Now I decide to come and have another look.â€
Dr. Wong: “What is your interest in this invention?â€
Chu: “I am retired now. I used to own a watch factory. Later, I sell Physics experimental apparatus to the School Systems. The Tong Wheel is extremely unusual. I want to see for myself that the Output Power is indeed greater than the Input Power. My friends and colleagues all told me that it was not possible. It had to be a mistake.â€
Dr. Wong: “You have to unlearn your classical ideas. Try to learn as a three year old with a clean sheet. Otherwise you will be wasting time.â€
Chu: “I would like to do the experiment myself. I shall trace all the connections and convince myself that there could not be a mistake. I do not want to sell something stupid to the School Systems.â€
Chu then worked on the Tong Wheel including misaligned it so that no overunity effect was observed. He then retuned the wheel to get overunity effect again.â€
Chu: “I am convinced now. I would like to participate.â€
Dr. Wong: “Join the Institute of Energy of Hong Kong. We have monthly meetings. You can learn much more than the Tong Wheel.â€
That Kwang - Jeek Lee Circuit above reminds me of the Donald Smith Circuit I found, and have posted below.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf
https://secure.netsolhost.com/nuenergy.org/product_catalog.htm
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+smith+tesla&aq=f
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The Tariel Kapanadze Device
If we examine the Tariel Kapanadze device carefully, we find a resonance circuit from the secondary of a Testa Coil to the Primary of the Isolation Transformer. The pulsing and the adjusting for resonance is done via the Spark Gap.
Once we accept the Lead-Out Energy Theory, we know that electron motion energy can be Led-out (or drawn-in) from the environment. The technique is also pulsing at the resonance frequency. This setup uses mechanical means to tune for resonance via the Spark Gap.
The required parts are not very expensive and the device can be manufactured in mass production fashion for USD600. It can be considered as a form of FLEET. (Forever Leadout Electromagnetic Energy Transformer)
Quote from: FatBird on April 01, 2010, 08:52:12 AM
That Kwang - Jeek Lee A above reminds me of the Donald Smith Circuit I found, and have posted below.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf
https://secure.netsolhost.com/nuenergy.org/product_catalog.htm
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+smith+tesla&aq=f
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Dear FatBird,
Thank you for drawing our attention to the Dan Smith Circuit. He also uses resonance on the "source" side.
Summary of what we have learned so far
1. If we can lead-out (or draw-in) energy from the surrounding, we do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2. Mathematically, we can prove that a horizontal pull of a pendulum does lead-out gravitational energy.
3. For small angles, approximately two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical (gravitational) energy.
4. If we replace the mechanical pendulum with a magnetic pendulum, we can lead-out magnetic energy.
5. Magnetic energy is due to the rotation of the electrons. Leading-out magnetic energy is equivalent to leading-out electron motion energy.
6. There is constant exchange of gravitational and electron motion energy in the universe. Any drain of such energy from our Lead-Out Energy Machines will be quickly replenished by such exchanges. Thus, a Lead-Out Energy Machine can run cool.
7. We can extend the concept from oscillation to vibration, rotating and flux changes.
8. In Motionless Electricity Generators (MEG), we rely on flux changes. Electron Motion Energy can be led-out via pulsing at the resonance frequency.
9. Some MEGs use pulsing at the Power Source. The resonance circuit is in the Primary. Examples include Kwang-Jeek Lee, Tariel Kapanadze and Don Smith.
10. Some MEGs use resonance circuit at the Secondary. The Load is part of the resonance circuit. Examples include Stan Meyer and Bob Boyce.
11. The tuning for resonance can be done in different ways. These ways include manually adjusting a spark gap, adjusting the Pulsing frequency of a Pulse Generator, self resonant circuits and using variable inductors or capacitors.
12. Programmed load-following techniques are conceivable. If loopback techniques are perfected, a Lead-out Energy Machine will need only starting energy. The discussion of Coefficient of Performance (COP) will be meaningless. The focus will be on how much actual output power the machine can generate without burning out its compenent parts.
13. It is conceivable that pulsing at the right frequency (resonance frequency or submultiples) of ANY resonance circuit can lead-out electron motion energy.
The lead-out energy appears to be pollution-free, almost inexhaustible, available anytime and anywhere. The components needed to build such Lead-Out Energy Machines appear to be inexpensive costing in the region of a few hundred USD. Battery charging units can be purchased from Magnacoaster from USD4,200+ now. (Rasa has already ordered a unit. That should be available for testing within weeks.)
A number of groups worldwide are putting their information on the Internet. These include Newman, Bedini, Searl, Magnacoaster, Wang, Boyce, Kapanadze, Don Smith, Tseung etc. Some groups prefer to remain confidential. These include many Government establishments and some Companies on their way to product production.
The most likely research in the coming weeks from Tseung et al is in the direction of: Pulsing LCR resonant circuits to see whether output power can be greater than input power. Is this a general principle? Pushing a swing at the right time leads-out gravitational energy. Will pulsing a LCR resonant circuit at the resonant frequency lead-out electron motion energy?
Others can build products guided by the indisputable Lead-Out Energy Theory and the experimental results available now (and more in the coming weeks). A fleet of FLEETs will come out to benefit the World.
The HKIA group Photo on March 21
Just some of the HKIA members who heard the FLEET presentation.
It is getting impossible for "evil parties" to murder all those who understand FLEET. The information is spreading faster than wild fire.
Hints of a coming FLEET product
Mr. ALan Li, a factory owner in Shenzhen, may introduce a FLEET product soon.
He paid HK$120,000 for a demonstration Tong Wheel (on the table) and set up an eight person research team to develop Lead-Out Energy Machines in October 2009.
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 01, 2010, 08:36:00 PM
Will pulsing a LCR resonant circuit at the resonant frequency lead-out electron motion energy?
I don't think so. It will make that circuit run at its most efficient.
We need to check out Tom bearden's words on what he calls
"regauging" energy.
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 01, 2010, 08:36:00 PM
Summary of what we have learned so far
1. If we can lead-out (or draw-in) energy from the surrounding, we do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2. Mathematically, we can prove that a horizontal pull of a pendulum does lead-out gravitational energy.
3. For small angles, approximately two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical (gravitational) energy.
4. If we replace the mechanical pendulum with a magnetic pendulum, we can lead-out magnetic energy.
5. Magnetic energy is due to the rotation of the electrons. Leading-out magnetic energy is equivalent to leading-out electron motion energy.
6. There is constant exchange of gravitational and electron motion energy in the universe. Any drain of such energy from our Lead-Out Energy Machines will be quickly replenished by such exchanges. Thus, a Lead-Out Energy Machine can run cool.
7. We can extend the concept from oscillation to vibration, rotating and flux changes.
8. In Motionless Electricity Generators (MEG), we rely on flux changes. Electron Motion Energy can be led-out via pulsing at the resonance frequency.
9. Some MEGs use pulsing at the Power Source. The resonance circuit is in the Primary. Examples include Kwang-Jeek Lee, Tariel Kapanadze and Don Smith.
10. Some MEGs use resonance circuit at the Secondary. The Load is part of the resonance circuit. Examples include Stan Meyer and Bob Boyce.
11. The tuning for resonance can be done in different ways. These ways include manually adjusting a spark gap, adjusting the Pulsing frequency of a Pulse Generator, self resonant circuits and using variable inductors or capacitors.
12. Programmed load-following techniques are conceivable. If loopback techniques are perfected, a Lead-out Energy Machine will need only starting energy. The discussion of Coefficient of Performance (COP) will be meaningless. The focus will be on how much actual output power the machine can generate without burning out its compenent parts.
13. It is conceivable that pulsing at the right frequency (resonance frequency or submultiples) of ANY resonance circuit can lead-out electron motion energy.
The lead-out energy appears to be pollution-free, almost inexhaustible, available anytime and anywhere. The components needed to build such Lead-Out Energy Machines appear to be inexpensive costing in the region of a few hundred USD. Battery charging units can be purchased from Magnacoaster from USD4,200+ now. (Rasa has already ordered a unit. That should be available for testing within weeks.)
A number of groups worldwide are putting their information on the Internet. These include Newman, Bedini, Searl, Magnacoaster, Wang, Boyce, Kapanadze, Don Smith, Tseung etc. Some groups prefer to remain confidential. These include many Government establishments and some Companies on their way to product production.
The most likely research in the coming weeks from Tseung et al is in the direction of: Pulsing LCR resonant circuits to see whether output power can be greater than input power. Is this a general principle? Pushing a swing at the right time leads-out gravitational energy. Will pulsing a LCR resonant circuit at the resonant frequency lead-out electron motion energy?
Others can build products guided by the indisputable Lead-Out Energy Theory and the experimental results available now (and more in the coming weeks). A fleet of FLEETs will come out to benefit the World.
I like your #13. Especially the "sub multiples" part. Think more like pulsing harmonics or subharmonics and you may be closer. But then you need to know what primary frequency to pulse at, and that would tend to be a frequency of a magnetic standing wave. Then design that which is being pulsed to receive said wave, say a magnetic tuned loop antenna and then you are nearly in TPU land.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 02, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
I like your #13. Especially the "sub multiples" part. Think more like pulsing harmonics or subharmonics and you may be closer. But then you need to know what primary frequency to pulse at, and that would tend to be a frequency of a magnetic standing wave. Then design that which is being pulsed to receive said wave, say a magnetic tuned loop antenna and then you are nearly in TPU land.
Cheers,
Bruce
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-3.html#post90090
Quote from: Paul-R on April 02, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
I don't think so. It will make that circuit run at its most efficient.
We need to check out Tom bearden's words on what he calls
"regauging" energy.
Dear Paul-R,
Now you do not have to think. You do not even need to try to understand Tom Bearden’s writings. Go straight for the experiments. I did some experiments with my new “toys†â€" Pulse Generators, oscilloscopes, toroidal transformer, diodes, capacitors, resistors, multimeters etc. The result confirms the theory extremely well.
Pulsing a resonant circuit indeed could lead-out electron motion energy. I shall publish the detail results and confirm them with multiple experts. Anyone with USD300 spare cash can repeat or do similar experiments. Those in Shenzhen can buy at the “wholesale Price†electronic stores and may even have some change on USD200.
I have been warned by my other inventor friends not to go out and expose myself to possible danger. No dining out. No crossing the streets. No visits from strangers. Triple lock the doors. Publish the experimental results and let hundreds verify them first. Make sure the “evil parties†have no way to murder hundreds or thousands of inventors or replicators. This will also give time for some of them to finish their product development.
The theory is far too simple â€" just pulse a resonant circuit appropriately, you will get more Output Power than Input Power. My biggest difficulty was to learn how to “use the new toysâ€!
Paul-R, Observer, Mags and others with Pulse Generators, Oscilloscopes, toroidal transformers etc, DO the experiment now. Select a series LCR circuit and place it either on the Primary or the Secondary side of the toroidal transformer. Pulse at the resonance frequency and compare the INPUT and OUTPUT power. Your independent research and results will benefit the World. (The “evil parties†will have many more inventors to kill. I shall be safer!) :D :D
The FLEET experiments by Lawrence Tseung Part 1
The main test equipments are as follows:
1. A Victor 2002 Pulse Generator that can generate 5 types of waveforms. The maximum is 2mHz and 20 V peak-to-peak. The internal resistance is 50 ohms. This means the external resistance will affect the achievable peak Voltage.
2. A Victor LCR meter that can read Inductance, Capacitance and Resistance. I was happy to get the meter because that simplifies the experiments considerably. Both items 1 and 2 were purchased from Baolilai Electronic Tools Co. Ltd at è³½æ ¼å»£å ´ Room 1111, in Shenzhen. Phone Number: 0755-83775543. The cost was RMB600 and RMB180 respectively.
3. The Toroidal Transformer from Yongchang Zhixin Electronic Col Ltd. for RMB70. Their address is in same building Room B003, Phone Number : 0755-61242198. The toroidal transformer was supposed to be used to convert 220V to 12 AC and rated at 100 watts. The red leads are connected to the 220 side. There are four blue leads. Blue 1 and 2 leads connect to a coil representing 12V. Blue 3 and 4 connect to another coil representing 12V. For our purpose, we use Blue 1, 2 and Blue 3, 4 as a one-to-one transformer and ignore the Red Coil.
The preliminary results show that we can indeed do the following:
1. Send AC Pulses of different waveforms to the Secondary Coil as a one-to-one toroidal transformer. The multimeter at the Secondary picked up the signals and displayed them correctly.
2. Put a Diode in the Primary Circuit. The multimeter at the Secondary picked up the signal as AC with double the frequency. This was expected as Pulsed DC will generate AC in the Secondary.
3. Put a Diode in the Secondary Circuit. The multimeter at the Secondary picked up the signal as DC. Half wave rectification was effectively used.
4. Varying the frequency of the Signal Generator does change the voltage reading on the Secondary.
I stopped experiment 1 at this point to take a rest (and to celebrate success). More to follow.
We borrowed an oscilloscope and a multimeter that can display waveforms.
Will take sometime to master them.
Good to see you experimenting, Lawrence! Great Job!
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 03, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Good to see you experimenting, Lawrence! Great Job!
Cheers,
To me, a theoretical physicist, experimenting is a painstaking and painful job! For example, when I used my finger as the pulsing source, I got very tired fingers. The act was a joke amongst many. When I advanced to timer control, the laughter was somewhat less.
I still have not mastered the various button and features on the oscilloscope and the multimeter with waveform yet. Some of the readings did not make sense. I still could not save the waveforms to the computer for analysis and print out yet.
The consolation is that â€" it took me 5 years to find Mr. Tong Po Chi to build the primitive Tong Wheel. The nay sayers have a difficult time disputing that scientific evidence. Even after the prototype was built, it took us many weeks of tuning to get to the overunity condition. I do not expect conclusive experimental results with FLEET in a few days. My learning curve and lack of skill in electronics will be major stumbling blocks. My daughter pitied me on using magnifying glasses to read the small prints on the Instruction Manuals. I kept forgetting the functions and how to push the right buttons to achieve a particular result.
That was not too surprising. I still have not mastered all the functions on my mobile phone. I have used the mobile phone for over 10 years and I still could not send SMS messages!
I hoped that other HKIA members will take the lead in the experiments. At present, they will only work on weekends.
Please do not have too high an expectation as far as experiments are concerned. There will likely be flops and glaring errors. The saving grace is that many other researchers have reported positive results â€" Bob Boyce, Don Smith, Tariel Kapanadze etc. The progress of Lead-out Energy does not depend on Lawrence Tseung alone.
FLEET experiment on April 4, 2010
Yung: “I admire your clarity of thought. I do not admire you because of your physique, your looks or your manners. In fact, I would not recommend you to appear on TV yourself. You should find a spokesperson.â€
Tseung: “Thank you for your frank remarks. Let us focus on the experiment. We shall first do an experimental check of resonance on a series LCR resonance circuit with the values shown on the diagram?â€
Yung: “Why are we using AC?â€
Tseung: “We want to check out whether Electron Motion Energy can be Lead-Out via pulsing at the resonance frequency. The theory does not require AC or DC. We shall experiment with AC first as it is the easiest. The waveforms will not be distorted.â€
Yung: “Should we check on resonance on the Primary Circuit first?â€
Tseung: “In the Primary Circuit, there is the Pulse Generator. I do not know anything about the internal workings and characteristics of the Pulse Generator. The Secondary Circuit is much simpler. It is effectively an Inductor (coil), capacitor and resistor. We shall place the multimeter across the resistor first.â€
Yung: “This is what is meant by clarity of thought. It inspires confidence. Even if the experimental results are different from expected, we all learn. What is your expected experimental result?â€
Tseung: “I would expect the peak-to-peak voltage to change with frequency. Ideally, we should display both the AC Voltage and the AC current on the scope and calculate the AC power. However, I have not mastered the workings of the borrowed A yet.â€
Yung: “Do it one step at a time. We are learning in front of the World.â€
My latest experiment.
The Double Joule Thief uses a capacitor to capture output and feed a second Joule Thief.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on April 04, 2010, 01:09:03 AM
My latest experiment.
The Double Joule Thief uses a A to capture output and feed a second Joule Thief.
The Observer
Observer, that is brilliant. You do not need a Pulse Generator to demonstrate "FLEET". I am sure that careful measurement will reveal that Output greater than Input. There may be need to adjust some LCR values. A self resonant circuit amplifies and feeds another self resonant circuit.
Continue your line of research. Is FLEET easy? ;) ;)
Experiment with Yung and Lee
Mr. Lee is another member of HKIA. He has a toilet seat invention that will automatically get sterilized or cleaned after every use. That is ideal in a hospital environment and will cut down possible cross-infection. He came to watch Yung and Tseung do the FLEET experiment.
Yung: “Welcome to our experiments. I am learning myself. It does appear that the Output Peak-to-Peak Voltage varies with Input frequency. We kept the Input Peak-to Peak Voltage fixed. It is a one-to-one transformer. The traditional understanding is that the voltage should be the same as n=1.â€
Lee: “I saw the big Tong Wheel. It can demonstrate overunity. Can this small device do that?â€
Tseung: “That is the purpose of this series of experiments. So far, the results are encouraging. They are not conclusive yet. But they pointed to the right direction.â€
The diagram is the experimental setup. Varying the frequency from the Pulse Generator does affect the Output peak-to-peak voltage as seen on the Multimeter. We need to repeat that on the Oscilloscope and display the current waveform at the same time. Time to rest and another small celebration!
(I believe the three Hong Kong/Shenzhen groups with experts in Oscilloscopes did similar experiments and decided that they did not need more theory. They started on product development already.)
LT,
Thanks for the compliment.
An LCR circuit after the second JT tuned to those small resonant pulses may have an interesting effect.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on April 04, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
LT,
Thanks for the compliment.
An LCR circuit after the second JT tuned to those small resonant pulses may have an interesting effect.
The Observer
Dear Observer,
I have a gut feel that if you Loopback the Output of the second JT to the Source Battery, it will recharge it. In effect, you might have produced a battery recharging circuit. A low battery may act as your supply battery and recharge itself from the Lead-Out Energy via the resonant Joule Thieves. There may still be enough juice left to light some LEDs.
Try it and claim the overunity prize! Donate 10% to any charity of your choice. If you prefer, donate to Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. Your hard work will be rewarded. This may be your personal FLEET. You are the first to openly post your findings. You may be able to get investment to produce products. The World will benefit. Life is fun!
LT,
You said...
QuoteI have a gut feel that if you Loopback the Output of the second JT to the Source Battery, it will recharge it.
In effect, you might have produced a battery recharging circuit.
A low battery may act as your supply battery and recharge itself from the Lead-Out Energy via the resonant Joule Thieves.
There may still be enough juice left to light some LEDs.
1. I'm pretty sure a battery could be charged with the resonant DC ring.
2. Could also switch between a couple batteries.
3. Yep.. a few LEDs hooked up to prove work can be done would be good.
4. Hooking up an LC oscillator to the resonant ring (tuned to ring) is probably going give an output with a better chance of OU.
5. A Larger resistance in the Second JT should make pulses closer together... if they touch.. then possibly Super Resonance !
My OU prize will be paid when cars don't burn oil & coal plants are obsolete.
The Observer
Experimental results on April 4, 2010
The Pulse Generator generating sine wave was used.
Control experiments are done first.
The first control is to check characteristics fo Pulse Generator with Multimeter that can display waveforms.
Control Experiment 2
Check readings with Secondary Coil Open. Not connected to anything.
Control Experiment 3
Checking Output. It appears that the loss across the transformer is small.
The first important experiment.
With a LCR resonance circuit at the Secondary, the measured peak-to-peak Voltage changes considerably, The peak appears to be around 15,000Hz. That is very different from the expected 1863Hz.
This may be due to the very different actual Inductance value when we use a transformer. This will need more research.
The article submitted to Wall Street Journal Asia for the Innovation Award 2010.
It is in two files as this forum does not allow file size larger than 300KB.
Explaining the Double Joule Thief in terms of Lead-Out Energy Theory
Wang: “Why are you so optimistic about the Double Joule Thief?â€
Tseung: “The Double Joule Thief has elements of amplification and resonance. Both are good medium for Lead-out energy.â€
Wang: “Can you try to explain the Double Joule Thief in terms of the Lead-out energy theory? The explanation may not be perfect or even theoretically correct. However, it could help simple folks like me to get a better understanding.â€
Tseung: “I shall try. The explanation may not be scientifically correct. The analogy is for the purpose of understanding.â€
Let us focus on the various elements:
1. The Toroidal Coil. From the outside, it looks like a 1:1 transformer with the two coils joined at the top. The two coils are wound on the same ferrite core. Thus the magnetic flux at the core will affect both Coils.
2. The Transistor. The transistor provides an amplifier function and a pulse DC function. The current through the arrowed path will be on and off depending on the characteristics of the transistor.
3. The 33K resistor limits the amount of current that can flow through the transistor on that path.
4. In the first Joule Thief, the 1.5 battery supplies current to both coils of the toroidal coil. The amount of current on the RHS is expected to be larger as that part has less resistance. The amplification property of the transistor also plays a part.
5. The two coils will be subjected to Pulsed DC. My analogy is pushing a pendulum to lead-out energy. The Pulsed DC will lead-out (or draw-in) additional electron-motion energy from the environment.
6. Thus the Output should be greater than Input. The Output from the first Joule Thief now acts as Input to the Second Joule Thief.
7. I do not expect much resonance in the first Joule Thief. There is a battery acting as a block or a damper.
8. On the Second Joule Thief, resonance can play an important role. The 470K resistor helps to divert more current to Output. The LHS of the second Joule Thief is effectively a LCR resonance circuit. The pulsing can be tuned to act in phase with this resonant circuit. I believe Observer did something to that effect.
That is my explanation from the point of the Lead-Out Energy Theory. That should explain why a double Joule Thief might be better because of the better resonance characteristics.
The high pulsing voltage reported by Observer should be able to recharge the 1.5V battery easily. I shall discuss that aspect in a different posting.
Tseung,
Good explanation.
1. I believe resonance is set up because some of the battery's electrons can escape to the second JT.
2. The dynamic between that... and the LCR circuit formed by the second JT and the Cap... must provide the interesting Resonant Pulse.
3. It is possible that we are looking at ferromagnetic resonance.
A good Experiment with a simple transformer would involve...
1. Finding out the Ferromagnetic Resonance of the core.
2. Tuning the Primary to that frequency.
3. Tuning the Secondary with load to same frequency.
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Also making a small HHO cell as a load
to run off the Double JT or other experiments
might be useful in observing true energy output.
Stan Meyer probably walked down this path at one point.
The Observer
Is the Joule Thief an Overunity device?
Wang: “Is the Joule Thief an Overunity device? Pirate (Bill) lit 400 A with one 1.5 Volt Battery !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVvdCovYDYâ€
Tseung: “The question is too general. It is similar to asking whether the Tong Wheel is an overunity device.â€
Wang: “That is a question you can answer. You have played with the Tong Wheel for months now.â€
Tseung: “The Tong Wheel can be configured to show overunity effects. Much tuning was gone in to find a demonstrable setup. I believe a similar statement will apply to the Joule Thief.â€
Wang: “Observer believed that the Double Joule Thief setup may be easier to demonstrate OU. I think he is right.â€
Quote from: The Observer on April 06, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
Tseung,
Good explanation.
1. I believe resonance is set up because some of the battery's electrons can escape to the second JT.
2. The dynamic between that... and the LCR circuit formed by the second JT and the Cap... must provide the interesting Resonant Pulse.
3. It is possible that we are looking at ferromagnetic resonance.
A good Experiment would involve
1. Finding out the Ferromagnetic Resonance of the core.
2. Tuning the Primary to that frequency.
3. Tuning the Secondary with load to same frequency.
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Also making a small HHO cell as a load
to run off the Double JT or other experiments
might be useful in observing true energy output.
Stan Meyer probably walked down this path at one point.
The Observer
Dear Observer,
I think that we still have much exploring and researching to do. My experiments so far indicated that there is indeed a resonance phenomenon at the secondary circuit of the toroidal transformer. However it is very different from the calculated LCR resonance frequency.
Your suggestion that there may be ferromagnetic resonance is good. However, when I changed the resistor or capacitor values, the resonance shape and value changed. I still do not have a clear picture yet.
Can you propose or even work on a (double) joule thief charger? That will be a convincing and potentially profitable venture. I am even thinking about developing it as a battery charger for the electric cars of today.
LT,
I will give this a try.
I am going to be busy for a bit though.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on April 06, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
LT,
I will give this a try.
I am going to be busy for a bit though.
The Observer
Joule Thief Charger Video on the Internet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUqrGLrPnso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgfBWgoxy0A
Dear Observer,
I found these two videos via a google search on “joule thief chargerâ€. Hope that helps.
Is the Joule Thief a Lead-Out Energy device?
The best analogy is with the pulse pushed pendulum (diagram below). One winding of the toroidal coil provides pulsing. The other winding extracts energy. Lead-Out electron-motion energy will be available even if the pulsing frequency is NOT at the resonance frequency.
With any non-resonant pulsing, the analogy is pushing the pendulum at the wrong time. The amplitude of the swing may not go higher or the lead-out energy into the system will not be at its optimum.
This may explain why the Joule Thief is easier to build and demonstrate compared with the Stan Meyer Circuit or the Bob Boyce Hex Controller. Energy is extracted as soon as the pulsing starts. The extracted energy contains both supplied energy and lead-out energy!
Hope this provides a much clearer conceptual picture.
The Gadgetmail Overunity Heater
Cheung: “It is a pity that Gadgetmail got cancer and did not pursue his OU prize entry. His work was based on the Joule Thief. You are now discussing the Joule Thief in this thread.â€
Tseung: “Would you like to pick up where Gadgetmail left off? You can always donate or share the prize money with Gadgetmail. The extra income and encouragement will help him.â€
Cheung: “I may consider that. Here is his circuit diagram. Can you explain it with your Lead-out energy theory to give us a clear understanding? Do you think that he already achieved OU? Or do you think you can do better with the Double Joule Thief technique from Observer?â€
Explaining the Gadgetmail circuit from the Lead-Out Energy theory
The Primary Side is a LCR resonance circuit. The Secondary Side is also a LCR resonance circuit. The transistor provides Pulsed DC. We know from our own experiments that the toroid will play a part in the resonance (ferromagnetic resonance).
I believe that the Gadgetmail device involves a careful selection and balance (and some luck) to get a good amplification of power via appropriate resonance. Blindly building a device from the values in the circuit diagram may not achieve the correct result. Physical dimensions and the toroid properties will affect result. (So would other additional circuit elements.)
Be prepared to tune. It may be a good idea to have tunable capacitors, inductors and resistors during the test stages. That may help to cut down the trial and error swapping time. Hope the diagrams and explanations help.
It is clear to me that the groups in Hong Kong/Shenzhen managed to get some resonance results that could demonstrate overunity. It was much hardwork â€" painstaking and painful experiments. No wonder that they did not want to share the results until they have products on the market.
Comments on explanation
Cheung: “I love your explanations. You broke the Gadgetmail circuit into two LCR resonance circuits. Your lead-out energy theory states that pulsing at the resonance frequency can lead-out electron-motion energy. That appears to be confirmed. The study should now be on exactly what type of resonance we are talking about.â€
Lee: “The frequency is NOT the standard LCR A frequency. It is not the ferromagnetic frequency of the toroid. The evident so far is that presence of LCR resonance circuits appear to create a resonance environment. The present technique is to examine the waveforms and show that resonant behavior does occur when we have pulsing LCR circuits.â€
Cheung: “That is already a helpful light in the dark. The waveforms can help to determine the existence of resonance and increase in Output energy.â€
Lee: “That is the difficulty of overunity research from day one. What is the resonance condition and how to get to it? Many researchers found certain conditions. Others have difficulty in replicating them because the replication conditions were not identical. Loading a successful resonant situation with test equipment or extra electronics could change that successful resonant situation. That is why it is so easy to debunk the overunity inventions.â€
Tseung: “I think the Hong Kong/Shenzhen groups are doing the thing correctly this time. They can determine the conditions exactly and then mass produce actual products in a strictly controlled environment. There is no need for replicators to confirm success. For example, many worked on the Joule Thief. Many achieved success in prolonging the battery life. Few can produce results such as Bill â€" lighting 400 LEDs.â€
Cheung: “Now that I understand it is a resonance behavior, I shall not feel too bad if the first results do not show overunity. It took you a couple of weeks tuning the Tong Wheel before achieving the overunity demonstration condition. I am prepared for many hours of tuning with the Gadgetmail heater.â€
Lee: “Are you going to share the results with the World? Or will you manufacture products like the others first?â€
Cheung: “I don’t know yet. I have not even started on the experiments. There are pressures in life. My wife wants financial security. I need to take care of my aging parents. We shall see.â€
Tseung: “It does not matter to me. If you produce products, the World will benefit. You and your love ones deserve to get benefits too.â€
lets think out of the box!
if we turn the coil or coils and magnets into some kind of resonance. lets turn it into an oscillator,
and not something we are trying to resonate from some some external source. the only input is a voltage, a feedback source, and an on/off switch. Its easier to work with higher freq. because the
components become smaller. Remember a n oscillator has a method of feedback which is out of phase with the input ,say 90 degrees and that is enough to sustain oscillations. and dont forget that resonance occures when xL=xc
Quote from: bille on April 09, 2010, 04:20:48 AM
lets think out of the box!
if we turn the coil or coils and magnets into some kind of resonance. lets turn it into an oscillator,
and not something we are trying to resonate from some some external source. the only input is a voltage, a feedback source, and an on/off switch. Its easier to work with higher freq. because the
components become smaller. Remember an oscillator has a method of feedback which is out of phase with the input ,say 90 degrees and that is enough to sustain oscillations. and dont forget that resonance occurs when xL=xc
This is intriguing stuff. You have in mind feedback from the secondary to the primary, presumably having kicked the thing off with an external supply which gets disconnected.
Don't forget that this is essentially a power device; it should be heating our homes next winter. And so the dimensions and components need to bear in mind the amps.
Please help me with this idea!
I have two black boxes out there.
Input-------------> #1-------> #2-------Output------/
^-------------------------------------------/
The energy around us goes into box #1, say one unit and that energy goes into box #2.
1 unit . That one unit of energy goes back to the input, 1 unit. Where do I find the free energy to collect more free energy.
Thankyou
Bille
Quote from: bille on April 10, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Please A with this idea!
I have two black boxes out there.
Input-------------> #1-------> #2-------Output------/
^-------------------------------------------/
The energy around us goes into box #1, say one unit and that energy goes into box #2.
1 unit . That one unit of energy goes back to the input, 1 unit. Where do I find the free energy to collect more free energy.
Thankyou
Bille
Please read the first attached file in reply 214. Focus on Figure 1 and Figure 2.
Hi FLEET admirals,
Just a little story...
I have built a (slightly modified) Gadgetmail's joule thief circuit.
It works. It can light the 4 leds while charging a secondary bat.
I swapped the input bat and the output bat and could (almost) recover the
initial configuration (batteries voltages-wise) but during this time
the leds were lighted.
Is it 'OU'? I dunno. It should be about 99% efficient.
I will made a web page with my measurements.
*BUT*
I have not been able to reproduce this circuit! My own setup.
It simply does not work.
Yes, the 4 leds are lighting but when I plug in the charging bat they
turn off and the charging effect does not appear.
With the first building I should have stumbled upon some resonance effect.
*SO*
Please don't be upset if you do not succeed to reproduce any (claimed) OU device
and do not too quickly accuse the inventor of fraud...
You, perhaps, just not (momentally) have the MOJO.
My new Motto: OU Needs MOJO !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo)
Very Best
Quote from: NerzhDishual on April 11, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
Hi FLEET admirals,
Just a little story...
I have built a (slightly modified) Gadgetmail's joule thief circuit.
It works. It can light the 4 A while charging a secondary bat.
I swapped the input bat and the output bat and could (almost) recover the
initial configuration (batteries voltages-wise) but during this time
the leds were lighted.
Is it 'OU'? I dunno. It should be about 99% efficient.
I will made a web page with my measurements.
*BUT*
I have not been able to reproduce this circuit! My own setup.
It simply does not work.
Yes, the 4 leds are A but when I A the charging bat they
turn off and the charging effect does not appear.
With the first building I should have stumbled upon some resonance effect.
*SO*
Please don't be upset if you do not succeed to reproduce any (claimed) OU device
and do not too quickly accuse the inventor of fraud...
You, perhaps, just not (momentally) have the MOJO.
Very Best
Hunting for resonance effect is not always easy. I took two teams to buy the same components on Saturady to build the basic Joule Thief. The Shenzhen team achieved success within a couple of minutes. The Hong Kong team is still stuggling.
They have the same components - transistor, resistance, LEDs, Toroidal core and wires. The Training video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAqGKt64WM&feature=fvst
The suggested approach is - provide a working Joule thief with the same components. Have additional components as DIY kit.
The HKIA team just reported success. They did not solder the parts as in the video. They connected everything via clips. In that environment, they needed 2 batteries to light the LED. They expect that when they got ride of the extra unnecessary wiring, they can use one battery.
Yes! I think your right.
A little mojo is required.
But here's an idea.
Maybe the circuit is marginal, in ith respect that when you add the battery to be charged is placed in the circuit it creates additional loading on the transformer. the result could be that the oscillator
ceases to copitulate(stops working) The result is the transistor stays turned on all the time and the leds never come on. You could try replacing the 2n2222 and the other thing might be to reference
the base and protect it during the negative swing. you could use say a in914 from ground to the base. make it so it conducts on the negative cycle, cathode to the base.
I dont know if you were looking for feedback or not, but iwas trying to help without being a smart ass.
Good luck
BE
Quote from: bille on April 12, 2010, 12:38:32 AM
Yes! I think your right.
A little mojo is required.
But here's an idea.
Maybe the circuit is marginal, in ith respect that when you add the battery to be charged is placed in the circuit it creates additional loading on the transformer. the result could be that the oscillator
ceases to copitulate(stops working) The result is the transistor stays turned on all the time and the leds never come on. You could try replacing the 2n2222 and the other thing might be to reference
the base and protect it during the negative swing. you could use say a in914 from ground to the base. make it so it conducts on the negative cycle, cathode to the base.
I dont know if you were looking for feedback or not, but iwas trying to help without being a smart ass.
Good luck
BE
Smart ass is welcome in this thread! :D
Using the left hand rule on your drawing for reply #8, wouldn't the north pole be in the opposite
direction?
Quote from: bille on April 13, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
Using the left hand rule on your drawing for reply #8, wouldn't the A be in the opposite
direction?
You are right. Other people (Patrick Kelly) also brought that to my attention. The diagram was from the original Flynn information. I did not change it.
The lesson is - the replicators with no real knowledge and understanding will fail. More examples will follow from the various teams in Hong Kong and Shenzhen working on FLEET.
It is expected that they call me when things fail to work. They have not shared their success results! ??? ???
I'm trying to bring myself up to snuff on this lead out theroy.
Its difficult beause its a whole new way of thinking.
I would like to present a new idea, a new way of thinking.
Its a lot about what I've been learning but taken to the next level.
Thankyou
BE
Quote from: bille on April 14, 2010, 12:30:49 AM
I'm trying to bring myself up to snuff on this lead out theroy.
Its difficult beause its a whole new way of thinking.
I would like to present a new idea, a new way of thinking.
Its a lot about what I've been learning but taken to the next level.
Thankyou
BE
If you are good with Mathematics and Quantum Mechanics, you should look into the Nobel Physics prize for 1957 and Hal Puthoff's (University of Stanford, CA) views on the amount of energy in the space occupied by a coffee cup.
Hi FLEET guys,
Thanks for you feedbacks.
@Itseung888:
Actually, I have made a couple of 'Joule Thieves' that work right. But it was the first time that I managed, thanks to Gadgetmail, to build a JT that could also charge another bat. I was not able to replicate it.
@Bille:
I see what you mean about the oscillator that could stop working. Actually, I do not remember having tried to check this with my oscillo. :P
BTW: your are just smart.
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Anyway, I have, now, succeeded to get another working circuit with L3 having two 22 turns secondary (one CW and another CCW) (and not only one 22 turns).
This second circuit is not as efficient as my first one. Please, do not ask me why...
So, I maintain that some MOJO is necessary for achieving 'OU'....
Very Best
aha - Mr Dishual, we meet again!
when - and i'm certain it will be 'when' and not 'if' - you get your latest JT to work to your satisfaction...
you should be able to charge TWO batteries simultaneously (and at the same time, too!), not just one as in your cct diagram - since the secondary produces an AC waveform
you can connect a second diode/battery arrangement in parallel and with reverse polarity to the first diode/battery and use the presently unused other polarity of the AC output waveform
and now for something completely different (remind me who used to say that?)...
here's a little MOJO to help you with your Quest for the Holy Grail:
http://swampfish.org/mp3s/i_got_my_mojo_working.mp3
bien amicalement, A+
sandy
What kind of resonance are we talking about? Part 1 QuoteNuclear magnetic resonance
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) is a property that magnetic nuclei have in a magnetic field and applied electromagnetic (EM) pulse or pulses, which cause the nuclei to absorb energy from the EM pulse and radiate this energy back out. The energy radiated back out is at a specific resonance frequency which depends on the strength of the magnetic field and other factors. This allows the observation of specific quantum mechanical magnetic properties of an atomic nucleus. Many scientific techniques exploit NMR phenomena to study molecular physics, crystals and non-crystalline materials through NMR spectroscopy. NMR is also routinely used in advanced medical imaging techniques, such as in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI).
All stable nuclides that contain an odd number of protons and/or of neutrons (see Isotope) have an intrinsic magnetic moment and angular momentum, in other words a nonzero spin, while all nuclides with even numbers of both have spin 0. The most commonly studied nuclei are 1H (the most NMR-sensitive isotope after the radioactive 3H) and 13C, although nuclei from isotopes of many other elements (e.g. 2H, 10B, 11B, 14N, 15N, 17O, 19F, 23Na, 29Si, 31P, 35Cl, 113Cd, 129Xe, 195Pt) are studied by high-field NMR spectroscopy as well.
A key feature of NMR is that the resonance frequency of a particular substance is directly proportional to the strength of the applied magnetic field. It is this feature that is exploited in imaging techniques; if a sample is placed in a non-uniform magnetic field then the resonance frequencies of the sample's nuclei depend on where in the field they are located. Since the resolution of the imaging techniques depends on how big the gradient of the field is, many efforts are made to develop more powerful magnets, often using superconductors. The effectiveness of NMR can also be improved using hyperpolarization, and/or using two-dimensional, three-dimensional and higher dimension multi-frequency techniques.
The principle of NMR usually involves two sequential steps:
• The alignment (polarization) of the magnetic nuclear spins in an applied, constant magnetic field H0.
• The perturbation of this alignment of the nuclear spins by employing an electro-magnetic, usually radio frequency (RF) pulse. The required perturbing frequency is dependent upon the static magnetic field (H0) and the nuclei of observation.
The two fields are usually chosen to be perpendicular to each other as this maximizes the NMR signal strength. The resulting response by the total magnetization (M) of the nuclear spins is the phenomenon that is exploited in NMR spectroscopy and magnetic resonance imaging. Both use intense applied magnetic fields (H0) in order to achieve dispersion and very high stability to deliver spectral resolution, the details of which are described by chemical shifts, the Zeeman effect, and Knight shifts (in metals).
NMR phenomena are also utilized in low-field NMR, NMR spectroscopy and MRI in the Earth's magnetic field (referred to as Earth's field NMR), and in several types of magnetometers.
Let us list some existing knowledge on various types of resonance first.
What kind of Resonance are we talking about? â€" Part 2From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
QuoteIn physics, resonance is the tendency of a system (usually a linear system) to oscillate at larger amplitude at some frequencies than at others. These are known as the system's resonant frequencies (or resonance frequencies). At these frequencies, even small periodic driving forces can produce large amplitude oscillations.
Resonances occur when a system is able to store and easily transfer energy between two or more different storage modes (such as kinetic energy and potential energy in the case of a pendulum). However, there are some losses from cycle to cycle, called damping. When damping is small, the resonant frequency is approximately equal to a natural frequency of the system, which is a frequency of unforced vibrations. Some systems have multiple, distinct, resonant frequencies.
Resonance phenomena occur with all types of vibrations or waves: there is mechanical resonance, acoustic resonance, electromagnetic resonance, nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), electron spin resonance (ESR) and resonance of quantum wave functions. Resonant systems can be used to generate vibrations of a specific frequency (e.g. musical instruments), or pick out specific frequencies from a complex vibration containing many frequencies.
Resonance was recognized by Galileo Galilei with his investigations of pendulums and musical strings beginning in 1602.[3][4]
“Easily transfer energy†â€" can it be extended to “easily lead-out or bring-in energy†from the surrounding environment?
What kind of Resonance are we talking about? â€" Part 3From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quote
Earthquake machine
Quote
Tesla's later evolution of his electromechanical oscillator shown at the World's Columbian Exposition.
Nikola Tesla established a laboratory at 46 E Houston Street in New York. There, at one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, he allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he hit the resonance frequency of his own building and belatedly realizing the danger he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the astonished police arrived.[5] The Discovery Channel's popular MythBusters show examined Tesla's claim that he had created an "Earthquake Machine" in their 60th episode. They tested the physical phenomenon known as mechanical resonance on a traffic bridge, reportedly feeling the bridge vibrating many yards away.
If the Law of Parallelogram of Forces is correct, applying horizonal force on a pendulum MUST increase the tension of the string. The mathematical calculation of energy will PROVE beyond doubt that
Applying horizontal work will lead-out or bring-in vertical work. The vertical work is the gravitational energy coming from the surrounding environment.
lawrence, me old cocker, how's it hanging? (the pendulum, i mean!)
still 'leading' people on, i see! ;o)
is it me, or does the rhetoric-to-rheostat ratio seem rather high?
...maybe it's just my meds wearing off...
"gie me a spark o' nature's fire, thats a' the learning i desire"
the very best of luck to you all
s.
What kind of Resonance are we talking about? Part 4
We have to separate out STARTING energy and the Looped Back Energy. They can be very different. Once we have loopback, we may get into the situation of Disaster Resonance and Self Destruct!
I might have observed that once with the Tong Wheel â€" the electronics burnt out. The Output Voltmeter jumped to over 1,000 volts. I could not reproduce the phenomena again.
The tunable systems may be better if the Output Load is allowed to change. If Energy can be Led-out or brought into the system and looped back, the Tesla Earthquake Machine story may not be a hoax.
*** The energy stored in a 1.5V AA battery cannot possibly provide 5 KW continuously for a home. However, it can start the machine and the Lead-out Energy is responsible for providing the 5 KW. ***
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 15, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
“Easily transfer energy†â€" can it be extended to “easily lead-out or bring-in energy†from the surrounding environment?
I think not. We should be cautious about the use of language.
In a resonant circuit, we have two items which store energy,
usually an inductor and a capacitor. The energy is merely poured
from one vessel to the other, as one could pour wine from one
bottle to another.
If the rate of pouring, the driving frequency, suits the size of
the wine bottles, then the operation happens in the best fashion.
"Lead out" depends on other factors.
The essential pendulum calculations
These diagrams are reproduced here so that the participant does not need to read the few hundred posts in the Lee-Tseung Lead out theory thread.
The key concept is that horizontally applied work or energy can lead out vertical work done by gravity. Approximately 1 part of vertical gravitational energy can be led out by 2 parts of supplied horizontal energy.
Meeting with Jim Nichoson of Gravitycontrol.org on April 17, 2010
Jim was from Canada but lived in Hong Kong for over twenty years. He emailed me and would like to see the Tong Wheel and FLEET on his brief trip back to Hong Kong.
Jim: “I read your information on the Internet. I have a friend working on the Don Smith type device. He is not successful yet. Do you have a Tong Wheel and a FLEET experiment here to show me?â€
Tseung: “Yes. You can film the Tong Wheel and you can also do the FLEET experiment â€" vary the frequency to pulse a LCR resonant circuit and check the peak-to-peak voltage waveform.â€
Jim spent two hours doing the experiments and filming the Tong Wheel. Others including Jeff, Forever and Debbie were present.
Jim: “I understand the construction of the Tong Wheel now. There could not be any hidden energy source other than the 12V battery. The theory is from the pulled pendulum. Have you got any marketable products yet?â€
Tseung: “You can buy a Tong Wheel for HKD150,000. However, you have now performed the FLEET experiment. You will go for the cheap alternative.â€
Jim: “I was willing to pay HKD150,000 for the Tong Wheel. But the FLEET is so much better and cheaper. I never expected a simple pulsing from a RMB600 Pulse Generator on a LCR resonant circuit can conclusively demonstrate resonance behavior. I wonder why my friend failed?â€
Jeff: “Getting resonance is not easy. We failed with the first Joule Thief we tried. You can have one of the failed models.â€
Jim: “You used a different one thousand ohm resistor as compared with the one shown on the youtube video. You also soldered in extra unnecessary wires.â€
Tseung: “That is why I do not always trust the replicator reports on the Internet. It does not surprise me that your friend failed to replicate the Don Smith device. Ask him to do the basic FLEET experiments first.â€
Jim: “Why are you giving such information out freely? A successful commercial product can worth billions. That is one of the reason I had to come and see the Tong Wheel and the FLEET myself.â€
Tseung: “Are you aware that some inventors such as Stan Meyer got poisoned? You are now another murder target. My reasoning is that if there are thousands or millions of people knowing the technology, there will be no point in murdering the inventors. I shall be safe.†:D
Hello Sandy,
I left this thread alone for a couple of days (I really mean 2) and ...
What a surprise !
You again on overunity dot com...
Nice to see you here.
Your mojo piece is just great and marketable, IMHO.
Do you sell any CD?
BTW: It 'sounds' like this piece actually gave me some Mojo...
I made a lot of others experiments with a couple of JT. Hence my silent. :P
I added another toroidal coil and was able to charge a bat and add another led.
The CCT (CCT is an abbreviation for Circuit. an abbreviation
is very usefull when you do not want to write too much letters).
Private joke. ;D
Guess what? these JT CCTs do not seem to care being charged....
My amp consumption is about 12 ma.
Yes, it could be possible to charge 2 batteries.
I'm now figuring out that all I have to do is to try different things.
Very Best et à pluche.
@ ND
This circuit , shown that
It is a wrong way.
You will find out that
it was only shown,
that an second battery can be load.
Pls try to connect
-instead the second battery
(chargeable battery= accu)
the " output-power" -instead-
to charge the first (driving) battery- at same time- (!)
(You save - the work- to swap both batteries ,
the "charged" against the "unload")
At Last:
This is the ONLY "working" test that can shown
you the true , so you it is un-need to look for more
mesurements and tests
that cant help to understand .
Gustav Pese
hey Nerzh!
that's a cool development - a JT with a 'couple' of coils!
and it sounds like you've tested it already and found you can charge a battery and light an LED of the second coil's secondary?
(er - so is that a secondary-squared?!?!)
are there any advantages to having two toroids from one Tr?
glad you liked the mojo track - we had a gig in deepest Dorset Friday night and the Maitre d' specially asked us to include that one during the evening
the highlight of the evening was when we announced that the airports had re-opened and we played a 'punky' version of Peter, Paul & Mary's 'leaving on a jetplane'
anyway, i digress - back to Pulsed DC transformers with embedded magnets...
i certainly found that adding a Neo to one of the toroids on a multi-toroid Xfr i'd made caused an increase in flyback voltage - unfortunately, it also seemed to cause an increase in input current
have you tried experimenting with Neos on your JT ccts?
(cct is an abbrvn. for circuit so you dnt hv to... oh, you've done that one!)
i'll be interested to see if this thread 'leads out' some real result data about pulsed DC transformers with embedded magnets
all the best
sandy
Hello A,
Yes I tried some magnets with the second coil.
I got a big charging effect, for a while....
For ex, with a 'scavenged' battery.
The amp consumption dropped (-4 mA)
1.248 Volts
1.270 Volts
1.277 Volts a big couple of minutes after.
Great!
I let the CCT alone.
I got : 1.241 volts 4 hours later !!!
I removed the magnets.
The amp consumption gained 4 mA (from 8 to 12).
I got 1.250 volts 10 minutes later.
I looks like the coil was 'fed up'/bored with the magnets...
Go figure ???
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@Gustav Pese
I'm not sure to understand you fully.
I just can say that the charging effect is real. With a Gadgetmail-like JT, I have swapped the 2 batteries.
However, I lost some voltage. = I observed that one bat. was slightly depleted.
I was also not being able to self charge one battery.
I'm planing to make a web page with all my measurements.
Some stuff already here:
http://freenrg.info/Some_Experiments/Joule_Thief/ (http://freenrg.info/Some_Experiments/Joule_Thief/)
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With this DCJT (see picture):
OK! This seems not to be 'OU', and was not claimed to be so.
This is just strange.
I replaced the bat wth a 995 ohm resistor.
I got the following results:
In: 1.270 Volts - Amp consumption 8 ma.
With the batterie being charged it is 12 ma.
OUT: 3 leds are lighted.
Voltage across the resistor : 1.195 volts.
So, appart from the leds.
IN: 1.270 * 8 = 10.16 mW
OUT: V*V/R = 1.195 * 1.195 / 995 * 1000 = 1.435 mW
COP = 1.435 / 10.16 = 0.14
NOW:
I disconnected Led1 and Led2:
Voltage across the resistor: 1.228 volts. Amp consumption = 8 mA (unchanged).
So led1 and Led2 are almost for free...
I disconnected also led3. So, with no led:
Voltage across the resistor: 1.66 volts. Amp consumption = 8 mA (unchanged)
BUT when I disconnected *only* Led3 I got a very little change in the resistor voltage (about 1.20 volts). Led3 is for free.
NEW COP (with no led)
IN = 10.16 mW
OUT = 1.66 * 1.66 /995 * 1000 = 2.77 mW
COP= 2.77/10.16 = 0.27.
So, IMHO, I think that the magic, should there be any, is in the leds that are almost for free and in the battery that can be charged a la Bedini virtually without current but just by pulsed DC.
I would bet that it would be the same with a capacitor.
What do you think Sandy?
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Another thing:
Stefan invented the 'Overunity Prize'.
As, thanks to Sandy (Null-Point), I now have some Mojo.
I have invented the 'Underunity Fine'.
The calculation is very simple:
The fine is 1/COP in Euros.
Beware! Some COPs could be less that 1/1OO....
Very Best
PS: Could anybody gives me a synonym for the verb to 'LEAD OUT' please???
Quote from: NerzhDishual on April 18, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
Could anybody gives me a synonym for the verb to 'LEAD OUT' please???
"Lead out" is a term coming from Lawrence and his research. But at the risk of getting a drubbing from him, I would suggest this explanation:
Space everywhere is jam packed with energy which consists of charged particles which flip in and out of existance very quickly. (See the 1957 Nobel Physics prize, and the words of Hal Puthoff on this subject).
There are various techniques to get these charged particles into your electrical circuit. These particles are then "lead out" of where they are, and become introduced into your circuit, thereby making your energy equations over unity.
This is "lead out" as applied to electrical devices. How it can be applied to gravitational devices I do not know.
@Paul-R
OK! I see. Thank you for your explanations.
My HARRAPS was only talking about "lead-out groove"...
BTW: Is this not a 'politically correct' way to avoid pronouncing the forbidden word 'AETHER' ... ;D
Very Best
Summary on what we have learned so far
1. Energy can be lead-out (or bring-in) from the environment. The Lead-out energy theory does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
See Slide 1 of the Summary at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZmIh6zrwc
2. We can loopback some of the output energy to the input side. The simple picture is in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DT9zm5rWhI&feature=related
The more advanced picture is in reply 243 of this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg237739#msg237739
3. The detailed mathematical explanation of force, displacement and energy is in reply 245 of this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg237951#msg237951
The case used is applying a small horizontal force (1/6 the weight) to a pendulum bob. The vertical force is the vertical component of the string (equal to the weight). The horizontal displacement (Lsin(a)) can be calculated from simple trigonometry. The vertical displacement (L(1-cos(a))) can be calculated from simple trigonometry. The horizontal energy = horizontal force x horizontal displacement. The vertical energy = vertical force x vertical displacement. The result is that two units of horizontal energy can lead-out (or bring-in) one unit of gravitational energy approximately.
This is the simplified calculation but it demonstrates the most important aspect of the lead-out energy theory. There is no magic in bringing-in gravitational energy into a pendulum system. It is strictly vigorous classical physics. The present school and university physics course materials do not discuss it. The future ones will.
4. If we use a magnet as the pendulum bob and place other magnets to produce appropriate magnetic fields, we can also lead-out or bring-in magnetic energy. Magnetic energy is mainly due to the rotation of electrons around the nucleus. Leading-out magnetic energy can be treated as leading-out electron motion energy. Thus we can build the Tong Wheel that can lead-out both gravitational and electron motion energy. The Tong wheel is available for demonstration and verification in Hong Kong today. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBRCs6sWjQw
5. In order to bring-in the most energy into a pendulum system, we must push the bob at the resonance frequency. The same should apply to the electrical systems. Thus pulsing a resonant circuit at the appropriate frequency should lead-out or bring-in electron motion energy from the surrounding. The bring-in energy is NOT from the supplied AC or DC source. The simple experimental evidence is in reply 213 of this thread. Varying the pulsing AC signal frequency does change the Output peak-to-peak voltage.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg236324#msg236324
6. With the appropriate loopback system, we only need to supply the starting energy. The lead-out energy machine (properly designed) will be able to continuously bring-in electron motion energy from the surrounding. Thus the Lead-out energy theory can explain the source of energy from the many overunity devices described on the Internet.
7. The Joule Thief is a special case of immediately extracting the supplied and the lead-out energy. Thus it does not need to be at resonance frequency to show high efficiency. It may be tuned with additional capacitors and/or double Joule Thief techniques to get to the resonance environment. The Gadgetmail device may be such an arrangement. Thus a 1.5V battery can start a circuit leading-out or bringing-in electron motion energy to heat up water. The best explanation is in reply 221 and 222 of this thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg236707#msg236707
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg236854#msg236854
8. The Stan Meyer Circuit is a special case of DC Pulsing a LCR resonant circuit. The lead-out electron motion energy is responsible for converting the water molecules to Brown’s Gas. The Brown’s Gas can be used as fuel for combustion engines. Thus, running a car totally on water is possible. The source of energy is the lead-out energy. The Bob Boyce work and in particular, the Bob Boyce Hex Controller may be of special interest in recharging batteries of electric cars. The recharging energy is the lead-out energy. Only an electronic circuit is involved. There is no need to connect to the electricity supply grid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3juM6vHwg
9. The Magnacoaster Vorktex battery charger product is now available for sale. Rasa of the Hangzhou Group already ordered one. I shall be testing it shortly. There is no point in arguing about it at this moment in time. The patent information and the preliminary experiments on the Tong Wheel in reply 72 of this thread indicated that it may not be a hoax. Presence of permanent magnets close to Coils can indeed change the magnetic flux and thus affect the Output Power.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg231508#msg231508
http://www.vorktex.ca/
10. My conclusion at this point is that:
Pulsing resonant circuits can lead-out electron motion energy. This is both theoretically correct and experimentally proven. The many researchers and inventors working on resonance systems are not hoaxes. Resonance behavior is very tricky to catch and to replicate. The most likely successful strategy is for a well financed group to manufacture the high quality components and follow exact procedures to produce actual products. Some products can be sold as Educational Do-It-Yourself kits. Since the theory and the experimental results are freely available to all, a fleet of FLEET products will come out in the near future. The race to lead-out energy has started. Vorktex is leading the way.
Good Summary!...i am in agreement working on a similar coil setup...
It would appear this company has proven OU with a magnet device: http://www.terawatt.com/index.htm
Underwriters Laboratories tested as well as others show less than 200 watts in giving over 600 watts out. They have a plan to put this into production but their time table is a lot slower than I'd like to see. If my experience with another technology is any indication I'll bet China will get such devices rolling off the production line a lot faster.
I'm not putting a lot of faith yet in Magnacoaster but this Terawatt company seems to have a lot of credentials and valid scientific testing behind their product. That tells me more than much of what I've seen that Lawrence's theories will work.
@Itseung888:
Thanks a lot for having spending time explaining your views. It is very informative.
Lead Out = Bring In. This is more clear to me.
The native French speaking persons are not very comfortable with composed words.
In English language (and in Chinese one, I guess) it is a common process.
But, you are preaching to the choir!
I'm not a skeptic and I think that (any extra) energy is not created out of nothing but
merely harnessed from known environment (heat pump, solar panel, pendulum?, etc..) or (still) officially unknown one.
Thanks again and Very Best
Quote from: NerzhDishual on April 19, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
@Itseung888:
Thanks a lot for having spending time explaining your views. It is very informative.
Lead Out = Bring In. This is more clear to me.
The native French speaking persons are not very comfortable with composed words.
In English language (and in Chinese one, I guess) it is a common process.
But, you are preaching to the choir!
I'm not a skeptic and I think that (any extra) energy is not created out of nothing but
merely harnessed from known environment (A, A, pendulum?, etc..) or (still) officially unknown one.
Thanks again and Very Best
The term "lead-out" was first used in our PCT patent application. We stated that we needed to supply some initial energy to start the process. We also stated that in the absence of controlled feedback, we needed to continuously supply some input energy to "lead-out" or "bring-in" gravitational or electron motion energy.
The pendulum calculation was disclosed in the patent application. PCT/IB2005/000138
Quote from: ketone on April 19, 2010, 11:45:15 AM
Good Summary!...i am in agreement working on a similar A setup...
You are on very solid theoretical grounds. Continue to hunt for the best resonance situation to lead-out the maximum energy with your particular setup.
hi Nerzh
LOL @ the 'Underunity Fine' - c'est magnifique!
i'm not sure from your info if you were able to view the output waveforms - or are the voltage readings just from a DVM?
if the readings are just from a DVM then it's possible that they do not give you true RMS values for power & therefore energy
but i agree with your summary: we are searching to see if it's possible that pulse spikes can 'trigger' a battery to take on more charge (from the environment?) than is supplied as conventional energy from the source?
we need some 'solid' results with battery discharge tests after charging runs (on an initially discharged battery)
a couple of interesting items of recent 'synchronicity':
- on the JT thread, one user (tysb3?) has been recording running battery voltage over several days & the data also clearly shows that the battery voltage increases with the daily temperature cycle
this reminded me of your temperature tests with those caps/condos
- then this weekend i was checking the off-load voltage of a 1 Farad cap around midday, in a very hot (eg ~40*C) sun-heated room and instead of self-discharging slowly as usual, the voltage rose 16mV with the heat
this was 'real' energy which i was able to drive my low-power circuit with that evening for a few hours before the voltage discharged to its previous pre-heated value
i hope that since Lawrence has introduced the subject of Joule Thief to this thread that our JT discussion here will not be seen as too much off-topic
greetings from the land of 'ros-bif' and warm biere! A+
sandy
Hi Sandy,
I was not automatically warned by overunity dot com of this new message. So, my delay.
Yes, I was measuring RMS voltages. :-\
I have added a 10uf cap and, now, the oscillo trace is flat.
The results are a little bit better. But not 'OU'!
IN: 1.26 Volts - Amp consumption 10 ma (without cap = 8 ma).
OUT: 3 leds are lighted.
Voltage across the resistor (with the 10uF cap in //) : 1.65 volts.
So, appart from the leds.
IN: 1.260 * 10 = 12.6 mW
OUT: V*V/R = 1.65 * 1.65 / 995 * 1000 = 2.74 mW
COP = 2.74 / 12.6 =/= 0.22
Fine : about 4 Euros, I can afford this. ;D
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that the batteries do like pulse spikes. Does this 'trigger' something? I dunno. But the self charge temperature effect is real on batteries and capacitors.
My understanding is that most of JT 'circuits' are underunity. Could some of them be 'OU' if they reach some resonance?
That's what some people said. I can agree with them.
Anyway, it sounds like you can charge a cap and a battery and also light a led without practically no current and hence having 'OU' effects even if the CCT itself is not 'OU'.
If you use a (even non resonant) JT as a transformer, your measurements will see that it is not 'OU', but if you use it to light leds and/or to charge another battery then it could be 'OU'.
Have you seen this vid:
OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA)
In this vid, J. Bedini said that the device, as a motor, gives 23% mechanical energy.
He also states that "this is not a motor but an energizer that collects energy".
This device can charge a bunch of big batteries.
I have heard "eighteen hundred amps hour"
but I'm not a native English speaker.
IMHO, it is the same for a JT. As a transformer it is not efficient but as an energizer it is.
So, as a motor giving mechanical energy, the Bedini 10 coils device is useless!
Very Best
I am in a very nice Hotel (Kande International Hotel) with Internet connections in China.
I had a chance to talk to Mr. Wang Shen He, the inventor who invented the Wang Shen He Electricity Generator that required no batteries nor fuel. He said that his 5 KW electricity generator will be displayed at the World Expo in Shanghai.
So if you have a chance to go to the World Expo, make sure that you take pictures and post them in this forum.
His electricity generator is best explained by the lead-out energy theory. Do a google search on Wang ShenHe or Wang Shum Ho as the key word.
Conversation with Wang ShenHe and his team
Wang: "Nice to meet you again. I received your email and my people reviewed your postings on the Internet. They are vey informative."
Tseung; "Thank you. How is the progress on your side. You recieved funding and had a large team to support you."
Wang: "I just came back from Shanghai checking our displays at the World Expo. You can see the 5 KW versions in action."
Team: "We have produced actual products. There is so much demand within China that our capacity has been overwhelmed. We are buidling a new factory. That should be ready in a couple of months."
Tseung: "Have you decided on the price of your unit yet?"
Team: "At present, we are filling orders from the many Government Organizatons. The Chinese Government has pumped in many billions to help our research and development. They wanted many units for their use. We are not selling to the public yet."
Wang: 'I have one reserved for you. It is in Beijing. You can pick it up next time you come to visit me."
Tseung: 'Thank you. That gives me an incentive to go to Beijing. I shall try to get the Hangzhou Group to send you one of their units when ready."
Wang: "They are in contact with us already."
Posts like this at least give me hope! ;D However, it is a little disconcerting that the government is buying up all the units. Hi Mr. Tseung. What in you opinion is the Chinese government's attitude towards the mass-availability of free-energy products?
Wang ShenHe and Prof. Xu
The photo was taken at the banquet to celebrate the setting up of a Charitable Foundation.
Both are well known figures in the field of New Energy in China. Their next meeting is likely to be in the World Expo in Shanghai.
Quote from: Sprocket on April 22, 2010, 12:17:52 AM
Posts like this at least give me hope! ;D However, it is a little disconcerting that the government is buying up all the units. Hi Mr. Tseung. What in you opinion is the Chinese government's attitude towards the mass-availability of free-energy products?
My understanding at thjs moment in time is that the Wang Generator is EXTREMELY difficult to mass produce. The dimensions, the magnets, the shielding etc. had to be exact. Every unit needs to be tuned by experts. Slight mishandling will alter the resonance conditions.
ltseung888, Thank you for all of your informitive posts.
It is also very NICE to see all of your photos. I especially like the one of some inventors in their shop.
Please keep up the GREAT work and post some more photos.
.
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 22, 2010, 05:39:56 AM
My understanding at thjs moment in time is that the Wang Generator is EXTREMELY difficult to mass produce. The dimensions, the magnets, the shielding etc. had to be exact. Every unit needs to be tuned by experts. Slight mishandling will alter the resonance conditions.
An experienced high precision production manager will take this in his/her stride.
The dimensional tolerances on a hard drive are horrific. We got there because
we started with 8" floppy drives, progressed to 5.25" drives, then to 3.5" drives.
Why not ask a hard drive manufacturer to quote?
Quote from: Paul-R on April 22, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
An experienced high precision production manager will take this in his/her stride.
The dimensional tolerances on a A are horrific. We got there because
we started with 8" floppy drives, progressed to 5.25" drives, then to 3.5" drives.
Why not ask a hard drive manufacturer to quote?
China is aware of everything I posted in this forum. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and Mr. Tong Po Chi are from China. The Wang ShenHe electricity generator works. It is not the theoretical best. I believe the theoretical best should be the Motionless Electricity Generators (MEG).
We are (and undoubltedly, the Chinese, USA, Russia, Japanese Government Researchers etc) making good progress on the Pulsing on Resonant Circuits technology. The size, cost and maintenance aspects appear to be superior to the Tong or the Wang devices. The Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, Don Smith, Gadgetmail, Magnacoaster researches are all pointing in this direction.
Mass production for the General Public will depend on these FLEETs. (Even Wang ShenHe himself admits that.)
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 22, 2010, 06:04:03 PM
The Wang ShenHe electricity generator works. It is not the theoretical best....Mass production for the General Public will
depend on these FLEETs. (Even Wang ShenHe himself admits that.)
Most researchers have taken an old scrapped hard drive to pieces
because they are full of useful stuff. If you haven't, Lawrence, then
I urge you to do so. It will convince you that a hard drive maker
could build anything on God's earth. They would regard pulse and
magnet motors as "bicycle technology" in comparison to the
problems they have to deal with when producing hard drives.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 23, 2010, 04:41:00 AM
Most researchers have taken an old scrapped A to pieces
because they are full of useful stuff. If you haven't, Lawrence, then
I urge you to do so. It will convince you that a hard drive maker
could build anything on God's earth. They would regard pulse and
magnet motors as "bicycle technology" in comparison to the
problems they have to deal with when producing hard drives.
Thank you for your information.
One group called me and said that they got to overunity situations but the process was not always reproducible. They would not provide any specifics. They wanted to know whether we could predict from theory what to tune.
I told them that I did not have any specific recommendations.
The general statement that pulsing a resonant circuit may lead-out electron motion energy appears to be correct. The specific experimental setup cannot be predicted at this point. We do not have enough experimental data except that the resonance frequency is not the LCR resonance frequency. Anyone can propose parameters.
What make it more difficult is that the successful groups will not share their data because of the huge financial potential.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 23, 2010, 04:41:00 AM
Most researchers have taken an old scrapped hard drive to pieces
because they are full of useful stuff. If you haven't, Lawrence, then
I urge you to do so. It will convince you that a hard drive maker
could build anything on God's earth. They would regard pulse and
magnet motors as "bicycle technology" in comparison to the
problems they have to deal with when producing hard drives.
Ditto that. I've been taking hard drives apart for parts since the very early ones (as in 5 Megabyte (not Gigabyte) hard drives) through current ones. Extreme precision in manufacturing. Some run at 10,000 or more RPM. I still marvel at how they can get so much storage (now in the terabyte range) in such a small space.
Meeting with Mr. Chan
Mr. Chan is an advisor to wealthy investors in Hong Kong. He saw our Tong Wheel and the posts on the Internet.
Chan: “Let me ask you a pointed question. Are you saying that pulsing a mechanical pendulum at the correct resonance frequency can lead out gravitational energy?â€
Tseung: “Yes. We can prove that with the Parallelogram of Force calculations.â€
Chan: “Are you aware that no scientific authorities have ever taught that in any of the top academic institutions? If the calculations were that simple, why was that not discovered and published centuries ago? Why would it wait until December 2004 for Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and you to disclose it in your patent applications? â€
Tseung: “May I quote the conversation with a US Venture Capitalist? He said that he consulted with a top US university. The Professors there said that if gravitational energy could be led-out via pulsing a pendulum, the discoverer would be the number one genius in the World.â€
Chan: “I read that story in your on-line book. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin is the discoverer. His nickname in the Hong Kong Invention Association is ‘the number one genius of the World’. Many people treated that as a joke.â€
Tseung: “I asked the Venture Capitalist the same question. His reply was that almost everyone before Newton saw things dropped to the ground. But who discovered and laid down the Newton’s Laws of Motion and showed the path to modern science? Newton was the number one genius at that time.â€
Chan: “I agree with that.â€
Tseung: “Everyone has seen a swinging pendulum or pushed a swing. Who claimed that gravitational energy can be led-out before Mr. Lee Cheung Kin? Who confirmed it with mathematics? Who built the Tong Wheel allowing any scientists to verify that Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy in Hong Kong?â€
Chan: “I know that you have been writing on the Internet advocating lead-out energy for years. Why is it that the lead-out theory is not accepted in the top scientific establishments yet?â€
Tseung: “We presented at TsingHua University in China in 2006. That is the equivalent of MIT in USA. That lecture was recorded and we were invited as guest lecturers.â€
Chan: ‘I read the story. You claimed that you brought a group from USA with a 225 HP pulse generator. You explained the theory but that group turned out to be spies. They just wanted to find out why their invention worked. I do not buy that story. The 225 HP pulse generator never existed. If it existed, the top universities in USA would have found the explanation. They do not need to wait for some retirees like Lee and you.â€
Tseung: “The USA top academics never claimed that they had answers to every scientific phenomenon. Some will come to see the Tong Wheel in Hong Kong and the Wang Electricity Generator in World Expo in Shanghai.â€
Chan: “To be frank, I have examined the Tong Wheel. I understood your lead-out theory thoroughly and followed every mathematical equation. I believe that you do have something revolutionary. But as an advisor to important investors, I have to ask tough questions. My advice to my client at present is â€" put your inventions on the interest list. Do not pump in money yet.â€
Tseung: “My goal is to benefit the World. My information is free to all.â€
Chan: “That is why I advised my clients not to pump any money. They could receive your information free without risking a single dollar. They could wait for someone who could produce actual products or buy the stock of a Company that has products. I advised a highly interested one to buy a Vorktex battery charger from Magnacoaster for investigation purposes.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 23, 2010, 04:29:11 PM
Meeting with Mr. Chan
Chan: “That is why I advised my clients not to pump any money. They could receive your information free without risking a single dollar. They could wait for someone who could produce actual products or buy the stock of a Company that has products. I advised a highly interested one to buy a Vorktex battery charger from Magnacoaster for investigation purposes.â€
Then your clients will always be a generation late. They should remember the number of milionaires created by the free open source operating system, Linux.
There will be plenty of money to be shared around.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 23, 2010, 05:31:27 PM
Then your clients will always be a A late. They should remember the number of milionaires created by the free open source operating system, Linux.
There will be plenty of money to be shared around.
Paul-R, there are many groups who have 'discovered" some resonance effects in some specific cases. Some are "bought out" by Governments. Some make noises on the Internet. Some are quietly developing products.
My belief is that when one of them (e.g. the Wang generator, the Vorktex, the Gadgetmail etc.) gets huge publicity, massive venture money will pour into lead-out energy research or overunity research in general. Many marginal inventions will also be funded. The "free energy bubble" will dwarf any other bubble in human history. Many Governments have learned to print money to "stimulate" economy. Many will print new money to gain the leadership in this technology.
I am sure someone believing in this thread will send a 1-watt overunity device to claim the prize from Stefan soon. That device may not have too much commercial value. Some students (e.g. Forever and friends) may use this summer to develop something. They can afford the few hundred Hong Kong Dollars to get the electronic components for FLEET.
That scenario is likely to happen this year. The fleet of FLEET products will come out.
Meeting with Lee Cheung Kin
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin is nicknamed “the Number One Genius of the Worldâ€. He was the first to propose that gravitational energy can be led-out from pulsing a pendulum in Dec 2004. The event we participated in was an Environmental Promotion program organized by a local young entrepreneur group.
Lee: “Explain to me more about the latest development. It is always easier to understand from talking to the expert.â€
Tseung: “The latest is confirming that pulsing a resonant electric circuit will lead-out energy.â€
Lee: “This is as revolutionary as my proposing that gravitational energy can be led-out by pulsing a pendulum. I believe that many others have done something similar but they have not come out with such a bold and general statement.â€
Tseung: “Many groups have repeated my experiments on reply 213. The summary explanation is in reply 253. Both you and I are too old and lack the energy and drive to start a Company. My strategy is to give this technology free to the World. Get as many groups working on FLEET simultaneously as possibleâ€
Lee: “You have a good number of young entrepreneurs here. Sow the seeds.â€
Joule Thief by Lawrence Tseung
I finally used my old, shaky hands to build a simple joule thief. The first attempt failed because I used a cement type resistor. The second attempt failed because I misconnected the emitter side of the transistor.
The third attempt was successful. One small trick I used was to clamp the wires with a crocodile clip first before soldering.
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/solidstate/
Even Steorn is going solidstate. MEG (motionless Electricity Generator) or FLEET is inevitable.
Pulsing a resonant circuit can lead-out electron motion energy!
The potential FLEET products
1. Built-in never-need recharging battery. This can be aimed at the mobile phone market. The requirement is light weight and small size.
2. The simple battery charger for the AA or AAA batteries. This is likely to be the easiest to produce. An educational Do-It-Yourself product may come out soon. I am revising my book and may include such a unit in the package. The expected sale of the Book and Package is in millions for the China Market alone.
3. The self-recharging battery set. One battery supplies the power to the electrical appliance and recharges a second battery at the same time. The two batteries swap function appropriately. The first product may be for the AA or AAA battery market.
4. The battery charger for the 24V car battery market. Imagine that all electric cars will never need to be charged via the mains. All cars, buses etc. may be electric to eliminate pollution. The Vorktex product from Magnacoaster is available now. The Bob Boyce Hex Controller has been demonstrated.
5. The Stan Meyer all water car. Use lead-out energy to convert water to Brown’s Gas on demand. The future electric cars may have this feature and become very powerful. Variations of this technology are available. A version based on the Brown’s Gas Generator is available in China for evaluation today.
6. The high power engines such as the Liang or the 225 HP Pulse Motor. Small factories may use such devices to supply energy back to the grid at night and cut their electricity bills. (or profit handsomely if the existing regulations were not changed!)
7. The 5KW electricity generator for the home. The Wang ShenHe electricity generator is on display at World Expo in Shanghai. It may be treated as a “backup†power generator except the backup is used all the time â€" revert to mains only if necessary. There may be a larger version for an entire building. The Don Smith type resonance technology may also be employed.
8. The built-in lead-out energy units for all types of electrical appliances. There will be no wires to connect to mains. The starting power may even be a couple of turns or shakes by hand.
9. It looks like many Companies, including Steorn, are focusing on this technique of Pulsing Electrical Resonance Circuits to lead-out energy. The theory is solid and the preliminary experiments are successful. The race is on.
10. The extremely powerful units that can power boats and planes. This may be coupled with the “inertia powered†or “anti-gravity†mechanisms. The Tong jumping tubes already achieved “proof-of-conceptâ€. The military significance is too high. Governments may still want to keep that a top-secret.
It is my personal belief that when the Media and the General Public is allowed to see the Wang 5KW electricity generator, the Vorktex, the Bedini 10 Coil battery charger or our Tong Wheel in action, there is no possibility of holding back the Lead-Out Energy Machines. The development of the FLEET products will be unstoppable. (Pulsing a resonant circuit that costs a few Hong Kong Dollars is within reach of the financial means of the General Public.)
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 25, 2010, 03:39:35 AM
5. The Stan Meyer all water car. Use lead-out energy to convert water to Brown’s Gas on demand. The future electric cars may have this feature and become very powerful. Variations of this technology are available. A version based on the Brown’s Gas Generator is available in China for evaluation today.
This seems pointless to me. If you are generating electrcity, keep it as such.
Why turn it into HHO (I don't think Meyer devices produce Browns gas) and
feed it into a heavy and inefficient internal combustion engine?
Modern electric motors are very impressive.
He harvested the energy at the point of the crack. ZPE.
If you store the gases then burn them later you have lost the potential.
The crack can be produced in many ways. All those ways are in this site, Overunity.com. When the potential that has produced the separation has subsided then we harvest the returning backlash. This return is the atomic reconnection or rebonding. Mother nature abhors a vacuum.
Based upon the spectrum range we exist in this controls the atomic bonding in a limited fashion. Naturally occurring bonds exist all around us, obviously, which produce familiar examples of matter. We have the knowledge to break those bonds in numerous ways, i.e. Cleaning, cooking, burning, exploding, cutting, moving. This is where to resonant swing comes into play. We push, we wait, we harvest, push, wait, harvest. Your goal is to find the timing depending on what materials or forces you use. Using resonance overcomes the losses. Work with nature and you rule the universe. As a child did you ever cause tidal forces in the tub with your little hands? You don't have to stop no matter what age you are.
Look at your failed attempts in the past, change your timing and viola'!
If you want to use sines waves then resonance is mandatory. Square waves afford the speed inherently because of the rise and fall times.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 25, 2010, 10:11:20 AM
This seems pointless to me. If you are generating electrcity, keep it as such.
Why turn it into HHO (I don't think Meyer devices produce Browns gas) and
feed it into a heavy and inefficient internal combustion engine?
Modern electric motors are very impressive.
Dear ltseung888,
You wrote:
The Wang ShenHe electricity generator is on display at World Expo in Shanghai.
Can you give us more details, exact location/boot number?
World Expo in Shanghai is HUGE!
Quote from: kampen on April 25, 2010, 12:06:59 PM
Dear ltseung888,
You wrote:
The Wang ShenHe electricity A is on display at World Expo in Shanghai.
Can you give us more details, exact location/boot number?
World Expo in Shanghai is HUGE!
I have not gone to the World Expo yet. My plan is to go in mid-June.
According to Mr. Wang ShenHe, the genertor is in the China Pavilion under
Quote
Highlight 3:Focus on low-carbon future
Chinese people will tackle future challenges brought by urbanization in a sustainable way which takes low-carbon technologies as its core
The 5 KW generator is the size of an average water bucket. Part of the electricity of the China Pavilion is supplied from this unit. There is a poster describing the unit with the name of Wang ShenHe. I am sure that there will be much more news coverage starting May 1.
The Book and DIY package
It looks like the basic Joule Thief circuit can fit into a small circuit board. I can include such a board with the components for the student buyer to assemble on the empty side of the board.
Now the decision is what to include?
1. The basic Joule Thief?
2. The Joule Thief Charger?
3. Something more advanced?
What are your comments?
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 25, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
The Book and A package
It looks like the basic Joule Thief A can fit into a small circuit board. I can include such a board with the components for the student buyer to assemble on the empty side of the board.
Now the decision is what to include?
1. The basic Joule Thief?
2. The Joule Thief Charger?
3. Something more advanced?
What are your comments?
First Comment from Chan Chan: “Go with the simple Joule Thief. There is much information on the Internet already. Your Book will reach a large number of audiences. Some have never heard of soldering or touch a soldering iron, a circuit board before. Anything more complicated will not be beneficial to them.â€
Tseung: “Should I add a capacitor to make it more like a resonant circuit?â€
Chan: “No. If the Joule Thief built by the reader does not work, he will blame himself. Far too many people have succeeded. Many may not succeed the first time. It took you three tries to get your first Joule Thief to work. Even if you add a capacitor, you are adding complications. If they misconnected and burnt out a component, they could blame you. Keep it simple, stupid (KISS).â€
Tseung: “Good point. I shall publish my book in the name of Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. How should I produce the working Joule Thief that would accompany the Book? I cannot possibly build so many thousand by myself.â€
Chan: “Get investors and use factories that can provide employment to underprivileged groups. You can give the order to Developing Nations who want to catch up with the latest technology. Those Governments may even help you. They can see that as a stepping stone. The simple Joule Thief will lead to Double Joule Thief, Gadgetmail circuits, Battery Charger Circuits, and Resonance Circuits in general. It is a win-win situation.â€
Tseung: “I shall first find some of my engineering friends to smooth out the manufacturing process. Then get the investors. Then contact the factories. The Wang 5 KW electricity generator at World Expo will help to generate interest. Many top academics will examine and comment on it.â€
Chan: “Your two trump cards are:
1. Lead-out gravitational energy from pulsing a mechanical pendulum.
2. Pulsing a resonant circuit to lead-out electron motion energy.All other experiments, presentations, papers, books, equations etc. are supporting documents.â€
Tseung: “Thank you.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 25, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
The Book and DIY package
It looks like the basic Joule Thief A can fit into a small circuit board. I can include such a board with the components for the student buyer to assemble on the empty side of the board.
Now the decision is what to include?
1. The basic Joule Thief?
2. The Joule Thief A?
3. Something more advanced?
What are your comments?
Second Comment from Lee Lee: “I think that Mr. Chan is too conservative. Let me show you the simple Joule Thief Charging Circuit.â€
Tseung: “Thank you. The only change to the Joule Thief is the addition of the Diode.â€
Lee: “You should check this out. If it works, the DIY kit will be much more valuable.â€
Tseung: “I shall. I know that one group in Hong Kong is working on something similar. They will kill me if I give out this as a DIY kit with my book,â€
:D :D :D
Hi, ltseung888
Yours circuit, I think , need to be corrected
Quote from: tysb3 on April 26, 2010, 09:22:51 AM
Hi, ltseung888
Your circuit, I think, needs to be corrected
Thank you for your suggestion. I shall try both. Actually, I believe the LED is not even necessary. It was put there to show that current actually flows to charge the battery.
If curent trough LED was enough to charge battery, you dont need add diod.
In my way LED will become bright when battery will be charged.
Quote from: tysb3 on April 26, 2010, 12:28:02 PM
If curent trough LED was enough to charge battery, you dont need add diod.
In my way LED will become bright when battery will be charged.
Thanks for reminding me. LED stands for Light-emitting diode. LED has the diode capability already. There is no need for an additional diode. All I need is to put the weak battery in the circuit to get it recharged.
Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJOAqPYmkk&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9099
It looks like that there is one more confirmation of the lead-out energy theory. The late Stan Meyer and the late Prof. Yull Brown could both smile from their graves. Their technology will not rest with them in their graves.
I am absolutely sure that DC Pulsing at the right frequency will Lead-Out (bring-in) electron motion energy from the surrounding to break up the molecules of water to Brown’s Gas. The Brown’s Gas can then act as fuel to combustion engines. Even with the large loss, the system can self-run.
My coming report in China on the waiting HHO device will just be another confirmation. The Chinese Group may be a bit disappointed that others have achieved something similar. But all these will help in the massive funding that is bound to come.
The World will benefit.
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 25, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
The Book and DIY package
It looks like the basic Joule Thief circuit can fit into a small circuit board. I can include such a board with the components for the student buyer to assemble on the empty side of the board.
Now the decision is what to include?
1. The basic Joule Thief?
2. The Joule Thief Charger?
3. Something more advanced?
What are your comments?
Third Comment from Tong Tong: “I know that you met Wang and that his device will be shown at the China Pavilion in World Expo in Shanghai. That will be good news for us and for the overunity community in general.â€
Tseung: “I plan to go in Mid-June. I shall stop by Hangzhou. Would you like to come along?â€
Tong: “I shall see how my schedule works out. It is worth a trip â€" just to take a picture at the Wang generator.â€
Tseung: “What should I include with the book?â€
Tong: “Something impressive. Wang ShenHe will undoubtedly gain phenomenal publicity which he deserves. You must come out with something impressive for your book to overshadow all others.â€
Tseung: “Will a Joule Thief Charger do it? The reader may be able to reuse some old batteries.â€
Tong: “I may be able to get you something more impressive than that. You need something that can conclusively demonstrate overunity. You will never beat Wang on the Publicity now. But you should at least demonstrate what you are preaching. It could be something that would win the overunity prize.â€
Tseung: “I look forward to that. That something may be good advertising for you and may even be financially rewarding. You can pocket the overunity prize money. Lee and I would look forward to our lead-out energy theory in all textbooks. It will be a win-win.â€
QuoteThe Book and A Package
It looks like the basic Joule Thief circuit can fit into a small circuit board. I can include such a board with the components for the student buyer to assemble on the empty side of the board.
Now the decision is what to include?
1. The basic Joule Thief?
2. The Joule Thief Charger?
3. Something more advanced?
What are your comments?
Fourth Comment with Mr. ChanChan: “I came in the request of my friend in China. He said that the local government is giving grants to factories that can provide self-sustaining, fuelless electricity generators. I told him that it is impossible and such a machine is a violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. He insisted that I should meet you.â€
Tseung then gave the standard presentation, the Tong Wheel and FLEET demonstrations.
Chan: “I can see why my friend insisted that I should meet you. I shall go to the World Expo in Shanghai. I shall take a picture of the Wang 5KW electricity generator. You said that it is not the theoretical best. But something like that will get Government Grants.â€
Tseung: “ Wang already received funding from the Central Government. If you want to replicate or produce his device without Central Government blessing, you are asking for trouble.â€
Chan: “Can we build something based on the Joule Thief? Is that open source? Is that an overunity device?â€
Tseung: “Most people who do not understand the theory thought that the circuit was a toy. They did not realize it was a device that extracted energy from the environment via the toroid as soon as magnetic flux was induced. They do not understand the implications in reply 253. If you build the
Joule Thief with the right components, you can actually achieve overunity.â€
Chan: “I can build a microprocessor that can monitor Input and Output voltage and current. I can vary the Pulse Frequency and even the resistance, inductance and capacitance of the resonant circuit. I can put in different toroids with different windings. That should tell me whether a particular configuration is overunity.â€
Tseung: “Do you think that you can identify and build a joule thief that is already overunity. That can be a real plus for my book. The top universities or research organization can use their expensive equipment to check.â€
Chan: “Sure. If there is money to be made, anything is possible.â€
ltseung888,
If you have any Overunity DOUBTERS, PLEASE have them watch this short video. They will INSTANTLY BELIEVE. YOU TOO REALLY NEED TO WATCH IT.
Why? Because it illustrates that Overunity can be achieved in a very simple device with NO MOVING PARTS. But we need you & your scientist friends to show us how it works. People here have been working on it for several years with no success.
Thank you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en#docid=167210479374903373
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Hi regarding HHO yes it can be produced in abundance. I've build the Lawton circuit and it's true it gives large quantity of gas.
Thanks
Quote from: FatBird on April 29, 2010, 06:51:58 AM
ltseung888,
If you have any Overunity DOUBTERS, PLEASE have them watch this short video. They will INSTANTLY BELIEVE. YOU TOO REALLY NEED TO WATCH IT.
Why? Because it illustrates that Overunity can be achieved in a very simple device with NO MOVING PARTS. But we need you & your scientist friends to show us how it works. People here have been working on it for several years with no success.
Thank you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en#docid=167210479374903373
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What happened to Steven Mark and TPUThere were some people trying to replicate the TPU including some in this forum. What is the outcome?
Some people automatically yelled fraud when there were devices with no conceivable Input Power that could generate a large amount of Output Power. They should go to World Expo and see the Wang 5KW electricity generator. Once a scientist accepts that energy can be continuously led-out (or drawn-in) from the environment, such devices are logical.
When I played with the Joule Thief and the Pulse Generator with toroids, the size of the toroids are huge compared with the other electronic components. Could the TPU be ahead of us in perfecting the loopback already? If so, the device could be started and then auto-looped to continuously produce energy via resonance? This possibility gave us much encouragement in our research.
I have a gut feel that the TPU research and the Pulsing Resonant Circuit reseach on this thread are leading to the same goal. Much of the technique will be similar. When the Central Chinese Government encourages the local governments to fund overunity research, the progress will be much faser.
Some imaginative type suggested that Mark Steven sold the rights of his device to some “existing power†and thus vanished from this field. Some even suggested that he met the same fate as Stan Meyer. I do not worry as my progress is slow and every little advance is disclosed and shared with the World.
(Some laughed at the thought that USA "murdered" their top innovative researchers and China funded them. Can USA be that stupid?)
The two facts cannot be changed even with my death:
1. Gravitational energy can be led-out or drawn-in via the tension of the string of a pendulum. Periodically pushing (or pulsing) at the right frequency or at resonance is likely to be the most effective way in drawing-in such energy.
2. Pulsing a resonant circuit can led-out or drawn-in energy. We do not know the exact factors yet. Some of the factors may be nuclear magnetic resonance, electron motion energy, resonance at the Toroid, electronic circuit resonance, etc.
Quote from: guruji on April 29, 2010, 02:46:36 PM
Hi regarding HHO yes it can be produced in abundance. I've build the Lawton Circuit and it's true it gives large quantity of gas.
Thanks
I shall check the Equivalent when I have the chance in China. Reproducing a car that runs on Brown's Gas (HHO) such as that by Stan Meyer is within our technical understanding. The Lead-Out Energy Theory predicted that possibility. Once we can use energy from the environment to break up the water molecules, the "stored energy" in Brown's Gas can be used in various ways.
Email from Wang ShenHeQuote
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Translation
Mr. Tseung: The electricity supplying the China Pavilion uses my invention. A lady representing an American called. Do you know her? She did not mention you. Sorry that we forgot to take a joint photo when we were in Weizhou. Wang ShenHe.
I watched the opening ceremony of World Expo last night. It was impressive or even spectacular. I have asked some friends who will go to Shanghai before me to take pictures of the Wang Generator in the China Pavilion. I shall also watch out for the Official News.
Comparing the Wang Device and TPU
The Wang device is special in that it does not need any starting battery. As soon as it is assembled, it will start rotating. (Or a very slight spinning from the hand is used.) The device will then continuously generate electricity. The magic is the coupling of two systems - a ferro-liquid rotational system PLUS a non-balanced magnet rotation system.
The Steven Mark TPU system appeared to require no starting batteries also. The slightly vibrating toroidal systems were shown to generate significant power. Could it be using some coupling of systems? (Two oscillating frequencies resonating with the toroidal system?)
With the Wang ShenHe electricity generator gathering inevitable World attention, funding for all types of overunity research will come. Many local Chinese Governments have spread word that they are looking for devices to fund already. Hangzhou is one of them. This is good news for the overunity or lead-out energy inventors.
Focusing on Toroids in general
With a straight Coil, when Pulsed DC is passed, there will be a distinct N and S pole. The magnetism will be stronger or weaker depending on the permeability of the core material. This can provide a flux change mechanism to lead-out electron motion energy.
With a toroidal coil, it is difficult to identify a distinct N and S pole. With different oscillating frequencies, can we produce a dual system? One system can help the other system to overcome the “dead†spots and vice versa? If this were possible, we effectively have the Steven Mark TPU. Coil windings and properties of toroid size and material may be the key. Luck and hard work will also play a part."
The Joule Thief uses a tiny toroid (or ferrite bead). Can such a tiny toroid act in similar fashion as the TPU Toroids? Is external pulsing necessary?
The Lead-Out energy theory predicts that Leading-out or bringing-in energy from the surrounding environment is possible. The best mechanism is pulsing a resonant system. That can produce oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux changes.
The picture is getting clearer and clearer in my mind. The research will focus on the Toroid.
@ itseung888, The picture is getting clearer and clearer in my mind. The research will focus on the Toroid.
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I am glad you are changing your focus to the TPU because WE NEED SOME NEW THOUGHTS on it. People here have been working on it for 3 years with NO success. Looking at it, it seems so simple with no moving parts.
Below are some weights & measurements related to his TPUs.
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12 Ounce Open Unit in the 38 Min Film.
OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps. 7 Amps with a Heat Sink.
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Small 1 Pounder, Open Coil. Took Magnet from his pocket.
OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp. 7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
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5 Inch Unit evaluated at U of C, by Dr Schinzinger
Date: 12-12-95
OD = 4 ¾â€. ID = 3 â€
Thickness = 7/8 â€
Height = 2â€
Weight = He said Very Light.
Output = 137 V at 1 Amp through a 100 W Bulb.
Luminescence Meter Measured = 2.5
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15 Inch Unit evaluated at U of C, by Dr Schinzinger
Date: 12-12-95
OD = 15â€. ID = 13 â€
Thickness = 1 â€
Height = 4â€
Weight = He said about 6 pounds.
Output = 614 V
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Small Open Coil, 1 1/2 Pounder:
OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps. 7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
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Large 17" Open Coil.
OD = 17 inches.
Height = 4 inches.
Thickness =
Weight = 6 Pounds.
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.
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SM made the above 8 inch TPU using some PLASTIC RINGS from the Commercially Manufactured Plastic Speaker Unit shown below.
If you look carefully between the cracks, you can see the SPEAKER sitting there inside the rings.
So the Bottom Line is that all of SM's TPUs are AIR CORE UNITS, with NO FERRITE or IRON cores.
Here is the LINK for 1 of his VIDEOS:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en#docid=167210479374903373
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Notice the FIBER Speaker Ring SPACERS between his fingers.
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Quote from: FatBird on May 02, 2010, 08:41:56 AM
SM made the above 8 inch TPU using some PLASTIC RINGS from the Commercially Manufactured Plastic Speaker Unit shown below.
If you look carefully between the cracks, you can see the SPEAKER sitting there inside the rings.
So the Bottom Line is that all of SM's TPUs are AIR CORE UNITS, with NO FERRITE or IRON cores.
Here is the LINK for 1 of his VIDEOS:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en#docid=167210479374903373
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Is it reasonable to use air core in the Toroid?In the Lead-out Energy concept, we rely on the flux change. With air-core, the flux change will be most rapid. There is no prolonging of the magnetic effect at a certain point as soon as the pulse is stopped.
Getting or making a pile of plastic rings with spacer is relatively easy. The secondary coil can be the continuous, relatively thick coil surrounding the entire circumference. The primary coil may have much fewer turns, also with thick wires. Even with a small Input voltage of 1.5 Volts, the Air-Coil Transformer can step up the voltage considerably.
Most electrical engineers will ignore the Pulsing Frequency â€" assuming that it would have no effect. We have now proven theoretically and experimentally that the pulsing frequency will be extremely important in leading-out surrounding energy.
The Pulsing can be done via an external signal generator, an oscillating circuit, a reed switch or some mechanical means. My gut feel is that the Steven Mark TPU uses reed switches. The oscillating circuit somehow drives the reed switches at the resonant frequency. That leads-out (or brings-in) external energy from the environment. From reading the background of Steven Mark, my gut feel is that he is not an electrical engineer and cannot design sophisticated circuits. (That is not surprising â€" as trained electrical engineers have never been taught the concept of leading-out energy. They automatically regarded bringing-in of energy from the environment as heresy. Not only would they NOT work on it but they might also laugh at others who “wasted†time on such stupid and fruitless research.)
Our experiment is likely to be:
1. Use air-coil toroids with diameter of around 16 cm. (approximately 6 inches)
2. Secondary coil will cover the entire circumference. Use 16 gauge wire.
3. Primary Coil will have much less turns. Use 16 gauge wire. We may have it in multiple sections to produce a more uniform puling field.
4. The initial tests may use a signal generator and an oscilloscope to study the characteristics. The effect of the number of turns and sections of the Primary Coils can be understood.
5. The actual final configuration is likely to be reed switches, some type of resonant circuits and a starting battery. The starting battery may even be removed when resonance and feedback were successful.
@Fatbird, from your involvement with the TPU, do you know of any one working along such thoughts? What kind of results did they get?
Itseung888, I just started a NEW THREAD on what we know so far.
Please click on this link to see what we know. So far, nobody here on O/U has been able to make one.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9127.0
I am glad you are interested because we need some new thoughts on it.
Thanks.
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Quote from: FatBird on May 03, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Itseung888, I just started a NEW THREAD on what we know so far.
Please click on this link to see what we know. So far, nobody here on O/U has been able to make one.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9127.0
I am glad you are interested because we need some new thoughts on it.
Thanks.
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Air Coil and back EMF One of the questions often asked relating to the Tong Po Chi Wheel is:
Why is the Input Voltage so low? The battery is 12 V. Even if we assume the duty cycle (related to no magnetic interaction time) is 20%, we should still get over 2V. The usual answer is that the back EMF will be fed back to the Input reducing the power requirement.
The Coils in the Tong Po Chi Wheel are air coils. They are not as efficient as the toroidal coils. Thus it is perfectly reasonable for the TPU to use air coils. Ferrite core is not needed to lead-out energy. We may even try to use air coils on the Joule Thief.
This will be an interesting direction to take in our research.
Quote from: ltseung888 on April 27, 2010, 06:55:23 PM
Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJOAqPYmkk&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9099
....
My coming report in China on the waiting HHO device will just be another confirmation.
The Chinese Group may be a bit disappointed that others have achieved something similar. But all these will help in the massive funding that is bound to come.
The World will benefit.
Hi Mister,
The much i appreciate your effords on OU,
the more i am concernded about the appearance that
you are trying to make this a chinese game.
Or what do you mean that the chinese Group is "disappointed"?
They should be at least happy about the fact,
that the displayed crappy chinese generator was used to archive such a result.
The next Clip could show a japanese manufacturer... ;)
If their work has helped you to get "massive funding",
you should at least donate some amount to the overunity price.
my2cent.
sushi
Quote from: sushimoto on May 04, 2010, 12:54:32 PM
Hi Mister,
The much i appreciate your effords on OU,
the more i am concernded about the appearance that
you are trying to make this a chinese game.
Or what do you mean that the chinese Group is "disappointed"?
They should be at least happy about the fact,
that the displayed crappy chinese generator was used to archive such a result.
The next Clip could show a japanese manufacturer... ;)
If their work has helped you to get "massive funding",
you should at least donate some amount to the overunity price.
my2cent.
sushi
Dear sushi,
It is natural for every individual to cheer for his National Achievements. According to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, the person who first thought of the pulled pendulum that Lead-out gravitational energy â€" Japan is far ahead of the World in the development of fuelless, motionless electricity generators. He went to Japan multiple times and saw actual working products.
According to him, the products were not sold to the Public because of “Politicsâ€. As soon as an Overunity Product is accepted in the Market, the Japanese Manufacturer(s) will be able to roll out their products. Lee also believes that many Governments are already well-advanced in their Overunity Research but are keeping the information top-secret because of the military significance.
Since individual citizens like me cannot manage such “Politicsâ€, I decided to pursue the research without worrying about such “Politicsâ€. We have developed the crappy Tong Wheel on a shoe-string budget - many volunteered their efforts. We plan to continue our research even with no external support or funding. Wang Shen He took the other approach â€" received massive State funding and support. However, he is not allowed to freely express himself on the Internet. I believe many top researchers in many Government top-secret organizations are way ahead in the overunity research. But we may be able to benefit the World more with our open approach.
Quote from: ltseung888 on May 04, 2010, 08:48:14 AM
Air Coil and back EMF
The Coils in the Tong Po Chi Wheel are air coils. They are not as efficient as the toroidal coils.
As I understand it, air coils collect less power, but take less time to charge and discharge. They are good for high speed use and for high frequency use.
Shaky old hands at work again.
I just finished building the Joule Thief Charger Circuit. It is essentially the Joule Thief with a weak battery placed behind the LED. Since I do not have a rechargeable battery at hand, I just used the multimeter to check.
It appears that there may be enough output Pulsing voltage to recharge a 1.5V battery.
Achieving Overunity via Pulsing Resonant Circuits
The task is not easy. One must develop the skills to select the right components and the building techniques. Some luck is also involved. without the dogged determination, one is unlikely to succeed. ;) ;)
Recharging of non-rechargeable, "almost dead" batteries
I used my Joule Thief Charger to recharge non-rechargeable, almost dead batteries. That was suggested by many postings on the Internet. It is supposed to be impossible. I first encountered that with the Joseph Newman Claim related to his invention.
Now, I am a believer - as I can do it with a less than USD10 investment. The LED kept going out at the beginning. I kept trying by keeping and tightening the connections. After about 3 minutes, the LED was steady. The voltage across the "almost dead" battery began to rise.
Energy from the environment must be coming into the system. The voltage across both the charging batter on the RHS and the weak battery on the LHS were not steady DC. Need to research more.
Checking the battery waveforms
The first picture is the waveform of the source battery. It is NOT steady even though the meter is place across the two ends of the battery directly. Some fluctuation or oscillation of voltage is evident.
The second picture is the waveform of the battery to be recharged. The voltage across the battery is also fluctuating. Some fluctuation or oscillation voltage is evident.
The next step in the research is to check the frequency of this fluctuation. Can the fluctuation be increased with different toroid size, material or number of windings? Will the addition of capacitors affect the waveform? Is it possible to achieve a resonance condition that can conclusively demonstrate overunity?
The next set of experiments
Now that the basic Joule Thief and the modified Joule Thief charger worked, what should we do next?
It is clear in my mind that the Joule Thief can be made into a Lead-out Energy Device drawing energy from the environment and demonstrating overunity.
We cannot modify the frequency of the transistor easily. However, we can add capacitors to turn the Joule Thief into a LCR resonant circuit. We can do that for both the input and output. We can change the core material and core windings. That is expected to be a major factor in achieving resonance. We can even try air core â€" making the toroid an effective TPU.
I shall attack the problem in two fronts. The first front is air coils. This can be achieved by winding on plastic rings or hollow discs. I have a gut feel that we can retain the Basic Joule Thief functionality. At the same time, we may be one step closer to the TPU.
The second front is the LCR resonant circuits. I shall use the Gadgetmail Overunity Prize Entry as a starting point. If it works, the Prize Money should go to Gadgetmail to help his cancer treatment and enhance his reputation.
We must be guided by the Almighty. How can old shaky hands and eyes that need magnifying glasses to read newspapers achieve such successes? With the continued blessing, FLEET will come out to benefit the World.
Experiment on May 9, 2010
The air core experiment was successful I used two "rubber washers" instead of the ferrite beads. All three cores shown were successful.
This means our research is going a step closer to TPU. I shall try to use air core for the coming experiments. This means looking for plastic rings or discs (or washers).
The 10 cm air core toroid
I decided to experiment on the 10 cm (4 inch) diamete toroid. I used ordinary household lamp-wire and wound it on the circular ring of sticking tapes which I happened to have.
The experiment was successful. The LED lighted brightly. It looks more and more like the TPU now. The electronics so far are tiny and could be hidder easily behind the green tape. It is a matter of getting the correct resonant circuit for Input and Output.
The next thing to try may be a step-up transformer arrangement. The Basic Joule Theif Circuit will be modified. The 1.5V DC Input will be stepped up to at least 15V and see if charging of 12V batteries are possible.
Lawrence:
Good to see you again. With that sized toroid you can easily get over 2,000 volts, with the AA battery input. I have done this, Jeanna did it first and then Lidmotor. It is a matter of tuning your circuit to the toroid to hit resonance. Check out our Joule Thief topic to see detailed information on how to do this, or PM me and I will try to explain it if you need me to.
I have be fascinated by this circuit for years now. It is so simple and basic yet just look at what folks have been able to do with it. I thought I was in the lead lighting 400 leds from a single AA bat. and lighting a 48" long tube but now many folks have surpassed me.
I really believe we are just in the beginning stages of understanding this circuit.
Tell Forever I said hello.
Bill
Dear ltseung888,
I appreciate your effort, in explaining step by step. Thanks for all.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 09, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
Lawrence:
Good to see you again. With that sized toroid you can easily get over 2,000 volts, with the AA battery input. I have done this, Jeanna did it first and then Lidmotor. It is a matter of tuning your circuit to the toroid to hit resonance. Check out our Joule Thief topic...
...by which you mean this, I presume:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg240847#new
Quote from: ltseung888 on May 09, 2010, 07:23:29 AM
The 10 cm air core toroid
I decided to experiment on the 10 cm (4 inch) diamete toroid. I used ordinary household lamp-wire and wound it on the circular ring of sticking tapes which I happened to have.
The experiment was successful. The LED lighted brightly. It looks more and more like the TPU now. The electronics so far are tiny and could be hidder easily behind the green tape. It is a matter of getting the correct resonant circuit for Input and Output.
The next thing to try may be a step-up transformer arrangement. The Basic Joule Theif Circuit will be modified. The 1.5V DC Input will be stepped up to at least 15V and see if charging of 12V batteries are possible.
Looking like a TPU and FUNCTIONING like a TPU are "worlds" apart. Steven Mark Powered banks of bulb, drills, tv's etc., all at the same time. Lighting an LED is fun, but never to be compared to a Toroidal Power Unit. Sorry.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 09, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
Lawrence:
Good to see you again. With that sized toroid you can easily get over 2,000 volts, with the AA battery input. I have done this, Jeanna did it first and then Lidmotor. It is a matter of tuning your circuit to the toroid to hit resonance. Check out our Joule Thief topic to see detailed information on how to do this, or PM me and I will try to explain it if you need me to.
I have be fascinated by this circuit for years now. It is so simple and basic yet just look at what folks have been able to do with it. I thought I was in the lead lighting 400 leds from a single AA bat. and lighting a 48" long tube but now many folks have surpassed me.
I really believe we are just in the beginning stages of understanding this circuit.
Tell Forever I said hello.
Bill
Thank you for your advice and your PM. Your PM contains extremely important information for all toroid researchers. I should have read it first. I am reproducing it here.
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This will work on the simple basic JT bifilar wound circuit. Replace your resistor with a 5k or 10k variable resistor. Slowly turn the vr and watch your led. When your led reaches maximum brightness, stop. Measure the resistance on your vr and then you can replace it with a resistor of that value. Or, you can leave the vr in place if you want. Note that if you go past the brightest point, it will begin to dim.
My multimeter suddenly stopped working when I was changing capacitors. I hope that it was just a blown fuse internally or something simple. There were many warnings that instruments could be damaged at resonance. Your technique may be a cheap way out. I shall be “out of action†while the meter is being repaired.
If I did hit “resonance†and got surges of voltage and current from the lead-out energy as predicted by the Lead-out Theory, a damaged multimeter would be a small price to pay. It will be a matter of mastering such “runaway†energy. If we are sure that energy can be led-out or drawn-in at such an environment, we can design circuits to control it. The problem should be much simpler than runaway nuclear reactions. :D :D
Another two air-core Toroids
I built two more air-core toroids. One is the standard winding as recommended in the simple Joule Thief. The other was wound with one complete layer in the inside. Then a continuous three section outer layer was wound on top.
Both toroids worked in the standard Joule Thief Circuit. Without the waveform multimeter, I could not do much.
The charging of non-rechargeable batteries was only good up to a point. I swapped the batteries a few times. Both ran down. There were flashing periods of the LED. The LED was still on with less brightness.
I now have rechargeable batteries. I put them on and see what happens. The best scenario is that they could recharge each other forever with lead-out A. The next experiment is likely to be adding capacitors to the Joule Thief Charger. The focus will be using air-core coils.
*** I focus on air-core because I would like to minimize damping effects. Magnetic permeability material will have lingering magnetism and that can be considered as damping. Hunting for resonance means avoiding damping. ***
Just added a capacitor to make circuit closer to LCR circult.
Joule Thief continued to work. LED remained on.
Quote from: ltseung888 on May 11, 2010, 04:21:45 AM
Another two air-core Toroids
*** I focus on air-core because I would like to minimize damping effects. Magnetic permeability material will have lingering magnetism and that can be considered as damping. Hunting for resonance means avoiding damping. ***
That is very interesting and something that I have wondered about using air core for a JT. It seems one line of thinking says that iron or ferrite will magnify power but the other line of thinking is that air core will avoid damping and increase resonance. It seems it would be worth trying air core. Good luck with it.
Flashing Joule Thief
After adding a 680 microfarad capacitor to my air core joule thief, it turned to a flashing joule thief. I checked for loose connections. Everything appeared to be firm.
The flashing speed is low and observable â€" about 100 flashes per minute. I can use this feature on my Christmas tree this year.
The more interesting question is â€" what is happening here? Some type of “pulsing†must be happening? Pulsing is likely to lead-out electromagnetic energy. Are we having some sort of resonance? I missed my multimeter. May need to borrow an oscilloscope again.
Lawrence:
All leds lit by a joule thief circuit flash, that is part of their magic. They are off just as much as they are on. ( give or take) Now, if you get your frequency higher, this flashing will take place so fast, your eye "thinks" it is on all the time but it is not.
Most of the JT's that we have been playing with operate in the 20khz range or higher. Anything flashing faster than about 60-70 hz or so will appear on to your eye.
It is these pulses that are the "magic" of this type of circuit. You can fill a large supercap with these pulses and get back constant energy. We have covered this and much more over in the jt topic area. Welcome to the fun.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 11, 2010, 07:31:42 PM
Lawrence:
All A lit by a joule thief circuit flash, that is part of their magic. They are off just as much as they are on. ( give or take) Now, if you get your frequency higher, this flashing will take place so fast, your eye "thinks" it is on all the time but it is not.
Most of the JT's that we have been playing with operate in the 20khz range or higher. Anything flashing faster than about 60-70 hz or so will appear on to your eye.
It is these pulses that are the "magic" of this type of circuit. You can fill a large supercap with these pulses and get back constant energy. We have covered this and much more over in the jt topic area. Welcome to the fun.
Bill
@Bill, Thanks for the valuable information. The large air toroid can produce flash frequency in the 100Hz range and lasted the entire night. I even managed to get the small ferrite core toroid to flash but the frequency was too high to count. I shall “play†with the large air core toroid and see if there are anything “strangeâ€. It looks like I have to partner with some local universities to get access to their much better equipment. My contact with one of the Universities suspected that I might have “hit†on an overunity joule thief â€" the preliminary results from their much more sophisticated instruments indicated a possible overunity. Just like any university researcher, he wants to be absolutely sure before publishing or saying anything in public.
What is your opinion on the Gadgetmail circuit? Is it worth continuing? Do you think that your joule thief that can power 400 LEDs is already an overunity device?
I am confident that electron motion energy is lead-out in the Joule Thief or the TPU environment. The Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, Don Smith claims are not hoaxes. I already have the Tong Wheel available for verification â€" Output Power is greater than Input Power. Hopefully, with the blessing of the Almighty and plenty of hard work, I shall have a Motionless Electricity Generator to share with all. A fleet of FLEETs will come to benefit the World.
The slow flashing joule thief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29q2nKdxmOQ
Lawrence:
I know of no JT circuit that has been proven to be OU at this time. This does not mean that there are not any....only that this has not been proven...yet.
I hope this helps.
And no, my 400 leds JT circuit was not OU. Just a very efficient circuit but, I learned some things that might lead to OU eventually.
Bill
Preliminary Results
Got my Multimeter back. The immediate results of the two joule thief after 80 hours of continuous running are:
1. Air Core with standard JT winding : dropped from 1.62V to 0.83V
2. Air Core with 2 layers: dropped from 1.62V to 0.63V
Case 1 is the flashing LED. It is not surprising that the current drawn was smaller.
Used my DC Power Supply Unit instead of battery on the Joule Thief Circuits.
The LED lites as if a battery is used.
Lee: “How long do you think it will take someone to hit on a resonance condition?â€
Tseung: “At this moment in time, we know that the factors include the size of the toroid, the winding technique used, the resonance circuit at the primary and the resonant circuit at the secondary. We also know that the type of power supply does not seem to have much difference. If we focus on the air core, we do not worry about the property of the ferrite material. We can use signal generators to change the oscillator frequency.â€
Lee: “There are too macny factors involved. Do you have a simple formula that can predict the values of resistors, inductors, capacitors, etc. to be used?â€
Tseung: “No. I do not have a formula. We have information from the Internet that some people have achieved overunity results. Most of them are individuals working on shoestring budgets.â€
Lee: “So it is a matter of luck whether one can achieve resonance. It could be a waste of time.â€
Tseung: “It one does not even try, one will not have luck.â€
Chan: “One percent luck and 99% perspiration!â€
The flashing JT
The video is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrP37pjGVw
More information on the waveform as recorded on the waveform feature of the Multimeter.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings innovate Foundation Limited
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Greetings ltseung888 .
I am planning on building one of these coils. Seeing your posts on the matter I was going to ask for your help when I do. For right now I would like to see your opinion on the new double coil drawing thats been posted. This is an interesting turn of events.
Frank
The preliminary experiment with the two layer coil on the Joule Thief was successful. I shall try to modify it to illustrate the step-up voltage and current function at the same time. The part I shall focus on is whether there will be output power gain. If that happens, it would be a clear case of lead-out energy.
Explaining the action of the joule thief circuit shown
Let me explain the action in the following steps.
1. The battery is not connected yet. The transistor 2N2222 will be in the OFF state. In this state, the resistance between the emitter and the collector (points f and e) will be very high. This is the property of the transistor.
2. Now the battery is connected, there will be current flowing because of the closed circuit. The effective resistance on the path a-b-c-f is low compared with the path d-e-f. Thus there will be more current passing through the path a-b-c-f. The transistor 2N2222 will be turned ON.
3. In the 2N2222 ON state, the resistance between the emitter and the collector (points f and e) will be very low. More current will flow along the path d-e-f. The drain of current on path a-b-c-f may be so low as to turn the transistor 2N2222 OFF.
4. The resistance between the emitter and the collector (points f and e) will be high again. More current will flow through the path a-b-c-f and turn the 2N2222 ON again.
5. The above steps 2 to 4 will repeat, producing a switching action (or pulsing)
6. There is more to that because of the action of the toroid. The toroid should act like a one-to-one transformer with both limbs acting as primary and secondary at the same time. This also forces a fluctuating (Pulsing) action.
7. The lead-out energy theory says that external energy (electron motion energy) can be lead-out or drawn-in. This extra externally supplied energy will show itself in the higher voltage and current.
8. The higher voltage (much greater than the 1.5V as supplied by the battery) will light the LED. The LED requires 3V to be turned ON. A normal one-to-one transformer will not be able to step up the voltage. But the lead-out energy mechanism can help to achieve that.
9. When we put the extra Capacitor into the circuit, the path a-b-c-f represents a well-known LCR resonance circuit. This will provide an oscillating (pulsing) action. This may help in the lead-out energy mechanism.
10. Thus the tuning involves the selection of the transistor, the toroid, the LCR values. The toroid will have a certain mechanical and electrical resonance. It may be a matching of such resonances that can lead-out a significant amount of electron motion energy.
11. The Gadgetmail circuit has LCR circuits on both the primary and the secondary side. He could have hit on a resonance condition. With combination of mechanical and electric circuit resonance, any addition of testing equipment will change that delicate condition.
12. Thus the difficulty will be â€" a resonance setup with no test equipment may be different from that with test equipment. We may have to hunt for a setup with test equipment to conclusively show that Output energy can be greater than Input energy. Retune everything without test equipment.
13. My gut feel is that the Gadgetmail circuit or similar without an external signal generator may work. The transistor switch frequency may not be as important as the toroid and LCR frequency matching.
14. We may experiment in both directios â€" with and without external signal generators.
The above explanation may not be 100% correct. But it makes it very clear in my mind as to the experimental direction we should take. I pray that the Almighty will continue to guide us to benefit the World.
A good question on Magnetism
In the simple experiment shown, the top arrangement will not attract the small Soft Iron. The frictional force on the surface would prevent any movement.
When a piece of Long Soft iron is put in as shown in the bottom picture, the small Soft Iron will be attracted and move towards the LHS.
If we think in terms of Energy alone, the above experimental result does not make sense. Some energy must be spent to turn the Long Soft iron into a “weak magnetâ€. Where does the “extra energy†come from?
One way is to think that the extra energy is a form of Lead-Out Energy (energy from the environment). The electrons orbiting around the Long Soft iron already have energy. However their directions are random and thus show no net magnetic force and could not do work. These molecules or dipoles will be “aligned†by the Permanent Magnet. Some energy will be spent to align them. However, the resultant setup is that the aligned setup will exhibit itself as a weak magnet. The weak magnet is capable of doing work.
We can treat this as using some magnetic energy from the Permanent Magnet to Lead-Out the existing electron motion energy from the Long Soft iron. The Long Soft iron will use some of the energy to “strengthen†the magnetic field of the Permanent Magnet! The magnetic field strength at the small Soft iron is made stronger and not weaker!
In the Lead-Out Energy Theory, we can treat molecule A changes the magnetic orientation of its neighboring molecule B. Some energy is extracted or lead-out or draw-in from molecule B. This in turn will get molecule B to change the magnetic orientation of its neighboring molecule C. Some energy is extracted or lead-out or draw-in from molecule C. Such drawing in effect propagates in a three dimensional direction.
Theoretically, we can think of the drawing-in of energy will propagate to the entire universe â€" just like a ripple on the surface of the water. The effect diminishes quickly with distance in a three dimensional fashion and the type of material in between.
If this concept of Lead-Out energy is correct, we can imagine at any point, we can theoretically extract the energy from the entire universe! This fits in with the concept of zero point energy. Some claimed that the zero point energy is extremely large. If any point in space can draw in the electron motion of the entire universe, the energy available is definitely extremely large.
We do not need to worry about lead-out electron motion energy ever running out! The Universe itself is not static. It can be expanding as predicted by the Big Bang Theory. Or parts of it may fall into Black Holes.
The above explanation is well within the framework of existing Physics. The energy source of the many overunity devices is no longer a mystery. It is a matter of discovering the mechanisms to lead-out such electron motion energy. We are reasonably sure that one of such mechanisms is to pulse near the oscillating or resonance frequency of a system.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
A new understanding of resonance from the Lead-out Energy theory
One aspect of resonance is the enormous rise in amplitude when the system is pulsed at the resonance frequency. The pulsing amplitude may be the same a few hertz before the resonance. The resulting amplitude gain of the system is much smaller. It is not a linear increase. It is an exponential increase.
An exponential increase will occur if there is lead-out A involved. For example if the COP is 1.5, on a loopback situation, the increase will be 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 ….. in repeated loopbacks. This explains the exponential increase.
Let us examine the same situation in another way. Assume that we supply 100 units of energy at each pulse. If there were no lead-out energy, the energy increase will be X + 100 units in the first pulse, X +200 in the second pulse, X +300 in the third pulse. The energy increase in the system will be linear.
However if there were lead-out energy with a COP of 1.5, (100 units will lead-out 50 units), the energy increase with loopback will be:
In the first Pulse, energy in the system = X + 100 units
In the second Pulse, the energy in the system = (1.5 x (X + 100)) + 100
In the third Pulse, the energy in the system = (1.5 x (1.5 x (X +100))) + 100
Let us assume X = 0, the values will still be:
First Pulse = 100 units
Second Pulse = 150+100 = 250 units
Third Pulse = (1.5x250)+100 = 475 units
The standard Physics textbooks did not consider the Lead-Out energy from pulsing and thus the exponential behavior at resonance was never clearly understood nor explained.
Our lead-out energy machines operate with loopback at close to (or even at) the resonance frequency. We need to extract enough energy out so that the loopback energy into the system would not “burnt out†the system. We already “burnt out†some meters and some electronic components.
Once we accept the lead-out energy theory, the task boils down to “control†of this extra energy. One simple technique is to pulse with a periodic quiet period. The Stan Meyer diagram calls this as “gating†or idle time. The analogy is to push the swing a few times and stop for a few swings before pushing again. This means we need to introduce a timer in our Pulsing Circuit. Without the pulsing, the lead-out energy mechanism will stop. This will prevent the “burnt outâ€. We may be able to operate very close to or even at the resonance frequency with loopback. This mechanism appears to be ignored or not understood by most OU researchers.
*** We have such an idle time ratio function in our signal generator. We already found that a high ratio of idle time appeared to give us better performance in some situations.
Comments from Dr. Weber, a trained Physicist Quote from: ltseung888 on May 22, 2010, 08:52:24 AM
A good question on Magnetism
One way is to think that the A A is a form of Lead-Out Energy (energy from the environment). The electrons orbiting around the Long Soft iron already have energy. However their directions are random and thus show no net magnetic force and could not do work. These molecules or dipoles will be “aligned†by the Permanent Magnet. Some energy will be spent to align them. However, the resultant setup is that the aligned setup will exhibit itself as a weak magnet. The weak magnet is capable of doing work.
We can treat this as using some magnetic energy from the Permanent Magnet to Lead-Out the existing electron motion energy from the Long Soft iron. The Long Soft iron will use some of the energy to “strengthen†the magnetic field of the Permanent Magnet! The magnetic field strength at the small Soft iron is made stronger and not weaker!
In the Lead-Out Energy Theory, we can treat molecule A changes the magnetic orientation of its neighboring molecule B. Some energy is extracted or lead-out or draw-in from molecule B. This in turn will get molecule B to change the magnetic orientation of its neighboring molecule C. Some energy is extracted or lead-out or draw-in from molecule C. Such drawing in effect propagates in a three dimensional direction.
Theoretically, we can think of the drawing-in of energy will propagate to the entire universe â€" just like a ripple on the surface of the water. The effect diminishes quickly with distance in a three dimensional fashion and the type of material in between.
If this concept of Lead-Out energy is correct, we can imagine at any point, we can theoretically extract the energy from the entire universe! This fits in with the concept of zero point energy. Some claimed that the zero point energy is extremely large. If any point in space can draw in the electron motion of the entire universe, the energy available is definitely extremely large.
We do not need to worry about lead-out electron motion energy ever running out! The Universe itself is not static. It can be expanding as predicted by the Big Bang Theory. Or parts of it may fall into Black Holes.
The above explanation is well within the framework of existing Physics. The energy source of the many overunity devices is no longer a mystery. It is a matter of discovering the mechanisms to lead-out such electron motion energy. We are reasonably sure that one of such mechanisms is to pulse near the oscillating or resonance frequency of a system.
Dr. Weber: “I found your ideas controversial and refreshing. The first idea is that you can draw-in gravitational energy via a horizontal pull. The draw-in energy can be 50% of the supplied horizontal energy.â€
Tseung: “That is correct. You can re-work the mathematics to confirm it.â€
Dr. Weber: “I did. That is why I find the idea refreshing. Your idea confirms to standard, classical physics. The only problem is that no professor nor textbook described the pulled pendulum in your fashion.â€
Tseung: “Well, Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was the first one to discover that.â€
Dr. Weber: “The other concept you raised in your magnetism post above is even more refreshing. You are saying that the lead-out energy in the magnetic environment can be compared with a permanent magnet affecting a soft iron. What I like is the scenario of
(1) The Permanent Magnet spends some energy to align the molecules of the Long Soft Iron.
(2) The Long Soft Iron molecules or dipoles feed back their electron motion energy to refurnish the spent energy and further strengthen the Magnetic Field of the Permanent Magnet.
(3) The above can be verified easily by experiment.
(4) Your comparison with the ripple is refreshing. In the case of the ripple, energy is dissipated or propagated out. In the Lead-Out Energy case, energy is drawn-in via the step 1 and 2 mechanism.
(5) The theoretical drawing-in of the electron motion energy from the entire universe is extremely refreshing. I laughed at it initially. But on further thought, I realized that such a scenario is allowed by classical physics. If steps 1 and 2 are correct, such a conclusion is logical.â€
Tseung: “That is easy. We shall do such an experiment and show the results on this forum and on youtube. Some Forum Members may beat me to it in performing such an experiment.â€
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How can we determine the resonnce frequency of a toroidal core transformer?
I would like to determine the electric or magnetic resonance frequency of the several toroidal coils I wound.
Any suggestions?
Tseung, it is clear that you will have a FLEET developed sooner or later. (You might even have developed it. You already have the Tong Wheel to demonstrate but that have not benefited the World or your Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation.)
Have you noticed that some members who helped you in this forum disappeared? They are likely to have achieved some type of overunity configuration as well.
How many people in this World will share freely without compensation - when they know that their overunity device is worth billions in the market place? NONE. Especially after I knocked at their hearts!
Steven Mark showed the Video to the potential investors - NOT the actual prototype - unless the investor put in actual cash. For an inventor, as soon as the prototype is delivered, his value diminishes. The engineers can then take over to make products. This is why so many overunity inventors refuse to sell one or two prototypes. They are afraid that others will copy.
What are the safeguards that your goal of benefiting the World can be achieved?
From your theory and experiments, the Joule Thief can be modified to demonstrate overunity. You can help Gadgetmail to win the overunity prize. But will that help or benefit the World? How will the World Order change?
Quote from: ltseung888 on May 24, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
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How can we determine the resonnce frequency of a toroidal core transformer?
...Any suggestions?
Put an ammeter in series with your toroid, a resistor of some sort and a signal generator.
Set the sig-gen to 0.
Wind the sig-gen up whilst watching the ammeter.
You should notice the needle go down, pause at its minimum, and as the sig-gen
is increased further, the needle will increase.
The frequency at the minimum will be the resonant frequency for that LR circuit, noting
that the figure depends on the value of your safety resistor. You will need to change
this resistor for something nearer in value to the resistance of your actual circuit, and
then repeat the performance. Have a glance at this:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/5.html
Paul-r
Quote from: Paul-R on May 29, 2010, 10:21:21 AM
Put an ammeter in series with your toroid, a resistor of some sort and a signal generator.
Set the sig-gen to 0.
Wind the sig-gen up whilst watching the ammeter.
You should notice the needle go down, pause at its minimum, and as the sig-gen
is increased further, the needle will increase.
The frequency at the minimum will be the resonant frequency for that LR circuit, noting
that the figure depends on the value of your safety resistor. You will need to change
this resistor for something nearer in value to the resistance of your actual circuit, and
then repeat the performance. Have a glance at this:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/5.html
Paul-r
Dear Paul-R,
Thank you for your excellent input. I also found a similar technique when applied to my Joule Thief type circuits. I used the signal generator in place of the battery. The brightness of the LED varied with frequency. There were "sweet spots" showing characteristic resonance behavior. At certain frequencies, the LED was much brighter. The LED turned dimmer when I changed the frequency below or above that certain frequency.
I believe I can get my Joule thief circuits to demonstrate overunity. The Lead-out Energy theory predicts that. The bright LED spots seem to have lower input power (lower voltage and current) while the output power (both voltage and current) increased. I shall get some better equipment to confirm the above results.
I think we should avoid digital meters.
Don't forget that the ammeter has a resistance which should be
added in.
It might be better to remove the ammeter in series and instead
measure the voltage across the resistor.
(There is such a thing as a Grid Dip Oscillator but I have no idea
how it works).
Don't forget that this technique works for the driving coil but not the others.
The other coils on the toroid, containing probably R elements along with
I and C ingredients, will need to be tuned to the frequency already established
by having their R, and/or I and/or C varied.
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The above is from Mr. Wang Shen He. Please contact him via phone or email directly.
Tseung, you can see the Wang example.
His wheel is supposed to have been funded and produced.
It is supposed to be showing in the World Expo.
Wang Shen He himself revealed his phone number, email and posts in the Chinese Discussion Forums. Why is it not getting the Publicity it deserved?
You must understand that a free energy device posts such a threat to the established authorities that they had to suppress it.
It was like the old days â€" the gun wiped out the army with swords and arrows. The emperors at that time wanted tight control of the development of gun-powder and related weapons in China. History is repeating itself here.
Your Tong wheel will be “destroyedâ€, burnt or buried. It will meet the same fate as the Adams Motor etc.
Your FLEET devices will meet the same fate. It does not matter whether it can demonstrate overunity. It may show the same functionality as the Steven Mark TPU. It will not see day light.
Quote from: Devil on June 13, 2010, 03:34:16 AM
Your Tong wheel will be “destroyedâ€, burnt or buried. It will meet the same fate as the Adams Motor etc.
Your FLEET devices will meet the same fate.
How do imagine that "they" will be able to arrange that projects are" ' destroyed', burnt or buried" if those projects are essentially DIY?
If you want an Adams motor, build one.
Mr Tseung,
I wanted to bring this to your attention.
I mentioned it in another thread... so I will post a quote of that.
QuoteRe: falling capacitor charges?
« Reply #5 on: Monday June 14th at 02:20:58 AM »
If you think a falling capacitor that charges is interesting,
YOU would definitely be interested in a Capacitor that Charges itself !
I have an Electrolytic 330 uf Cap that has charged up to 1336 mV or 1.336 V in about a week and a half.
All by itself !
The process is called Dielectric Absorption and is caused by Electric Dipoles that stay lined up.
Much like iron gets slightly magnetized.
As far as I can tell.. this is measurable free energy.
If I discharge it... it will start all over again.
Check it out if you can... test a used Electrolytic Cap.
1. Discharge it.
2. Let it sit.
3. Test with a Voltmeter on the mV setting.
Let the walls tumble,
The Observer
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on June 13, 2010, 08:34:11 PM
Mr Tseung,
I wanted to bring this to your attention.
I mentioned it in another thread... so I will post a quote of that.
The Observer
Thank you for your information. It actually helps to confirm one of the theories I am working on.
Quote from: ltseung888 on May 18, 2010, 05:57:40 PM
The preliminary experiment with the two layer coil on the Joule Thief was successful. I shall try to modify it to illustrate the step-up voltage and current function at the same time. The part I shall focus on is whether there will be output power gain. If that happens, it would be a clear case of lead-out energy.
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Quote from: ltseung888 on May 18, 2010, 11:57:40 PM
The preliminary experiment with the two layer coil on the Joule Thief was successful. I shall try to modify it to illustrate the step-up voltage and current function at the same time. The part I shall focus on is whether there will be output power gain. If that happens, it would be a clear case of lead-out energy.
Dear Glennmr,
You guessed right. We have solved the hunting for resonance problem and can achieve overunity results anytime with any suitable core and circuits. The theoretical breakthrough is â€" overthrow all previous teaching of resonance. Energy has always been lead-out or draw-in from the surrounding. At non-resonance frequencies or pulsing, the pulsing forces counter each other and drown the lead-out energy.
At the resonance frequency or its harmonics and with the correct feedback mechanism, the energy entering the system will be exponential. If the COP is 1.5 and the extra pulse energy is 100 units, the increase in energy can be 0, 100, 250, 475….. etc. The increase is definitely exponential.This is being hotly debated in the academic circles of Hong Kong. Top academics from Tsinghua, Beijing, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College etc. have been invited. We also have the conclusive experimental setup. The Tong Wheel is at Hong Kong University and a version of FLEET will be available for verification with two oscilloscopes measuring the INPUT and OUTPUT energy simultaneously.
We have very interested investors. The choice facing me is â€" should I get the help of these investors and get products out to benefit the World? The chance of Forum Members with shoe-string budgets producing workable products is close to zero.
As I mentioned multiple times in this Forum, I shall not receive any royalty or financial rewards. The investors can donate to Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. They should consider donating 10% of the net profit to a charitable organization of their choice or to Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. If they are willing to do that, they will learn the secret (or the magic) of FLEET from me earlier so that they can produce the product and make some good money. There is a strong chance of licensing to multiple manufacturers internationally.
I expect that there will be multiple Companies working on different FLEET products at the same time. The World will benefit together.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
dear Lawrence
Thankyou for affirming that i guessed right :) I trust that you are right too! You wrote ''We have solved the hunting for resonance problem and can achieve overunity results anytime with any suitable core and circuits.'' - well my designs also incorporate a cubic core - see my latest redesign attached, with a set of magnets and coils surrounding it, that should be intriguing to a discerning eye!=
It is precisely a ''Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnet''!
I have also taken another look at your page at http://www.energyfromair.com/innovation/Presentation.htm#presentation. Also, i like your wording ''Energy has always been lead-out or draw-in from the surrounding(s)'' - it seems to me that expressions such as ''lead-in'' and ''lead-out'' are typical to the Chinese way of thinking, even in classroom education - am i correct?
Now as for the guy at the Shanghai Expo - is he actually displaying his device in PUBLIC? - if so, it would be wort a trip up there just to see it!
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 17, 2010, 07:10:11 PM
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We have solved the hunting for resonance problem and can achieve overunity results anytime with any suitable core and circuits.
...
Please let us know when it will be done, with evidence of the experiment and schematics for the duplication.
It will surely be more profitable than verbiage with magical words as " Lead-Out energy".
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 17, 2010, 07:10:11 PM
At the resonance frequency or its harmonics...
I think this should be "at the resonant frequency or its octaves"
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I think this should be "at the resonant frequency or its octaves"
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Thanks for the better wording.
Quote from: exnihiloest on June 18, 2010, 07:42:26 AM
Please let us know when it will be done, with evidence of the experiment and schematics for the duplication.
It will surely be more profitable than verbiage with magical words as " Lead-Out energy".
The investors want you to buy the products - not to replicate them for free!
The discussion with a potential investor
Investor: “How can I be sure that I am not being cheated? How can I be confident that the demonstration is not a hoax?â€
Tseung: “You can find a top academic or an expert that you can trust. Let him examine the Tong Wheel. If he is not convinced that is an overunity device, walk away. You do not need to pay us any money for that. That is a free gift to the World.â€
Investor: “But that can only generate 2-3 watts. It is not practical.â€
Tseung: “That demonstrates that we have the basic technology. The lead-out energy theory is correct. Your expert can also read all about FLEET at overunity.com. If he can figure out how to construct one, let him do it. You do not need to pay us any money.â€
Investor: “I do not mind spending money to make money. Tell me how much money do I need to invest and what are the returns?â€
Tseung: “The best thing is for you to come in as a group. Each of you can put in HK$2 million. Get no more than 10 persons. 10% or HK$2 million will be donated to Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. That amount will be used to produce a Book and a DIY toy. The proceeds of the Book and the DIY toy will go into the operation of Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. The rest will be treated as a loan to the Operating Company XYZ. If Company XYZ is successful and profitable, 50% of the net profit will be used to repay this loan first. The Investors will get the total initial investment of HK$20 million back first plus 50% of the shares of Company XYZ. In other words, the investors put in a total of HK$20million for 50% of the Company XYZ. The valuation of the Company XYZ at the investment stage is HK$40 million.â€
Investor: “What happens if Company XYZ were not successful?â€
Tseung: “You will lose some or all of your investment. The Investors may put a financial controller or accountant to monitor the spending on a daily basis of Company XYZ. There will be 4 Directors. The Investors may appoint 2.â€
Investor: “Can I see a demonstration of FLEET similar to the Steven Mark Video first? Lighting a 220V, 100 watt light bulb for 100 hours is fine. If I have that product to sell exclusively worldwide for six month first, I am happy to write the check of HK$20 million together with my friends.â€
Tseung: “You have to wait if you want to see that demonstration. However, you can immediately see, with your experts, the Tong Wheel. You can also see the overunity FLEET demonstration. There will be an oscilloscope displaying the instantaneous voltage and instantaneous current on the Input side. You can see the waveforms. The product will give the instantaneous Input power. You can confirm with your expert that such a measurement is the most accurate measurement of Input power. It does not matter whether the Input is AC or DC, pulsed or have any waveform. Similarly, there will be an oscilloscope on the Output side to measure the Instantaneous Output power. The electronics will be covered up with black tape or something similar. We are willing to show the overunity FLEET device in a locked glass container with video cameras or webcams monitoring it 24 hours a day for 5 days continuously. You may bring more than one expert or more than one friend. However, they must be qualified and escorted at all times.â€
Investor: “I would like to consult my experts and get back to you in a couple of days.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 18, 2010, 06:29:13 PM
However, they must be qualified...â€
I think this is unwise.
Many of the most stupid academics are qualified. Many of the wisest people on
this forum are not.
Anyway, an investor should be allowed to bring whoever they wish.
Quote from: Paul-R on June 19, 2010, 08:19:18 AM
I think this is unwise.
Many of the most stupid academics are qualified. Many of the wisest people on
this forum are not.
Anyway, an investor should be allowed to bring whoever they wish.
Latest conversation
Investor: “My experts do not believe in lead-out energy. That has never been taught in Schools, Universities and never appeared in textbooks. They think that the theory is cooked-up to justify something that cannot possibly work. However, they are willing to examine the experimental evidence.â€
Tseung: “What do you mean?â€
Investor: “They are willing to see the Tong Wheel. They are willing to bring their own oscilloscopes and testing tools. The Tong Wheel has nothing hidden. All electronics and all circuits are clearly shown. They would also like to disassemble and reassemble it. Will you accept such a vigorous test? I pay them handsomely to do that.â€
Tseung: “That is acceptable. I even want them to publish their results openly on the Internet. They can take videos, publish all measurements, etc.â€
Investor: “Can I do that with FLEET?â€
Tseung: “No. We disclosed all details on the Tong Wheel because it could only produce 2-3 watts. It is essentially a proof-of-concept. FLEET is different.
We have mastered the secret of leading-out as much energy as desired. The commercial value is just too overwhelming.â€
Investor: “I understand. If you do not have that secret, what is the point of my investing? When can my experts examine the Tong Wheel?â€
Tseung: “Tomorrow. I just need to make a couple of phone calls and ensure that it is available and nobody is modifying it.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 19, 2010, 07:15:37 PM
They are willing to bring their own oscilloscopes and testing tools.
Their scopes should be of sufficent Mhz.
Digital multimeters tend to take a measurement at short intervals rather than continuously and are reputed not to handle cold electricity properly. Avometers
might be preferable.
Am I right that the wheel boils down to two batteries; initially one charged and
one flat, and after a period of time, one slightly depleted and one partially charged
up?
If so, they should be ready to test the contents of these batteries.
Is it possible for anyone to build a tong wheel to test the concept?
Quote from: bille on June 20, 2010, 01:25:12 PM
Is it possible for anyone to build a tong wheel to test the concept?
This gives the basis:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter2.pdf
Page 51.
Also, see:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/LTseung.pdf
Quote from: Paul-R on June 20, 2010, 05:38:13 PM
This gives the basis:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter2.pdf
Page 51.
Also, see:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/LTseung.pdf
Patrick Kelly will be conducting a seminar on free energy. One of the items is to build a Tong Wheel by the participants. The theory is well explained in the above websites. The magic is lead-out energy.
Allocation of Resources
Chan: “China is spending billions on the Olympics and the World Expo. I do not think that such investments are wise. It is better to use such resources to improve the quality of life of the poor.â€
Lee: “It is a matter of allocation of resources. I think China should not buy the USA bonds. Use that money to improve the quality of life of the poor.â€
Kwai: “When it comes to use of resources, anyone can propose anything. There will not be 100% agreement. It is a judgment call from those in charge.â€
Chan: “It is like a wedding ceremony. Some couples would like to have a ceremony that they and their friends will remember forever. Some would like to spend the money on a honeymoon. Some would like to spend the money on their new home. There is no right or wrong. Whatever makes sense to the couple is right.â€
Lee: “Should China introduce the Wang or the FLEET device to improve the quality of life of its citizens now? Should the Military have a say and keep the technology a top secret?â€
Kwai: “If Lead-Out energy is correct, it will be a matter of time before it is introduced to the World. Such a technology cannot be stopped?â€
Lee: “Gun powder was first discovered in China. However, it was suppressed for thousands of years.â€
Chan: “The World is different now. The Internet is so powerful. News cannot be suppressed. One inventor willing to share his hard work freely with the World will have no problem promoting his technology.â€
Kwai: “Information on the Tong Wheel is well published. Top guns such as Patrick Kelly, Professors at Hong Kong University, MIT and Stanford visiting Professors etc can examine and help to replicate it. There is secret.â€
Lee: “Tseung is very clever. He is using a 2-3 watt proof-of-concept device to establish his Lead-Out energy Theory. He has the much more powerful FLEET ready to attract investment.â€
Sharing Potential Profits
Lee: “Dear Mr. Tseung, now that you are bound for riches and fame, please do not forget me. I helped you in the past. It was in one of the early business plans which never got executed. In that plan, I got 2% and the projected profit was US$1 billion. Can I convert that promise into HK$1 million now?â€
Tseung: “Over the last 10 years, many hundreds if not thousands persons have helped me. My usual wording was â€" "I do not have any money to pay you now. However, I shall try not to forget the help. The projected financial returns on this technology is in billions if not trillions US dollars.â€"
Lee: “You introduced me to the other two inventors â€" Kwok and Chan. They worked on similar inventions known as “lightning in a boxâ€. You persuaded me to invest HK$50K and I became their manager for many years. Their invention could not take off. It looks like that their invention will never be able to compete with Wang nor FLEET. My investment and energy have been wasted. Can I get HK$ 1 million in return?â€
Tseung: “Please note that I treated my inventions as not invented BY me. They have been invented THROUGH me. That is why I donate all proceeds to the charitable organization â€" Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. Please post your request or demands openly on the Internet to remind me. That will help many others to do the same. I cannot possibly remember all the verbal and written promises if any. There may even be pretty ladies whom I made promises to in the many hotel rooms. They are welcome to post their pictures as well.â€
Chan: “I can help you to handle all these phone calls, emails or posts. Just give me 10% of the donations to Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.â€
Tseung: “I shall let the World handle these. These may become subjects of an on-line book. Let them post on overunity.com first.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 18, 2010, 03:11:54 PM
The investors want you to buy the products - not to replicate them for free!
Well why are you here? For advertisements and commercial support paid by these investors? Is it well-paid?
I don't think this group is devoted for that.
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Patrick Kelly will be conducting a seminar on free energy. One of the items is to build a Tong Wheel by the participants. The theory is well explained in the above websites. The magic is lead-out energy.
Just receive a phone call that the Company who paid HK$120,000 for the experimental Tong Wheel in October 2009 has successfully improved it so that their Tong Wheel can now power a one Horse Power air conditioner with Lead-Out Energy.
This will be a worthwhile product that can compete with FLEET.
My agreement with them is that they should donate 10% of the net profit to a charitable organization of their choice. I recommended Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
The good thing about that Company is that they are highly profit-motivated. It is unlikely that they will place the product into a freezer!
From the factory owner who successfully improved the Tong Wheel
Owner: “We have the improved Tong Wheel generating at least 1 horse power using lead-out energy. We now seek capital to mass produce it.â€
Business Broker: “Can you manufacture a small number, make some profit and then slowly expand?â€
Owner: “No. Mr. Lawrence Tseung has disclosed all secrets of the Tong Wheel and its possible improvements on the Internet. It is very easy for some big manufacturers to replicate. We must mass produce at low cost right from the start. In the Chinese Business Saying â€" ‘drink the first cup of soup’. That is why we seek capital at this stage.â€
Business Broker: “Can I come to see the product?â€
Owner: “No. You are far too technical. You were involved with the Tong Wheel from the beginning. With one glance, you will be able to identify the improvements. There is no patent protection and I do not believe in patent protection for those improvements. There are many tiny factories in China who will infringe and then declare bankruptcy when faced with lawsuits.â€
Business Broker: “Then how can I convince the investors to come to see you?â€
Owner: “Bring them to see the Tong Wheel at Hong Kong University. They and their experts may be convinced by the proof-of-concept model that can generate 2-3 watts. You can then tell them that I already have a production ready model that can generate at least 1 horse power. I just need capital to mass produce. The return on investment can be as short as 6 months.â€
Business Broker: “If these investors are qualified and are willing to sign non-disclosure agreements first, will you let them see the working 1 HP prototype?â€
Owner: “I shall only consider reputable, well established and really interested investors. I may want to get a group together after all the preliminary checking. They can then bid for the right to invest in my Tong Wheel production.â€
Business Broker: “Will you show the prototype then?â€
Owner: “I shall consider that possibility then. I may also show video of the existing production line.â€
Business Broker: “Are you actually producing products now?â€
Owner: “You are asking too many questions. Talk to me only after you have found qualified investors. The commission to you will be very generous.â€
I will give you two chicken heads for the tong wheel blueprints in any format. If you send them to me dxf, u get four chicken heads. X00013@msn.com
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 22, 2010, 10:02:59 PM
From the factory owner who successfully improved the Tong Wheel
Owner: “No. Mr. Lawrence Tseung has disclosed all secrets of the Tong Wheel and its possible improvements on the Internet. It is very easy for some big manufacturers to replicate...
Yes, but he (or she) misses an important point; it is the patents covering manufacturing and mass producing techniques that are often the ones that are depended upon.
Don't worry about the lack of intellectual property on the original physics - patent the best possible ways of building it.
Quote from: Paul-R link=topic=8825.msg246342#msg246342 A=1277296269
Yes, but he (or she) misses an important point; it is the patents covering manufacturing and mass producing techniques that are often the ones that are depended upon.
Don't worry about the lack of intellectual property on the original physics - patent the best possible ways of building it.
I would encourage him to mass produce and benefit the World. He and his investors can “drink the first cup of soupâ€. He can immediately IPO and recover any investment that might have put in.
With mass production, the manufacturing cost of a Tong wheel can drop to below HK$2, 000.
However, the even better scenario is to team up with us on FLEET. The manufacturing cost for FLEET can be below HK$200. He can manufacture enough Tong Wheels that can supply 1 HP to gain Worldwide publicity immediately. Go for IPO with the promise of FLEET as the next generation product.
Praying to the Almighty
Tseung: “Lord, please guide me on what to do. I believe I have mastered the technique of leading-out or drawing-in as much energy as desired. I know that the discovery is not BY me but THROUGH me. It is not my glory. All glory and honor are yours.â€
Angel: “You have been blessed. You have been chosen to disclose this Lead-Out Energy to the World. The Lord has taken care of your basic needs. You are guaranteed to have food on the table, a roof over your head, basic spending A and no financial worries. Your stated goal is to benefit the World. Just find the group who shares this noble goal to help you.â€
Devil: “The Lead-Out Energy theory and technology will bring untold fame and riches. It is yours. Your fame will exceed Einstein. Your wealth will exceed Bill Gates. When you are wealthy and famous, you can do more good to the World.â€
Angel: “You asked for a wealthy investor who can fund the research and development. God granted that wish. You have a well-known investor putting HK$2 million. He even signed checks without requiring the signing of contracts first.â€
Devil: “But in reality, his people were trying to steal the technology. The draft contract stated that the money was a shareholder loan. You are one of the shareholders. If the Company makes money, the loan will be paid by the profits. If the Company is not successful, the shareholders will have to repay the loan from their own pockets. Furthermore, the draft contract specified many deadlines. Failing to meet any one of them will automatically forfeit all your rights and shares to the investor.â€
Angel: “That draft is from a lawyer who wants to get everything for nothing to please his employer. You do not have to agree to any of those terms. You can redraft the contract based on one of the model investment contracts from the Hong Kong Invention Association or from your son who funded and managed many start-up high technology ventures.â€
Devil: “The investor may withdraw. You will not have any money. The project will die because of lack of funds.â€
Angel: “In reality, how much research fund is required at this stage?â€
Tseung: “The investor paid monthly consulting fees of HK$20,000 each to five individuals. He also advanced RMB10,000 for purchase of cheap equipment from China. Now the project is suspended until the contract is redrafted.â€
Devil: “You have already mastered the technology of leading-out as much energy as desired. You also disclosed that to the five consultants. Your helpers also know the technology as they did the actual experiments and prepared the Powerpoint presentations. What is the purpose of the extra money?â€
Tseung: “Good point. I was not absolutely clear on the technology when the Investor was introduced to me. One of the consultants pointed me to the toroid resonance calculations and that triggered the correct solution to the problem.â€
Angel: “But that toroid calculation was wrong. The other consultant followed it and thought that the resonance frequency was in the million hertz range. You only used the calculation to indicate that a larger toroid would have lower frequency. You then wound a 10 inch toroid. That was the major breakthrough that allowed you to reproduce and exceed the capability of the Steven Marks TPU.â€
Devil: “The much improved TPU and the lead-out energy theory will bring you unbelievable fame and riches. The investor was trying to steal the technology. The other consultants did not contribute much but share equal rewards. It is not fair.â€
Tseung: “Devil, you are trying to plant evil thoughts in my mind. My goal is to benefit the World. Whatever path leads to that goal will be considered. A particular path may be wrong but the Almighty may be testing me or helping me to complete the map of the “new continentâ€. They all contributed in some way and deserve to have some reward.â€
Angel: “You can afford to be generous because the Lead-Out Technology is worth billions if not trillions. All textbooks will be re-written. All electrical appliances and machinery will be re-designed. Do not sign away any of the rights now. Otherwise you will not be able to achieve you goal of benefiting the World. Get the team or teams who can really help to benefit the World behind you. You do not need to drop the existing support. You just need to point them or guide them to the right path. If they do not follow you, it is their decision.â€
Devil: “You already taught them the technology. They could go ahead without you.â€
Angel: “If they all start Companies to produce products based on the Lead-Out Energy Theory, will the World benefit faster? You may not get anything personally but the World benefits.â€
Tseung: “Good point. The Tong Po Chi Wheel is an example. Many can build it now. One has improved it so that it can generate 1 horse power. I can demonstrate the proof-of-concept TPU setup now. The casual reader in this forum is unlikely to pour in the necessary energy and resources to produce products to benefit the World. However, the person who paid HK$120,000 for a Tong prototype and set up a team to do research and development is serious. The present result showed that that was the right path. The investor has put in RMB10,000 for parts and HK$200,000 consulting fees already. He must be serious.â€
Angel: “God has again answered your prayer. Now prepare the right words to say to the investor, the other consultants, the helpers and whoever may help to achieve the goal of benefiting the World.â€
well at least you put all your different identities under one post. However my assumption tha you were bi polar is wrong as it is obvious you must have a multipersonality disrder.
Good news about people investing which I always encourage. I find that interesting as no evidence to date (using proper masuring equipment not cheap multimeters). As they say there is always a fol to be found that will part with their money.
However any investment to further research this will be benificial
Good luck
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on June 24, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
well at least you put all your different identities under one post. However my assumption tha you were bi polar is wrong as it is obvious you must have a multipersonality disrder.
Good news about people investing which I always encourage. I find that interesting as no evidence to date (using proper masuring equipment not cheap multimeters). As they say there is always a fol to be found that will part with their money.
However any investment to further research this will be benificial
Good luck
Mark
What is the point of this post?
This one is probably not an OU device.
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This one is probably not an OU device.
I am now confused... I was under the impression that this was THE solution. I have been reading through all of the posts for the last few days and I was excited! What has changed? The lack of results posted on the forum? The momentum seems to have slowed down as well.
I hope that Mr. Tseung is still in good health and spirit.
Maybe he is busy at the Shanghai Expo?
Continuing my Prayer
Tseung: “Lord, please guide me on the coming steps. You have revealed to me the secrets of Lead-Out Energy. The theory has been out and disclosed to the World since 2004. We now have the proof-of-concept Tong Wheel demonstration at Hong Kong University for academic verification. The factory has improved the Tong wheel to generate 1 Horse Power and is ready for production. The crowning glory of correctly explaining resonance and extracting as much electron motion energy as desired via resonance hunting has been achieved.â€
Angel: “If your goal is to benefit the World, get people who can help you to achieve that goal.â€
Devil: “Nobody is that noble. They want the fame and wealth for themselves. They will trick you to giving up all the intellectual rights. You like fishing. You are the prize fish now. People will throw in a few baits and try to hook you. The fisherman will get his people to swim with you. Throw in the bait. His people will swallow the bait. That will provide the urge for you to swallow the bait as well. As soon as you are hooked, that will be much pain before you can get out. You may not be able to get out at all. You will be dinner.â€
Angel: “If your goal is really to benefit the World, you can freely disclose the technology to the World. Let anyone produce the product. You can openly invite the academics to examine the technology. You have already done that with the Tong Wheel. You can do the same with FLEET.â€
Tseung: “People like Gadgetmail disclosed the 1.5V battery heater. He then got cancer and could not continue to do research. Bob Boyce and Don Smith disclosed their inventions but got no support. No products came out to benefit the World.â€
Devil: “They do not have the theory. They hit on the invention via trial and error. Like one of your consultants said â€" out of the 1 million hertz from the signal generator, only a few hertz were useful. Putting test equipment on will move the resonance conditions. Without the correct technique, it was like betting on the lottery. They know that the prize is there. However, blind testing may take up all their resources and the rest of their lives. Some people put test equipment on the Gadgetmail device and the result was â€" failed to demonstrate overunity.â€
Tseung: “I know all that. I have the identical system: one with test equipment, one without. The tuning is close but not the same. The conclusive test to the academics will have these two systems existing side-by-side.â€
Angel: “Continue to search for the right people to help you. Try the Church, the Temple, the Universities, the well-known charitable investors like Bill Gates, the politicians who may benefit from your invention. In particular, Hong Kong has just achieved the unthinkable â€" accepting the Reform Proposal from the Opposition Party. If you invite members of the political parties to see the demonstration and let them work together to promote the technology, the chance of any fisherman stealing the technology to benefit himself will be zero.â€
Tseung: “Good point. I can share that with the existing investor and consultants. They can join in this noble path. There is enough fame and wealth for their contributions.â€
!
The draft new contract
Jay: “Can you draft a contract that you will accept? You have rejected the ‘fisherman bait trap’. What is the counter proposal?â€
Tseung: “I have not given it much thought yet. But now you raised it, I should start thinking.â€
Angel: “State your noble goal and see if anyone will follow it.â€
Tseung: “My goal is to benefit the World. The condition for using my patent and intellectual rights is for the Companies to donate 10% of the net profit to a charitable organization of their choice. I recommend Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.â€
Jay: “How would a Company benefit if it does not own your patent or intellectual rights?â€
Tseung: “I can delay the announcement to the World until the Company or Companies have their products ready. They could sell the products and IPO to make some handsome profit. My announcement can be at their product rollout.â€
Devil: “That would put pressure on them to produce products. No one will agree to that.â€
Jay: “I believe the Company with the 1 horse power Tong Wheel is doing something similar. They said that they wanted to raise RMB$20 million for product production by selling 20 shares at RMB1m each. The investors own 20% of the Production Company XYZ. In other words, the Company XYZ is valued at RMB100 million now. It is a pledge at this point. No investor needs to put in any money until there are more than 20 shares pledged.â€
Devil: “Has any one pledged?â€
Jay: “I believe so. They do not even show the product to the pledged investors. They plan to show it after more than RMB20 million has been pledged. They will then show to all investors in one meeting. Every successful investor will receive one working product.â€
Angel: “You mean that every successful investor will get one share and a working product at the same time. For RMB1 million, an investor gets 1% of a Company producing guaranteed overunity Tong Wheel that can generate at least 1 horse power. In addition, they have one Tong wheel to boast to their friends and relatives.â€
Devil: “If I were a big restaurant owner, I could place the Tong Wheel at my restaurant. That will attract more than enough new business to justify my spending the RMB$1 million.â€
Jay: “I think they plan to invite Tseung, Consultants from top Universities, Media etc. They already have a small production line. The RMB20 million is for expansion.â€
Angel: “Almost all research organizations around the World will order one no matter the cost. Even if they price the initial products at RMB20,000, I think that they will get at least 100K orders. That is RMB 20 million worth of business already. They can even have the orders pledged before the investor meeting.â€
Tseung: “You are giving a lot of good and valuable ideas to the Tong Wheel Company. I shall coordinate with them on FLEET. They can make some good money on the 1 horse power Tong Wheel first. It will be a win-win-win. Win for them. Win for us and Win for the World.â€
Continuing the Prayer
Tseung: “Now that I can produce a Steven Mark type TPU for less than RMB200 and much lower with mass production. What should be the correct steps to benefit the World?â€
Angel: “Do you need additional resources to market the product?â€
Tseung: “I need additional research to ensure product safety. I need factories to mass produce. I need funds to purchase material and set up Company. I need to invite the academics to a Conference. I need to get the politicians and media involved. Some influential investor(s) may be able to help.â€
Devil: “Do you want the investor(s) to give you some money so that you can enjoy life more? You may not say it but that thought may be lurking at the back of your mind. You swallowed one bait. There will be more.â€
Tseung: “That is why I pray and disclose my thoughts and actions openly. May the Almighty guide me on the right path!â€
Angel: “You can specify the role, the risks and the rewards for the investor(s). They can accept or reject your plans. Outline them clearly now.â€
Tseung: “The investor I need now should have the following qualifications:
(1) Share the goal of using this technology to benefit the World.
(2) Have proven record of donating to charitable causes.
(3) Have enough connections with factories so that production of FLEET can begin.
(4) Have Connections with the academic world so that the Lead-Out Theory and Prototypes can be properly tested and verified.
(5) Capable of managing a conference with other investors, politicians and media.â€
Angel: “How much money does he (they) need to invest?â€
Tseung: “The first round is to solidify the research and produce the first batch of test products. My guess is RMB1 million.â€
Angel: “That is less than US$200K. It is within the capability of at least 10,000 people in Hong Kong. The average house price is many times that. But what are the plans?â€
Tseung: “ I shall borrow the example from the Tong Wheel Company. The amount can be much larger as the FLEET products are more powerful. Let me assume the following:
(1) Raise RMB100 million via selling 20% of the Company XYZ to investors. The valuation of the Company XYZ will then be RMB500 million. There will be 1,000 shares. We shall sell each share at RMB500K. Selling 200 shares to investors will net RMB100 million.
(2) Most of the remaining 800 shares will be donated to charitable organizations Worldwide. At the beginning, these shares shall be held by Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. All financial records of Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited will be available to all Investors on-line.
(3) The first investor(s) putting in RMB1 million will get 20 shares. That is 10 times more than the other investors. The RMB1 million will be used to build the base for the raising of RMB100 million.
(4) The FLEET demonstration units will be shown Worldwide. At least 5 top universities will be invited as technical verifiers. There will be an on-line webcam showing the product working 24 hours a day.
(5) Each Country in United Nations will receive a FLEET as a gift. (There will be some political play on who will provide the gift.)
(6) The investors for the 200 shares will be Worldwide. They can pledge one or more shares with a limit of 100 shares maximum. Every successful share will have a working FLEET to go with it.
(7) We expect an over pledge and some lottery type system may be used.
(8 ) The manufacturing cost for a 5KW FLEET is likely to be less than RMB200. This is less than the average electricity bill of a Hong Kong household in Summer.
(9) We shall license the technology to multiple manufacturers. The manufacturers who are shareholders (of the 200 shares) will be given preference.â€
Devil: “Hold it. You are talking about wiping out the oil and coal industry. They will destroy you first.â€
Angel: “The beauty of the plan is that 80% of the Company is owned by a charitable organization â€" Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited. Even if the Oil Cartel buys up all 200 shares, the noble goal of benefiting the World can be achieved.â€
Devil: “What happens if someone replicates FLEET and sells the product well below the RMB200?â€
Angel: “The goal of benefiting the World will be achieved even faster. There will be the normal A protection and licensing agreements. Some of them is expected to be at Government or even United Nation Levels. Lead-Out Energy will be the foundation of coming wealth. That will be an undeniable fact.â€
Meeting with Forever, Daniel and Mary
Tseung: “I deliberately asked Daniel and Mary to join in the meeting. They have not heard about Lead-Out Energy yet. I wanted to get their reaction as a general public.â€
Forever: “What do you want me to do?â€
Tseung: “First show them the Steven Mark video.â€
Daniel: “Is that device real? Can it light up the 100 watt bulbs? Can it really supply power to TV, Drill and vacuum cleaners? It must be a hoax.â€
Tseung: “We can now produce the actual device. If I sell it to you for HK$10,000 and guarantee that you will not need to pay electric bills for the next 10 years, will you buy it?â€
Mary: “My monthly electricity bill in summer is HK$700. This means that I can recover my investment in this device within two years. It is a great bargain.â€
Tseung: “If I lower the price to HK$2,000 but with only a 1 year warranty, will you buy it?â€
Mary: “When can I buy it? I can recover the cost within three months. Is this real?â€
Daniel: “Can I be an authorized retailer? I am sure that every household in China would like to have one. That is at least 100 million household. The potential revenue is HK$200 billion. I can quit my job and do this full time.â€
Forever: “What is the cost of this device? Is it still HK$200 material cost for small production and much lower when mass produced?â€
Tseung: “Yes.â€
Daniel: “How can I be sure that this is not a hoax? The Steven Mark TPU video has been on the Internet for many years. Many people claimed to have reproduced it. We have not seen any commercial product yet?â€
Tseung: “My plan is to have people pledge that they will buy it for HK$3,000. I shall sell it to my resellers worldwide for approximately HK$2,000. The customers will have this version as a “collector item†with limited, numbered and a certified note. The price is expected to drop just like the personal computers. They will get the initial device as a “Collector Item†to ensure they feel that they have their money’s worth.â€
Mary: “I am happy even if the device is not a collector’s item. It would have saved me on my electricity bill already. You are selling this too cheap.â€
Tseung: “I am doing this not for profit. I want to benefit the World.â€
Forever: “I can build a website for you so that you can take on-line pledges from the general public. You can also solicit resellers worldwide. You can also ask pledges from potential investors. In addition, I can build in the 24 hour webcam capability so that all viewers can see FLEET in action.â€
Tseung: “I shall also have at least 5 top Universities as technical verifiers. I already have contacts at Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College and Tsinghua University in China.â€
Daniel: “So long as your lead-out technology is real, I shall support you totally.â€
Mary: “When can I see the real thing? The Steven Mark Video is impressive but without seeing and touching the real thing, I still have doubts.â€
Tseung: “How about two weeks? That will be the first rehearsal demonstration.â€
Forever: “Is that the resonance hunting demonstration?â€
Tseung: “It will be the much improved version. It will have an oscilloscope measuring the Input power and an oscilloscope measuring the output power simultaneously. It will be up to the standard demanded by the top academics. You will be doing the Powerpoint slides for me.â€
Quote from: markdansie on June 24, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
well at least you put all your different identities under one post. However my assumption tha you were bi polar is wrong as it is obvious you must have a multipersonality disrder.
Good news about people investing which I always encourage. I find that interesting as no evidence to date (using proper masuring equipment not cheap multimeters). As they say there is always a fol to be found that will part with their money.
However any to further research this will be benificial
Good luck
Mark
@Mark
Is this the same Tseung on the other (now defunct) comedy channel?
I have just returned from a vacation in Asia, including four days in Hong Kong. Oddly enough, there was no mention anywhere in HK TV or printed material about this great Tseung invention ... I meant delusion.
I think this is another snake oil presentation using magnets?
It's been four years since old Tseung asked for investments in his other projects and I think we might have to wait another 4 years or 400 pages to see the same nonsense.
cheers
chrisC
Nonsense indeed Chris...
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 27, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
Tseung: “First show them the Steven Mark video.â€
Daniel: “Is that device real? Can it light up the 100 watt bulbs? Can it really supply power to TV, Drill and vacuum cleaners? It must be a hoax.â€
Indeed it is a HOAX and THUS,
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 27, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
Tseung: “We can now produce the actual device.
Tseung, you have lost all of your credibility here.
And Prayers? WTF man ?
If you think we are still with you on this, think again.
You might aswell just stop the play...
LT,
You might be interested in this.
The Observer
Still Praying for Devine Guidance.
Tseung does a lot of play on words and intentionally confuses people. if you take away all the hoopla, and redundancy is his systems, the basic operation is similar to that of the JT.
you're using the power of the amplified collapsing magnetic field,
which produces an equal ammount of power that you put into it.
(and in some cases possibly more)
its not a big patentable secret, thousands of people already know how this works. its simply comming up with a large and powerful enough arrangement, that it becomes "useful", instead of a "flashlight".....
if you run this type of system in series with another load, or another similar system, there is a slight current loss, but you have a near doubling effect on the power produced (verified by double JT's in operation from a single battery)
guy in the video with the 10-inch black ring, looks like business men from the 80's
used a similar principle.
converting 15v (from 10 small cells tucked under the electrical tape) up to 200v, with a nice load capacity. in the full length versions of the video, he even cuts one of them open at the end.
the basical idea is to consume some energy to create a magnetic field, and amplify this by magnetizing a "core" of some form.
and then collect the power from the collapsing field + core field, which combined is stronger than the field produced by the source current. after integrating the rise and fall times, accounting for lost heat, and field emmissions not collected by the recieving coil(s), this type of system can easily be demonstrated to be "OU".
... as if seeing a JT light up a room for 3 months with a dead AA batery wasn't enough...
the ideal situation, would be to charge multiple cores simultaneously
so that their nearby fields amplify one another even further than the source current is capable of.
that would allow a greater deal of power to be extracted in a much smaller space.
for instance, you could get those 8-foot ceramic rods
that are generally chopped up into tiny 1/4 to 1 inch segments and used for regulators in computers and various electronics...
cut them to say... 6 inch lengths and arrange it in a peg-board fashion. and run the system in parallel.
Quote from: ltseung888 on June 30, 2010, 11:18:45 PM
Still Praying for Devine Guidance.
I don't think you need divine guidance. All you need is to write much, much less but produce real results from your own work and understanding, not ripping off other people's experiments.
Failing that you can always take some medication to control your delusions?
cheers
chrisC
Hi Chris,
i still havnt managed a trip to the states this year, looking forward to catching up.
Go check out the JC commedy show thread. The link to the videos is a real laugh.
Mark
Quote from: The Observer on June 30, 2010, 03:24:47 AM
LT,
You might be interested in this.
The Observer
These "pill jar" batteries - Do the metals corrode? Presumably Yes, using the
acidic or alkaline impurities in most water sources.
If No, then there is something to be explained.
Paul,
On about the 6th day of my Joule Thief running off the Pill Jar Batteries... things look pretty good.
I put a 200uf capacitor across the Pill Jars as I saw someone mention that was a good idea... it did make the Led Brighter, so I left it..
Also, it seems as if current production has increased over the days !!!
I really don't think the Water is going to eat away the Pennies or Bolt quickly.
But only time will tell and I don't claim to know all the Chemistry behind it.
I believe that Water takes electrons from the metals revealing an Electric Potential Difference.
I am thinking if this thing goes for a few months with no real degradation... I have found Free Power.
Free Enough anyways... if a Penny/Water/Bolt setup is going to last for years.
The Oxford Bell has been ringing for 170 years off of a couple Piles !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell
Although it may cheat the energy system through creating motion by means of a static Electric Field. (something to be contemplated)
The next project is the Penny Power Cube.
- 4 Nantucket Nectar Bottle Penny/Bolt/Water Batteries (1 should equal about 4 Pill Jars)
- inside 2 bottoms of 1/2 cut Milk Gallons to create a stack-able Cube.
- One Cell is .6 Volts... So the Cube (of 4 Bottles) can be wired to give off .6 V or 1.2 V or 2.4 V.
The idea is that 11 or 12 of the 1.2 Volt Model would Charge a 12 Volt Array ... 24hours/7days a week.
This array then would power the house (like solar) with the Array able deliver appreciable amps when there is demand.
Regards,
The Observer
The Prayer continued
Jay: “Please have a look at the picture of life in Rwanda. They are moving backwards. Aids, ignorance, drugs, prostitution, hopelessness etc are seeping their life force. You can make a difference.â€
Angel: “You can help to build a factory there to assemble FLEET. You can help to build A Farms, model Villages, model Cities etc. You can change their lives within 5 to 10 years. You do not need to be wealthy or clever to help them. You already have the knowledge and means to help them using lead-out energy.â€
Devil: “If you reveal the secret, nobody will invest. Nobody can get wealthy. You would have lost the chance to have fame and riches. Wait for the investors to give you millions. When you are rich and famous, you can do more. Do not reveal your secrets now. Let some of your supporters get wealthy first.â€
Jay: “What does it take to produce a FLEET?â€
Tseung†“Knowledge and less than HK$200 worth of material. Gadgetmail, Stan Meyer, Steven Mark, and Joule Thief Circuits etc. already revealed part of the secret. Patrick Kelly described much of the technology in his ebook. However, there was too much unnecessary information that confused the knowledge seeker.â€
Angel: “I think you have received Devine Guidance already.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
@ Lawrence,
Thank you VERY MUCH for your informitive posts.
We really like to read them to see what's going on.
Thanks again & keep up the GREAT work.
.
MagBAH looks up sarcasm in the dictionary....
Prayer Continued
Tseung: “The Prayer has been answered. One of the wealthiest families in Hong Kong is willing to pay to set up a demonstration of overunity FLEET. If the demonstration works, there will be negotiation along the charitable ideas outlined in this forum. If the demonstration does not work, the money is regarded as a support to an inventor.â€
Angel: “What are the plans now?â€
Tseung: “The money is enough to buy basic test equipment and support up to 3 student helpers. We hope to have the demonstration ready by July 15, 2010 when an expert from Stanford University will be in Hong Kong for about 3 weeks. We may work with Hong Kong University on the set up and verification of the overunity demonstration.â€
Devil: “What is the difficulty? You have already done it.â€
Tseung: “This demonstration will be treated as a new project. Every piece of equipment will be bought new. The helpers will be trained so that they can take up the project no matter what happens to me. Hunting for resonance is always tricky. Only a few herta out of a million will be useful.â€
Devil: “The technology may be leaked. Why should the Investor waste his money if everyone can replicate it?â€
Angel: “Can you open a new restaurant in a busy tourist resort even though there are other restaurants? A HK$2,000 FLEET that can supply electricity to the home will sell very well. There is no need to dominate and control every restaurant.â€
Tseung: “The focus in the next few weeks will be the demonstration. The Almighty has shown the path. I pray that He will guide us every step of the way. Even the poorest districts in the World will benefit.â€
Hi All,
this thread is going more and more offtopic.
This is why I moved it to this directory.
If the device on page one is built and can be demonstrated ,
we can open up a new topic about it with detailed building descriptions.
In here the informations are too vague.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 02, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
Hi All,
this is going more and more offtopic.
This is why I moved it to this directory.
If the device on page one is built and can be demonstrated ,
we can open up a new topic about it with detailed building descriptions.
In here the informations are too vague.
Regards, Stefan.
Great idea Stefan. Why should you pay for some delusional crap again and (again)!
cheers
chrisC
for those americans that are wondering what HK$200 means.
its only about (US) $40 bucks, worth of materials that goes into this thing.
we just need some kind of shopping list, and im sure theres many of us that would put this thing to the test.
Let's examine the 3 tests in the original postings.
if you think about a spring, you put energy int the spring to compress it, then the spring gives you the same energy back as it expands. Now, imagine, that after compressing the spring, you get a head start and take off in the opposite direction.
now the spring will give you a boost and push you along faster.
this is exactly what placing the magnet into the core does.
it acts as a spring. While the source current is on, your input power compresses the spring (magnetic field).
When you turn it off, the field begins collapsing, then the magnet reorients its' field, and boosts the collapsing field out of its way.
meaning the "work" done on the coil is shortened in duration.
this is the 2nd scenerio in his original demonstration.
now, if you reverse the magnetic field.... you get the 3rd scenerio.
this is like a spring that stretches, then pulls back.
While your source current is "on", the current amplifies the magnetic field, it works with it to make a more powerful field, NOW,when you turn it off, the magnetic field has a head start, its already settling in its original position, while the EMF is still collapsing. thus the "work" done on the coil is increased in duration.
what is interesting is the time during the source pulse, where there is no "work" done on the core. this is the duration of time from when you turn the coil "on", until it reaches a strength greater than the already present magnetic field. however short, this is a % of your initial pulse., which, with using scenerio one as the control test, means that scenerio two has an increased input, and a decreased output. and that scenerio three has a decreased input, and increased output. scenerios two and three are , for all intensive purposes, the exact inverse of one another.
Entropy, and Neguentropy.
almost every mechanical thing we use today is engineered under the assumptions of Scenerio #2. you're homework for this evening is to write a 4 page essay about why.
class dismissed.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 02, 2010, 11:42:14 PM
for those americans that are wondering what HK$200 means.
its only about (US) $40 bucks, worth of materials that goes into this thing.
we just need some kind of shopping list, and im sure theres many of us that would put this thing to the test.
Let's examine the 3 tests in the original postings.
if you think about a A, you put energy int the spring to compress it, then the spring gives you the same energy back as it expands. Now, imagine, that after compressing the spring, you get a head start and take off in the opposite direction.
now the spring will give you a boost and push you along faster.
this is exactly what placing the magnet into the core does.
it acts as a spring. While the source current is on, your input power compresses the spring (magnetic field).
When you turn it off, the field begins collapsing, then the magnet reorients its' field, and boosts the collapsing field out of its way.
meaning the "work" done on the coil is shortened in duration.
this is the 2nd scenerio in his original demonstration.
now, if you reverse the magnetic field.... you get the 3rd scenerio.
this is like a spring that A, then pulls back.
While your source current is "on", the current amplifies the magnetic field, it works with it to make a more powerful field, NOW,when you turn it off, the magnetic field has a head start, its already settling in its original position, while the EMF is still collapsing. thus the "work" done on the coil is increased in duration.
what is interesting is the time during the source pulse, where there is no "work" done on the core. this is the duration of time from when you turn the coil "on", until it reaches a strength greater than the already present magnetic field. however short, this is a % of your initial pulse., which, with using scenerio one as the control test, means that scenerio two has an increased input, and a decreased output. and that scenerio three has a decreased input, and increased output. scenerios two and three are , for all intensive purposes, the exact inverse of one another.
Entropy, and Neguentropy.
almost every mechanical thing we use today is engineered under the assumptions of Scenerio #2. you're homework for this evening is to write a 4 page essay about why.
class dismissed.
Without a good understanding of the Lead-out energy theory, the above is misleading. I shall let Patrick Kelly help to do a layman explanation. He can do a much better job than I. I shall let the top researches at Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College or Tsinghua University do the vigorous scientific papers.
I believe my three student helpers will finish the overunity FLEET experiments within 3 weeks. The video should be ready shortly afterwards.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 04, 2010, 02:23:49 AM
...
I believe my three helpers will finish the overunity FLEET experiments within 3 . The video should be ready shortly afterwards.
Yawn....
Prayer Continued
Came back from Church and a to-be-completed temple. The message is clear â€" benefit the World and NOT Lawrence Tseung. We can have an experiment space at the to-be-completed temple. The location is very close to the work place of my daughter. That will be an advantage.
Tseung: “I am looking for a space to do the overunity FLEET experiment. There must be good air circulation. I need it for two to three weeks.â€
Lee: “That is very difficult. In Hong Kong, the average rental agreement is for at least two years. If you rent a hotel room, it would be at least HK$1,000 a day. They may not even let you do the soldering work.â€
Roy: “I know just the place for you. I am working on decorating a half-completed temple. They stopped work waiting for donations. You can have a temporary working space for a few weeks. Just give a small donation.â€
Tseung: “The Almighty works in wonderful ways. Different religions help me at the same time. I am more optimistic on the outcome now.â€
We have religion now in the mix, all we are missing is politics....and sanity.
Mark
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 04, 2010, 02:23:49 AM
I shall let Patrick Kelly help to do a layman explanation. He can do a much better job than I.
i look forward to it.
Also, the use of the term "Lead Out" , i had previously assumed this to mean the "leading" of energy "out of" a vectored force field, such as a constant gravitational or magnetic field, by use of non-perpendicular vector forces.
However, after reading several public conversations between yourself and Mr. Lee, i am left to conclude that in your native language (mandarin chinese??) this term may hold a much different meaning. I am not sure what the proper translation into american english would/should be, but in the context in which it is often used, the term "Lead Out" has no existential meaning. perhaps you could expand a little more about what this means to you.
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i look forward to it.
Also, the use of the term "Lead Out" , i had previously assumed this to mean the "leading" of energy "out of" a vectored force field, such as a constant gravitational or magnetic field, by use of non-perpendicular vector forces.
However, after reading several public conversations between yourself and Mr. Lee, i am left to conclude that in your native language (mandarin chinese??) this term may hold a much different meaning. I am not sure what the proper translation into american english would/should be, but in the context in which it is often used, the term "Lead Out" has no existential meaning. perhaps you could expand a little more about what this means to you.
I think that what mr. Tseung means by lead out energy is "produce energy".
Jesus
Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 04, 2010, 12:37:13 PM
i look forward to it.
Also, the use of the term "Lead Out" , i had previously assumed this to mean the "leading" of energy "out of" a vectored force field, such as a constant gravitational or magnetic field, by use of non-perpendicular vector forces.
However, after reading several public conversations between yourself and Mr. Lee, i am left to conclude that in your native language (mandarin chinese??) this term may hold a much different meaning. I am not sure what the proper translation into american english would/should be, but in the context in which it is often used, the term "Lead Out" has no existential meaning. perhaps you could expand a little more about what this means to you.
In Chinese, LEAD-OUT has the following meaning:
(1) There is some form of energy present in the surrounding at all times. That energy can be gravitational, magnetic, electric, electromagnetic or any other form.
(2) LEAD-OUT refers to a mechanism or a device that can bring the energy in (1) into the invention in a controllable way. In Chinese, LEAD-OUT has the same meaning as DRAW-IN in this case.
(3) The LEAD-OUT energy can be very large and can be very different in form or "usage mechanism" from the “initial or excitation “ energy.
(4) An example can be a boat on a lake with a layer of floating oil. Some initial or excitation energy (such as human muscle to pull up buckets of oil) will be needed to get some of the oil to the engine in the boat. The boat can use the energy of the oil (LEAD-OUT energy from the surrounding.) to propel the boat. The energy can also be used to continuously pump oil replacing the human muscle.
(5) The theoretical breakthrough in FLEET is the concept of resonance. In the breakthrough, we assume that electron motion energy is always present in the electrons of all surrounding molecules. Such energy can be compared with the layer of oil in example (4). If we do not know how to use it, we may even believe that the sticky oil impedes the motion of the boat!
(6) We know that at or near resonance, the magnitude of the amplitude (swinging angle, voltage, current, power etc.) will increase exponentially. If we assume that we can LEAD-OUT energy from the surrounding, the COP will be greater than one(e.g. 1.5). On loopback, the increase can be 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5….. This is an excellent explanation of the exponential behavior.
The Gadgetmail heater, the Steven Mark TPU, the Stan Meyer HHO car, the Don Smith resonance devices, the Tong Wheel, the Wang Generator etc. are all examples of LEAD-OUT energy devices. The source of energy can be gravitational, electron motion etc. The efficiency and the actual LEAD-OUT mechanisms are different.
Most researchers not believing in LEAD-OUT energy may even believe that they have violated the Law of Conservation of Energy. They think (and some even wrote) that they have created energy from nowhere. Without the solid theory, they might have hit on an incidence (or a frequency) that could use some LEAD-OUT energy.
Now we understand the whole theory and the experimental subtleties. We are in a position of LEADING-OUT as much energy as we desire. We are taking the advice of the academics from Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua etc. We shall let them do the vigorous scientific verification first. They have also offered to write the Papers and present them at top conferences. It is a win-win for them and for me.
I have been writing about Lead-Out Energy since 2004. There is still no wide-spread acceptance. I believe if the above academic institutions write about it, there will be acceptance within weeks. They will also have the FLEET devices to confirm the theoretical predictions. They all have more than two oscilloscopes, signal generators, LCR circuits and knowledgeable researchers. They will all have working prototypes to verify. (I have the Tong Wheel but still no acceptance.) The chance of their verifying and improving the Lead-out energy theory and devices is almost a guarantee. When there is competition amongst themselves, there will be no holding back! The World will benefit together.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
@A
The term "Lead Out" has many interpretations. One reason it has not been accepted is the lack of credable evidence or measurement to support what is claimed. I suggest given this that you change it to "Mislead Out"
It is not you have deliberately mislead anyone but more that you have mislead yourself. It a common symptom that many actually want to believe in something that hard they only see what they want to see. It then becomes a matter of faith as reflected in your most recent postings.
i still encourage you continue with your brilliant enthusiasm, however it also has to be balanced by reality.
Mark
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@A
The term "Lead Out" has many interpretations. One reason it has not been accepted is the lack of credable evidence or measurement to support what is claimed. I suggest given this that you change it to "Mislead Out"
It is not you have deliberately mislead anyone but more that you have mislead yourself. It a common symptom that many actually want to believe in something that hard they only see what they want to see. It then becomes a matter of faith as reflected in your most recent postings.
i still encourage you continue with your brilliant enthusiasm, however it also has to be balanced by reality.
Mark
i agree that faith / religion has no place in this type of research. I would also support a name change. The above definition of the term is too broad and encompassing. He is attempting to define several unique processes under one term, or word-set.
Energy in one place, with a mechanism to move it to another place is "Lead Out". Are you serious? Proving different ways to move energy around is great, but it cannot apply to a new theory, unless the mechanism is clearly defined. If you apply Lead-Out theory to a field of force, there may be room to support it with evidentiary facts. However, if you also apply the same theory to a completely different scenerio, such as an electromagnetic field, a static point-charge, or the rythmic pulses from an atomic structure: these are completely different mechanisms and as such, should not be defined by the Lead-Out theory, that was applied to a uniform field. The two do not correlate. Just as the example of the boat scooping its own oil. this is a completely different mechanism than extracting gravitational force to perform useful work.
I think for Lead-Out theory to have any credibility at all, it needs to be clearly defined, and applied to specific mechanisms. Not all-inclusive.
and there needs to be a working FE device to demonstrate the theory.
Mark...
Lack of Credible evidence that energy can be lead out ?????
I guess you never considered my Speaker Example.
It's very simple to understand.
Take a Speaker and make it run without Ferromagnetic Materials (no magnet---no Iron-- Just coils).
You will then find out how much energy it takes to set up a Dynamic Magnetic Energy System.
Then put back in the the Magnet... and the Iron to find out how much energy you saved by using infinite electron motion.
I say Using Infinite Electron Motion --- Tseung calls it Leading Out Electron Energy.
Hope this helps.
The Observer
P.S. And Chris C... last I saw a few months ago you were whining on Tseung's Lead out Thread that he was no longer around for you to insult.
Meanwhile he had started this thread and was posting daily on it.
3 months later you finally figured out he started another thread... then continue the harassment... without a shred of science knowledge.
All I can think is.. this guy is so stupid he doesn't even know how to read the front page of OU.com.
Cheers
Quote from: The Observer on July 05, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
Mark...
Lack of Credible evidence that energy can be lead out ?????
I guess you never considered my Speaker Example.
It's very simple to understand.
Take a Speaker and make it run without Ferromagnetic Materials (no magnet---no Iron-- Just coils).
You will then find out how much energy it takes to set up a Dynamic Magnetic Energy System.
Then put back in the the Magnet... and the Iron to find out how much energy you saved by using infinite electron motion.
I say Using Infinite Electron Motion --- Tseung calls it Leading Out Electron Energy.
Hope this helps.
The Observer
That is a example of lead out energy? I think you might want to go back to the start of the Lead Out thread you referred Chris C to. He spends a great deal of time trying to push the theory and it didn't seem to have anything to do with running a speaker from some how harnessing electron motion? He might of morphed it to encompass this Phenomenon as he has done with Orbo, Bendini, Steven Mark, the joule thief and many other devices invented by others but just slapping a Lead Out sticker on something dose not verify the theory or make that device his.
But the man is persistent I'll give him that, he has been trying to get money from folks long before I have been around. Hopefully he wont hurt some investor or make anyone go broke and loose too much.
Good Luck Pete
There is nothing wrong with his theory.
The problem is that he attaches it to hoaxes!
He should keep it as a theory and not mention devices that he thinks work in that manner...
while L.T. may know that:
..."The pen is mightier than the sword"
I don't think he understands that;
..."The production line is mightier than the mouth."
:S:MarkSCoffman
Vonwolf
You said
Quoteslapping a Lead Out sticker on something dose not verify the theory or make that device his.
I can't argue with that.
Pulsed DC Transformer with magnet... yea I agree... not likely...
Resonating Transformer with Resonant Circuits... I wouldn't bet against it.. would you?
Show me someone who has been bamboozled though?
No one that I am aware of.
Best Regards,
The Observer
One of our fellow free energy inventors, David Chi from Taiwan, announced his version of the Tong Wheel today July 7, 2010. His Company is called Phemax Technologies Inc. He named his invention “Inertia Propulsion-Generation Wheelâ€.
His contact information is:
Phemax Technologies ,Inc
Michelle Chen
Manager, Marketing and Business Development
Tel: 886-2-2371-5622
Email: michelle@phemax-corp.com
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 06, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
One of our fellow free A inventors, David Chi from Taiwan, announced his version of the Tong Wheel today July 7, 2010. His Company is called Phemax Technologies Inc. He named his invention “Inertia Propulsion-Generation Wheelâ€.
His contact information is:
Phemax Technologies ,Inc
Michelle Chen
Manager, Marketing and Business Development
Tel: 886-2-2371-5622
Email: michelle@phemax-corp.com
Did they attained OU?
Jesus
Quote from: The Observer on July 05, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
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Lack of Credible evidence that energy can be lead out ?????
...
I say Using Infinite Electron Motion
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"Infinite Electron Motion" are magical words like "lead out energy".
No observations, no reproducible facts, no measures from independent teams, no maths : completely outside of science.
Quote from: markdansie on July 04, 2010, 08:51:22 PM
@A
The term "Lead Out" has many interpretations. One reason it has not been accepted is the lack of credable evidence or measurement to support what is claimed. I suggest given this that you change it to "Mislead Out"
...
Excellent suggestion :D
Ex,
No Observations?? WTF
QuoteMark...
Lack of Credible evidence that energy can be lead out ?????
I guess you never considered my Speaker Example.
It's very simple to understand.
Take a Speaker and make it run without Ferromagnetic Materials (no magnet---no Iron-- Just coils).
You will then find out how much energy it takes to set up a Dynamic Magnetic Energy System.
Then put back in the the Magnet... and the Iron to find out how much energy you saved by using infinite electron .
I say Using Infinite Electron Motion --- Tseung calls it Leading Out Electron Energy.
Hope this helps.
The Observer
Think about this for a while... and if you know how it works.. you will see that Infinite Electron Motion is definitely exploited.
Let me know if you can't understand this... I will break it down if need be.
Have a good day,
The Observer
P.S. It is highly likely that posters like you...(who say there is no energy to lead out, or however you want to say it)
work for those who would sacrifice our world for a few measly bucks.
Let me know what you are working on Ex... I would be very interested to know !
Quote from: The Observer on July 07, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
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No Observations?? WTF
Think about this for a while... and if you know how it works.. you will see that Infinite Electron Motion is definitely exploited.
...
Same speech, said another way:
"I have a theory. If your experiments don't work, the reason is that you have not followed my theory" ;D
Science doesn't work this way. Science is based on observations. You see something new? Really? Show us. Well how this thing can happen? Here is the theory to explain what you observe...
The first step is an observation. Nothing new to observe, thus no new science or theory to do.
X,
You don't even know how a speaker works do you?
hmmm.
As for Observations... you're gunna need to take your blinders off.
The only way to truly see something is to Observe without Judgment.
Since you think there is no new science... you are definitely Judging... which means you can't see.
Which is why I say you have Blinders on.
The Observer
P.S. Personally I don't think you have the blinders on... more that you or those that pay you are afraid of free energy.
What a Bunch of Greedy Fucking Cowards.
Grow up, get some courage and embrace a new way of life.. you will still be rich.
Jees.
Quote from: exnihiloest on July 07, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
<snip< completely outside of science.
That's the good part :D
Hi, guys, since you are dealing with transformers in this thread, would you like to examine the idea mentioned by Bruce TPU, (Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER,) which begins here (Reply#4):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg243399#msg243399
My lack of knowledge about transformers does not allow me to undertake such experiments. Sorry.
Q
@ The Observer
A Speaker uses a magnet, similar to the way a Self-Closing door uses a Spring or hydraulic cylinder.
the magnet establishes a base-field around the coil., when electricity flows through the coil (finite electron motion), it alters the magnetic field, and the coil's field pushes against it.
this assists the coil during the field collapse, and allows it to change directions easily. not free energy, just a way to not waste a lot.
silimarly, when you open a self-closing door, you only have to push it in one direction. you're not wasting the energy it would normally take to close the door. - you are putting the energy into the door springs, and getting it back when the door closes itself.
in the speaker, this extra energy is maintained until the oscillating signal ceases. you put the energy in once, at the begining, then it is maintained by the changing flux and the field collapse. This observed as a slight current increase when you first charge the coil.
if you had no magnet, you have to create a field large and strong enough, that it does not collapse, before the signal changes directions, otherwise the coil has nothing to "push off of".
- thus it takes a lot of power for a coil-speaker to drive itself without a magnet.
the infinite electron motion in the magnet simply establishes a magnetic field (spring) for the coil to work off of. like a kid on a pogo-stick. you jump once, then after that, you just bounce..
its not extracting or "leading-out" any energy from the magnet.
Smoky,
Quote- thus it takes a lot of power for a coil-speaker to drive itself without a magnet.
Yep... that's part 1... now Part 2
The 'iron' inside the coil that is attached to the diaphragm.
Why 'iron' inside the coil?... and... could you drive the a speaker without the iron?
The Observer
Yes you could drive a speaker without the iron core, but it would not be efficient at all. The same way you can make a JT circuit with out a core. If you have enough windings, it can be done as many have done so. The iron magnetizes and de-magnetizes very quickly without retaining any of the residual magnetic field. There is no magic in this as I see it, just basic electronics. I can run my Bedini motors without a core and have done so. In some applications, no core is actually desirable. (JonnyDavro's one magnet no bearing Bedini motor for example)
Bill
Quote from: The Observer on July 10, 2010, 03:40:41 PM
Smoky,
Yep... that's part 1... now Part 2
The 'iron' inside the coil that is attached to the diaphragm.
Why 'iron' inside the coil?... and... could you drive the a speaker without the iron?
The Observer
yes. there was a time when speakers did not have this piece.
its not just any iron, it is a soft iron that can respond to a wide range of frequencies. the purpose for adding this, if you look at how the coil is wound: the iron sits at the base of the coil, and recieves the full induction of the EMF. This is like a "kick plate". the two magnetic fields (magnet and iron) push and pull against one another to move the cone.
This is also accomplished in some speakers, by use of a secondary coil, through which a DC current is sent to create a biasing field. These speakers draw more direct power to run them, but require less amplification of the signal. these are generally used in applications where the use of an amplifier circuit is impracticle.
Quote from: Qwert on July 08, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
Hi, guys, since you are dealing with transformers in this thread, would you like to examine the idea mentioned by Bruce TPU, (Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER,) which begins here (Reply#4):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg243399#msg243399
My lack of knowledge about transformers does not allow me to undertake such experiments. Sorry.
Q
Thank you for the valuable information. It looks like some of the information there is patented.
I have been praying for Devine Guidance. Should I patent the lead-out energy technology? Should I give it freely to the World? The answer came from the photos and videos from the poor areas in the World. They do not have electricity nor running water.
In a single sentence, the technology is:
Leading out Electron Motion Energy via resonance circuits.We have experimented with the two following scenarios:
1. A toroid transformer with LCR oscillating circuits in the Primary and the Secondary limb. The Input Power (starting power) is from a signal generator that can generate 10 Volts peak-to-peak. It is similar to the Thane Heins Bi-Toroid Transformer.
2. A Joule Thief type arrangement with the Input Power (starting power) from a battery or from a signal generator. It is similar to the Gadgetmail 1.5 V heater.
The preliminary results indicate that both Thane Heins and Gadgetmail devices are NOT hoaxes. With the correct configuration and loopback mechanisms, we can lead-out (or draw-in) as much energy as desired.
Many different toroids, winding techniques, LCR values, shapes, dimensions etc. are possible. The major theoretical breakthrough is that â€" electron motion energy is always available. Many arrangements can lead-out such energy continuously and loopback is possible. When not at resonance, the mechanisms may counter each other. (We even managed to get zero power output in one configuration!). At controlled resonance, the mechanisms can loopback and produce the characteristic exponential increase in amplitude (or keep drawing-in energy until the electronics fail).
With Devine Help and Guidance, we shall lay out the technology and the implementation plans to produce the FLEET devices that will cost less than HK$200 in material. Such FLEET devices should produce enough electricity for the average home. The expected life of such devices is ten years.
The information is likely to “break†the Tong Wheel Patents and the Thane Heins Patents. Is it the will of the Almighty? Through the humble and lowly hands of mine â€" benefit the World, including the poorest families. The poor villagers can be taught to wind the toroids and set up the circuits. With infinite lead-out energy available to them (and no oil interests to suppress them), their life style will change for the better within a few years. Will anyone take on the task of developing model farms, model villages, model cities etc assuming infinite energy is available?????
Thank you for all you do Lawrence & for wanting to help the world in need.
We are looking forward to hearing more about your great inventions sir.
.
I am looking forward to hearing from Forever.
Bill
Quote from: FatBird on July 11, 2010, 12:59:52 PM
Thank you for all you do Lawrence & for wanting to help the world in need.
We are looking forward to hearing more about your great inventions sir.
.
Magic revealed (Step 1)
The first step is to replace the battery with a Signal Generator. We tried different models of Signal Generators. The one shown is a cheap one (RMB$275) that can generate sine or square waves from 1 to 1 million Hertz. The maximum peak-to-peak voltage is 20.
We can use either the sine or square wave function to light up the LED. We tried the direct connection. We tried the transformer connection. We tried the Joule Thief connection. All worked.
The brightness of the LED depended on the frequency and the amplitude.I am sure that many of you are in a position of repeating and confirming the above. Post your pictures and videos. Step 1 cannot be wrong.
(to be continued)
Magic Revealed (Step 2)
Get two oscilloscopes to measure Input Power and Output Power. I used two RMB$1,800 oscilloscopes that can display waveforms on Channel 1 and Channel 2. Channel 1 displays instantaneous voltage. Channel 2 displays instantaneous current. Their product is the instantaneous power. It does not matter whether the voltage is DC, AC, sine. Rectangle, pulsed etc.
The good thing with the Oscilloscope is that the waveform can be displayed. Any back EMF or strange characteristics can be seen. Their use overcomes the criticism that cheap meters cannot correctly display the power.
We can repeat experiments similar to those from Thane Heins. We can pulse the Joule Thief circuits similar to Gadgetmail. The preliminary results indicated that both Heins and Gadgetmail are NOT hoaxes. We shall repeat, confirm and verify such results.
The top Universities we contacted all have two oscilloscopes (more expensive and have more functionality). They have knowledgeable researchers. I shall give them time to double check and provide the conclusive results. Few will doubt the carefully researched work from the likes of Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua etc.
Those who are impatient can buy two oscilloscopes, a signal generator, inductors, capacitors, resistors, toroids and miscellaneous electronics parts to do similar verifications as the top Universities. You are welcome to report your findings in this forum.
The difficulty is the care and the infinite patience required. Resonance Hunting at present is an art. Too low or too high a frequency will not give the desired results. The few groups in Hong Kong and/or Shenzhen that claimed success are guarding their findings as top commercial secrets. (How much money can be made if you can sell the Steven Mark like TPU to produce 1 KW today?)
(to be continued)
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 11, 2010, 10:15:04 AM
Will anyone take on the task of developing model farms, model villages, model cities etc assuming infinite energy is available?????
If you are able to provide a working infinite power source, i have the resources to have constructed one Off-Grid: life-size model city, with a comparible power load to test with. It can be used as a working demonstration, with video feeds and a crew of 15 working 5 at a time, in rotation 5 days a week, to monitor and document the operation of the system. and a professional power plant management team on duty at all times day and night. Any additional on-site staff requirements would have to be provided by your team.
I also have someone who would donate webspace for the video feeds to be live (public or private, your choice) on the internet for live remote viewing of the "free energy powered city".
the construction of the model city will not be habitable for people to live in, except for the buildings that are used as office space, for the designated crew members and their equipment.
The model-city can have a customized load, up to a comparible power load to that of an actual large city.
Please be aware, that any power generation source that is to be used in this model city, must be in compliance with the specifications of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission.
The device must not emit any unshielded radiation at any of the frequencies, sets of frequencies, or sub-sets of frequencies that are under F.C.C. restriction, as described by United States Law.
Registration of the device with the F.C.C. will not be required, until the device is being produced for use by the general public.
Test(Model) units do not need to be registered.
Magic revealed (Step 3)
The toroid.
We can use the transformer winding technique or the Joule Thief winding technique. The more interesting is the combination. It is a combination of hard work and luck to get a good overunity configuration.
See picture for details.
(to be continued)
Lawrence,
Thank you very much for sharing your results and GREAT PHOTOS sir.
.
I am sorry guy's but there is not going to be any magic here. :-\
I had no idea but by looking at those pictures i can tell this man needs about at least 20 years of additional research and devellopment to come up with something that is worth our time.
XS,
Tseung is about 60 years older than the dude in the pic.
And because they are experimenting with resonant cicuits on both sides of a ferromagnetic transformer...
I would say the Magic is very near.
Tseung.. find the resonant frequency of each toroid,
then make Primary and Secondary circuits the same Frequency.
That should do it.
The Observer
Quote from: XS-NRG on July 12, 2010, 08:15:55 PM
I had no idea ...
You are right, you have no idea. ;D
Quote from: The Observer on July 12, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
And because they are experimenting with resonant cicuits on both sides of a ferromagnetic transformer...
I would say the Magic is very near.
Tseung.. find the resonant frequency of each toroid,
then make Primary and Secondary circuits the same Frequency.
That should do it.
The Observer
We did it. The scope shot proved that conclusively. We shall reproduce at least 10 such toroids and send them to the top academic institutions for verification.
Patrick Kelly will have one so that he can write the story even better. Stefan will have one â€" so that the overunity prize can go to Gadgetmail to help his cancer treatment.
The resonance hunting is an art. It takes knowledge, patience and luck. Edison tried thousands of material before he invented the light bulb. We sweated and we had luck.
It was only a few dozen tries.Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
The happy but tired team
The student helpers finally mastered the oscilloscope to the point that they could display instantaneous Voltage on channel 1 and instantaneous Current on channel 2. They can even display the instantaneous power. In the picture, the top is instantaneous voltage, the bottom is instantaneous current and the middle is instantaneous power.
The same experiment will be repeated dozens of times before sharing the details with the academics. They will help to establish the credibility. The lead-out energy theory is confirmed and many accused hoaxes will rise from the dead. The Patent Offices around the World will have major headaches.
This guy is only looking for people he can fool and i think it's too bad that most of the people here buy it.
They will find out this Ltseung is not anywhere near some magic, eventually.
Somebody once say to me, people like to be fooled.
I guess he was correct.
This shit ain't worth my time.
TSeung, i disrepect you for wasting other peoples precious time.
I hope karma will get you back.
Lawrence, thank you for sharing your work and nice photos sir.
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For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with their HUGE FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
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Quote from: FatBird on July 13, 2010, 02:51:35 PM
Lawrence, thank you for sharing your work and nice photos sir.
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DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION to the NEGATIVE TROLLS.
For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with their HUGE FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
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Thank you, FatBird. Scopes cannot lie. The top is the Input. The bottom is the Output. The particular graph is the Instantaneous Power. The area under the peaks represent energy over that period. It is obvious that the Output Energy is much higher than the Input Energy in our experiment.
Appropriate tuning will increase this value even more.
Quote from: FatBird on July 13, 2010, 02:51:35 PM
DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION to the NEGATIVE TROLLS.
For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with their HUGE FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
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Are you calling Lawrence a troll? If you think so then why are you reading this topic? This makes no sense.
Bill
No Bill he is calling me a troll.
This is about the overunity prize.
When someone signs up for the overunity contest we can assume this person has a working prototype and is willing to share it with us so that Stefan can check if it is real and we can start replication atempts.
In stead of presenting us a prototype, we get what?
We get long time prayers, and after a long time we see they start to wrap primitive tpu's.
Now that's not how the contest was ment to be, and there simply is no room for prayers in this community, so i talked to Stefan to see if it is possible to put a time limit on the OU contest so we do not have to read all the prayers and waste our time to find out somebody has a theory but not yet a working prototype.
I think that is reasonable.
The OU Prize contest is quite clear about this.
I was expecting to see something that was somewhat diffrent from what is presented, and i think more people will agree that these pictures are nice but they still do not allow us to verify if it meet's the 3 months 1 Watt challenge.
To do that we need to follow the rules that Stefan established, so we can put it to the test.
Whenever i post a negative reply to a topic i am imediatly termed "dis-info agent" "troll" etc, but those people fail to see why i am negative about the situation.
I do hope this clears it up somewhat, as it is not my goal to dismantle anybody's ideas.
Whoever want's to sign up for the contest has to play by the rules.
We already have plenty of theory's and topic's around ,what we need now is something we can put to the test.
Afterall that is what we all are looking for right?
XSNRG
Pirate... XS was deemed the troll.
XS. You fail to acknowledge that Tseung is now doing some very viable experiments.
Yes he is from a foreign country, may think and act a bit different..
... he might even be a bit crazy like me.
But... He is working on Something and you Aren't.
( if I am wrong about this.. Please Share !)
I said this years ago,
When you mix RESONANCE and materials with a HIGH MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY you will get some interesting results.
You should also be aware that Tsueng never applied the prize.
Ole Stefan moved this thread to OverUnity Prize from the Subject it was originally started in.
Finally, there are a few such as yourself who think that LT is out to swindle them.
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That's fine... just show me 1 person who claims they lost money.
Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on July 13, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
But... He is working on Something and you Aren't.
( if I am wrong about this.. Please Share !)
You are very wrong.
Quote from: The Observer on July 13, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
I said this years ago,
When you mix RESONANCE and materials with a HIGH MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY you will get some interesting results.
Intresting results yes, overunity, i don't think so.
I have my reasons for thinking that, but i am also open minded.
Quote from: The Observer on July 13, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
You should also be aware that Tsueng never applied the prize.
Regards,
The Observer
Okay that cetainly clears up things.
I was unaware of that thinking he wanted to have a go at the money.
Thank you.
i just have a moral objection to the fact that he tries to apply "lead-out" theory to every alleged overunity system.
even ones that dont apply to this type of theory.
not all anomolies can be prescribed back into the realm of currently accepted physics. period.
attempting to do so is just jumping back down the rabbit hole that the mistakes of current physics have kept us trapped in for the past 50 years.
We know that the accredited physics that is taught in schools today is wrong. can we prove it to be wrong in many situations.
the professors teaching it know it is incorrect, or at the very least, incomplete. They continue teaching it because the accretidation board tells them "you teach this".
The only way to fight them is to hit them head on, and force them to rewrite the current theories.
This is not going to happen by creating a whole new B.S. theory that goes along with current physics, and makes an acceptable thermodynamic argument. It is just supporting the physics that we already know to be wrong. and making an excuse for the situations where we can PROVE it to be wrong.
i find that aproach to be morally reprehensible, and unscientific.
Start with making free energy. get that part right FIRST.
THEN you can try to attempt to write a theory about it.
or at the very least, you should perform the experiments that will prove or disprove your theory. not just half-ass evidentiary claims with tid-bits of supporting facts squeezed in where they fit.
that is not how science works....
For instance, if you set up a resonating signal such that its potential increases exponentially, then extract the energy (which causes an expontial decrease back down to the potential of hte original source signal)- you will have proven that you ended up with the same thing you started with (minus losses).
this is how science is done. carefully measured and accurate.
you did HALF of the experiment, and shouted "look! its "leading out energy"!!!
NO,. you were just leading yourself on. Try it again, but this time take the energy out and measure it accurately. store it, convert it, use it to perform 'work'.
You can stack signals on top of each other all day long, in "resonance" or constructive interference, until you blow up your device in a massive spark. all of that energy that caused that, is from you putting it into the circuit, in a repetitive cycle. (Hz)
I have no quarrells with someone trying to write a new scientific theory. That is how advancements in technology are made.
But dont do it theologically, do it Scientifically.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 13, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
Scopes cannot lie.
Scopes can certainly lie...
You cannot use a scope to measure input versus output and claim overunity by just that.
You need to do some real power measurements.
Smokey,
So what you are working on... any coils of wire wrapped around a Ferromagnetic Material with High Permeability?
Resonance... Are you aware that the Acoustic Chamber of an Acoustic Guitar AMPLIFIES the sound
from the string.
No.. an electric guitar (unplugged) doesn't ring 1000's of times longer to make up for the difference.
Yes... the acoustic guitar actually rings longer as a result of feedback between the string and body.
Smokey,
Moral Objection?
He's got people working a lab and sharing the information.
Leading out Electron Motion Energy is nothing new.
You don't need to be pissed because he came up with a good name for it.
A regular audio speaker leads out electron energy.
When you make a speaker without a Magnet or Iron
you can find out how much energy it takes to run a speaker.
When you put them back in...measure the energy again...
subtract and bingo you will find exactly the energy contributed to the
dynamic magnetic energy system (the Speaker)
by the ferromagnetic materials.
This example pretty much goes over most peoples heads as I have recited it time again with little indication comprehension.
This is TRUE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY.
Once they stop staying something is more efficient when it 'steals' energy from somewhere else.. we will be making progress.
Regards,
The Observer
@ observer
i tried to explain the speakers to you
your analogy is like paul bunyan vs the chainsaw.
dragging a box, or putting it on Wheels....
the acoustic chamber of the guitar converts the energy of you strumming the chord, causing the strings to vibrate, making a reverberating sound, and echoing it back to you louder than the string by itself.
its like shouting in a field, vs shouting in a cave, or mountainous region.
electric guitars are designed intentionally to NOT do this to such a large degree, so the electric pick-up can deliver the quality sound to the Amp without all the feedback. this gives it adjustability in Volume (dB). the trade-off is sound quality and energy consumption.
just like the speaker example:
lift a heavy object.
you can suspend a heavy object from a spring. now push this object up. ooooh wow, you can lift this heavy object up and down several times with your pinky!!!
the spring must have "led out" some energy from the gravitational field !! no... i do not think so...
Quote from: XS-NRG on July 13, 2010, 01:14:41 PM
This guy is only looking for people he can fool and i think it's too bad that most of the people here buy it.
They will find out this Ltseung is not anywhere near some magic, eventually.
Somebody once say to me, people like to be fooled.
I guess he was correct.
This shit ain't worth my time.
Your problem is that you don't understand the physics of overunity.
Smokey,
Do you get that it takes energy to set up a Dynamic Magnetic Energy Field.
It's not free.. the Energy really does come from somewhere and can be calculated by any amateur physicist.
(Energy w/out Ferro) - (Energy w/Ferro) = (Energy Contributed by Ferro)
Pretty simple,... tell me what you don't understand.
You do know that Ferros posses unpaired infinitely spinning electrons that produce a Magnetic Field?
This is where I say the free energy is coming from since it is common knowledge that you usually
need to pay someone to get the electrons to move !!!
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As for the Acoustic vs. Electric Guitar.
An Acoustic Guitar is at least 1000 times louder than an Electric (unplugged)
Same string... Same strum.
Any brainwashed person will not be able to see this for what it is... Amplification of Energy.
A smaller Vibration is turned into a larger Vibration.
And to trump that.. the larger Vibration also Vibrates longer !!!
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Ok.. I am wrong that you are not working on anything,
I ask again.. does it have coils of wire wrapped around a Ferromagnetic Substance??
Best Regards,
The Observer
Deleted. Wrong topic.
:)
QuoteDoes anybody know where to find a descent size some 2"+ OD and 6"+ length (preferably with the hole in a middle) ferrite/soft iron core.
Steel/iron pipe - last resort?
I bought some black iron pipes at Home Depot. They cut it to length as well. They might have something close to what you're looking for. It's probably the optimal kind, but thought I'd mention it.
B
@ observer
I understand the point you are trying to make, but i disagree with the fundamental assumptions you are basing it on.
TRUE: it takes energy to artificially establish a magnetic field
TRUE: a permanent magnet does this for free.
this does not mean the permanent magnet provides "energy".
it does not, it provides "force". there is a huge difference.
YES, you can waste energy creating your own force, but why WOULD YOU? when you can just use a magnet.
if you were actually extracting energy from the electrons (which directly affects the protons), the molecular structure of the FE2O3 (or whatever type of magnet you use) would decay into isotopes and literally break down.
serious "half-life" implications with what you are trying to claim here. this is proven by experiments of a para/dia magnetic interface. depending on the permeability of the substance, either magnetism is lost or the atomic structure becomes unstable.
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lets look at it like this, if you were to go out into space, and propel an object of given mass with an acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 it would take an EMORMOUS ammount of energy to keep that up.
if you take that same object and drop it from space into the earth's field, gravity would do this for free.
lead-out?? no lead-on..
the gravitational field only provides FORCE. and it is unidirectional.
yes the object has a great deal of energy by the time it hits the ground, but in theory you started out on earth and had to use just as much energy to get the object up there in the first place.
the magnetic field is no different. except that we can change the direction of the force by changing the direction of current in our coil.
but exactly like gravity, we use just as much energy to cause a vibration in one direction, as the magnetic field kicks back to us in the other. which is why i often compare it to a "spring".
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lets go back to the guitar.
if you play lets say a "C" at around 278 Hz,
that means that your string is vibrating back and forth 278 times per second.
so to put that in perspective, an acoustic guitar is like shouting into a cave 278 times per second.
then compare that to a guy shouting in a field.
one would just be a guy shouting in a field...
the other would probably knock you down!
that seems like a lot of energy doesnt it??
its really not. measure your shout (dB)
then calculate the energy, and multiply by 278.
then multiply again by the number of seconds you shouted for.
and you see it is way more energy than it takes to knock down a person of your size.
this is exactly how the acoustic guitar works, except instead of shouting 278 times, you strum the chord once, and its string-like design holds the waveform in a repetitive pattern until the energy is dissapated. the guitar (or cave) sees the vibrating signal exactly the same as an actual shout ( or the initial strum), and the echo stacks up identically from the string as it would from a repetitive shouting.
if you string a taught-line with a can on one end, and shout down that into the cave, a similar effect will occur. and you wont have to shout so much.
so this "shouting-guitar-cave" is "Lead-out"? no lead-on
the energy consumed to CREATE initial shout (or strum of the guitar string) is still more than the combined echoes (reverberation) of the signal. and as soon as the source stops, the echoes decay in amplitude until there is nothing left to reflect back through the acoustic chamber.
ths is a well known /well studied aspect of acoustic engineering.
acoustic reverberation is not "overunity" by any sense of the term.
the electric guitar is designed to NOT do this. meaning the acoustic guitar wastes LESS energy to produce its sound.
the accumulation of those soundwaves, however, do not contain more energy than the guitar player (or cave shouter) put into the system.
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as far as ferro-inductors are concerned, i have played with my fair-share of Joule-Thiefs and the like.
i've lit the 30-LED for a week with a (mostly) dead battery.
and from my capacitor experiments, i have concluded that this is likely to be an effect of pulse-discharging the battery. not from the ferro-material giving you any sort of feed-back energy.
but thats a topic for a whole other thread. ( in fact i think its split into 4 different threads now)
have i applied resonance to a ferro-core? absolutely not.
sure we can use the cores at pretty much any frequency within its range (determined by permeability)
but this is not the resonant frequency of the core. in fact, from what i understand of ferro/ ceramic cores, it would be difficult to put that much wire on them because of their small size. so,. tell me, what does YOUR resonant ferro-inductor look like? how did you build it? at what frequency does it resonate?
how much energy does it "lead-out" ?? or are you just leading us on.......
Smokey, Smokey ... Smokey,
Do you know about the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951?
ALL NOVEL SOURCES OF ENERGY MUST BE KEPT SECRET !!!!
Quote... Unquote.
There is a reason they don't mention leprechans and fairies with magic powers.
There are plenty sources of energy you don't have to pay for...
and the richest people in the world use thier money
to keep your money in thier pocket
by keeping these things secret and people brainwashed.
Fuck.. they even make efficient solar cells illegal !!
Yes it is true...
Goverments are also afraid of the massive loss in tax revenue that would come with Free Energy.
That is the current paradigm... that is where we are at... that is what is going to be broken down here.
If you don't understand that a speaker uses the magnet's as well as the iron's unpaired electron motion... that's fine.
If you can't hear that an acoustic guitar clearly amplifies sound energy with out paying the electric company... go ahead.
Perhaps there's something we can agree on in the future...
but for the record I'll stick to my guns when it comes to mixing materials
with a High Magnetic Permeability and Resonnce of Primary-Transformer and Secondary.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Smokey:
Thank your for your post. This was one of the problems with Lawrence's original topic about his theory. He, in my opinion, never accounted for the initial energy induced into the system. He was speaking of pendulums and how much energy they could "lead out". But, to me these are just energy storage devices, like a battery, and, you don't get out what you put into them much less even more than that.
His math never accounted for the initial energy input. So, if I have a swing with a weight on it and it is moving at X velocity, I can then "lead out" X + 2 energy out of it. But wait, how did the swing get to moving in the first place? That energy was never accounted for in his original theory. Never.
I have always admired Lawrence for his perseverance and his ability to shake off many vicious insults. He has more staying power than I do for sure. But my opinion of his theory is that it leaves out relevant input data, in which case, many other systems could be perceived as OU.
Bill
@ observer
i know very well the secrecy of the research we do.
ive studied the history of thousands of inventors of the past, and many seem to have eerily similar stories....
i've been around long enough to watch people here in these pages sell out to the industry.
ive seen misinformants come here with no intention other than discouraging us from doing what we do.
im not arguiing the facts you have presented.
only the way you are interpreting them.
you can perform the experiments to verify what i am telling you.
if you want i can even help you do that.
this is not some indoctrinated b.s. i pulled out of the books of the thermodynamically enslaved.
i myself have broken the laws of physics, i have defied the earth's atmosphere, i've proven einstein wrong and done things that would make steven hawking cry all over his wheelchair.
and i understand clearly how these things are able to take place, in defiance of some of the greatest minds mankind has ever known.
perhaps they were too smart for their own good ( and all of ours..)
there are secrets kept from our eyes that make the worlds largest supercomputer array look like child's play.
there are technologies that can play your body like a puppet, and most of the functions of your mind as well.
there are many things that SHOULD be kept secret.
i happen to believe infinite energy sources aren't one of them.
money makes the world go round my friend.
and those that take it from us will pay whatever they must to make sure they can keep taking it.
every day, drivers in the U.S. consume 378 million gallons of gasoline. @ $2.69 a gallon
electricity, jet fuel, coal, heating oils, natural gas, propane, deisel, rocket-fuels. <pause hmmmmmmm>
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When you have a high permeability core (as used in modern electronics) its' resonant frequency is much higher than the components that utilize it are capable of.
you can have your inductance/capacitances in resonance,
which is quite common. with a lower permeability core, you can actually get them all to resonate together.
however, i must admit in most applications the core material is the same across the system.
i can't say that ive tried to mix and match, there would be some timing issues with inductance [ed. of the core] that may lead to oddities in power levels. if i remember correctly, this one one of the things to avoid in the IEEE manual.
The full magic continued
The full magic continued
The construction of the Air Toroid for the demonstration prototype to be sent to Hong Kong University etc for verification is now fully disclosed.
The basic core material is cut from commercially available plastic pipes. My friendly hardware store owner cut his largest diameter pipes (17 cm) into 2 cm pieces for me. I got reels of the commercially available red-black lamp wires. The price was HK$88 for 100 meters.
There were two layer windings. The inner layer was the standard Joule Thief wiring. The outer layer was similar except that the four wire endings were connected differently. Two pairs of continuous looped wires were produced. I could use that as two Secondary Limbs or I could connect them to produce one long Secondary Limb.
The Magic is to use the Joule Thief circuit as the Primary of the Transformer. The magnetic flux induced by the pulsing Joule Thief leads-out electron motion energy as predicted. Some of this lead-out energy is transmitted to the Secondary.
Thus we can demonstrate overunity easily with our two oscilloscopes. We only need to have a LCR circuit in the Secondary to demonstrate overunity. A COP > 10 was achieved. Much higher values were also possible with additional tuning.
We can thus lead-out as much energy as desired.
(to be continued)
LT,
Good work man.
Smokey,
Thanks for your post.
I take back my thoughts that you may be a disinfo agent.
Best Regards,
The Observer
SUPER GOOD WORK Lawrence. Thank you for sharing your work & photos.
Can you please show a diagram of where a LOAD, like a bulb, would attach to.
Thanks.
.
Guys - abject apologies for being off topic. I'm trying to reach Hartiberlin. for some reason my personal message system is not working. Could I ask one of you to please forward this post to him. He can connect on Skype or email at ainslie@mweb.co.za
So sorry to impose but I've now tried everything. And right now he's on forum.
Kindest regards,
rosemary ainslie
Quote from: FatBird on July 15, 2010, 01:15:13 PM
SUPER GOOD WORK Lawrence. Thank you for sharing your work & photos.
Can you please show a diagram of where a LOAD, like a bulb, would attach to.
Thanks.
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Look at the diagram Experiment 1A.jpg carefully again. The load is attached to the LED position pointed by the words "transformer".
We are continuing the experiments with different loads, different LCRs and different Toroids. It appears that the Steven Mark type TPU that vibrates continuously and generating 1 KW is within reach. Once we get Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua etc into the loop as technical verifiers, the technology will mushroom.
There is no chance of the "oil interests" stopping the lead-out energy technology now.
Patrick Kelly is writing the article for the layman. His writing skills and availability of a working prototype in his room will benefit the World.
Quote from: witsend on July 15, 2010, 04:24:42 PM
Guys - abject apologies for being off topic. I'm trying to reach Hartiberlin. for some reason my personal message system is not working. Could I ask one of you to please forward this post to him. He can connect on Skype or email at ainslie@mweb.co.za
So sorry to impose but I've now tried everything. And right now he's on forum.
Kindest regards,
rosemary ainslie
Rosemary:
I messaged Stefan with a copy of your post.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 15, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
Rosemary:
I messaged Stefan with a copy of your post.
Bill
Many thanks Bill. You're a sweetheart. Now. Let's hope he answers. ???
EDITED. Btw. Thoroughly approve Sm0ky's sentiments. We need more of that.
@ Tsueng
be careful with the current measurements comming from your scope.
it is not a constant current through the pulse like one would think.
it actually is triangle-wave current.
the scope tells you the 'mean-current'. like this green line.
the current goes from 0, up to peak, then back to 0 (induction)
its not constantly providing current to the output.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 15, 2010, 11:42:31 PM
@ Tsueng
be careful with the current measurements comming from your scope.
it is not a constant current through the pulse like one would think.
it actually is triangle-wave current.
the scope tells you the 'mean-current'. like this green line.
the current goes from 0, up to peak, then back to 0 (induction)
its not constantly providing current to the output.
Correct. That is why the Electrical Engineering Professors at Hong Kong University advised me to use two oscilloscopes. Channel 1 measures the instantaneous voltage. Channel 2 measures the instantaneous current. Their unsigned product (Channel 1 * Channel 2) will provide the instantaneous power. It does not matter whether the voltage is AC or DC, pulsed or of any shape.
Please double check the above with your University Professors.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 16, 2010, 08:57:45 AM
Correct. That is why the Electrical Engineering Professors at Hong Kong University advised me to use two oscilloscopes. Channel 1 measures the instantaneous voltage. Channel 2 measures the instantaneous current. Their unsigned product (Channel 1 * Channel 2) will provide the instantaneous power. It does not matter whether the voltage is AC or DC, pulsed or of any shape.
Please double check the above with your University Professors.
You are correct. The mean of that product is correct. There has been a long discussion about this at the steorn thread concerning omnibus's data.
I hope you guys can close the loop.
Quote from: broli on July 16, 2010, 09:03:57 AM
You are correct. The mean of that product is correct. There has been a long discussion about this at the steorn thread concerning omnibus's data.
I hope you guys can close the loop.
Thank you, broli. That saved much typing from me.
The Magic continuedThe first simple experiment we did was to check the peak-to-peak voltages across our combined transformer/Joule Thief Toroid. Only 1 oscilloscope was used.
The results were as follows:
1. The Toroid was set-up with no load on the Secondary. The peak-to-peak voltage of the connected AA battery was measured. The AA battery should have a maximum DC voltage of close to 1.5V. Our AA battery was run-down. Furthermore, in a Joule Thief type environment, the voltage waveform was NOT DC nor simple sine wave. The pulsing via the 2N2222 transistor modified the Input considerably. The peak-to-peak voltage averaged over a couple of readings is 1.16V. That was taken to be the INPUT voltage.
2. The first Output peak-to-peak Voltage was taken across the LED of the Joule Thief circuit. The LED was on and current must be flowing. The pulsing in a Joule Thief circuit increased the Output peak-to-peak Voltage considerably. In our case, it was 18V. Thus our depleted AA battery could easily light up a 3V LED.
3. The second Output peak-to-peak Voltage was taken across the Secondary transformer winding. The two pairs (Red and Black) wires were connected as one. The Joule Thief circuit acted as the Primary of the transformer. The number of turns in the Secondary is roughly twice that of the Primary. In a normal transformer setting, we expect the voltage to double. In our setup, the Output peak-to-peak Voltage was 47V.
4. We then separated the Secondary transformer winding back to the Red and the Black pairs. The Output peak-to-peak Voltage across each pair was approximately 25 V.
5. From the surface, an AA battery giving 1.16V peak-to-peak could provide Outputs of 18V peak-to-peak as Joule Thief PLUS 47V peak-to-peak as Transformer. (or 25V + 25V as two pairs of Secondary). Such results cannot be explained by the normal electrical engineering courses.
In normal electrical engineering understanding, the current at the Secondary must go down to a very low level. The formula of Power = Voltage x Current (P=VI) would have been used. The assumption was that Output Power can at most be equal to Input Power. If V goes up, I must go down! That was the outcome of the Law of Conservation of Energy. No lead-out energy was considered.
When we put LEDs and resistors as load on the Secondary side, the LEDs lighted up brightly. It was obvious that the current flowing through was considerable. Electron motion energy must have been lead-out. Thus we were confident of the second experiment â€" measuring instantaneous Voltage and Current.
(to be continued)
The 2 oscilloscope testing circuit
The most important testing setup was the 2 oscilloscope arrangement. The Instantaneous Input Power and the Instantaneous Output Power graphs were displayed side-by-side. That greatly helped in the tuning. The LCR circuits were adjusted by watching these 2 oscilloscopes.
It is extremely important to realize that resonance hunting is still very much an art. The Output Instantaneous Power can show a COP >> 10. When the circuit is disassembled and reassembled with the same electronic components, the COP can drop to 3. It appeared that the clips used might change the frequency considerably. This is in line with our understanding of resonance â€" a few hertz to either side of the resonance condition will show sharp decline in amplitude.
Now the secret is out. Any research organization can buy two oscilloscopes; produce a two layer toroid; use the inner layer as Joule Thief to act as Primary. The outer layer acts as the Secondary of a transformer and an LCR circuit can be placed for tuning. At the appropriate settings, the COP can be much higher than 1. In a more advanced form, the battery can be replaced by a signal generator. Resonance Hunting via a full frequency sweep can take place. Once the correct frequency is found, a cheap oscillator circuit can replace the signal generator.
The actual size of the toroid, the core material, the exact electronic component parts can change. Resonant condition with COP > 1 can still be achieved. The “race†is to get the best configuration to lead-out most electron motion energy for actual products. Every team known to me told me that they would keep such information confidential as such information is worth many millions or billions.
The prototypes we sent to Universities for verification and disclosed in this forum will demonstrate overunity conclusively. However, they are NOT the best for products. You are encouraged to do your own tuning and join the race to benefit the World.
My side of the deal is â€" you do not need to pay any loyalty fees in using the FLEET technology. When you actually produce products and make money, please donate 10% of the net profit to a charitable organization of your choice. I recommend Help Seedlings Innovation Foundation Limited.
@ tseung
Could you share more about the results of your Current testing?
Keep in mind the LED is not always "ON". even though it appears to shine brightly, and constantly. the truth is it is "off" more than it is "on", your eyes cannot detect this because of the frequency.
the Current testing is the most important part of this set-up.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 16, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
@ tseung
Could you share more about the results of your Current testing?
Keep in mind the LED is not always "ON". even though it appears to shine brightly, and constantly. the truth is it is "off" more than it is "on", your eyes cannot detect this because of the frequency.
the Current testing is the most important part of this set-up.
Some actual test results on July 13 and July 14, 2010.
Tune your LCR circuits to get best results.
Best result on July 14, 2010
Nice work ltseung! This is very encouraging. Considering the difficulty gadgetmall had in duplicating the one JT circuit that seemed OU what you have stated here makes a lot of sense regarding the exact length wires or clip leads may have in relation to hitting the apparently very narrow 'window' for best resonance and overunity.
ltseung888
show everybody input power across a shunt resistor....versus output power acorss a load......then there will be no arguements
Quote from: e2matrix on July 16, 2010, 09:31:35 PM
Nice work ltseung! This is very encouraging. Considering the difficulty gadgetmall had in duplicating the one JT circuit that seemed OU what you have stated here makes a lot of sense regarding the exact length wires or clip leads may have in relation to hitting the apparently very narrow 'window' for best resonance and overunity.
Gadgetmail was very close. He also used a “transformer type circuitâ€. However, he used that to light LED only. If he had used that to supply power to the “loadâ€, he could have accomplished what we are demonstrating.
It is a pity that he got cancer and had to withdraw. As I stated, the overunity prize money will still go to him. Without standing on his shoulders, we could not have found the solution so quickly.
Our next obvious task is to reproduce the Steven Mark TPU. My stated goal is to produce a 1KW unit to help the poor nations. That particular configuration will be shown free to all. We may even want to set up factories in these poor nations.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 17, 2010, 01:38:08 AM
Gadgetmail was very close.
As I stated, the overunity prize money will still go to him.
No way.
That money will go to me!
@ tseung
Thank you so much for sharing all. Many other inventors failed to help the world by running after patents. As well I like the idea to donate 10% for charity.
Best wishes for you and resonance for all.
Prayer Continued
Gigi: “Now that your demonstration prototypes are certainties. The Hong Kong, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua University Professors/Researchers will verify them. Any knowledgeable research institutions can replicate them. Raising angel fund of HK$1 million should not be a problem. What would you do if you have HK$1 million tomorrow?â€
Angel: “Remember that you must not use it to benefit yourself.â€
Devil: “Spend and enjoy. You deserve it.â€
Tseung: “I shall actually discuss that with an angel investor tomorrow. The angel investor was the one who provided HK$50,000 to get the FLEET demo out to the World.â€
Gigi: “It looks like the angel investor is already very wealthy. Does he share the same goals as you?â€
Tseung: “I shall use the two following slides for discussion. With the blessing from the Almighty again, we may be able to share the same goals and move along the same path. The World will benefit.â€
Gigi: “I see that you immediately give HK$500K to any inventor who can produce a 1KW Steven Mark type TPU. You can do it yourself. Why should you waste the money?â€
Tseung: “I already promised my helpers that. I must not use the money to benefit myself. The excitement from my helpers and the other poor inventors was something to watch. Money can be a very motivating force in this case. I gave a deadline of 3 months. However, I expect the positive results in a very much shorter time frame. That 1KW unit can be put into production quickly to benefit the poor nations first.â€
Gigi: “Good Luck.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 17, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
Prayer Continued
Gigi: “I see that you immediately give HK$500K to any inventor who can produce a 1KW Steven Mark type TPU. You can do it yourself. Why should you waste the money?â€
Tseung: “I already promised my helpers that. I must not use the money to benefit myself. The excitement from my helpers and the other poor inventors was something to watch. Money can be a very motivating force in this case. I gave a deadline of 3 months. However, I expect the positive results in a very much shorter time frame. That 1KW unit can be put into production quickly to benefit the poor nations first.â€
Gigi: “Good Luck.â€
Florence: “Is the prize money of HK$500K open to all? What are the rules of the competition?â€
Tseung: “Yes. The prize money is open to all. I have not thought out the rules yet. I shall just laid out some of the thoughts here.â€
(1) The deadline for submission is October 30.
(2) Anyone can submit with video of a working prototype that can generate at least 1KW of overunity power continuously for 10 days.
(3) In case of equal functionality, the one with the earlier submission date wins.
(4) The person or team submitting the working prototype may update the prototype any time up to the deadline of October 30.
(5) The actual working prototypes will be displayed in Hong Kong (most probably Hong Kong University) for verification. They will be open to the Public for inspection.
(6) The technology involved in building the prototype will become public knowledge. Any manufacturer may follow the directions or improve them to produce products without paying royalties. However, a manufacturer may pay additional sums to the inventor as consultants or form any appropriate business arrangement.
We expect the participants will learn from the FLEET technology disclosed on this forum. Most of the work is painstaking tuning. The purpose of the competition is to get the best configuration out to benefit the World as soon as possible. One single team can demonstrate the principle. A few hundred teams can work miracles.
The analogy is the light bulb. One person can test a few or at most a few dozen materials in a given time frame. A few hundred teams in a competition environment can test thousands or millions. New techniques and new technology will come out.
Lead-out energy is a certainty. It is a matter of bringing it out to benefit the World as soon as possible. HK$500K may help to work such wonders.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 18, 2010, 03:41:38 PM
(2) Anyone can submit with video of a working prototype that can generate at least 1KW of overunity power continuously for 10 days.
Such stringent conditions are a pity.
You are drifting from finding technology to finding engineering excellence which is usually very expensive.
Quote from: Paul-R on July 18, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
Such stringent conditions are a pity.
You are drifting from finding technology to finding engineering excellence which is usually very expensive.
Enginneers need a challenge. The Steven Mark TPU videos already showed that generating 1KW is possible. That was over 10 years ago.
My team is confident (or even over confident) that they can achieve the above. Set up your own experiments. You are likely to hit on some peaks - sometimes not easily replicated. Sitting and reading will not win you the prize.
Excellent Points. We are happy that you are trying to help the world.
Thank you for sharing everything Lawrence including the super good photos.
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You go and watch those TPU video's again.
Steven Mark tells you in his very first video and lines of speech that THESE ARE NOT FREE ENERGY DEVICES.
And he is correct.
You are making a mistake by thinking TPU's put out clean unlimited free electricity.
They do no such thing.
They take energy from a electromagneticfield nearby, and this field is still generated by polluting turbines.
He even goes as far as telling you that we use the source everyday but still people like you are to blind to see.
If you know that then it's not hard to realize TPU's can NEVER save humanity nor can they put out 1KW of clean free power anywhere anytime, it's not going to work wake up your living in a dream.
You are trying to replicate something that does something totally different then what you are expecting.
I feel bad because you have a good theory, but now you attach it to a polluting turbine, you could say it is still leading out energy HAH.
You say you can replicate it but you can't, nobody can unless it is done the exact way including the external human generated electromagnetic field.
Now your offering money to whoever replicates it but no one is going to do that, or at least not a TPU.
When those demo video's were made, there was rushing by 2 Gigawatt of power only twenty five meter away from those TPU's.
Gives you something to think about...
Now do some more Prayers it makes me think you've lost your mind.
Hi folks, Hi ltseung888, thanks for the work your doing, I am building an air-core oscillator similar to yours and hope to get it tuned well. Hi XS-NRG, your 'cannot be done' philosophy will only work on those that don't research for themselves.
peace love light
Tyson
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 18, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
Hi folks, Hi ltseung888, thanks for the work your doing, I am building an air-core oscillator similar to yours and hope to get it tuned well. Hi XS-NRG, your 'cannot be done' philosophy will only work on those that don't research for themselves.
peace love light
Tyson
Great. I look forward to seeing someone who can beat my student team.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 18, 2010, 07:32:54 PM
Enginneers need a challenge. The Steven Mark TPU videos already showed that generating 1KW is possible. That was over 10 years ago.
My team is confident (or even over confident) that they can achieve the above. Set up your own experiments. You are likely to hit on some peaks - sometimes not easily replicated. Sitting and reading will not win you the prize.
The TPU cant put out 1kw for 10 days. Only about 20-40 mins.
Quote from: XS-NRG on July 18, 2010, 08:11:45 PM
You go and watch those TPU video's again.
Steven Mark tells you in his very first video and lines of speech that THESE ARE NOT FREE ENERGY DEVICES.
And he is correct.
You are making a mistake by thinking TPU's put out clean unlimited free electricity.
They do no such thing.
They take energy from a electromagneticfield nearby, and this field is still generated by polluting turbines.
He even goes as far as telling you that we use the source everyday but still people like you are to blind to see.
If you know that then it's not hard to realize TPU's can NEVER save humanity nor can they put out 1KW of clean free power anywhere anytime, it's not going to work wake up your living in a dream.
You are trying to replicate something that does something totally different then what you are expecting.
I feel bad because you have a good theory, but now you attach it to a polluting turbine, you could say it is still leading out energy HAH.
You say you can replicate it but you can't, nobody can unless it is done the exact way including the external human generated electromagnetic field.
Now your offering money to whoever replicates it but no one is going to do that, or at least not a TPU.
When those demo video's were made, there was rushing by 2 Gigawatt of power only twenty five meter away from those TPU's.
Gives you something to think about...
Now do some more Prayers it makes me think you've lost your mind.
Biggest load of crap i seen in a while! OU devices extract the ambient energy thru transformation. So "Steven Mark tells you in his very first video and lines of speech that THESE ARE NOT FREE ENERGY DEVICES."
He not telling lies only you are misguided. Electrical OU devices are energy conversion or energy extractors from the earths natural renewable, unlimited source. TPU was demonstrated in dozens of places including several states and down in Oz and even up in an aircraft.
Did you forget we are an iron ball flying thru space and the earth is charged with terrawatts of electric. Where does lightning come from then? I guess that is also a polluting turbine. Funny as we only had electric generators for 200 odd years yet we had lightning for millions of years.
There is over 100 patents any one of which could easy change the world if they were taken seriously and put to use. There has been motors galore many shown publicly producing many HP and self running and many solid state devices too.
The TPU is not a OU Device.
Surely there are others that are but not the TPU!
Steven never said the TPU was a OU device.
In fact HE SAID IT WAS NOT!
So if there is anybody being misguided, it is you.
And you call the truth the biggest load of crap....go figure.
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 18, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
Hi XS-NRG, your 'cannot be done' philosophy will only work on those that don't research for themselves.
Tyson
This only apllies to the TPU, not to the other great inventors i mentioned in a previous post.
And it's not a philosophy.
It also works on people who do research for themselves and think the tpu is a OU device because they can spend as much money as they want, just to find out it isn't going to work.
@ All:
Doesn't it make you wonder why somebody would go out of their way to tell us all that the TPU won't work? Who do you think they are helping? They THINK that they know more?
Even if it only worked for 5 minutes-- it worked!
My answer is: Don't worry about us. Time will tell.
NickZ
Good Points NickZ
Yeah, it makes a lot of us wonder why certain guys spend a LOT OF TIME & effort telling us it won't work & for us to NOT EVEN TRY!!!
Hmmmmmm. I wonder who pays them to do that. LOL
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Quote from: FatBird on July 19, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
Good Points NickZ
Yeah, it makes a lot of us wonder why certain guys spend a LOT OF TIME & effort telling us it won't work & for us to NOT EVEN TRY!!!
Hmmmmmm. I wonder who pays them to do that. LOL
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The toroidal power unit converting the gravity into electrical energy trough the electroomagnetic field
Quote from: FatBird on July 19, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
Good Points NickZ
Yeah, it makes a lot of us wonder why certain guys spend a LOT OF TIME & effort telling us it won't work & for us to NOT EVEN TRY!!!
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Many, MANY have tried, all have failed and i have already told you why.
If you want to chase a ghost for the rest of your life, then so be it.
If it worked the way most people are hoping, Steven Mark would have been dead.
He isn't and that's because he has nothing of intrest.
Your better off researching the dead inventors....trust me.
Most of them died for a reason.
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If it worked the way most people are hoping, Steven Mark would have been dead.
He isn't
and your proof that he's still alive is..... what ?
Your right he could be dead by now.
Improvement and Demonstration on July 19, 2010
We tried the three layer toroid. The first attempt was to put the Joule Thief at the lowest layer and two transformer type windings as two top layers. There were some improvements but the top most layer showed significant decrease in induced voltage.
We then put the Joule Thief as the middle layer. To our greatest delight, the Output shot up. The continuous Output Power was 56 watts. The steady AC Output Voltage was 14 Volts even though we varied the load â€" resistors and LEDs. The Input Power from the 1.1V AA battery was less than 0.4 watts. That gave us a COP of greater than 160.
It looked like we could get closer to resonance and extract much more lead-out energy with the new arrangement. In a few days, our Output Power increased from a few watts to over 50 watts. Our team is extremely optimistic in producing a 1KW lead-out energy device in the very near future. The following are a list of possible areas of further research.
1. Size of the Toroid â€" Bigger appears to be better.
2. Number of turns of wire in the Toroid â€" More appears to be better.
3. Core material of the Toroid â€" No concrete data to show direction yet.
4. The use of capacitors in the Joule Thief â€" appears to help
5. The transistors in the Joule Thief â€" the larger ones appear to help
6. The LCR circuit in the Primary of the Joule Thief â€" tuning helps
7. The LCR circuit in the Secondary of the Joule Thief â€" tuning helps
8. The LCR circuit in the Secondary of the Transformer â€" major factor
9. The number of turns of wire in the Secondary of the Transformer â€" important to connect the right way â€" mixing clockwise and anti-clockwise will lower output.
10. The use of thin copper wire appears to be much better than the lamp wire.
11. Use of Signal Generator instead of battery â€" can vary frequency.
12. The lower the frequency, the higher the lead-out energy (results so far).
13. Higher L and Higher C values appear to lead-out more energy.
14. The Pulsing can either be AC or Pulsed DC.
15. The present Joule Thief and Transformer arrangement appeared to have build-in feedback mechanism.
16. The Output is capable of recharging batteries now. We can already demonstrate Battery A recharging Battery B and vice versa. A few (6 LED lights) could be on all the time.
The chance of our team producing a 1KW lead-out device for the poor countries within three months is excellent. We want to share everything so that products can come out quickly to benefit the World.
That is SUPER Lawrence. Thank you for sharing your data to help the world.
Is your TPU (Toroid) Air Core or steel core?
Thank you sir.
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Yes congratulations ltseung! It sounds like you are right on track and making great progress.
Quote from: XS-NRG on July 19, 2010, 06:42:08 AM
The TPU is not a OU Device.
Surely there are others that are but not the TPU!
Steven never said the TPU was a OU device.
In fact HE SAID IT WAS NOT!
So if there is anybody being misguided, it is you.
And you call the truth the biggest load of crap....go figure.
This only apllies to the TPU, not to the other great inventors i mentioned in a previous post.
And it's not a philosophy.
It also works on people who do research for themselves and think the tpu is a OU device because they can spend as much money as they want, just to find out it isn't going to work.
Go away kid. You bother me.
Quote from: FatBird on July 19, 2010, 08:26:56 PM
That is SUPER Lawrence. Thank you for sharing your data to help the world.
Is your TPU (Toroid) Air Core or steel core?
Thank you sir.
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Air
Plans on July 20, 2010
1. Build the battery recharging circuit. From the Output Power figures, recharging an AA battery should be no problem.
2. The challenge is to have the auto feedback and recharging circuit. We may have Battey A supplying power to a couple of LEDs and recharging Battery B. At appropriate time, Battery A and Battery B will be swapped. Theoretically, the LEDs will light forever. No additional batteries are required.
3. We may even be able to take out the batteries after starting. That will happen after we have successfully identified and controlled the resonance environment.
4. If time permits, we shall try to increase Input Power with different transistors. (2N2222 upgrade).
5. More tests will be performed on the three layer toroid.
Tseung,
Two things,
1. It may take quite a bit of extra energy to charge a battery.
A super duper ultra fancy smancy capacitor would probably be more efficient at recovering extra energy to be cycled back.
2. Although I believe resonance alone will cause an overunity effect,
I am astounded that a simple piece of iron will magnify the coil's field 5,000 timies !
Aren't you?
It is the crashing magnetic field of the Ferro in a Joule Thief that causes the spike.
That is, the dipoles are moved by a Quantum Energy called Anisotropic Energy back to random domains.
THIS IS WHERE THE ENERGY FOR THE SPIKE COMES FROM !
I'm pretty sure we want to get the unpaired electrons present in Ferromagnetic Substances
with Low Magnetic Coercivity involved in this party !
The below diagram should demonstrate my concern. ;o)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: steeltpu on July 19, 2010, 09:30:53 PM
Go away kid. You bother me.
I'm not going anywhere, and i don't care who bothers youQuote from: ltseung888 on July 19, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
The chance of our team producing a 1KW lead-out device for the poor countries within three months is excellent.
Let's see about that.
That would be 20 Oct 2010.
Good luck.
Lawrence, Can you please clarify something. Is your TPU Transformer INPUT connected to:
Joule Thief Pins A and B
OR
Joule Thief Pins C and D
Thank you very much.
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Quote from: XS-NRG on July 19, 2010, 06:42:08 AM
The TPU is not a OU Device.
A toroidal power unit is a power unit based on an annular ring
usually made of some magnetic material.
What you do with it is what counts.
Quote from: FatBird on July 20, 2010, 05:04:42 PM
Lawrence, Can you please clarify something. Is your TPU Transformer INPUT connected to:
Joule Thief Pins A and B
OR
Joule Thief Pins C and D
Thank you very much.
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Dear Fatbird,
We added another layer of winding to the Toroid. That winding can be thought of as pure secondary winding to a transformer. The original pulsing Joule Thief Circuit acts as the primary of our NEW transformer. The load (Load B) can be placed between points E and F.
This gives us new flexibility in the tuning. We can lead-out and control more electromagnetic energy this way. A simple addition to the standard Joule Thief circuit but the outcome is very different.
As one professor put it: "Do not try to understand it first. Try it first and hope to understand it later. Lead-out energy is NOT taught in the standard university courses yet."
Hi folks, here is my air-core toroid so far, I still need to wrap the secondary wire. I could not get it to oscillate at first using a large NTE392 npn transistor, same with the other air-core solenoid i built before this, however a smaller 2n2222 npn transistor works fine and lights an led to full brightness across emitter and collector at about 60 milliamps at 1.3 volts input. Here is a pic of it so far.
peace love light
Tyson
Hi folks, and here it is with secondary. Now I can start trying to tune it to resonate with limited means. Here is a couple links I think are applicable to these devices.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY&feature=channel_page)
http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/pg__2_2.html (http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/pg__2_2.html)
and a pic of my toroid with secondary.
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 22, 2010, 02:06:51 AM
Hi folks, and here it is with secondary. Now I can start trying to tune it to resonate with limited means. Here is a couple links I think are applicable to these devices.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY&feature=channel_page)
http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/pg__2_2.html (http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/pg__2_2.html)
and a pic of my toroid with secondary.
Thank you very much, SkyWatch123. The videos will help to cut down much of the required explanations. In the first video link, the Signal Generator was used to provide pulses to a Primary and a Secondary LCR circuits.
The video clearly showed that at certain frequencies, the LED at the primary will go dim or even out while the LED at the secondary will light up. The question is:
If the current supplied to the primary goes down, does that mean the INPUT power goes down?When power is supplied via the Signal Generator, the answer may not be obvious. But if the power was supplied by an AA battery and the OUTPUT power seen on the oscilloscope is many times that of the INPUT, the answer is obvious.
If the Instructor of the video did the Input and Output Power measurements and comparisons, he would have illustrated overunity. (Many months before our team.) He did not realize that at or near resonance, Electron Motion Energy could be lead-out.
At resonance, most of the energy going to the Secondary does not come from the Primary but flows in from the surrounding electron motions.
Hi ltseung888, Whatever I can do to help. I am having difficulty in tuning my air-core toroid and this is due to not having devices to help see what is happening and the circuit is not very adjustable. Therefore I went back to using a 555 timer that is much more adjustable and with this I am able to tune much easier. Though for now I used my other solenoid coil with ferrite core, then I will try tuning the air-core toroid. Here are a few videos from gotoluc and I realize it seems he's been convinced he has nothing special in these videos, though I think he has a very efficient resonant tuned system running thanks to the adjustable 555 timer.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gotoluc#p/u/66/xvE7IGCra14 (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gotoluc#p/u/66/xvE7IGCra14)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gotoluc#p/u/67/9UH_v5EO7-A (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gotoluc#p/u/67/9UH_v5EO7-A)
In video #7, if you calculate the heat outputs, minus the heat inputs relative to the control heat reading, it comes out to around COP 5. He was encouraged to use a measuring method that neutralized the gain of the resonance, instead of the self evident two bulb test in video #8 where he has an identical bulb on input negative line and one on recirculating output line. Hope this helps anyone.
peace love light
Tyson
Forever shining LED?
In the following setup, Battery A can recharge Battery B and light up LEDs at the same time.
After awhile, Battery B can be swapped to recharge Battery A.
The preliminary test with two slightly run-down rechargeable AA batteries got voltage on both Batteries up!
Oscilloscope reading seem to confirm that the overunity lead-out energy did the trick.
Plan to run the setup for months to confirm.
Recharging other AA Batteries with resonant lead-out energy
This setup is beyond doubt. The much higher Output Energy was used to recharge AA Batteries.
Other LEDs can be ON or other useful work can be done.
This serup will be sent to a number of top universities for verification.
After verification, a copy will be sent to Stefan to claim the overunity prize on behalf of Gadgetmail.
@tseung888
Before you do as you say, Test the circuit without the oscilloscopes connected to the circuit.
Maybe you find that the oscilloscopes energy has trick you to believe it is OU.
Jesus
Lawrence:
Check out Thedaftman's videos on Youtube. He has several videos of an electronic switching circuit he designed and built for automatic battery swapping on a Bedini. I don't see why this would not work in your case.
Tell Forever I said hello.
Bill
Quote from: nievesoliveras on July 25, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
@tseung888
Before you do as you say, Test the circuit without the oscilloscopes connected to the circuit.
Maybe you find that the oscilloscopes energy has trick you to believe it is OU.
Jesus
When I have Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua Universities all checking my device, I do not worry about possible oscilloscope tricks.
When my LED lights for a couple of months without new batteries, I would not worry about oscilloscope tricks.
When the 1KW lead-out energy device lights up the hillsides of poor nations, nobody will worry about oscilloscope tricks.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 25, 2010, 03:24:28 PM
Lawrence:
Check out Thedaftman's videos on Youtube. He has several videos of an electronic switching circuit he designed and built for automatic battery swapping on a Bedini. I don't see why this would not work in your case.
Tell Forever I said hello.
Bill
Thank you for the information.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 25, 2010, 03:50:19 PM
When I have Hong Kong University, MIT, Stanford, Imperial College, Tsinghua Universities all checking my device, I do not worry about possible oscilloscope tricks.
When my LED lights for a couple of months without new batteries, I would not worry about oscilloscope tricks.
When the 1KW lead-out energy device lights up the hillsides of poor nations, nobody will worry about oscilloscope tricks.
@tseung888
You are right sir.
Jesus
Your idea is to me the way I see it done, to look at it another way - you could add power to your design maybe by using series mags in tubes, coils only over areas to DMF (disrupt magnetic field) this attached crappy drawing may help.##IN drawing end should read MAGNETS in sketch touch. Using a rail gun type firing order may prove interesting .....careful.
Quote from: Hope on July 25, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
Your idea is to me the way I see it done, to look at it another way - you could add power to your design maybe by using series mags in tubes, coils only over areas to DMF (disrupt magnetic field) this attached crappy drawing may help.##IN drawing end should read MAGNETS in sketch touch. Using a rail gun type firing order may prove interesting .....careful.
Yours may be one of the Pulsing techniques to lead-out electron motion energy. We shall focus on our planned research path first. The Tseung technique of 3 layer toroid with the Joule Thief acting as the Primary appears to be producing very good results.
We already achieved "forever ON LEDs". The measured Output Power is over 50 watts with one AA battery supplying less than 0.5 watts. The immediate goal is get the 1KW lead-out energy device ready for market. Many teams are working on that.
Lawrence,
If you can do it, can you post some of your 1 KW TPU ideas here so some of us can try them out?
Thank you.
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Quote from: FatBird on July 26, 2010, 01:42:49 PM
Lawrence,
If you can do it, can you post some of your 1 KW TPU ideas here so some of us can try them out?
Thank you.
.
The following conversation with Dr. Ting and my student team may help.
Dr. Ting: “Now I understand it better. Your FLEET contribution is the addition of one or more layers of windings to the Joule Thief Circuit. The Joule Thief Circuit produces the pulsing magnetic flux that acts as the Primary Coil function of your Transformer. Your additional layers of winding act as the Secondary of a Transformer picking up the magnetic flux.â€
Forever: “The FLEET transformer does not behave like a normal transformer. The increase in voltage in the Secondary does not depend on (or correspond to) the number of turns in the winding. When the voltage increases by X time, the current does not decrease by X. This implies some energy comes in from the surrounding.â€
Tseung: “Correct.â€
Miller: “The normal Joule Thief Charger puts the recharging battery at the LED side of the Joule Thief Circuit. That has shown to work. However, the charging current is small and no concluding overunity effect could be shown and claimed.â€
Chung: “The Tseung technique is to put the recharging battery at the Secondary of the New Layers. Even without deliberately putting an LCR circuit, the charging current is significant enough to demonstrate overunity and possibility of swapping Battery A and Battery B for self sustained operation.â€
Tseung: “Correct. An AA battery that dropped to 0.92V was recharged by the small ferrite core toroid with one layer in 20 minutes to 0.99V as shown in the July 25 experiment. That simple setup will be repeated and continued for weeks to show the self sustained effect.â€
Forever: “The most convincing is the large amount of current in the recharging operation when the LCR circuit was put it. The COP was greater than 10 at resonance. The air coil experiment on July 25 clearly demonstrated that. This means that the battery swap operation can go on with some additional load using the extra lead-out energy.â€
Dr. Ting: “That is contradictory to my training of Conservation of Energy. However, I wound those toroids and saw the graphs on the oscilloscopes. Should I believe experimental evidence? Or should I stick to the dogma training?â€
Miller: “I do not have any dogma on Conservation of Energy. Lead-out Energy is perfectly acceptable to me. I do not think that it violates the Law of Conservation of Energy.â€
Chung: “What is the next step? How should we build the 1 KW lead-out energy device?â€
Tseung: “I plan to do it in the following steps:
1. Produce the Battery Swap self sustaining units for verification by the Universities. This is almost complete except that we need to build more units for the many universities.
2. Test the feedback mechanism. Put in additional capacitors or electronics. The Output Power at resonance is so high that it could easily supply the required Input Power. I have a gut feel that we may even be able to remove the starting battery once the proper resonance condition has been achieved. Steven Mark showed that in his video.
3. Increase the Power though the circuit. Have thicker wires and higher rating transistors, diodes, etc. The 3V LEDs will blew out at 4.5V DC. The 2N2222 cannot take much current.
4. There is no need to have the full functionality of the Signal Generator. We can replace it with a simpler 555 oscillator circuit. This can wait until we know more about the various resonance conditions and constraints.
5. There will be some protective measures. The first one is the use of a 2A fuse. The second one is to wear eye goggles at all times. Limit the peak-to-peak current to 250V.â€
Dr. Ting: “How long do you think it would take to achieve the 1KW lead-out device with the existing team?â€
Forever: “When Tseung openly announced at the meeting that we could come up with an overunity demonstration with two oscilloscopes within two weeks if we get funding of HK$50K, I was secretly sweating. We did not have space. We did not have the oscilloscopes. We have not tested the Tseung winding technique. But everything went well.â€
Tseung: “Actually, we were over budget. I paid the difference with my own money.â€
Miller: “I am optimistic with a time frame of 3 months and HK$1m. The HK$500K award will get many Hong Kong University Students like us excited. If it is a matter of tuning â€" getting the right LCR values to match the toroids, we can achieve it. It means less time for computer games and MSN."
Forever: “and less dating!†;)
Thank you for sharing all of that Lawrence.
We really like your style of writing down what everybody says about it, so everything is clear.
Thanks again for all you do sir.
.
There is also on this time another breaktrhrough like yours.
An hibrid magnetic motor.
http://gap-power.com/parts%20list.html
Jesus
Since it's an air core it wouldn't seem hard to scale it up using igbt's.
Planning to meet the Angel Investor this eveningQuote
“Life is a series of problems: Either you are in one now, you're just coming out of one, or you're getting ready to go into another one.
The reason for this is that God is more interested in your character than your comfort; God is more interested in making your life holy than He is in making your life happy.
My points to present this evening are as follows:
1. I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working his miracles through me. I solemnly promised him privately and openly that I shall not try to use the invention to benefit myself.
2. I ask for a seed investment of HK$1m. This should last 6 months. We are likely to produce a lead-out energy device that can generate 1 KW and even a 5 or 10 KW unit is possible.
3. The next step is to raise HK$100m by selling 200 shares of Company XYZ (own 1,000 shares) to investors at HK$500K each. Each Investor will have a 1KW device and first right to sell the very profitable 5 or 10 KW units. In other words, they will be able to participate in a lottery system to become dealers in the various locations.
4. A book will come out from Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited with a DIY kit that can produce a “forever ON LEDâ€.
5. The 1 KW device will be Open. We shall help poor nations or groups to manufacture such units. That unit is not aimed for profit. That unit is to benefit the World â€" especially the poor and disadvantaged.
6. Company XYZ is likely to be one of the many Companies working on Lead-out Energy. However, it is likely to be the first and the best. World IPO will take place as soon as possible.
7. The remaining 800 shares of Company XYZ will go to contributors and charitable organizations over time. The Angel Investor is requested to becoming a Director of Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation who will oversee the 800 shares before they are distributed.
8. The initial investors we seek should have the “benefit the World†in front of the “benefit me†attitude. If they do not pass that test, they will NOT be invited to invest in Company XYZ as first round investors no matter how wealthy or influential they may be.
The material cost for the FLEET device that can generate 1- 10 KW is likely to be less than HK$300. I expect the average Hong Kong Household will be glad to pay HK$3,000 for a unit with guarantee for 2 years (expected to last for over 10 years). They do not need to pay the average electricity bill of HK$500 per month (which amounts to HK$12,000 in 2 years).
I expect the 1 KW unit will sell at close to HK$300 with intense Worldwide competition and manufacturing facilities in poor nations. Model Farms, Model Villages etc based on infinite energy will emerge. This may be the will of the Almighty â€" working His miracles through me and finding an Angel Investor who is not profit-propelled.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 26, 2010, 10:01:13 PM
Planning to meet the Angel Investor this evening
My points to present this evening are as follows:
1. I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working his miracles through me. I solemnly promised him privately and openly that I shall not try to use the invention to benefit myself.
2. I ask for a seed investment of HK$1m. This should last 6 months. We are likely to produce a lead-out energy device that can generate 1 KW and even a 5 or 10 KW unit is possible.
3. The next step is to raise HK$100m by selling 200 shares of Company XYZ (own 1,000 shares) to investors at HK$500K each. Each Investor will have a 1KW device and first right to sell the very profitable 5 or 10 KW units. In other words, they will be able to participate in a lottery system to become dealers in the various locations.
4. A book will come out from Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited with a DIY kit that can produce a “forever ON LEDâ€.
5. The 1 KW device will be Open. We shall help poor nations or groups to manufacture such units. That unit is not aimed for profit. That unit is to benefit the World â€" especially the poor and disadvantaged.
6. Company XYZ is likely to be one of the many Companies working on Lead-out Energy. However, it is likely to be the first and the best. World IPO will take place as soon as possible.
7. The remaining 800 shares of Company XYZ will go to contributors and charitable organizations over time. The Angel Investor is requested to becoming a Director of Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation who will oversee the 800 shares before they are distributed.
8. The initial investors we seek should have the “benefit the World†in front of the “benefit me†attitude. If they do not pass that test, they will NOT be invited to invest in Company XYZ as first round investors no matter how wealthy or influential they may be.
The material cost for the FLEET device that can generate 1- 10 KW is likely to be less than HK$300. I expect the average Hong Kong Household will be glad to pay HK$3,000 for a unit with guarantee for 2 years (expected to last for over 10 years). They do not need to pay the average electricity bill of HK$500 per month (which amounts to HK$12,000 in 2 years).
I expect the 1 KW unit will sell at close to HK$300 with intense Worldwide competition and manufacturing facilities in poor nations. Model Farms, Model Villages etc based on infinite energy will emerge. This may be the will of the Almighty â€" working His miracles through me and finding an Angel Investor who is not profit-propelled.
Mr Tseung:
This kind of circular talk about yourself and your O.U inventions and your need to raise $x is getting really long in the tooth. Don't you think so?
We haven't heard a lot from Devil and the other personalities lately.
Are they still stuck between your ears?
cheers
chrisC
ChrisC - good point. Maybe thats why this thread has little public interest..
It would be nice to see a demostration/setup of 1.5 AA powered device producing 50W claimed/measured power powering at least 20W resistive bulb.. I wish there was at least a single replication attempt...
M
Walter mitty?
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 26, 2010, 05:41:36 AM
Yours may be one of the Pulsing techniques to lead-out electron motion energy. We shall focus on our planned research path first. The Tseung technique of 3 layer toroid with the Joule Thief acting as the Primary appears to be producing very good results.
We already achieved "forever ON LEDs". The measured Output Power is over 50 watts with one AA battery supplying less than 0.5 watts. The immediate goal is get the 1KW lead-out energy device ready for market. Many teams are working on that.
ITseung do you have schematic of this 3 layer that you're mentioning?
Thanks
Prayer Continued
Dr. Ting and Students worked on the prototype to be delivered to the Universities. They managed to tune a toroid that could generate 240 V peak-to-peak. That toroid was used to recharge AA batteries and the initial results were positive. As expected with pulse-charged batteries, there were characteristics different from normal charged batteries. The voltage drop on subsequent usage appeared to be faster. Much more work is required but the research appeared worthwhile.
Instead of the discussed HK$1 million from the Angel Investor, the Angel Investor and his Lawyer started talking about the HK$100 million for Production. They would like to see the 5-10 KW units produced as quickly as possible. With that amount of investment, they would like to have 51% of the Company.
Tseung: “Dear Lord, please give me guidance. Dr. Ting, the students and me can handle the HK$1 million seed investment. There is still much basic research to be done. Managing HK$100 million now is beyond the capability of our team. However, it seems illogical to reject a cash injection of HK$100 million.â€
Forever: “With HK$100 million, you can invite many of your university friends and manufacturing engineers. They have seen the demonstrations and heard the Lead-out energy theory for years. They were not making any moves because there were no financial incentive.â€
Dr. Ting: “With guaranteed income, I can cut down or even stop my other consulting jobs and focus totally on FLEET. Producing a 5-10 KW unit should be within reach. We can also pay other consultants for specific tasks we are not good at. Go for it.â€
Chung: “I am just a student. I can understand the value of a few thousand dollars. HK$100 million is beyond my comprehension.â€
Tseung: “I shall get help to do a draft business plan on what we would do with HK$100 million now. Meanwhile we should consolidate our accomplishments. Please complete and test thoroughly at least 3 prototypes. One will remain here. One will go to Stanford. One will go to Hong Kong University.â€
Miller: “You were talking about more universities such as Imperial College. What is happening to them?â€
Tseung: “I am talking about priorities. The Researcher from Stanford will be back to USA on August 5. We shall have a presentation at Hong Kong University next week. The others can wait. I expect even better prototypes will be available in the coming days.â€
Dr. Ting: “That is true. I am getting a feel on resonance tuning. Initially, I just blindly picked the LCRs. Now, I guess on what to pick and I am encouraged by my guesses. I do not want to waste my time dreaming about HK$100 million. Let someone else do the business plan.â€
Tseung: “The Almighty has answered my prayer again. If we have no money, we can still do some research as we had been doing in the last ten years. If we have limited money, we can use that to build specific prototypes. If we have more money, we can invite others to benefit the World together. Thank you for giving us direction and peace of mind again.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 29, 2010, 06:18:32 PM
Prayer Continued
..... Much more work is required but the research appeared worthwhile.
[....
Much less talk IS REQUIRED before you can show better results than lighting 6 LED's! It looks like a hobby club for grade school students.
cheers
chrisC
Thank you for the SUPER NICE Pictures & Post Lawrence. That is really NICE of you to share everything & what's going on over there.
By the way, Click on the LINK below to show Dr Ting some of SM's TPUs. Maybe that will help?
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373#
Thanks again & our hearts are with you for GREAT SUCCESS sir.
.
Quote from: FatBird on July 29, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
Thank you for the SUPER NICE Pictures & Post Lawrence. That is really NICE of you to share everything & what's going on over there.
By the way, Click on the LINK below to show Dr Ting some of SM's TPUs. Maybe that will help?
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373#
Thanks again & our hearts are with you for GREAT SUCCESS sir.
.
Thank you, Fatbird. We are getting closer to the Steven Mark TPU like device. It appeared that our FLEET overcharged the rechargeable AA batteries. With the meters and oscilloscope monitoring, we can see the expected increase in voltage of the recharging battery from 0.928V to 1.223V. Then the voltage dropped from 1.223 to 1.21 and then rapidly to 0.9, 0.8 and down to 0.4V while it was supposed to be being recharged.
We believe that it may be a problem of overcharging. The pulsed peak-to-peak voltage was over 240V and we did not put any protection circuits in recharging the battery.
It is both good and bad. The bad is that we might have ruined a rechargeable AA battery. The good is that the FLEET appeared to produce much more Output Power than needed to recharge an AA batterry.
Some obvious follow-up actions are:
1. Put in protection circuits to do proper recharging.
2. Put in feedback circuits to recharge the charging (only) battery. I like this. If it works, the only battery may act like the battery in a car â€" provide electrical power and be recharged by the dynamo. Our single rechargeable battery may run for years (Forever?) :D
Any good suggestions???
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 30, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
...
Any good suggestions???
Yes, see a doctor and take your medication and don't write anymore until you have proof. All this stuff is between your virtual ears.
cheers
chrisC
Tseung,
Are you putting a Diode in the Secondary Circuit to clamp the charging battery?
I have experimented with charging batteries and found that if you use pulses,
you must use a diode to keep the electrons in the battery during the down time of the pulse.
Secondary -------------- I>l --------- +Battery- ------------------- other end of Secondary
Best Regards,
The Observer
chrisC.. brilliant ;D
Quote from: The Observer on July 30, 2010, 11:04:36 PM
Tseung,
Are you putting a Diode in the Secondary Circuit to clamp the charging battery?
I have experimented with charging batteries and found that if you use pulses,
you must use a diode to keep the electrons in the battery during the down time of the pulse.
Secondary -------------- I>l --------- +Battery- ------------------- other end of Secondary
Best Regards,
The Observer
Yes. I used diodes. We are going through the process of "training" the batteries. As reported on the Internet, non-rechargeable AA batteries can be recharged via pulsing. It would take multiple recharging cycles to get the batteries to settle down to repeatable behavior.
I am playing with that in my bedroom. In some situations, I can get net increase in voltage in both batteries with resonance tuning. However, I still do not know how to maintain the system in overunity stage. In the recharging process, the system goes back into underunity state.
@tseung
The resonance changes with the battery voltage fluctuations.
When the voltage of the battery increase, the resonance is lost.
you can recover it by adjusting the potentiometer connected to the base of the transistor.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on July 31, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
@tseung
The resonance changes with the battery voltage fluctuations.
When the voltage of the battery increase...
This is a case of parametric resonance, isn't it?
How do we feed the battery voltage into the system?
Quote from: Paul-R on August 01, 2010, 10:19:12 AM
This is a case of parametric resonance, isn't it?
How do we feed the battery voltage into the system?
I made a self charger a long time ago and it charged the batteries self running at the same time, But when the battery raised the voltage the resonance was changed and the circuit began to misbehave.
@resonanceman found that by adding a potentiometer he could tweak the circuit to work at resonance again...
The circuit is this one:
Quote from: nievesoliveras on August 01, 2010, 11:06:27 AM
I made a self charger a long time ago and it charged the batteries self running at the same time, But when the battery raised the voltage the resonance was changed and the circuit began to misbehave.
@resonanceman found that by adding a potentiometer he could tweak the circuit to work at resonance again...
The circuit is this one:
Thank you. I believe we are observing the same behavior. I also tweaked the potentiometer to get back to resonance. But the manual technique required someone to monitor the two oscilloscopes all the time.
However, it is a good start. We now know that we can indeed recharge another battery. If the recharging is done at “resonanceâ€, more energy can be lead-out or draw-in into the batteries.
I shall have a meeting with the Stanford Researcher later today. There will be a technical presentation at Hong Kong University on Aug 7. One or more FLEET devices will be given to the Universities for verification. Once we can motivate the hundreds of students to do “resonance huntingâ€, the chance of producing working FLEET devices for the masses will be higher. The World will benefit.
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 01, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
Thank you. I believe we are observing the same behavior ......
Funny you mentioned that. Well, we've also been observing the same behavior too.
Do you still recall your past thread (now turned into the defunct comedy channel)? You started with the principle of the 'boat in calm water' crap. Still recall?
Then you went on to try impress your physics on our basic mechanics that backfired. Not one serious person can follow your blatantly wrong physics argument; the truth was your understanding of Physics was only at 'O' level. Then you started to ask for $ investments and claimed all these patents which the WPO threw out. The patent examiner basically sent your application to the garbage bin. Still following? Then you started inventing profiles like Top Gun, Devil and God knows who else to support your arguments. Finally you tossed out that thread since only a couple of fools thought you had something. Oh, of course there was the episode of the UFO's landing on mr. Obama's white house lawn. I think we have enough material to make a movie from those 420 something pages!
Then you read about some O.U stories and learnt of a SM and the TPU. You stared to try understand 'O' level electricity and magnetism and quickly pronounced your expertise of 'resonance' and here we are today talking about the famed colleges like Stanford, Imperial College etc. interested in your findings and how impressed the 'investors' are - even talked about $100M investments from serious money people.
Well, Mr. tseung, are you sure you're not referring to the yellow, blue and green, red (or orange) money that are traded in the millions when you buy those red, green and orange houses on the game board. I can give you those too from my garage. My kids are grown and we don't play that game anymore.
Well, I wish you well but I think we are indeed seeing the same behavior - resonating between your ears. Is there any truth to this assumption?
cheers
chrisC
You should step up from the miliwatt range to the watt range if you want to do constructive things. If you want stable voltage then a voltage regulator would do the job, but currently it would be too much overhead in the low wattage system.
And just to be fair,
Nearly all... if not all of Chris C's 1128 Posts
at OU.com have involved a psychotic stalkerish concern
for Mr Tsueng and his work.
It took 4-5 months for him to realize that Mr. Tseung was posting daily elsewhere.
He was begging him to come back to the Lead Out Theory thread cause he didn't compute that Mr. Tsueng had started a new thread..
The fact that ChrisC cannot decipher the Home Page of OU.com leads one to wonder if he experimented a bit to much with the LSD !
ChrisC... Resonating Transformers are interesting and deserved to be studied by the average joe, juan or joto.
Why don't you see a Psychiatrist about your obsession with Tsueng 'and keep your lines to yourself.'
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on August 01, 2010, 07:44:23 PM
And just to be fair,
Nearly all... if not all of Chris C's 1128 Posts
at OU.com have involved a psychotic stalkerish concern
for Mr Tsueng and his work.
It took 4-5 months for him to realize that Mr. Tseung was posting daily elsewhere.
He was begging him to come back to the Lead Out Theory thread cause he didn't compute that Mr. Tsueng had started a new thread..
The fact that ChrisC cannot decipher the Home Page of OU.com leads one to wonder if he experimented a bit to much with the LSD !
ChrisC... Resonating Transformers are interesting and deserved to be studied by the average joe, juan or joto.
Why don't you see a Psychiatrist about your obsession with Tsueng 'and keep your lines to yourself.'
Best Regards,
The Observer
oh well Mr. Observer, you must be really interested in O.U and I presume your contributions to humanity is about at the same level as Mr. tseung. But at least old tseung is a real enough to have a real name. Do you even have a first name?
If you wait long enough, mr. tseung might give you some of the investment money to thank you for your side line support but you really have to to tell him (or us) who you really are, after all a check has to have a name on it to be deposited and 'the Observer' just wouldn't cut it. Would it?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 01, 2010, 07:57:26 PM
oh well Mr. Observer, you must be really interested in O.U and I presume your contributions to humanity is about at the same level as Mr. tseung. But at least old tseung is a real enough to have a real name. Do you even have a first name?
If you wait long enough, mr. tseung might give you some of the investment money to thank you for your side line support but you really have to to tell him (or us) who you really are, after all a check has to have a name on it to be deposited and 'the Observer' just wouldn't cut it. Would it?
cheers
chrisC
Would you sleep better knowing online people's names? Or do you need their names for some voodoo ritual? Just don't get the obsession of some people wanting to know names online.
Quote from: broli on August 01, 2010, 08:02:12 PM
Would you sleep better knowing online people's names?...
Oh. most definitely. Just like miliwatts wouldn't cut it, I 'resonate' much better in mys sleep when I know who my dreams relate to.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 01, 2010, 08:06:58 PM
Oh. most definitely. Just like miliwatts wouldn't cut it, I 'resonate' much better in mys sleep when I know who my dreams relate to.
cheers
chrisC
If such things truly eases your sleep then you should get that same medication you are recommending tseung ;) .
Quote from: broli on August 01, 2010, 08:33:04 PM
If such things truly eases your sleep then you should get that same medication you are recommending tseung ;) .
Thank you for your concern Broli. The only time I need medication is when I wake up with cold sweat when the scientific community awards him the Nobel prize for real OU discovery!
But then, pigs would have flown by then and Observer would have been buried with a real name and Broli would be famous for something unconnected with O.U! In other words, there is no chance for a snake oil salesman to discover OU and no need for my medication. Really...
cheers
chrisC
@Chris
Hi buddy,
havnt had a chat for a hile. i havnt got to the USA yet this year , I did go to NZ though. keep up the posts I enjoy them
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on August 01, 2010, 09:56:08 PM
@Chris
Hi buddy,
havnt had a chat for a hile. i havnt got to the USA yet this year , I did go to NZ though. keep up the posts I enjoy them
Mark
@Mark
Thanks. Good to see you checking out this thread from time to time.
Well, we all want Tseung and for that matter everyone who is actively trying but we also don't want to see clowns and snake oil people wasting bandwidth and making some poor unsuspecting souls get so worked up because they think the O.U from these clowns are real!
When you know you're going to come by, let's go eat some good food!
cheers
chrisC
@ Lawrence:
Consider using supercaps instead of batteries. I believe that the output of caps, in general, is linear and will not degrade like a battery and therefore will not take you out of resonance.
This has been my experience anyway.
Bill
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 01, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
Thank you. I believe we are observing the same behavior. I also tweaked the potentiometer to get back to resonance. But the manual technique required someone to monitor the two oscilloscopes all the time.
However, it is a good start. We now know that we can indeed recharge another battery. If the recharging is done at “resonanceâ€, more energy can be lead-out or draw-in into the batteries.
I shall have a meeting with the Stanford Researcher later today. There will be a technical presentation at Hong Kong University on Aug 7. One or more FLEET devices will be given to the Universities for verification. Once we can motivate the hundreds of students to do “resonance huntingâ€, the chance of producing working FLEET devices for the masses will be higher. The World will benefit.
I think you are doing a very good job and now you have a good handle that reactive power can be converted to true watts contrary to mainstream belief.:)
Email exchange with Prof. Dennis Leung on the technical presentation at HK University on Aug 7, 2010
From: Dennis Leung (ycleung@hku.hk)
Sent: Mon 8/02/10
To: Lawrence Tseung (ltseung@hotmail.com)
Dear Lawrence,
Please be informed that the following room has been reserved as requested:
Date: 7 August 2010
Time: 11 am to 5 pm
Venue: Rm 737, 7/F, Haking Wong Building, the University of Hong Kong, Pokfulam Road. (See map enclosed).
Regarding the test on FLEET prototype, you can come to my lab on this Wednesday afternoon or Thursday (whole day). I shall arrange two oscilloscopes for the test.
Regards,
Dennis Leung
**********
From: Lawrence Tseung
To: Prof. Dennis Leung
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010
Subject: Presentation at HKU on Aug 7
Dear Prof. Leung,
As discussed on the phone, we would like to do a technical presentation at Hong Kong University on Aug 7, 2010 (Saturday). The plan is as follows:
1. I have a FLEET prototype in my possession that can be loaned out for your testing starting Aug 3. This prototype is not well tuned but should be able to demonstrate overunity.
2. If you can arrange some space and two oscilloscopes, I can come with the FLEET prototype to do some preliminary testing.
3. On Aug 7, Dr. Raymond Ting will bring his much better tuned system with our own oscilloscopes for the presentation.
4. We would like to have the use of the room at HKU from about 11a.m. and do some tuning and dry run first.
5. The actual presentation will start at 3:30pm and will end at approximately 5:00pm. There should be enough time for questions.
Please let me know as soon as you have identified the room at HKU. I shall prepare the presentation material so that you can send to the participants before Aug 7. Call or email me if you have any questions.
Looking forward to working together to benefit the World.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
********
If you or your friends happen to be in Hong Kong and want a technical presentation, come. 8)
This is EXCELLENT! Is there a mod we can work with also? I look forward to this build, as do many here seeking to connect the dots and disconnect from...........you know.
Also I have read that if you drain and recharge in reverse poles then drain and correctly charge that it conditions the battery fully, same with magnets. Maybe we should ALWAYS do this procedure to each an every component we make if we want it to truely be activated to receive, route, conserve ZPE fully.
Conversation with Dr. Patrick Tsang who got his Ph.D. from Imperial College
Patrick: “When do you think you can produce a 1KW FLEET? If you want to benefit the World, you should follow the path of God and not the path dictated by the Investors?â€
Tseung: “I have been struggling with this in the last few days. Without investor money, I cannot pay Dr. Ting and the Students. I am looking for Angel Investor who share the goal of helping the World?â€
Patrick: “Have you found any yet? Some talked like they shared the same goal but their actions showed otherwise. If they share the same goal, they would not object to your disclosing all information to the World. Do you really need Seed Money?â€
Tseung: “You are right. I am already blessed. I do not have to worry about food, lodgings, mortgages, children education, vacation money, reputation etc. Even if I do not pay my team, they would not starve. They will still work on FLEET. “
Patrick: “Then how long will it take you to produce a 1KW FLEET?â€
Tseung: “With Devine Blessing, three days.â€
Patrick: “Can you repeat? Are you just quoting the resurrection from the Bible? Three days? You asked the World to compete for HK$500K with a time frame of 3 months. You are saying that you can do the task in THREE days?â€
Tseung: “It looks like I may not get an Angel Investor to provide the HK$500K. So let the World benefit. The difficult part in the experiment is finding the correct variable capacitors and/or the variable inductors to do the tuning. See the attached diagram.â€
Patrick: “Wow. I know someone who can build these variable inductors and/or variable capacitors for you. He can do a much better job than your old, shaky hands. You have destroyed the chance of investment from those seeking “patented or confidential†information to get an edge over the competitors. However, you are on God's path of helping the World.â€
The presentation at HKU was successful.
We now have a prototype left at HKU for further verification. We have a small working space available for our use.
HKU will use their Data Logger to further verify overunity. They may also build variable inductors and variable capacitors to do the resonance hunting.
There is such a thing as a Grid Dip Oscillator which helps chasing
resonance in RF circuits. It might be worth your while to investigate them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_dip_oscillator
Quote from: Paul-R on August 07, 2010, 09:52:52 AM
There is such a thing as a Grid Dip Oscillator which helps chasing
resonance in RF circuits. It might be worth your while to investigate them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_dip_oscillator
Thank you, Paul-R. You and other helpful people really helped to advance the technology much faster. The following are some of the interesting comments at the HKU presentation.
Comments 1: “Your COP was over 10 this morning. Why is it only 1.5 now?â€
Reply 1: “We wanted to light 26 LEDs because Tseung bought the strips. Thus we changed the configuration. The 1 ohm resistor at the Input got hot and might have changed its characteristics. The Input peak-to-peak voltage jumped to 5 volts with a 1.0 AA battery. We tried to change back to the original configuration but we could not get the COP > 10 condition again. You saw the panic mode we were in.â€
Comment 2: “In tuning, you need variable capacitors, variable inductors and variable resistors. The best arrangement is three coarse dials and then three fine dials. I do not see that in your set up.â€
Reply 2: “We tried to buy ready-made components from the market. Variable resistors are easy to find but they affect the Q factor more. They do not change the actual resonance value much. We cannot find suitable variable inductors or capacitors. Thus we build a home-made coil around a hollow glass rod and insert soft iron to simulate variable inductor.â€
Comment 3: “You mean that ugly thing over there? Does it work?â€
Reply 3 “You hurt its feelings. When we put it into the circuit, it indeed affected the frequency shown on the scopes and the peak-to-peak voltage values. However, the moving of the soft iron rod did not seem to affect the readings much. May be the device is too coarse.â€
Comment 4: “You mentioned that you could find the 1KW condition within THREE days. Can you elaborate on it more?â€
Reply 4: “The hidden assumption is that we have the coarse and fine adjustable inductors, capacitors and resistors. We may be able to get away with only adjustable inductors or capacitors. It is a matter of turning the knobs and watching the two oscilloscopes. We can be watching TV or listening to music at the same time. With two or three sets of equipment, our four student team members will have an excellent chance of hitting on a possible resonance point. They are developing a feel already.â€
Comment 5: “Wow. The offer of HK$500K will drive the student team members hard. If there were an open competition and all candidates know the basic theory and experiment operations, the chance of hitting a 1 KW condition within three months is almost a guarantee. What happened to the HK$500K prize money now?â€
Reply 5: “Apparently, the Angel Investor talked to his family on potentially investing HK$100 million. That created much discussion and disagreement. The Angel Investor might have problem investing the HK$1 million from his own pocket now. His family members never cared about his spending HK$50K in the overunity demonstration. They would not have cared if he kept quiet and pulled out HK$1 million from his pocket. But there is something called “too successful†a demonstration on July 19. It got the Angel Investor too excited and he wanted to invest some of the family fortune. The outcome is â€" all investment from him and family is on hold.â€
Comment 6: “You do not really need seed money for a couple of adjustable capacitors and inductors. If you have a working 1KW device, hundreds of potential Investors will knock at your door.â€
Reply 6: “Tseung does not need money to pay for food, lodging, children education etc. Dr. Ting needs money to support his family. He must have significant income to sustain his involvement. The students love the extra income but they will still work on FLEET with no income. Ms. Forever Yuen has done that for over 5 years already. They participated for the experience, fun and challenge. They love the chance to present in front of the top professors from MIT, Stanford and HKU.â€
Comment 7: “Do you think that a FLEET product will come out within 12 months?â€
Reply 7: “The book with a DIY kit is most likely the first product. The DIY product may use manual swap of two AA batteries. That product can light up 10 LEDs ‘forever theoretically’ with the manual swap battery technique. We may even consider enough LEDs in the bulb for reading the book at night.â€
Comment 8: “If you can build a Gadgetmail device that can boil coffee, I think you will have a sure winner. Just invite the critics and press for coffee or tea. You will never need to worry about investment.â€
Reply 8: “Good suggestion. We shall work on it. We shall invite you for the first cup of coffee.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Lawrence, Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing your SUPER NICE photos and conversations.
Click on this link to see Variable Capacitors for sale on Ebay.com:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=capacitor+variable&_sacat=See-All-Categories
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Quote from: ltseung888 on August 07, 2010, 06:54:54 PM
.....
The outcome is â€" all investment from him and family is on hold.â€
.....
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
hahahaha! Same old story. Don't you think you've told this story so many times, it's becoming more stale than a rotting fish?
Maybe if you showed something real or has real potential, then the investment money will be real! That's usually how technology investments work in the Silicon Valley and other tech. areas. People who talk more than they can show are usually ignored except by some die-hard idiotic supporters.
cheers
chrisC
Thank you for the update of your device (again).
and as for chris ... go soak your head till you find manners and post an idea or something constructive so we can all "forum group mind" over it. I found Grid Dip Meters from $100-400 on ebay and Harrys DIY dipmeter schematics are free. Seems I remember the "suitcase power supply" having a GDO type resonance finder. Can you place the device on an old CRT monitor and "see" the fields react as you adjust? COP > 10 congratz!!!
Quote from: Hope on August 08, 2010, 04:52:48 AM
Thank you for the update of your device (again).
and as for chris ... go soak your head till you find manners and post an idea or something constructive so we can all "forum group mind" over it.
We all know who pays for the marmalade that chrisC spreads on his breakfast toast.
He needs to start to be more clever or he will end up out of a job.
Pulse charging a non-rechargeable AA battery
Last night, I decided to experiment more on the pulse charging of a non-rechargeable AA battery. My FLEET can generate over 20V peak-to-peak with no load. It should be able to recharge a 1.5V battery.
I put an LED on the being charged side just to show that current is actually passing through to do the charging. I put digital meters on both input and output. The recharging of the drained non-rechargeable AA battery was very rapid as indicated on the digital meter. I was pleased. The drained battery showed 0.3V at the beginning and within 10 minutes, the digital meter showed -1.3V. I did not pay much attention to the â€"ve sign until I took the “pulsed charged†AA battery out. When I measured it again with different meters, the polarity of the battery changed! The positive side became negative and vice versa.
I tried another non-rechargeable AA battery and the same thing happened. I then left both “pulsed charged batteries†alone. This morning, both went back to the drained state showing approximately 0.3V. On the Internet, I read that the characteristics of pulsed charged batteries would change. This is the first reproducible evidence from me. I now understand why the Bedini, Magnacoaster, Bob Boyce battery chargers etc. could not break into the Market. These chargers changed the characteristics of the pulse charged batteries and might shorten their life. I am having the same or similar problems with my FLEET AA battery charger.
The good side is â€" we are exploring unknown territory scientifically and systematically. There will be phenomena that could not be explained by existing, traditional science. I feel confident that as soon as I have the proper variable capacitors and/or inductors, our team can get to a resonance condition that can generate 1KW output power within days. I hope to reproduce both the Steven Mark TPU and the Gadgetmail Joule Thief Heater. Then I can invite the critics to do some reading and have coffee (energy from the Lead-Out Energy FLEET devices). I sincerely thank all those private emails and open posts on the Internet providing useful information on such devices. The World will benefit.
After so many years of mentions of quartz transforming force into electrical energy, wouldn't a pico element with a broad plate area near the coil to be tuned sense the "resonance" as force pulses and therefore increase output when your are at resonance? Then another could be placed on each inductor to be tuned,then you have real time data so then a PAL circuit can be programmed to make tuning automatic? Also, It will be found that air slows sparks. So perhaps a spark gap within a vacuum will be quicker (maybe a gas will help).
The quicker the magnetic field is interrupted and the quicker the uninterruption (not a word but is exact) the more "uncompressable force" due to partials traveling at or near light speed colliding with other partials which disrupts the fields in the quantum range also. Then you get OU, and more OU if you return some to the input each time. You can see how all these devices work with this Kunel theory, so if the multi-tool works then use it! So it turns out the power in lighting is really the same. I know there is lots of power in the initial strike, but nothing like the what is produced by the "Slapping" of empty vacuum being equalized which creates THUNDER. It would seem that the reaction is similar to striking the surface of water, slowly and very little resistance is returned. Strike it fast and it will Strike back (head biting the tail?). Also, dont dc pulse charged batteries have to be reversed charged each cycle. Ed Leed suggests a test to check for battery balance, perhaps it will reveal data that will help modify how we "fill" the entire battery and not cause conditions that consume the material.
One more puzzle appears to be solved
We puzzled over the fact that our overunity results are not always reproducible exactly. We tried not to touch the set up overnight. The only thing we did was to take out the battery. When we put the battery back on the next day, the results can be significantly different.
We now believe the pulsing affects the battery in a significant way. The meter reading of a new battery reads 1.4V before we insert it into our circuit. That value drops to 0.9 as soon as we put it in. The measurement is still across the poles of the battery. The Scope shows that the Voltage is NOT simple DC but pulsed. The batteries must have been affected in some way. On “restingâ€, the battery might settle down and changed its characteristics again.
The above may explain what we have been observing. The change in characteristics of the battery was the element that we did not take into account. We may use new batteries as control.
Or ultra capacitors as input and output. Isn't this what gadgetmail also ended up with.
Quote from: broli on August 09, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
Or ultra capacitors as input and output. Isn't this what gadgetmail also ended up with.
Thank you. That may be our next step. Keep the constructive ideas flowing.
Quote from: broli on August 09, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
Or ultra capacitors as input and output. Isn't this what gadgetmail also ended up with.
And me as well. I suggested this to Lawrence some time ago. The trick is to not over load them as most are only 2.7 volts and more will blow them up, litterally.
Bill
If time it takes then it thats what it takes np! Wishing you and your team the best! Also, will vacuum sealed capacitors help (which ones??) Where can they be shipped too? Can any of us help in any way? We are all bitting at the bit so to speak (hopefully) to help you all. Do yo want us to wrap coils or any thing useful and send u all anything?? Tell us the specs and we will make a variety of whatever you need, we are many, use us if it helps further this worthy project. I for one (like you smiling there) are in for this! This is at least 1.5 COPS a sure and witnessed measurement. Will anyone else phrase a reply to affirm what we can do to help and encourage this team?
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 09, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
One more puzzle appears to be solved
We puzzled over the fact that our overunity results are not always reproducible exactly.
Is there a difference running at dawn as opposed to at dusk? At middday as
opposed to at midnight?
@Hope
What kind of support to whom for what?? Where is OU? What proof? This guy claims 50W measured output and then it goes down to 6 LEDs and unable to recharge battery.... Do you read every post?
..... 1.5 COPS a sure and witnessed measurement...... witnessed by whom? Where?....
Who are you man? His brother sister or maybe a member of his "go team"?... or just a blind idiot?...
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on August 10, 2010, 10:55:08 AM
@Hope
What kind of support to whom for what?? Where is OU? What proof? This guy claims 50W measured output and then it goes down to 6 LEDs and unable to recharge battery.... Do you read every post?
..... 1.5 COPS a sure and witnessed measurement...... witnessed by whom? Where?....
Who are you man? His brother sister or maybe a member of his "go team"?... or just a blind idiot?...
Minde
@Minde
Well, the people who read this thread can be divided into 4 groups:
1). Skeptics like me who know that old Tseung would like to discover O.U but really does not have a leg to stand on - goes about it totally wrong and not really being 'skilled' in the art in any way. Way too much talk and nothing to show and then asking for $ smells like snake oil to me.
2.) Others like you who watch, observe (though not that Observer) and rightly ask 'where's the beef?'. Show us the proof!
3.) Others with good intent like Hope who encourages Tseung and has the compassion to see him succeed. Then there are also the one-liners supporters like Paul_R who only adds the irrelevant one line or two of 'how about using this .... or that or someone said this or that' - totally useless. Of course there's Bill (Pirate) who does his homework and knows his stuff from his JT experiments and tries to point old Tseung towards the more correct path, without being rude although he's still very much interested in Forever!
4.) Oh, the real workers like DR. TING (?) who despite knowing electronics has for some reason not on this Forum to answer or ask questions, instead we see the same mouthpiece doing the same talking and making the same mistakes and then when that doesn't seem to go anywhere, we get to see the doubles like Devil, TopGun and who else?
Such is unfortunately soap opera on such a channel. I really wish Tseung or for that matter all 'researchers' will succeed but the truth is there are much more talkers than doers and the doers, at least on this thread don't know enough (theory or practice) and certainly not even knowing how to measure AC power relegates this thread to where Harti has rightly placed in! Meanwhile the beat goes on, and on ....
cheers
chrisC
Then there's ChrisC,
1. Only Posts in Mr. Tseung's Thread with warnings and attacks... he "thinks" we are all getting scammed and must warn us all.
2. Never mentions 1 iota of science to back up anything he is saying.
3. Has never illicited as much as a one single response from LT (M/r Tseung).
Listen Chris.. I agree that Mr. Tseung is a pretty optimistic dude with loose lips who may not know all there is to know about science.
But the fact is... his efforts equal or trump just about anyone's here.
If you want to know why I am supporting his research at this point...
I Suggest you Resonate some Transformers and Observe the Output.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Excellent, you must be getting somewhere the derailers are trying to discourage you again. A blacklight would help find a carbon trace or pencil lines, so if you run shy on ideas, maybe a blacklight check would help. HV arcs of course will leave conductive carbon paths which are hard to see. Lots of times working with a HV circuit I will check for arcing by turning off the lights and observing. Most of the time I could hear the arc unless it was very small. The small ones were easy to find by this method. In our computer school testing, the test computers would have traces cut to inject a fault, we could fix the machine with a simple pencil line across the cut trace ( which was VERY hard to detect with the eye) then jokingly complain that our machine ran fine! It certainly fooled our instructors (was just for fun for us students tho) maybe you got a prankster there too.
Quote from: The Observer on August 10, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
Then there's ChrisC,
1. Only Posts in Mr. Tseung's Thread with warnings and attacks...
ChrisC does not care to learn the physics. He doesn't need to
since his task is only to discourage others.
Other Companies working on resonant transformers Quote from: The Observer on August 10, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
If you want to know why I am supporting his research at this point...
I Suggest you Resonate some Transformers and Observe the Output.
Check out Extremely Ingenious Engineering
http://www.eieconcepts.com/resonant_transformers.html
It is a race to see who can produce a lead-out energy device to the market first. The theory and secret is out.
Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy via appropriate resonance. The First will get the recognition but not necessarily the profit. The big debate within our team of investors, engineers, students and consultants is â€" how to become the first and the best? Should we disclose all “blood and sweat†information free on the Internet?
What is the best way to benefit the World?
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 11, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Other Companies working on resonant transformers
Check out Extremely Ingenious Engineering
http://www.eieconcepts.com/resonant_transformers.html
....
What is the best way to benefit the World?
Don't rush to claim every little thing you learn today about 'resonant' transformers. If you really know anything fundamentally earth shattering about resonance, you would not be gawking around this and other threads mouthing about your lead-out crap!
cheers
chrisC
Tried a commercial toroid in a Joule Thief Configuration.
As expected, it worked. The surprising thing was that the flashing frequency was very low - in the less than a couple of hertz range.
The general trend found so far was - the lower the frequency, the higher the chance of higher COP. This may be due to the much lower "drawing of input power". We shall confirm this with our new set of oscilloscopes.
@tseung
If you want it to perform better, try this oscillator.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on August 12, 2010, 07:43:45 AM
@tseung
If you want it to perform better, try this oscillator.
Jesus
Thank you. There appears to be many ways to resonance-pulse lead-out energy.
I am trying to convince the Investors to support the HK$500K competition. With that competition supported by the lead-out theory and the existing 2-oscilloscope results (and the Hong Kong University Verifications?), I believe thousands will enter the competition. Some will withdraw if they happen to hit on profitable, marketable configurations that can earn them much more than HK$500K.
The major objection is: “Why should we invest if the technology is OPEN? It is a repeat of the Tesla situation â€" alternating current is revealed free to the World. He ended up penniless. We only support projects that can make money. The more you reveal to the World, the less inclined will be our desire to invest.â€
I have to constantly remind myself that I am NOT the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. I am already blessed. I must listen to the Voice that directs me to benefit the World.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
tsueng,
until you can definitvely show watts IN....against watts OUT..... then you can light as many led's as you want....... you can have 1.2V IN...and show 60V OUT......or even 600 V OUT......but until you can get the rig running showing definitively.....watts IN.....against watts OUT....
also, bearing mind that this thread is named.."pulsed DC transformer with embedded magnets".........where the magnets?
(like i said....for now........."Walter Mitty" )
Rave,
The Embedded Magnets are Atomic in Size and Rotate on a Dime to Magnify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1000s of Times !
See below...
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: rave154 on August 12, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
tsueng,
until you can definitvely show watts IN....against watts OUT..... then you can light as many led's as you want....... you can have 1.2V IN...and show 60V OUT
It needs to be watts in versus watts out. (Not volts).
When it comes to the equation, don't forget that spikes are hard to handle, watts-wise.
It would be better to start with a charged battery, run the equipment which will be
outputting to accurately depleted batteries.
After a number of hours,
1. measure the amount of volts/amps needed to bring the first battery up to fully charged.
2. Measure the number of volts/amps needed to bring the output collecting batteries
up to fully charged.
COP is the second figure over the first.
paul_r.... i agrree with you, that was my point of pointing out the need the show watts IN against watts OUT.and not just 1.2V IN against 60V OUT..or even 600V OUT....V against V shows nothing..
also, thanks for the image of the permiability of iron etc.... but what i was referring to was that earlier in this thread Tseung was propounding the values of a core with actual neo magnets embedded in them to show that the flux from the magnets when positioned in the correct direction wouls somehow Add to the overall power OUT.....
now he seems to have hijacked the joule theif scheme and immediately claims it is his "Lead Out Tech"
so which is it?......Joule Thief?..embedded magnets?...flux manipulation transformer? flynn transformer?
Quote from: rave154 on August 13, 2010, 12:37:42 PM
now he seems to have hijacked the joule theif scheme and immediately claims it is his "Lead Out Tech"
so which is it?......Joule Thief?..embedded magnets?...flux manipulation transformer? flynn transformer?
Actually Mr.Tseung now wants to label the TPU as a his "Lead Out Tech"
Reply #493 on: July 20
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 19, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
The chance of our team producing a 1KW lead-out device for the poor countries within three months is excellent.
So that will be soon :), we just need to wait some more day's.
However:
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 12, 2010, 05:25:03 PM
I must listen to the Voice that directs me to benefit the World.
Lawrence Tseung
But the voice that directs Mr.Tseung did not see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAH5ztirOg&feature=related
And This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVF0rG-m0A&feature=related
And so he does not realize the World isn't going to benefit...
But i will just wait to see what he comes up with on the 20th of October :)
Quote from: Paul-R on August 13, 2010, 09:36:02 AM
It needs to be watts in versus watts out. (Not volts).
When it comes to the equation, don't forget that spikes are hard to handle, watts-wise.
It would be better to start with a charged battery, run the equipment which will be
outputting to accurately depleted batteries.
After a number of hours,
1. measure the amount of volts/amps needed to bring the first battery up to fully charged.
2. Measure the number of volts/amps needed to bring the output collecting batteries
up to fully charged.
COP is the second figure over the first.
@All
For my money the only way to measure wattage is to convert the
voltage to filtered 12VoltsDC. This will give you a nice high current
for the DVM to measure accurately. Then reconvert the 12VDC back
up to 120VAC at 60Hz. or 240Vac at 50Hz. to reconverted again
by standard DC supplies or battery charger. The o'scopes should
be reserved for showing that there are *no* pulses on this 12VDC
line and that the voltage or current does not change significantly
during the *one second* DVM instrument gating period. Voltage
and current measured with a separate DVM then multiplied.
The downconversion to 12VDC (using Schottky bridge rectifiers and
transformers can allways be considered 100% efficient.) I can
handle the fact that the upconverter is not going to be 100%
efficient but that inefficiency can be measured as xx% and presented
and I will accept that.
If someone thinks it is easy to correctly calculate the wattage of a
pulsed signal I wish they would present it because it is not very easy.
It involves Fourier decomposition of both the current and voltage
waveforms because the phase of each component relative to the
other is important. Then the sum needs to be built up from parts.
Inexpensive instruments that do this are designed for 50 or 60Hz *sine wave*
waveforms. If you really want true pulse power you will need 40K-50K$
USD high bandwidth calculating equipment.
I think one should run through this 12VDC method at least once,
because I think you will find the numbers that result come in very
different from what the cheap AC instruments are showing. You
are going to need to explain those differences.
I trust the instrumentation setup that LT is showing - not.
The stuff that he is doing is too important to have instrumentation
errors.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Rave,
Yea, I know what LT originally wanted to do... put a magnet next to a transformer.
You will find that I immediately questioned this and suggested he stuck with pulsed DC, Resonant circuits and a Ferro core.
Reason being... it's the range of the dynamic permeability of the core that makes a transformer work well (1 to 5000 in my example).
... a magnet is going to hinder the process by locking all of the 'irons' dipoles in place. (5000 to 5001).
However, I discovered a "no man's land" where a magnetic field will hold iron if pulled away... but not if brought toward.
It's possible that magnet placed at this exact spot in relation to the core of a transformer
could be used extract energy via a resonant standing wave
or the fact that a small change can cause a huge change in where the flux of the magnet is going.
(that is from the same spot in space.. it can turn the iron's dipoles, or not.. very interesting)
Never-the-less,
Yes... the magnet don't make much sense and the focus of this thread has changed a bit.
My point is that the embedded magnets we should be concerned with are contained if the ferro cores of transformers.
I Screamed that is my first post entitled
Magnetic Permeability... Why isn't anyone talking about this !!!!!!
Unfortunately, few if any were interested in talking about it.
I even thought Stefan would raise an eyebrow... not.
People... You can amplify the field of a coil 5,000 times .. without using more current !!!! (make it 1 million, no sh_t)
Anyways, the embedded magnets are there.. they rotate freely and exist within the ferro core itself.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: rave154 on August 13, 2010, 12:37:42 PM
.....
now he seems to have hijacked the joule theif scheme and immediately claims it is his "Lead Out Tech"
so which is it?......Joule Thief?..embedded magnets?...flux manipulation transformer? flynn transformer?
It depends on which personality is active at that moment; these multiples read different threads and then adopt them as their inventions.
Now you see why this is a comedy channel.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 14, 2010, 01:31:24 AM
It depends on which personality is active at that moment; these multiples read different threads and then adopt them as their inventions.
Now you see why this is a comedy channel.
cheers
chrisC
Lawrence:
You started this thread. Does that not give you the power
to kick this idiot off it?
Paul,
LT views people like ChrisC and his cohorts good for publicity.
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on August 14, 2010, 04:27:45 PM
Paul,
LT views people like ChrisC and his cohorts good for publicity.
The Observer
Well said Mr. Observer. Mr. Tseung is the circus master, you and Paul are, should I say clowns! Every circus needs a pair of you 'transformer' clowns to keep the audience resonating with laughter. Who am I but but the lowly publicity manger.
cheers
chrisC
Prayer continued
Investor: “My Consultants have seen the two oscilloscope demonstration. They confirmed that the two oscilloscopes did show overunity. However, the actual output was in the low watts range. I do congratulate you and your team on an excellent work done on a low budget of HK$50K and in a time frame of two weeks. I would like to make another similar offer. I would like to provide you with HK$150K for a demonstration of a 1 KW FLEET. The time frame is 3 months.â€
Tseung: “Will the conditions be the same as the overunity demonstration? Will there be strings attached? May I show the demonstration to whoever I think appropriate?â€
Investor: “The two-scope overunity demonstration was of academic value only. It has little commercial value. The 1 KW FLEET will have significant commercial value. I would like to maintain and improve on that commercial value. May I add the condition of confidentiality during the three months of research and development? You still have full intellectual rights.â€
Tseung: “What happens if I fail to produce a 1KW FLEET within these three months?â€
Investor: “That HK$150K will be regarded as my donation and contribution to support an inventor. We are still friends. There will be no obligations of any kind. It is like the two-scope overunity demonstration.â€
Tseung: “What happens if my team and I were successful? We actually produce a FLEET that can generate 1 KW?â€
Investor: “We can discuss investment terms at that time. Your hand will be much strengthened because you have a commercially viable product. I have to pay much more. May I ask for right of first refusal to match the offer from any other investor?â€
Lawyer: “At this stage of the game, you only have proof-of-concept devices. There are few investors if any. If you were to sell your intellectual rights now, the price will be low. But with a working 1 KW FLEET, the value will easily be in the HK$ billions range. We would like to keep all research and development information confidential to keep this huge commercial value.â€
Tseung: “I have to constantly remind myself that I am not the Inventor. It is the Almighty working his miracles through me. I must not seek personal benefits. The benefits are for the World.â€
Lawyer: “The confidentiality agreement has a limited time. After that time period, you have every right to disclose whatever information you wish to the World.â€
Investor: “I do share your goal and vision of benefiting the World. I do not need any more money for personal comfort. However, I believe that we must have a profitable Company before we can donate and benefit the World. Bill Gates is my role model. Make the money and then donate. I would hate to be in the Tesla situation â€" provided the World with Alternating Current but ended up forgotten and penniless.â€
Tseung: “Let me pray for Divine Guidance and consult my team first before my reply.â€
*** Your comments are welcome. ***
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 14, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
....
I would like to make another similar offer. I would like to provide you with HK$150K for a demonstration of a 1 KW FLEET. The time frame is 3 months.â€
.....
*** Your comments are welcome. ***
The last Olympics have come and gone more than 2 years ago.... what is 3 months! You are now in the circus act (for year 2010), just in case you're not aware of what this year is.
cheers
chrisC
His stories are so artificial.. Same music over and over again.. Tricks like .. "thousands of investors to be expected"... "measurements confirmed by some HI-FI professors doctors or universities" and etc.. without results just wont make you rich man...
Suff like this could only hurt and discourage others... what a shame..
Lead out energy my a$$ ;D
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on August 14, 2010, 09:19:09 PM
His stories are so artificial.. Same music over and over again.. Tricks like .. "thousands of investors to be expected"... "measurements confirmed by some HI-FI professors doctors or universities" and etc.. without results just wont make you rich man...
Suff like this could only hurt and discourage others... what a shame..
Lead out energy my a$$ ;D
Minde
Well said. But then there will always be clowns who think they're really up to inventing something great! Upping a transformer voltage a thousand times on a secondary winding and 'measuring O.U' using a pair of digital oscilloscopes truly shows how idiotic some dreamers are. A little knowledge can really be a circus act!
cheers
chrisC
ive got a device, and my two oscilloscopes show that for an input of a mere 12 Volts i get an output of over 8,000 Volts......do i win the prize from the investor?
i was thinking of calling my device....hmm...well.....lets see.....maybe......an....hmm......
an ignition coil....i dunno why....it just came to me
Quote from: rave154 on August 14, 2010, 10:38:38 PM
ive got a device, and my two oscilloscopes show that for an input of a mere 12 Volts i get an output of over 8,000 Volts......do i win the prize from the investor?
i was thinking of calling my device....hmm...well.....lets see.....maybe......an....hmm......
an ignition coil....i dunno why....it just came to me
LOL!
cheers
chrisC
Only reason you are still here Minde and ChrisC is to discourage others, you low down moles get a life, do not not sell your souls any longer. LOL , you make us here all laugh out loud! This new found energy threatens you doesn't it. Bark all you want, we will have the day!
Quote from: Hope on August 15, 2010, 02:57:09 AM
.... This new found energy threatens you doesn't it. ...
Er, maybe I'm missing something? Perhaps you've been barking too long at the wrong energy-less Tseung tree?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: rave154 on August 14, 2010, 10:38:38 PM
ive got a device, and my two oscilloscopes show that for an input of a mere 12 Volts i get an output of over 8,000 Volts......do i win the prize from the investor?
i was thinking of calling my device....hmm...well.....lets see.....maybe......an....hmm......
an ignition coil....i dunno why....it just came to me
Rave:
I have you beat. My coil inputs with 12 volts and puts out over 50,000 volts. It too is under the hood in my car. It even operates 6 spark gaps in rapid succession jumping a spark each time over .040". It has cycled millions of times and has never missed a beat. I think I paid $40.00 US for it. The special ceramic insulated spark gaps complete with platinum electrodes cost me about $4 each.
Bill
Prayer continued
Helper A: “You know that we are willing to help you whether we get paid. We treat it as learning. However, getting extra cash is a big motivating factor.â€
Helper B: “Did you notice that I got up early, got to the meeting places ahead of time and did more than you told me when you had the cash to pay me? When there was no cash, there was no priority.â€
Helper C: “I needed the cash. It was a matter of survival. I have been on odd jobs for a long time. When you did not have cash, I helped only when I could not find work. Half of my mind was on looking for the next paid job. When you have cash, I can dedicate the time and focus. Please work with the investor so that we actually get paid.â€
Helper A: “When you were working with no outside investment, we were working on hope. We believe in your lead-out energy theory. We learned much. When the Investor put up the HK$50K, we were excited. We poured everything out in those two weeks. The success was not an accident. Please accept the HK$150K and we shall try our best to get the 1 KW units out as soon as possible.â€
Helper B: “Get the 1 KW devices out. We can then have some real cash. It is resonance-tuning. Loan me two oscilloscopes and I can spend my TV watching hours tuning the circuits. I feel that lady luck is with me but I cannot get her unless I sweat in front of the scopes. I can compare the Input Power and Output Power. Simple meters would not work.â€
Tseung: “Do you all agree that I should accept the offer and accelerate the pace?â€
Helper A: “You have two oscilloscopes in your bedroom already. With or without the extra cash, you will resonance-tune the circuits. With the extra cash, you can buy more oscilloscopes and loan us a pair each. I do not mind putting them in my bedroom and help out. Now the only way we can do resonance-tuning is to go to you or others with the two oscilloscopes. That can only be a few hours on suitable days.â€
i think, its no need to give "lessons in physics" here in forum.
Most readers understand, very well , that the "step up -transforming" from Voltages OR Amperages
is NOT Overunity or "Win" any energy.
Energy ist definied by WATT or VoltAmpere (VA)
Only if you can convert VOLTAGE AND AMPERAGES - BOTH ! - With one Step "up".---
Than you have win Energy.
Example : 1 Watt Input to 10 Watt Output.
IF anybody can shown this ... that he can find Investors.
Othewise .... Forget it.
Gustav Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
(Germang/Engl Link Collection, since 2002)
Quote from: pese on August 15, 2010, 04:46:44 AM
i think, its no need to give "lessons in physics" here in forum.
Most readers understand, very well , that the "step up -transforming" from Voltages OR Amperages
is NOT Overunity or "Win" any energy.
Energy ist definied by WATT or VoltAmpere (VA)
Only if you can convert VOLTAGE AND AMPERAGES - BOTH ! - With one Step "up".---
Than you have win Energy.
Example : 1 Watt Input to 10 Watt Output.
IF anybody can shown this ... that he can find Investors.
Othewise .... Forget it.
Gustav Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
(Germang/Engl Link Collection, since 2002)
If the author of this thread understood enough electricity or magnetism he will not constantly write stuff that makes a mockery of the quest for O.U. Imagine describing O.U with input voltage of 6V and output voltages of several hundred volts and measuring electrical energy with oscilloscopes! And then continue to make a fool of himself by writing about such and such a investor willing to throw in $150K HK dollars or whatever amount.
One would have thought any normal person would have thrown in the towel already a long time ago or gone back to school to study 'O' level Physics & Electricity?
cheers
chrisC
like i said...(Walter Mitty)...but i think Tseung might be a bit young to know who (or rather what) Walter Mitty is
Quote from: pese on August 15, 2010, 04:46:44 AM
i think, its no need to give "lessons in physics" here in forum.
Most readers understand, very well , that the "step up -transforming" from Voltages OR Amperages
is NOT Overunity or "Win" any energy.
Energy ist definied by WATT or VoltAmpere (VA)
Only if you can convert VOLTAGE AND AMPERAGES - BOTH ! - With one Step "up".---
Than you have win Energy.
Example : 1 Watt Input to 10 Watt Output.
IF anybody can shown this ... that he can find Investors.
Othewise .... Forget it.
Gustav Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
(Germang/Engl Link Collection, since 2002)
Please see
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg248893#msg248893
The two oscilloscopes allow you to compare the instantaneous INPUT POWER and OUTPUT POWER. Once you have the full waveforms, you can integrate the area under the power curve and get the energy values.
Even the slightly trained engineering students can tell that the OUTPUT POWER graph is higher in value than the INPUT POWER graph.
Prayer continued
Consultant A : “You have proved overunity via resonance hunting. It is a matter of time before you get to the 1 KW resonance condition. What is the hurry or the need to raise capital?â€
Consultant B: “The original plan was to use HK$500K to simulate thousands of participants. The chance of hitting a 1 KW resonance condition in a three month period is almost a guarantee.â€
Consultant A: “What are the chances of Tseung working alone with limited help? Can he and team hit on the 1 KW resonance condition? Under hunting or over hunting by a few dozen hertz may miss the condition.â€
Consultant B: “It is a matter of experience, hard work and luck. Tseung has not boiled the resonance hunting down into a science yet. If there were an accurate formula, Tseung would not need to do much experiment.â€
Consultant A: “I think Tseung should find more investors. Stick to the plan of stimulating thousands and get the resonance conditions out.â€
Consultant C: “What is the drawback in accepting the condition of the Investor? There will be a possible delay of 3 months in providing the information to the World. The advantage is an additional HK$150K for development now and a possible partner that can provide millions to forward the technology.â€
Consultant B: “It is a matter of whether Tseung trusts and willing to work with the Investor? Whether they share the same goals in benefiting the World? Tseung will need investment to produce the FLEET products in any case. It is a matter of accepting help and investment at the right time.â€
Tseung: “Thank you for your comments.â€
Quote from: chrisC on August 15, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
One would have thought any normal person would have thrown in the towel already a long time ago or gone back to school to study 'O' level Physics & Electricity?
cheers
chrisC
The point is that our physics is NOT to be found in standard texts.
You have learnt nothing, chrisC. The extent of your foolishness is beyond
measurement.
Quote from: Paul-R on August 16, 2010, 12:30:30 PM
The point is that our physics is NOT to be found in standard texts.
...
Paul, thank you for confirming that Tseung and yourself share the same brain; that would explain a lot!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 15, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
If the author of this thread understood enough electricity or magnetism he will not constantly write stuff that makes a mockery of the quest for O.U. Imagine describing O.U with input voltage of 6V and output voltages of several hundred volts and measuring electrical energy with oscilloscopes! And then continue to make a fool of himself by writing about such and such a investor willing to throw in $150K HK dollars or whatever amount.
One would have thought any normal person would have thrown in the towel already a long time ago or gone back to school to study 'O' level Physics & Electricity?
cheers
chrisC
I follow all this inventions and knowledges since 2002 in the web.
Most parts of my link collection www.alt-nrg.de/pese/ i have the
knowledge to understastnd this, specially if that correspondent to electricity.
(Its my profession since near 50 years, BUT i am here to LEARN more.
It is sure that i can more find and understand from "Dollar", and nothing, since month, from this thread here, including "unprofessional circuits". Also the show NEW Scope-Pictures , say NOTING for Overunity. An lot of very small high spikes,contain less or same- energy , as shown in the input with lower peaks but whide in time holding energy.
I belive , you have to much "sand in the eyes" to see clear, otherwise , your mind "is in hope" and you see only an "fatamorgana"
I will wait longer to LEARN from you .... :-)
I have the time to see and wonder me.
Serious Messages , i preferre, PM .
Pese
not much from Tseung lately........
umm.....maybe hes been.........Grounded
exactly two months to go from today :)
maybe he is praying ;)
Quote from: XS-NRG on August 19, 2010, 07:45:35 PM
exactly two months to go from today :)
maybe he is praying ;)
Maybe we should ask Paul-R. He shares half of Tseung's brain?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 14, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
Prayer continued
Investor: “My Consultants have seen the two oscilloscope demonstration. They confirmed that the two oscilloscopes did show overunity. However, the actual output was in the low watts range. I do congratulate you and your team on an excellent work done on a low budget of HK$50K and in a time frame of two weeks. I would like to make another similar offer. I would like to provide you with HK$150K for a demonstration of a 1 KW FLEET. The time frame is 3 months.â€
Tseung: “Will the conditions be the same as the overunity demonstration? Will there be strings attached? May I show the demonstration to whoever I think appropriate?â€
Investor: “The two-scope overunity demonstration was of academic value only. It has little commercial value. The 1 KW FLEET will have significant commercial value. I would like to maintain and improve on that commercial value. May I add the condition of confidentiality during the three months of research and development? You still have full intellectual rights.â€
Tseung: “What happens if I fail to produce a 1KW FLEET within these three months?â€
Investor: “That HK$150K will be regarded as my donation and contribution to support an inventor. We are still friends. There will be no obligations of any kind. It is like the two-scope overunity demonstration.â€
Tseung: “What happens if my team and I were successful? We actually produce a FLEET that can generate 1 KW?â€
Investor: “We can discuss investment terms at that time. Your hand will be much strengthened because you have a commercially viable product. I have to pay much more. May I ask for right of first refusal to match the offer from any other investor?â€
Lawyer: “At this stage of the game, you only have proof-of-concept devices. There are few investors if any. If you were to sell your intellectual rights now, the price will be low. But with a working 1 KW FLEET, the value will easily be in the HK$ billions range. We would like to keep all research and development information confidential to keep this huge commercial value.â€
Tseung: “I have to constantly remind myself that I am not the Inventor. It is the Almighty working his miracles through me. I must not seek personal benefits. The benefits are for the World.â€
Lawyer: “The confidentiality agreement has a limited time. After that time period, you have every right to disclose whatever information you wish to the World.â€
Investor: “I do share your goal and vision of benefiting the World. I do not need any more money for personal comfort. However, I believe that we must have a profitable Company before we can donate and benefit the World. Bill Gates is my role model. Make the money and then donate. I would hate to be in the Tesla situation â€" provided the World with Alternating Current but ended up forgotten and penniless.â€
Tseung: “Let me pray for Divine Guidance and consult my team first before my reply.â€
*** Your comments are welcome. ***
To get 1KW o/p you need at least 10KVAR. The i/p power to do this maybe around 100 watts to provide 1KW o/p. You need to size up everything you are doing then you make your 1KW target.
Quote from: The Observer on August 13, 2010, 07:39:47 PM
Rave,
Yea, I know what LT originally wanted to do... put a magnet next to a transformer.
You will find that I immediately questioned this and suggested he stuck with pulsed DC, Resonant circuits and a Ferro core.
Reason being... it's the range of the dynamic permeability of the core that makes a transformer work well (1 to 5000 in my example).
... a magnet is going to hinder the process by locking all of the 'irons' dipoles in place. (5000 to 5001).
However, I discovered a "no man's land" where a magnetic field will hold iron if pulled away... but not if brought toward.
It's possible that magnet placed at this exact spot in relation to the core of a transformer
could be used extract energy via a resonant standing wave
or the fact that a small change can cause a huge change in where the flux of the magnet is going.
(that is from the same spot in space.. it can turn the iron's dipoles, or not.. very interesting)
Never-the-less,
Yes... the magnet don't make much sense and the focus of this thread has changed a bit.
My point is that the embedded magnets we should be concerned with are contained if the ferro cores of transformers.
I Screamed that is my first post entitled
Magnetic Permeability... Why isn't anyone talking about this !!!!!!
Unfortunately, few if any were interested in talking about it.
I even thought Stefan would raise an eyebrow... not.
People... You can amplify the field of a coil 5,000 times .. without using more current !!!! (make it 1 million, no sh_t)
Anyways, the embedded magnets are there.. they rotate freely and exist within the ferro core itself.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Correct iron has around 7000 the energy density of air coils. You can use a magnet because a magnet has no energy whatsoever of its own. A permanent magnet is an ambient energy device where domain structure is creating internal charges in motion as seen in the double vortices on each pole. Its the moving energy potential within the magnet material itself which creates the magnetic field of the magnet where the ambient energy is displaced. This is where the large neo magnet gets is power from to hold 100Kg weight for years! A magnet is only a gateway.
"a magnet is going to hinder the process by locking all of the 'irons' dipoles in place. (5000 to 5001)."
Correct so you shield the magnet this makes no sense to many people as they believe you need the magnetic field of a magnet to do work. No you only need its internal ambient energy loop, we are not interested in the magnetic field. That is chasing the WRONG dragon.
By using magnetic shielding the root underlying electrical power of a magnet can be tapped placing the magnet in a box of magnetic shielding alloy and using Asymmetric Bloch Wall Modulation to tap the zero point nodes within the vortices's will impart its energy by breaking the internal loop. This is the VTA.
A crude method is Asymmetric Bloch wall offset and not TRUE modulation where the magnets are offset say 3 one side and 2 other side of a coil and the rebounding ambient energy at the Bloch juncture is MUCH higher then the source energy required to provide the flux movement. This is Magnacoaster trick.
A 1000KVA utility transformer can be banged with nothing more then a 3 watt party strobe at the right resonance frequency can make that transformer literately start shaking releasing 1000's of joules. The iron goes into super magnetic-atomic ferro-resonance and utility companies spend millions to stop this happening as it goes OU and blows the shit out of the grid. When you put a material under kinetic stress you start moving charges and the material creates a magnetic field as a POST OPERATIVE effect so in the transformer all the iron becomes alike a super neo magnet and generates pure electricity within the coils -right off the bat!
Hi folks, Hi bolt1, thanks for that explanation, have you built magnacoasters setup or could you explain what has to be done in that setup to get it to work, thanks.
peace love light
Tyson
Hey I have a question for Mr. Tseung.
Have the Chinese authorities finished their 6 month evaluation of your/wang's/ting's device yet, you know, the one they started evaulating like 3 years ago?
I thought there was going to be a mass of overunity devices going on sale right after that.
What happened to Wang Shum Ho and his big company and all the millions of dollars in investment? Has his company made any products yet? Can we buy them?
This was all many years ago, and I was curious as to this, as I want to purchase an overunity generator for my house, but have not been able to find one on Amazon yet.
hey i have a question for shruggedatlas, why haven't you bought an orbo? and why aren't you running your house off it? seeing as you are convinced it is overunity...
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 18, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
Omnibus has played an important role with overunity research already. He has established the theoretical violations of the law of conservation of energy on several occasions. NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE THAT, THAT I HAVE SEEN.
He has taken the Orbo and studied it and performed tests that showed overunity, where other people were not able to do so. And where he has been critical of technologies, he has always been correct.
Omnibus has taken research and advanced it and established beyond doubt that the law of conservation of energy does not hold.
Can somebody point me to where Omnibus has established the theoretical violation of the conservation of energy.
Quote from: tomd000 on August 20, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
Can somebody point me to where Omnibus has established the theoretical violation of the conservation of energy.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg248322#msg248322
Quote from: bolt on August 19, 2010, 11:29:53 PM
Correct iron has around 7000 the energy density of air coils. You can use a magnet because a magnet has no energy whatsoever of its own. A permanent magnet is an ambient energy device where domain structure is creating internal charges in motion as seen in the double vortices on each pole. Its the moving energy potential within the magnet material itself which creates the magnetic field of the magnet where the ambient energy is displaced. This is where the large neo magnet gets is power from to hold 100Kg weight for years! A magnet is only a gateway.
"a magnet is going to hinder the process by locking all of the 'irons' dipoles in place. (5000 to 5001)."
Correct so you shield the magnet this makes no sense to many people as they believe you need the magnetic field of a magnet to do work. No you only need its internal ambient energy loop, we are not interested in the magnetic field. That is chasing the WRONG dragon.
By using magnetic shielding the root underlying electrical power of a magnet can be tapped placing the magnet in a box of magnetic shielding alloy and using Asymmetric Bloch Wall Modulation to tap the zero point nodes within the vortices's will impart its energy by breaking the internal loop. This is the VTA.
A crude method is Asymmetric Bloch wall offset and not TRUE modulation where the magnets are offset say 3 one side and 2 other side of a coil and the rebounding ambient energy at the Bloch juncture is MUCH higher then the source energy required to provide the flux movement. This is Magnacoaster trick.
A 1000KVA utility transformer can be banged with nothing more then a 3 watt party strobe at the right resonance frequency can make that transformer literately start shaking releasing 1000's of joules. The iron goes into super magnetic-atomic ferro-resonance and utility companies spend millions to stop this happening as it goes OU and blows the shit out of the grid. When you put a material under kinetic stress you start moving charges and the material creates a magnetic field as a POST OPERATIVE effect so in the transformer all the iron becomes alike a super neo magnet and generates pure electricity within the coils -right off the bat!
So then can we assume you are running your house off the gird? I hope there's more than just words to your knowledge.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 02:15:41 PM
hey i have a question for shruggedatlas, why haven't you bought an orbo? and why aren't you running your house off it? seeing as you are convinced it is overunity...
There is not an Orbo for sale.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
There is not an Orbo for sale.
but according to you and omnibus it is overunity. why are they not on the market if they are overunity? i even checked amazon... ::) furthermore, how then did omnibus take one and study it and perform tests that showed overunity as you have previously claimed?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
but according to you and omnibus it is overunity. why are they not on the market if they are overunity? i even checked amazon... ::) furthermore, how then did omnibus take one and study it and perform tests that showed overunity as you have previously claimed?
How should I know why they are not on sale? I do not control the rights to the Obro, so I cannot dictate marketing schedule for this. As soon as Steorn decides to sell them, I will consider purchasing.
As far as what Omnibus has done, you should direct your questions to him. I believe he constructed one per the SKDB. I do not have the time to construct my own, so I will just wait until they go on sale.
This was a very weak disinformation attempt. Free energy movement is sure to succeed if all the disinformation agents are as poor at their jobs as you are.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
How should I know why they are not on sale? I do not control the rights to the Obro, so I cannot dictate marketing schedule for this. As soon as Steorn decides to sell them, I will consider purchasing.
and does larry control the rights to wang shum ho? see where i am going with this?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
As far as what Omnibus has done, you should direct your questions to him. I believe he constructed one per the SKDB. I do not have the time to construct my own, so I will just wait until they go on sale.
so, your argument is that even though it (the orbo) is overunity, you don't have the time to construct your own. is that because you are to busy using logical fallacy all over this forum?
you can buy a 'kit'... check with ashtweth. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5623-steorn-open-panacea-has-license-3.html#post93377
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
This was a very weak disinformation attempt. Free energy movement is sure to succeed if all the disinformation agents are as poor at their jobs as you are.
exactly what disinformation did i post? please show this disinformation with a quote. if you do not, it will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot. YOU claimed omnibus had demonstrated overunity. i quoted you... ::) if it was disinformation, it was your own...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
and does larry control the rights to wang shum ho? see where i am going with this?
so, your argument is that even though it (the orbo) is overunity, you don't have the time to construct your own. is that because you are to busy using logical fallacy all over this forum?
you can buy a 'kit'... check with ashtweth. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5623-steorn-open-panacea-has-license-3.html#post93377
exactly what disinformation did i post? please show this disinformation with a quote. if you do not, it will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot. YOU claimed omnibus had demonstrated overunity. i quoted you... ::) if it was disinformation, it was your own...
If Mr. Tseung were to reply that he had no idea and he could not control the schedule, then that is his answer. Let him answer, why do you feel the need to answer for him?
And Omnibus has already clearly demonstrated violation of conservation of energy laws many times in this forum. If you are too lazy to look for it, I am not going to spend time hunting down old threads for you.
And since it has already been conclusively proven that overunity exists, your efforts to knock omnibus can only be interpreted as disinformation. Well the other option is you are simply some kind of retard who cannot grasp math. So either a disinformation agent or a retard, you pick, doesn't matter to me.
Anyway, I only stopped by to see how things were going with the old lead out theory and to say hello to my friend Omnibus. I do not think much has changed really. Lead out devices are still under the 6 month review, and Omnibus is still kicking ass and taking names of the science-challeged like you. Bye now.
i accept your tacit admission that you cannot.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:50:05 PM
If Mr. Tseung were to reply that he had no idea and he could not control the schedule, then that is his answer. Let him answer, why do you feel the need to answer for him?
i'm not answering for him... i am pointing out your faulty logic. larry has no more control over wang shum ho than you have over steorn... get it? probably not.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:50:05 PM
And Omnibus has already clearly demonstrated violation of conservation of energy laws many times in this forum. If you are too lazy to look for it, I am not going to spend time hunting down old threads for you.
no, he hasn't. he has theorized and calculated and averaged and integrated, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam...
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:50:05 PM
And since it has already been conclusively proven that overunity exists, your efforts to knock omnibus can only be interpreted as disinformation. Well the other option is you are simply some kind of retard who cannot grasp math. So either a disinformation agent or a retard, you pick, doesn't matter to me.
again with the logical fallacies... don't you ever tire of engaging in those?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 07:50:05 PM
Anyway, I only stopped by to see how things were going with the old lead out theory and to say hello to my friend Omnibus. I do not think much has changed really. Lead out devices are still under the 6 month review, and Omnibus is still kicking ass and taking names of the science-challeged like you. Bye now.
nothing has changed at all, you still engage in logical fallacy just as you did a year ago when you disappeared.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 07:58:14 PM
i accept your tacit admission that you cannot.
i'm not answering for him... i am pointing out your faulty logic. larry has no more control over wang shum ho than you have over steorn... get it? probably not.
You can accept whatever you want, and then stick it where the sun does not shine. There is zero value to winning an argument on the Internets. I know I am right and Omnibus is the new Newton. I do not care what you think - you and your government disinformation buddies will soon learn the truth.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 09:58:40 AM
Hey I have a question for Mr. Tseung.
Have the Chinese authorities finished their 6 month evaluation of your/wang's/ting's device yet, you know, the one they started evaulating like 3 years ago?
I thought there was going to be a mass of overunity devices going on sale right after that.
What happened to Wang Shum Ho and his big company and all the millions of dollars in investment? Has his company made any products yet? Can we buy them?
This was all many years ago, and I was curious as to this, as I want to purchase an overunity generator for my house, but have not been able to find one on Amazon yet.
Did you check Walmart? Apparently they got them on back order.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
...Omnibus is the new Newton...
ROFL
that becomes the funniest statement i ever read on this forum
.
... so that now kicks into second place the suggestion that by dreaming up a label like "Lead Out Energy" you've constructed a meaningful theory of OU
i must visit this thread more often, that's just added 5 years to my life ;)
thanks guys
sandy
Quote from: nul-points on August 20, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
ROFL
that becomes the funniest statement i ever read on this forum
.
... so that now kicks into second place the suggestion that by dreaming up a label like "Lead Out Energy" you've constructed a meaningful theory of OU
i must visit this thread more often, that's just added 5 years to my life ;)
thanks guys
sandy
Don't take this channel too seriously, after all it's where comedians (third rate) like Tseung practice their tools of their trade. But I have to agree with you, I feel 10 years younger when I read stuff here!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 20, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
Don't take this channel too seriously, after all it's where comedians (third rate) like Tseung practice their tools of their trade. But I have to agree with you, I feel 10 years younger when I read stuff here!
cheers
chrisC
shrugged, i do believe chrisc just compared you to ltseung and called you a third rate comedian...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 11:56:47 PM
shrugged, i do believe chrisc just compared you to ltseung and called you a third rate comedian...
@WilbyInebriated
Why are you so low class that you need to interpret for others? You like to urinate over others don't you. Now go play somewhere else. Unlike you, Shrug knows electronics and is a great electro-mechanical engineer who can build things. You just open your mouth and piss comes out, literally!
cheers
chrisC
Quick, someone throw some water on wilbyinebriated--he's on fire tonight! :D
Quote from: skcusitrah on August 21, 2010, 12:12:53 AM
Quick, someone throw some water on wilbyinebriated--he's on fire tonight! :D
He just needs to pee on himself and everything will return to normal!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 21, 2010, 12:00:00 AM
@WilbyInebriated
Why are you so low class that you need to interpret for others? You like to urinate over others don't you. Now go play somewhere else. Unlike you, Shrug knows electronics and is a great electro-mechanical engineer who can build things. You just open your mouth and piss comes out, literally!
cheers
chrisC
let us recap...
shrugged said:
Quote from: shruggedatlas on August 20, 2010, 08:21:43 PM..Omnibus is the new Newton...
to which nul-points replied:
Quote from: nul-points on August 20, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
ROFL
that becomes the funniest statement i ever read on this forum
.
... so that now kicks into second place the suggestion that by dreaming up a label like "Lead Out Energy" you've constructed a meaningful theory of OU
i must visit this thread more often, that's just added 5 years to my life ;)
thanks guys
sandy
to which you replied:
Quote from: chrisC on August 20, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
Don't take this channel too seriously, after all it's where comedians (third rate) like Tseung practice their tools of their trade. But I have to agree with you, I feel 10 years younger when I read stuff here!
cheers
chrisC
so i ask, to whom, if not shruggedatlas, were you referring to?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
let us recap...
shrugged said:to which nul-points replied:to which you replied:
so i ask, to whom, if not shruggedatlas, were you referring to?
Well, not only is your education level in electronics rather limited, your vocabulary and command of English is, should I say, 4th rate.
Anyway, have a good life somewhere else. You should watch the movie, the Bug's Life. They seemed very happy. You can learn a lot from real bugs.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 21, 2010, 12:18:50 AM
Well, not only is your education level in electronics rather limited, your vocabulary and command of English is, should I say, 4th rate.
Anyway, have a good life somewhere else. You should watch the movie, the Bug's Life. They seemed very happy. You can learn a lot from real bugs.
cheers
chrisC
your response is a logical fallacy known as a 'red herring'. you have not addressed the substance of my post whatsoever.
Prayer Continued
Visitor A: “Thank you for allowing us to see the Birth Place of FLEET.â€
Visitor B: “It really opened our eyes. There is no such thing as â€" no research because of no resources. It is the unbreakable human Will Power.â€
Visitor A: “I now understand that Tseung needs miracles. Wang Shen He sold his blood at one time to finance his research. He sold his rights to powerful investors and would be bound by the confidential, legally binding documents.â€
Visitor B: “Should Tseung follow the footsteps of Wang? He would then be well-financed.â€
Visitor A: “But he might be bounded by similar legal documents and could not pass his knowledge freely to the World. He will disappear from this forum. He might even effectively vanish from the surface of this Earth.â€
Visitor B: “Tseung is praying for Divine Guidance. There is no right or wrong for us humans to judge at this point. May he follow the right path to benefit the entire Human Race.â€
LOLOLOLOL @ "Bed"
Bible as Laboratory Equipment
I have to admit that I rely much on Divine Guidance. There were discouraging moments â€" when expected things did not happen. How could I overcome those bad times?
Some people say that religion and science cannot mix. I took the contradictory view. I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. Millions have worked on the basic transformer. Thousands have worked on the Joule Thief. Hundreds have worked on resonance-hunting. Many have resources far superior than those in my bedroom.
Now, after achieving overunity, I might have stumbled on some findings in resonance-hunting.
I reconfigured a HK$300 commercial toroid into a Joule Thief. I did that because of the large Inductance. I added a capacitor after trying about 20 as I could not find a suitable variable capacitor. I did have a 1000 ohm variable resistor. To my delight, I found a configuration that could pulse at approximately 1 Hertz. The Input Power was so low that even the Oscilloscope could not detect any value. However, I got enough Output Power to light from 1 to 16 LEDs. This tells me that I am in the right direction. We have detected overunity with some configurations. I can now reduce the frequency. Are we one step closer to systematic resonance-hunting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjqIJ97_A0
Is that another knowledge (or miracle) that should be shared with the World?
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 21, 2010, 08:10:45 AM
Bible as Laboratory Equipment
I have to admit that I rely much on Divine Guidance.
Divine guidance is good but bibles, well they will hold steady a vibrating coil, I
suppose.
This needs attention:
http://www.bignick.net/Morgan_Radio/Radio_17.htm
Quote from: Paul-R on August 21, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Divine guidance is good but bibles, well they will hold steady a vibrating coil, I
suppose.
This needs attention:
http://www.bignick.net/Morgan_Radio/Radio_17.htm
Some of the world top mathematicians, physicists and scientist are sent inspirational data during semi-dream states. Some even keep a note pad and pen beside their bed to make notes as soon as they wake up. But im not sure the bible has much to do with this. One of the most important things you must do is STOP watching TV for a month and stop using fluoride and you will find your brain starts working.
Who should be King or Leader who gives the Marching Orders
I was in Church this morning. The sermon was on “Obeying the Words of the Lordâ€. We had the conversation with the Christian Helpers afterwards.
Helper 1: “Since you do not need any personal benefits, you can share your knowledge with the World. Some will ignore it. Some will jeer. Some will cheer. Even if you can lead one person one step closer to Lead-Out Energy, the effort is worth it.â€
Helper 2: “I think you should finish writing your Book and the DIY kit. Your information is not in one single place. It confuses me and many others. Some of the comments on the Internet are distracting. You should give a chance for people to focus on your point of view. That would cut down on the confusion.â€
Helper 3: “Who is giving the Marching Orders? Is it the Investor? Is it the University Verifier? Is Tseung the leader?â€
Helper 1: “I think Tseung is worried about the funds required for the Project. He is trying to please the Investors.â€
Helper 2: “If you have seen the Tseung Lab or its pictures, you will understand his concern.â€
Helper 1: “If Tseung really believes that he is not the Inventor and that it is the Almighty working miracles through him, he should just organized and present the information to the best of his ability. He can ignore all the negative comments â€" which he has been doing for the last few years.â€
Helper 3: “In other words, Tseung should ignore the interests of the Investors. The Investors can always find someone to work totally in secret. The Governments are doing that. However, they are not benefiting the World. The Governments may already be far ahead in the research and development. They may be keeping the technology secret because of the military significance.â€
Helper 2: “Tseung should listen to Divine Guidance â€" whatever that may be. My gut feel is that he should continue to disclose his knowledge and the many experimental results. The Vested Interests will hate him but I feel that will serve the World better than keeping all knowledge confidential.â€
Helper 1: “What happens if the knowledge is not confirmed or may even be misleading?â€
Helper 3: “In the rim of scientific research, there are unknowns and uncertainties. Established Professors at MIT, Stanford, Tsinghua Universities have much to protect. They had to be absolutely sure because they may say something controversial. Tseung is in a different situation. He has no reputation to protect. He has no backers. His resources are pitiful. He will be ignored by the mainstream. What is the downside in presenting early, unconfirmed knowledge.â€
Helper 2: “The Investors may not like it.â€
Helper 1: “Who is giving the Marching Orders?â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 22, 2010, 07:33:36 AM
Tseung is in a different situation.
He has no reputation to protect.
He has no backers.
His resources are pitiful.
He has 59 Days left.
Discussion amongst the experts on the 1 Hertz circuit
Expert 1: “What is the significance of the 1 Hertz circuit?â€
Expert 2: “The Toroid is a commercial toroidal transformer from Welfare Electronic Components Co. in Hong Kong (3182 0688). The Model number is HDB-100-Tmhn (L).â€
Expert 3: “Tseung used the Output side 3 wires as the Joule Thief Circuit. He used the Input side 4 wires as transformer setup. He used a 1,000 ohm variable resistor, a 2N2222 and a capacitor of 3300 microfarads connected in parallel with the variable resistor. He put a 3V LED on the output side. The battery is an AA battery. He adjusted the variable resistor until the flashing was approximately 1 Hertz.â€
Expert 1: “I can see the configuration from the picture. What is so special about configurating a commercially available toroidal transformer as a Joule Thief?â€
Expert 2: “I initially thought that the important frequency must come from the 2N2222. That frequency is in millions of Hertz. It is difficult to tune LCR circuits to that frequency. But if the important frequency can be tuned to as low as 1 Hertz (and all values in between), many LCR circuits can be set up.â€
Expert 3: “Resonance-hunting will be greatly eased. The goal is to find LCR circuits to match or resonate with the toroid. It now appears that both air-coil or ferrite-core toroids can do the trick.â€
Expert 1: “But we still need to do the actual resonance-hunting. Is the 1 Hertz device a resonant lead-out energy device?’
Expert 2: “The pulsing rate was low and thus the Input Power was not even detected by the oscilloscopes. However, it can light up 1 to 16 LEDs. That means some Output Power was generated. The COP (Output/Input) is likely to be high. If Input Power were 0, the value of COP will be infinite.â€
Expert 3: “The device has been pulsing for over 1 week now with no sign of dimming. There may be some practical applications already.â€
Expert 2: “The commercial toroid has a significant Inductance. Tseung also experimented with smaller commercial toroids. The resulting frequency was higher (in the hundred Hertz range). This means varying the frequency with different LCR is definitely possible. It is a matter of checking whether there are one or more LCR values that will show significant Output Power. If the Tseung Lead-Out theory is correct, that situation is possible. The two oscilloscope experiment seemed to confirm that. It is now a matter of experimenting to show whether a significant Output Power can be produced.â€
Expert 1: “There is still much experimenting to be done. Tseung initially wanted to motivate thousands to do the experimenting for him via a HK$500K award. But if he has no Investor Support, he cannot give that award. Doing it alone in his bedroom will be a long shot.â€
Expert 2: “I think if anyone is successful in demonstrating a 1 KW lead-out energy device, he can find investors. Imagine that you have a Steven Mark TPU now. You are willing to demonstrate it on T.V. to the satisfaction of the academics. You will have investors queuing up for miles. Tseung does not need to provide the award.â€
Expert 3: “The way I look at it is: some kind of pulsing mechanism; some kind of LCR circuit and some type of control. With appropriate resonance-tuning, electromagnetic energy can be lead-out to do useful work. It is a matter of getting solutions to the couple of ‘some kind’! Am I correct?â€
Expert 2: “Correct. If you hit on a ‘some kind’, you can get rich. If you master the technique of achieving ‘some kind’, you will win the Nobel Prize and be richer than Bill Gates. Who is likely to have that glory?â€
Expert 1: “Someone who believes and acts. Are you the one?â€
is anybody else thinking the same thing that i am?...........voices in the head from "God".......mysterious multiple investors..errrr
maybe i should shut up in order to avoid insulting any one
Helping the one to achieve the 1 KW resonance condition
Tseung was talking about his Lead-Out Energy Invention in a Social Gathering again. The audience was from different backgrounds. Some heard the presentation dozens of times. Some heard it the first time.
Audience A: “If Steven Mark already showed the TPU on Internet, what is the significance of Tseung or another person repeating the same?â€
Tseung: “Steven Mark effectively vanished. No TPU product ever came out. In a way, we are trying to replicate his work. However, I approach it from a more general resonance hunting point of view. I have the lead-out electromagnetic energy theory to guide me. The Scientific Community cannot dismiss the experimental result as a hoax because of violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.â€
Audience B: “You have now disclosed the basic approach on the Internet. It is just the matching of LCR circuits to the toroids. Some lucky soul may hit on the resonance condition. Who should get the credit?â€
Audience C: “How many people on the Internet will actually do the experiment? How many will report the results if there were significant commercial value? My belief is â€" NONE.â€
Tseung: “I always have to remind myself that I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. I should just report the findings to the World so that the World benefits. It may take one single soul to advance the invention to a working product. I may not be the one.â€
Audience A: “I am not religious. I do not believe in miracles. My personal belief is that Governments already know the technology but decided to keep that as military secret. If one discloses the information publically and gains unstopable momentum, others will follow and show that they are better. If Tseung can demonstrate a Steven Mark type TPU publically, I am sure many Governments will announce that they already have better products.â€
Audience B: “Do you think that Tseung should keep disclosing his early research results on the Internet and take the inevitable insults and jeers?â€
Audience A: “He has been doing that for years. Why stop now? If Lead-Out Energy FLEET never works, there is little loss. If someone ever proves FLEET works with a commercial product, the information in this Forum will become the gold mine for Reporters and Novel Writers. The jeerers will have their place in History too. They will continue to bark and scream.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 22, 2010, 10:58:08 AM
Doing it alone in his bedroom will be a long shot.â€
aiiiiyeeee - too much information!!!!! :o
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
Tseung will continue to bark and scream.
58 Days and counting :)
Your place reminds me of intent artists, builders, hands on and focused. The first space labs "capsules" were not much less than your lab. Congratulation on streamlining and making best usage of what has been granted to you. Please remember to use the other-side of those walls to replenish yourself, I believe you will gain alot from taking time to recharge and refresh yourself. I too have access to a larger toroidal but am just now working on a device proposed by David Lambrite which somehow manifests radiant energy. NO WIRES! Just shapes and you can SEE the bent light waves with you own eyes (though hard to see on digital camera takes). I certainly can see it best on his video called "Energy Fluid".
Meeting with another Free Energy Inventor
Inventor: “I spent many years trying to identify and replicate overunity devices. The latest one is a Linderman type device floating on magnetic bearings. It could rotate at 6,000 rpm. However, it is not overunity.â€
Tseung: “How would you make it overunity?â€
Inventor: “I do not know. I think I can rotate it faster with higher input power.â€
Tseung: “Are you aware that almost all those who blindly go for higher rotational speeds failed?â€
Inventor: “Yes. That is why I come to see you. What is the secret to achieve overunity?â€
Tseung: “ In one sentence, resonance pulse an electrical system to lead-out electron motion energy.â€
Inventor: “Do you have a working system to show me?â€
Tseung: ‘Yes. Welcome to the Tseung Bedroom. Can you see the two oscilloscopes, the commercial toroidal transformers, the hand-wired toroids, the many joule thief and LCR circuits?â€
Inventor: “Can it be this simple? Is the Hong Kong University HKU really verifying the results with their more expensive equipment and data logger?â€
Tseung: “I can show you the full presentation at HKU, the pictures of the participants and the many oscilloscope shots. Some of them have been posted on the Internet.â€
Inventor: “You mean the overunity forum? The information there is very confusing with much distraction. I read them multiple times but could not get the real information.â€
Tseung then gave a two-hour repeat of the HKU presentation.
Inventor: “Are you saying that your winding is essentially one layer of transformer winding, one layer of Joule Thief winding and another layer of transformer winding. It is a simple sandwich arrangement. The magnetic flux from the Joule Thief winding is effectively the Primary. How do you connect up the two transformer windings â€" in series or in parallel?â€
Tseung: “In series.â€
Inventor: “With that arrangement, you effective broke all the rules of the transformer design. The stepping up or down was no longer determined by the number of turns. The 1.5V of the AA battery could be stepped up to over 400 volts peak-to-peak via LCR tuning. The output current could still be 120 mA peak-to-peak. The product (instantaneous Output Power peak-to-peak) would then be 48 watts.â€
Tseung: “Correct. But I trained my team on the comparing of the two instantaneous power curves on the two oscilloscopes. They tune their circuits by observing the two graphs simultaneously.â€
Inventor: “Can I repeat your results in my place with my equipment? What is involved?â€
Tseung gave the Inventor some 2N2222, LEDs, resistors, switches, a cut PVC tubing and information on the windings.
Inventor: “I shall get back to you after I experiment with your circuits. It is so much simpler than the Linderman device. Your one second flashing device may already have good application. I know that some batteries can be recharged with a solar panel for about 8 hours. They can also be charged via a rotating crank. That flashing device can easily last for a few days flashing continuously. The cost of all components is less than HK$300.â€
Tseung: “I intend to develop it as a DIY kit together with my book. The book will have a CD with links to information on the Internet. The book may sell for HK$1,000 in wealthy countries but may be sold or distributed at cost via charitable organizations in poor countries. Some engineers are helping me already.â€
Inventor: “I can help to increase the brightness with more LEDs and change the flashing to a steady light. The result can be a lead-out energy reading light that can be recharged by the sun or by the human muscle. The 48 watt Output Power is more than sufficient. My training is industrial design engineering. It is indeed a miracle.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 24, 2010, 04:08:52 AM
Meeting with another Free Energy Inventor
Tseung: “How would you make it overunity?â€
Inventor: “I do not know. I think I can rotate it faster with higher input power.â€
A "no load" rotational speed means nothing.
The speed is only interesting when there is a known load applied using a prony
brake or electric generator of some sort. Then, the power out is obtained by
multiplying these quantities together.
@ Itseung888,
Lawrence, I think you can convince anybody if you show them this video. If that doesn't convince them, nothing will. LOL
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373#
ALSO, thank you for posting those great photos. It is nice to see what's happening on the other side of the world.
Thanks again,
.
Quote from: FatBird on August 24, 2010, 05:14:41 PM
@ Itseung888,
Lawrence, I think you can convince anybody if you show them this video. If that doesn't convince them, nothing will. LOL
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373#
ALSO, thank you for posting those great photos. It is nice to see what's happening on the other side of the world.
Thanks again,
.
Thank you, Fatbird. The investor is effectively asking me to reproduce the Steven Mark TPU with a contribution of HK$150K. He knows that I shall do the experiments with or without his money. He added one condition â€" keep the development information confidential for three months.
His lawyer is supposed to be drafting the terms for awhile now. I filled in the application form to show FLEET at the Inno Tech Expo 2010 in Hong Kong in November. Last year, we showed the big Tong Wheel. This year, we may show the Two Oscilloscope Experiment and the One Second Flashing LED. There is a good chance of showing the ‘Lead-out energy reading light’ that can be recharged by solar panel or human muscle.
Here is the conversation with a few people from the Hong Kong Invention Association who helped to get reduced rates for our poor inventors to appear in the Expo.
Member A: “How much does it really cost to show overunity with your lead-out energy technology?â€
Tseung: “The major cost is two oscilloscopes costing RMB1,800 each. The commercial Toroids cost from RMB50 to RMB300. The PVC tubing and lamp wires cost about RMB100. The transistors, LEDs, Inductors, Capacitors, Resistors, batteries, and digital meters, etc cost about RMB300. The total comes to RMB4,300. Let us round it up to RMB5,000. The real investment is human brainpower and sweat.â€
Member B: “We have many members willing to put in the brainpower and sweat. At least a dozen have been working for years without achieving overunity. Can you run a seminar for us? You will have many helpers at the Expo. You have demonstrated the set up to Investors and at HKU already. One more demonstration will not hurt.â€
Tseung: “I am negotiating with an Investor at present. He may invest HK$100 million or more. That would be sufficient to produce actual FLEET products. He already donated HK$50K for the two oscilloscope demonstration. He is donating HK$150K more for the 1KW FLEET demonstration to be completed within three months. There is a condition of keeping development information confidential for three months this time.â€
Member C: “As I understand it, FLEET can improve lighting in the following steps.
1. The old hot light bulb.
2. The standard LED
3. The standard LED with Joule Thief Circuit
4. The standard LED with your sandwiched Joule Thief Circuit
5. The standard LED with your sandwiched Joule Thief Circuit and LCR tuningAm I correct?â€
Tseung: “The resonance pulsing does not rely on the Joule Thief Circuit. Other techniques such as reed switches, signal generators, timer oscillators etc may also work.â€
Member C: “I am thinking of investing my own RMB$5000. I have oscilloscopes and some parts already. If I follow your instructions and attend your seminar, will I have a chance to reproduce your overunity results?â€
Tseung: “With your capability and background, the answer is 100% or more. You may beat me to the 1 KW FLEET device. If I am not mistaken, you are a co-owner of a transformer factory in China.â€
Member A: “Yes. He is. However, he is too busy to do the experiments himself. He just gives the task to his engineers. I can do a better job if I have the equipment and training.â€
***** I believe multiple teams in Hong Kong and China are working on the Steven Mark TPU (or the 1KW FLEET) already. I may be the only one providing information free on the Internet. Some of my helpers are unhappy as my disclosing the information destroys the chance of my getting HK$150K â€" some of it will end up in their pockets. My view is â€" any action that benefits the World will be fine with me. The Investor may find another team to do the resonance-hunting for him. His team may beat me but the World will benefit. I would consider myself a winner.
Lead-out energy wins. *****
i dunno...everytime i read one of Tseung's "conversations with investors" posts.......i always get the theme tune to james bond humming around my head
Some basic components to build FLEET.
Looks like we shall give a workshop in the near future.
It seems you forgot one more thing ::)
@tseung
Just have fun with all those beautiful parts and use your God given creativity to be a winner, a success.
Jesus
If God is this all powerful, all knowing inventor, why doesn't she just make the OU device herself out of thin air. Why does she need Tseung as a channel?
Quote from: XS-NRG on August 26, 2010, 08:04:35 AM
It seems you forgot one more thing ::)
Thank you. When we move from the mA range, we need them. It appears that our Investor has decided to invest in other teams that are much more business minded.
I can refocus my energy on what can be done with the resources already in my bedroom. The plan is as follows:
1. Run a couple of workshops to train up more people who can do resonance-tuning.
2. Send out more prototypes to academic institutions for further verification
3. Prepare for the Open Display at the Inno Tech Expo 2010
4. Get charitable organizations involved to see the possibility of giving the technology away
5. Finish the Book with DIY kit. The book may be thin with a CD as the main information source
6. Post the experimental results as they come out. Even if anything should happen to me, the World will benefit
I know that the chance of coming out with a 1KW FLEET device ahead of the Government Institutions, the well-financed teams and oil interests is slime. But Miracle can happen again.
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 22, 2010, 07:33:36 AM
.... My gut feel is that he should continue to disclose his knowledge and the many experimental results. .....
My gut feeling is that Tseung should first produce a DIY Delusional Kit! That will sell very well for those wannabe inventors without merits.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on August 26, 2010, 11:44:28 PM
My gut feeling is that Tseung should first produce a DIY Delusional Kit! That will sell very well for those wannabe inventors without merits.
cheers
chrisC
Take no offense. I wonder if your talent and expertise can be better used in the following thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg254341#new
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 26, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
oil interests is slime.
this is the first sensible thing he's said :)
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 24, 2010, 06:49:39 PM
...
***** I believe multiple teams in Hong Kong and China are working on the Steven Mark TPU ... *****
I also believe Santa Claus is working on the TPU too! (Tseung's Phantom Unit)
cheers
chrisC
test configuration on Aug 28
The configuration uses 10 turns of Joule Thief and 50 turns of transformer wiring. It may be the configuration to be used by all participants in the coming workshop.
The Output Vpp was 35V and the estimated COP was much greater than 1 from the curve comparisons. Some tuning with the variable resistors were done.
I have enough parts to do a couple of similar prototypes. This may also be the configuration to be sent to multiple universities for verification.
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 28, 2010, 01:02:44 AM
test configuration on Aug 28
...
... and the estimated COP was greater than 10.
....
What have you been smoking?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: blueplanet on August 27, 2010, 06:55:49 AM
Take no offense. I wonder if your talent and expertise can be better used in the following thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg254341#new
Sorry Blueplanet, I don't know the other clowns in the other thread. One comedy channel is more than I have time to relax and rejuvenate my humor. Thanks for the invitation though.
cheers
chrisC
Discussion with Technical Consultants
Consultant 1: “I see from the post on Aug 28 that you used DC power supply and ferrite core windings. What are the reasons?â€
Tseung: “Previously, I used AA batteries. I noted that their properties changed with usage. A working prototype on day 1 was no longer working on day n. The circuit needed to be re-tuned. When important experimental results were not strictly reproducible, it raised doubts.â€
Consultant 2: “The use of the DC power supply eliminated that doubt. Very clever! Would you recommend air core or ferrite core for the toroid?â€
Tseung: “Both appeared to work. Both produced overunity results as seen on the oscilloscopes. The ferrite core toroids have the advantage of small size. They are cheaper and faster to wind too.â€
Consultant 1: “The material cost for the prototype on your Aug 28 post is less than HK$100 (or less than US$15). You can repeat, modify and improve easily,â€
Consultant 2: “Almost all electrical engineering departments of universities have DC power supplies and two oscilloscopes. Reproducing your results worldwide is easy. Demonstrating overunity via FLEET is a piece of cake. No Oil Interests nor Government Interventions can stop the FLEET research now. Tseung can be silenced. But the FLEET technology will continue.â€
Consultant 1: “It is a simple matter of resonance hunting. Stan Meyer did it with his HHO water cell. He was poisoned. Gadgetmail did it with his AA battery heater. He got cancer. Steven Mark did it with his TPU. He vanished.â€
Tseung: “This may be the path laid down by the Almighty. Show and share the experimental results with the World. Give a chance for all scientists to verify and improve them. Even though I do not have HK$500K to give as prize money, many will go ahead. The 1KW FLEET device will come out. It may not be from my bedroom.â€
Consultant 2: “It may come out from some kitchen table from an unlikely Country. You will show your two oscilloscopes Demonstration again at the Inno Tech Design 2010 Expo at the Hong Kong Convention Center in December this year. Many thousand visitors will see it. The 1KW FLEET will be a bonus. But the overunity demonstration is good enough for me.â€
Consultant 1: “I shall tidy up a kitchen table for my teenage son. Resonance-tuning is more educational and fun for him and his friends.â€
This is my first post in this thread,which I follow from its beginning, and all I can see is a simple joules thief with a secondary and a huge amount of useless bla bla. I wish not to be offensive, but I think Mr. Tseung, that reading the joules thief you surely will learn a lot (as I have) from so many clever & serious experimenters, who have already done hundreds of things with such a simple circuit.
You may learn by the way that a forum is intended to share info, not to be used as a kind of personal and boring diary.
cheers
Alvaro
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on August 28, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
This is my first post in this thread,which I follow from its beginning, and all I can see is a simple joules thief with a secondary and a huge amount of useless bla bla. I wish not to be offensive, but I think Mr. Tseung, that reading the joules thief you surely will learn a lot (as I have) from so many clever & serious experimenters, who have already done hundreds of things with such a simple circuit.
You may learn by the way that a forum is intended to share info, not to be used as a kind of personal and boring diary.
cheers
Alvaro
Mr. Alvaro. You will soon learn that this clown thinks he has discovered sliced bread; his ego does not allow him to accept what he has 'invented' or 'discovered' is no more than basic teachings of others in this OU website. Just don't take it too seriously. It's just a comedy show.
cheers
chrisC
Breaking of Transformer Rules
Engineer: “Mr. Tseung, you know you are breaking the transformer design rules. The first rule is ignoring the number of turns of wires. You step up the voltage via pulsing circuits and LCR resonance. Your example of using the Joule Thief circuit to step up both the Voltage and Current was NEVER in the design manual of transformers.â€
Tseung: “But it works. You have played with the two oscilloscopes yourself.â€
Engineer: “I have seen the result. Another rule you broke is â€" design your transformer near its resonance frequency. My standard textbook said to avoid that at all costs. The transformer might vibrate itself to pieces. You could cause short circuits, fires and other destructive happenings.â€
Tseung: “The lead-out energy theory says that electron motion energy is constantly being exchanged amongst objects. It will show net results at resonance. At resonance, the random exchanges changed to a more orderly exchange. I am sure that your textbook never mentioned that.â€
Engineer: “You are right. I was taught that no energy comes in from the surrounding at resonance. You are beginning to make me doubt my textbooks. I want to raise another question. Can I use a reed switch to do the pulsing?â€
Tseung: “I believe the answer is yes. We experimented with the signal generator and the joule thief circuits only. Other techniques have not been tried yet. You can initiate a set of experiments on reed switches yourself.â€
Engineer: “Thank you for your time and the unconventional information.â€
*** Joule Thief Circuit is NOT necessary in resonance hunting. It is only one of the many possible pulsing methods. ***
Mr. T have you seen the YouTube from David Lambrite titled Energy Fluid it may help you in the search you have been on. He has a topic in the Half Baked Ideas section with links and alot of mind filling and EYE FILLING evidences for all to see.
Quote from: Hope on August 28, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
Mr. T have you seen the YouTube from David Lambrite titled Energy Fluid it may help you in the search you have been on. He has a topic in the Half Baked Ideas section with links and alot of mind filling and EYE FILLING evidences for all to see.
Oh great now Tseung is going to take credit for this one too I can see it now "the lead out theory show how the light is bent form the source bla bla bla.."
Really Lee t. I've been reading your threads for years and I had high hopes for you but we have been here many times in the past you claim success and then wander all over the place dragging things along then off on a new delusion.
Well it is interesting to see where you have wondered off to from time to time.
Pete
Just came back from Church.
The message was:
Learn to let go and trust the Almighty. HE performs the miracles.
Thank you for sharing everything Lawrence.
That is SUPER NICE of you sir.
.
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 29, 2010, 08:28:31 AM
Just came back from Church.
The message was:
Learn to let go and trust the Almighty. HE performs the miracles.
There is a word for what the Almighty does in allowing miracles is: omnipotent.
There is another word for what you continue to go round in circles is:
delusion.
Going to church and claiming God is on your side in order to justify your efforts is like going to church to worship the Almighty every week and still deny the deity of Christ! Take a pill Tseung.
cheers
chrisC
1 month, 21 days :)
1Kilowatt unit by Lawrence Tseung.
1000 Watts of FREE ENERGY!!! :)
I think maybe he needs to watch that lil youtube video about "praying to the jug of milk"...or perhaps the one about "why doesnt God heal amputees?"
Prayer Continued
Tseung: “Which research path should I take now? There is no investor. There are no helpers. There seem to be many promising paths.â€
Christian 1: “Please list out the promising paths.â€
Tseung: “They are:
1. The Gadgetmail AA battery heater. That is based on the Joule Thief.
2. The Steven Mark TPU. That is based on a large air coil toroid.
3. The Stan Meyer HHO water cell. That is based on the LCR resonance on a fuel cell â€" breaking the water molecules up.
4. The Don Smith Resonance Approach. That used much higher voltage.
5. The One Second Flasher that is still flashing after 3 weeks. That is based on the commercial toroidal transformer.
6. The many rotating systems such as the Tong Wheel, the Wang Generator, the 225 KW Wheel, the Chase Campbell system etc.â€
Christian 2: “What is the common characteristic?â€
Tseung: “Resonance pulsing and matching of LCR circuits.â€
Christian 1: “Which one is the cheapest to develop?â€
Tseung: “The Gadgetmail Joule Thief or the Steven Mark TPU.â€
Christian 2: “Which one do you have more confidence in?â€
Tseung: “Both.â€
Christian 1: “It is like choosing a girl friend. There are two nice girls. Which one will you date? You are not allowed to date both simultaneously. You will create broken hearts if you do. Choose!â€
Tseung: “The Gadgetmail Joule Thief heater. I shall give seminars on Lead-Out Energy. Show the two oscilloscope results. Let the participants take on the various approaches.â€
Christian 2: “The situation is like that in a social club. You can be friends with many. However, you should only date one girl. Pour out your heart and love for her. Still attend the functions of the social club. God asked you to let go. Let others shine. Do you understand now?â€
Tseung: “Date and marry one girl. Keep friends with many. Thank you. Gadgetmail heater, here I come.â€
err.......i think what were witnessing here......is a kind of....split personality deal ? :(
@CHRIS C
at first I thought you were a bit exaggerated in your criticism, but now, after this return to the gadget issue, I think you were short !
@Tseung
Please, follow the wise advice from Chris: TAKE YOUR PILL !, the world will benefit.
cheers
Alvaro
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on August 29, 2010, 08:00:01 PM
@CHRIS C
at first I thought you were a bit exaggerated in your criticism, but now, after this return to the gadget issue, I think you were short !
@Tseung
Please, follow the wise advice from Chris: TAKE YOUR PILL !, the world will benefit.
cheers
Alvaro
@ Alvaro_cs
I really don't want to be rude to anyone on any forum but after countless circular arguments with old Tseung, it is obvious the gentlemen is either delusional, has split personality or just plain old stubborn and being silly! But then for a 60 something man to behave like this is hard to explain. Well, I really would hate to have newbies on this thread to get so excited and waste a whole lot of their time because they think old Tseung has found the Holy Grail!
cheers
chrisC
Training up more Overunity Researchers
Attached is the basic training plan. You are welcome to follow and improve it.
You may even make money with it. The World will benefit with more capable Lead-Out Energy Researchers.
Quote from: ltseung888 on August 30, 2010, 02:34:05 AM
Training up more Overunity Researchers
Attached is the basic training plan. You are welcome to follow and improve it.
You may even make money with it. The World will benefit with more capable Lead-Out Energy Researchers.
Hey Tseung. Your chance to take credit for this Silicon Valley invention and renamed it 'Lead Out Fuel Cell'?
Hurry, before another of your multiple personality takes credit! LOL!
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6816773n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
That's nice that you want newbies to know that Tseung hasn't found the holy grail.
Although...
Resonant Circuits connected to Resonating Ferro Core Transformers is probably about the closest anybody's gunna come to it.
But Chris, if you really wanna protect the newbies from being excited you better check out ole Cletus Howell.
This guy has started about 15 threads (300 posts) in 2 weeks & pretty much within each one of them he is claiming OU.
Of course there isn't any circuit diagrams... just grainy videos claiming this or that contraption is OL (Over Limit)
I say it's OU bullshit... I bet you would too.
Tseung has 1 thread he posts about once a day in...
Cletus has multiple threads that he is claiming OU in about 10 times a day.
If anyone is confusing the newbies around here... it's Cletus.
I need your help letting people know that Cletus may need the same pills you recommend to Tseung.
Check it out... there should be at least 5 posts from him on the leader board as we speak.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@tseung
You can also explore this one. Maybe your students like it.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on August 30, 2010, 01:59:35 PM
@tseung
You can also explore this one. Maybe your students like it.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm
Jesus
Thank you. This Naudin generator uses both air core and ferrite core. It also uses signal generator to achieve resonance-hunt. Its has elements of the Magnacoaster vibrating magnet. Instead of LEDs, Naudin used 20W and 5W lights. We have similar parts or can get them easily.
It is worth experimenting. This is extremely helpful. I shall post the results of the mini-workshop experiments to be done this afternoon. All can learn together. This will be one of the advanced, optional projects.
On J Naudins last pictured device called "SG2for HIGHPOWER" it looks strangely familiar, then I realized it looks like the principle Lambrite and Rosemary are investigating. If we combine both designs into one model we may gain significantly. Now to me it begs the question "What is happening in the most inner circle of rings and what if we took our power off a ring coil there from all the other ring coils arranged like Rosemary's rig?" NN-SS-NN
See what i mean it seems to enhance the 2SG model to re think the pole design within Naudin device to further it along.
If it does then it is a key of importance. I wonder further if their WAS one more coil in the center of those 2SG coils with a center coil was neon tube or other gas would it excite enough to become visible radiant light (mercury vapor is may be good). Then would the light add also to the output?
Who knows but those who are willing to build and find out!
Quote from: Hope on August 30, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
On J Naudins last pictured device called "SG2for HIGHPOWER" it looks strangely familiar, then I realized it looks like the principle Lambrite and Rosemary are investigating. If we combine both designs into one model we may gain significantly. Now to me it begs the question "What is happening in the most inner circle of rings and what if we took our power off a ring coil there from all the other ring coils arranged like Rosemary's rig?" NN-SS-NN
See what i mean it seems to enhance the 2SG model to re think the pole design within Naudin device to further it along.
If it does then it is a key of importance. I wonder further if their WAS one more coil in the center of those 2SG coils with a center coil was neon tube or other gas would it excite enough to become visible radiant light (mercury vapor is may be good). Then would the light add also to the output?
Who knows but those who are willing to build and find out!
Interesting configuration.
I think I shall focus on the following. It is the general form of the Gadgetmail heater. So far, the results seem encouraging. Overunity was clearly demonstrated on the oscilloscopes. When I replaced the battery with the DC Power Supply, the result was much more reproducible.
Later, I shall replace the 2N2222 with different pulsing sources. This general form will be explained to the workshop participants. They can select certain aspects and improve them. The chance of reproducing the Steven Mark TPU of 1KW is much higher.
This knowledge is for the World. Any one can replicate and improve without paying royalties. If and when their products make money, they are encouraged to donate 10% profit to charitable causes. One possible charitable organization is Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
The feedback from the mini-workshop on Aug 30, 2010Quote
Dear Lawrence
Thanks for the interesting discussion and demo today.
I would like to buy a LCR meter for my friend Mr Wong to carry out investigations on the circuit with different components. Please inform me where (name of shop, and address) you bought those oscilloscopes from Shenzhen? I am sure there are LCR meters on sale there at very reasonable prices.
Thanks
Tseung’s reply:
Quote
Call Mr. Chow at 13798482951
The shop is:
Xinboing electronic tools Ltd
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They sell oscilloscopes, signal generators and LCR meters.
It looks like that we can run a few more workshops and encourage the participants to run more themselves. The chance of some participants resonance-hunt a 1 KW FLEET device will be many times that of Tseung doing that in his bedroom alone.
Anybody who is seriously into electronics can make his own microchip based L-C-R meter for a couple of bucks.
They do not spend big bucks on overpriced equipment they can make.
A non-blinking FLEET configuration
One of the requests was to produce a FLEET light that has a number of LEDs that can last for days with 1 rechargeable AA battery. The battery may be recharged via Solar Panel or by human muscle.
Such a configuration may be achieved with a RMB50 commercial Toroid configured as a Joule Thief Transformer. The frequency was tuned to 38 Hz. The experiment was done with the DC Power Supply as power source which provided reproducible results. A rechargeable AA battery will be used to see how long the lighting can continue.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 01, 2010, 02:36:36 AM
A non-blinking FLEET configuration
One of the requests was to produce a FLEET light that has a number of LEDs that can last for days with 1 rechargeable AA battery. The battery may be recharged via Solar Panel or by human muscle.
Such a configuration may be achieved with a RMB50 commercial Toroid configured as a Joule Thief Transformer. The frequency was tuned to 38 Hz. The experiment was done with the DC Power Supply as power source which provided reproducible results. A rechargeable AA battery will be used to see how long the lighting can continue.
The voltages quoted in the image are interesting, but, in the end, energy determinations
need to be made. I still reckon that filling batteries is the way to do this.
Quote from: Paul-R on September 01, 2010, 06:47:41 AM
The voltages quoted in the image are interesting, but, in the end, energy determinations
need to be made. I still reckon that filling batteries is the way to do this.
Paul:
I have suggest filling caps, super caps to be exact. I believe this is the "best" way to determine what is or is not really going on. Actually, from my experience thus far, supercaps lean in the favor of what we are trying to here here on OU dot com. All those neat little spikes we see on the scopes are, or at least appear to be, stored as usable energy. I am not sure any battery can do this as efficiently.
Just my 2 cents. Maybe I am hoping that if I give Lawrence a good idea, then Forever will call me.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 01, 2010, 09:49:54 AM
Paul:
I have suggest filling caps, super caps to be exact.
I'm sure you're right, unless the spikes trash the dielectric.
By the way, if you charge a cap up to a high voltage, and you want to discharge it
at a smooth lower voltage without wasting any energy, how is this done?
You can use one of these circuits, specifically the one labeled controlled output.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 01, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
You can use one of these circuits, specifically the one labeled controlled output.
Jesus
But the controlled output circuit has the cap straight shorted.
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 01, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
You can use one of these circuits, specifically the one labeled controlled output.
Jesus
Thank you, Jesus. I have been playing mainly with hard output. Now there are more variations to play.
The 38 Hz FLEET is still bright this morning. It can already be useful. I am still hopeful on the following improvements:
1 Traditional heated lamp
2. LED lights
3. LED lights with Joule Thief Circuit
4. LED Lights with Tseung improved Joule Thief and Transformer Circuit
5. LED Lights with Tseung improved Joule Thief and Transformer Circuit resonance tuned.
The experiments are at stage 4 as of this morning. Stage 5 will be longer and more interesting with the suggested LC configurations. Thank you once again.
Quote from: Paul-R on September 01, 2010, 06:07:37 PM
But the controlled output circuit has the cap straight shorted.
That circuit comes from a Radio Shack electronic experimenter and when you build it on the experimenter it does work.
Jesus
That is a dead short over the capacitor.
I wonder who whould draw something like that.
It cannot work.
on & on it goes..and Tseung STILL doesnt produce any "Watts IN - Watts OUT" numbers.....only voltage ::)
Quote from: rave154 on September 01, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
on & on it goes..and Tseung STILL doesnt produce any "Watts IN - Watts OUT" numbers.....only voltage ::)
He likes blinking LEDs. Those things show him he has O.U!
cheers
chrisC
damn.... 1KW worth of blinking LED's....thats a lot.
Any one think we can adapt a cheap laser audio microphone to use to attach our equipment so we don't detune the circuit while we find resonance? It doesn't have to just connect scope probes, we may be able to just connect directly to our sound card and use software equipment.
http://www.sillanumsoft.org/download.htm VA is the best free (maybe paid too) package. Thankx to the member who mentioned it to the forum.
After all this new knowledge has been shared we may realize insights reviewing the old masters again, I am starting with Ed then maybe I can get more from Cletus's replys. I must go back and understand his math. Cletus where did you find your math training?
Virtins is very good.
http://virtins.com/ (http://virtins.com/)
47 Days Lawrence :)
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 01, 2010, 02:36:36 AM
A non-blinking FLEET configuration
One of the requests was to produce a FLEET light that has a number of LEDs that can last for days with 1 rechargeable AA battery. The battery may be recharged via Solar Panel or by human muscle.
Such a configuration may be achieved with a RMB50 commercial Toroid configured as a Joule Thief Transformer. The frequency was tuned to 38 Hz. The experiment was done with the DC Power Supply as power source which provided reproducible results. A rechargeable AA battery will be used to see how long the lighting can continue.
Focusing on the GEX-50 Toroid The question was â€" can the GEX-50 toroid configured as a Joule Thief lighting 12 LEDs on a AA battery last 6 hours? If so, we may be able to use solar or hand muscle to recharge the battery as the proposed reading light.
The answer â€" possible. The tuning can be on the Joule Thief side â€" a 100 microfarad capacitor was placed in parallel across a 1000 ohm variable resistor. The frequency can then be tuned. In our particular case, the Output Frequency was tuned to approximately 60 Hz.
The way we used to obtain Input Power â€" measuring the Instantaneous voltage across a One Ohm resistor to get the instantaneous current value failed to work because the value was too low. It can be seen from the graph that the idle time was too long between input pulses.
Have you tried powering your device with a low-wattage solar panel?
If the input current of your device is no more than 15 uA, then I cannot see why not.
Lawrence, i am loosing faith in you.
The images you show are impossible and they do not even come close to something that looks like resonance.
I bet you do not even know what resonance looks like on a scope!!!!!!!
It's time for the BS alert!!!
CEX-50 after 12 hours of lighting
The goal was to check whether an AA battery can supply 6 hours of reading light with the CEX-50 modified as an enhanced Joule Thief circuit.
The answer is now 100% YES.
There were shifts in Input, Output and frequency readings as expected. But the drain of the battery and the shift in resonance condition appeared to be acceptable if we only want the reading light to last for about 6 hours. We now have to check whether the AA rechargeable battery can be recharged via solar panels and/or human muscle. We know that there are already commercial solar battery chargers and crank chargers available. We shall buy some of these units.
With good engineering (not from me), the FLEET reading light will become a product. Hopefully, it will be part of the DIY kit that comes with the Book.
We can confirm success in the following steps:
LEDs to replace traditional lamps
LEDs with Joule Thief Circuits are better
LEDs with enhanced Joule Thief Circuits are even better (e.g. Tseung winding)
LEDs with enhanced Joule Thief Circuits Plus LCR tuning are the best.
I shall get a few prototypes ready for replication and loan them to interested organizations. They can improve and excel along this path. I feel like an explorer of a new continent. Yell and shout â€" “That direction or path may lead to something interesting.†There are so many possible paths. I cannot explore them all.
The CEX-50 can definitely be tuned to become an overunity device. Teams with better instruments can confirm that.
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 04, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
Lawrence, i am loosing faith in you.
The images you show are impossible and they do not even come close to something that looks like resonance.
I bet you do not even know what resonance looks like on a scope!!!!!!!
It's time for the BS alert!!!
Please yell louder. Some guy may even buy a CEX-50, configure it as a Joule Thief and reproduce the impossible results. The cost is less than RMB60 (less than US$10). The World will benefit because of your shouting and yelling.
I know what resonance looks like on a scope ;)
Apparently you don't.
And your time is running out.....
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
.... The World will benefit because of your shouting and yelling.
The world will definitely be a better place if you will only take your medication or use your misguided time to help those poor children in orphanages instead of getting involved in supposedly O.U experiments when you are certainly unqualified, despite the tons of irrelevant postings you seemed to be so proud of!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
CEX-50 after 12 hours of lighting
We now have to check whether the AA rechargeable battery can be recharged via solar panels and/or human muscle. We know that there are already commercial solar battery chargers and crank chargers available. We shall buy some of these units.
I presume a solar panel is not the same as a commercial solar charger, which is usually quite big. JT circuit is supposed to be able to function as a powerful battery charger. What's the point of using a solar charger to power another charger.
BTW, I am not an expert. But i believe your work is now up to something.
A challenge to debunkers
I now have Four CEX-50 in my bedroom. Two of them have been configured as Tseung enhanced Joule Thief circuits.
Toroid A was LCR tuned to produce lighting effects â€" one AA battery lighting 12 LEDs for more than 6 hours.
Toroid B was not LCR tuned yet.
Toroids C and D were not configured yet.
Some in this forum doubted the results and the pictures posted. The real scientists will buy the parts and replicate before yelling IMPOSSIBLE.
Unfortunately true scientists are rare in this forum. The challenge to the debunkers is simple â€" what is IMPOSSIBLE? We can have at least FOUR sets of CEX-50 to double and triple check the results.
Lead-out Energy Theory cannot be wrong. The LCR tuning on enhanced Joule Thief circuit does produce demonstrated results. See if we can make the forum more interesting with the shouts and screams from the debunkers who can post scientific arguments.
Quote from: blueplanet on September 04, 2010, 07:45:18 PM
BTW, I am not an expert. But i believe your work is now up to something.
You've got to be kidding me!
Did you even look at that waveform??
Look at the waveformIt is anything
BUT resonance!
Resonance always looks like a sine on a scope!!!Does his waveform look like a sine to you??
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2010, 07:54:48 PM
...
Lead-out Energy Theory cannot be wrong. ....
Hahaha. Of course it cannot be wrong. There is no such thing as Lead-out energy! When it's all in your mind, how can anything be wrong?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 04, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
You've got to be kidding me!
Did you even look at that waveform??
Look at the waveform
It is anything BUT resonance!
Resonance always looks like a sine on a scope!!!
Does his waveform look like a sine to you??
If the Input waveforms are NOT sine waves, you cannot expect sine waves displayed on the scope - resonance or no resonance.
Please come up with something more scientifically concrete. There is no fun nor excitement if the challenge is this weak!
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 04, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
Resonance always looks like a sine on a scope!!!
No it does not. Mismatched LCR components or too low driving power can look somewhat like distorted sine waves somewhat like his while system still does resonate.... of course power buildup is very poor in this case... Try to resonate larger toroid+Cap with your little function generator...
On the other hand - I recon he isnt fool or needs any pills.. he sounds like phsycologist of some sort... since his posts "appear" very tempting also written by using words like "involving God"... "want to help poor".... "world will benefit"... "expecting hundreds of offers" + all the power point or "good looking" pics.. in other words knows how to make his case look pretty good.
But he seems to be a cold blooded lier and thief... so desperately trying to get money with nothing in exchange...
This thread should be called: "Lawrence Thief with embedded scam" :-*
Minde
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
If the Input waveforms are NOT sine waves, you cannot expect sine waves displayed on the scope - resonance or no resonance.
Please come up with something more scientifically concrete. There is no fun nor excitement if the challenge is this weak!
You FOOL !
No matter what you put in it will
always come out
as SINE when
resonance conditions are achieved!!!!
This shows how skilled you really are because
you should know this.
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 04, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
You FOOL !
No matter what you put in it will always come out as SINE when resonance conditions are achieved!!!!
This shows how skilled you really are because you should know this.
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Feedback to Input
The interesting question is - if the Output were overunity, what would happen if we feed all or part of it back to Input.
The following is trying to answer the first part - feel all of it back to Input.
We may only need to feed part of the Output to Input. That will require some thought. It may be the adding of a variable resistor or may be some LCR tuning again. However, the much increased Input Voltage value gave encouragement.
Tseung,
It has been my experience that perfect resonance results in a sine wave even if there is a DC pulse input.
See Image below.
Xs,
Keep in mind that Stefan put this thread in the OU prize Area.
Tseung has never officially applied for any OU device.
Anywho...
It really doesn't matter if Tsueng is doing a viable project or not... you are not speaking for the forum
if you are asking the man
to stop experimenting and sharing his results.
If you think that Resonating Ferro Magnetic Transformers aren't interesting... then start a thread on it... and post often.
Do you realize that a piece of iron Magnifies the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 5,.000 times without any extra current needed???
Have you ever considered that an Acoustic Guitar is 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar (Same String ... Same Strum)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on September 05, 2010, 12:56:00 AM
Tseung,
It has been my experience that perfect resonance results in a sine wave even if there is a DC pulse input.
See Image below.
Xs,
Keep in mind that Stefan put this thread in the OU prize Area.
Tseung has never officially applied for any OU device.
Anywho...
It really doesn't matter if Tsueng is doing a viable project or not... you are not speaking for the forum
if you are asking the man
to stop experimenting and sharing his results.
If you think that Resonating Ferro Magnetic Transformers aren't interesting... then start a thread on it... and post often.
Do you realize that a piece of iron Magnifies the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 5,.000 times without any extra current needed???
Have you ever considered that an Acoustic Guitar is 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar (Same String ... Same Strum)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
Can you explain how you achieved resonance in your series of diagrams? Did you use signal generator to change the frequency or did you try LCR resonance tuning?
In your result, the resonance Vpp is about 15V. The number of turns of secondary to primary was 200/15. That was close to 15 times. Thus your system followed the classic transformer rules. In our Joule Thief/transformer circuit, the windings can be 1:1 but the Output Voltage can be > 10 Input Voltage.
An explanation of your result will be helpful.
Lawrence Tseung Does Not Even KNOW What RESONANCE IS!!!
It is obvious that he is unable to read scopeshots or have any clue what they mean or what to look for.
lolololol @ "Lawrence Thief with embedded scam"
i wonder how long it will be before tseung gets out the fishing line and small dc motor hidden under the couch cushion?
Quote from: rave154 on September 05, 2010, 03:18:39 AM
lolololol @ "Lawrence Thief with embedded scam"
i wonder how long it will be before tseung gets out the fishing line and small dc motor hidden under the couch cushion?
I don't think Tseung is a thief as such but a sadly deluded fellow whose understanding of electronics is limited but tries so hard to grab onto bits and pieces from other forum threads in order to try build some sort of 'believable' O.U story. Unfortunately there aren't too many folks buying the story line.
cheers
chrisC
JT transformer is a blocking transformer. The sinusoidal resonance that one individual was yelling about has nothing to do with the expected behavior of a true blocking transformer.
That is not the point Blueplanet.
This man talks about resonance hunting while he does not even know what it is or how it looks like on a scope.
The fact that the joule thief comes by is because this man steals others inventions to try and make it look like he has got something to do with it.
Steven mark warned us for this so beware.
Lawrence Tseung just wants our attention he has no idea what he is talking about that is why he only talks about devices made by others.
And you know what?
Lawrence Tseung is scaring other inventors.
Other inventors are affraid for people like Lawrence because these type of people try to steal their inventions.
THe result is that the true inventor won't share anything because of people like Lawrence.
Is that what you want?
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 05, 2010, 06:16:14 AM
Other inventors are affraid for people like Lawrence because these type of
people try to steal their inventions.
The point of this web site is to share and cooperate. Anyone who is afraid
that others will "steal their inventions" should go elsewhere.
Anyway, for those that can understand, much of our work has been disclosed by Tesla
a century ago.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2010, 07:54:48 PM
A challenge to debunkers
I now have Four CEX-50 in my bedroom. Two of them have been configured as Tseung enhanced Joule Thief circuits.
Toroid A was LCR tuned to produce lighting effects â€" one AA battery lighting 12 LEDs for more than 6 hours.
Toroid B was not LCR tuned yet.
Toroids C and D were not configured yet.
Some in this forum doubted the results and the pictures posted. The real scientists will buy the parts and replicate before yelling IMPOSSIBLE.
Unfortunately true scientists are rare in this forum. The challenge to the debunkers is simple â€" what is IMPOSSIBLE? We can have at least FOUR sets of CEX-50 to double and triple check the results.
Lead-out Energy Theory cannot be wrong. The LCR tuning on enhanced Joule Thief circuit does produce demonstrated results. See if we can make the forum more interesting with the shouts and screams from the debunkers who can post scientific arguments.
Lawrence:
You should check out the JT topic area where myself, and many other members have lit hundreds of LEDs for days on a single AA battery (which tested "dead") and not just 12 leds for 6 hours. This was being done a good while ago in case you have missed it. The JT circuit I was using was not even optimized for efficiency vs voltage output, was not tuned to resonance and no caps were used at all. If/when I can get the time, I know I can do way better than my previous experiments.
Bill
So now our discussion is again on harmonics. This guy may be off in left field but he has developed a model of Prime numbers and harmonics which he attends that the quad sets are very important and the first prime 1 is unique like being prime and not prime at the same time do to this strange uniqueness it's square root is considered a IRRATIONAL number. Which describes to me the hysteria that goes on each time someone stumbles upon an OU observation. Please glean what you can from his first few pages to understand the table of break down on harmonics and math. http://totalityofgod.com/articles/EVOLUTION_OF_PRIME_NUMBERS_IN_HARMONIC_CREATION.pdf
We must solve this riddle. Even if this is the only riddle we solve, because it is the multiplier and then we can ALL produce ANY amount of energy and make it over our watts input. Rosie do you have any thoughts on this quad area in primes? I know you and math are distant friends but at least your acquainted with harmonics.
Update on the 3 dollar laser test probe. The photo sensor to pick up the reflected beam is under a dollar at radio shack. Connect it to your microphone input on your sound card and use something like the free Virtual Analyser software. This lite radar probe will not de tune your circuits and is very quik to build. I think by sampling the ambient light first we can then filter it out of the final readings if it gets "noisy". URL http://lifehacker.com/292718/build-a-laser-spy-microphone-on-the-cheap
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Can you keep resonance if you only pick the spike off the 3rd the 6th and the 9th phases and reinput them? (don't do it constantly until you are ready). Also inputting a know frequency into a scope and mixing them with the unknown frequency will give you a picture very different that a normal sign wave. Can we figure out what that wave form show look like and work backwards?
Tseung,
What I did was use a signal generator that pulsed a 1 Volt Square Wave.
Then I turned up the frequency until the it matched the ring of the Transformer.
What is happening is that the Transformer is literally ringing like a bell... at this specific Frequency.
Step 1 as you have suggested is to find the Resonant Frequency of the Transformer in Question.
(The smaller the transformer the higher the frequency)
Step 2 ( I would think) would be constructing a Resonant Circuit that matches that Frequency in the Secondary.
Hope all is well.. Keep up the good work LT.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on September 05, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
Tseung,
What I did was use a signal generator that pulsed a 1 Volt Square Wave.
Then I turned up the frequency until the it matched the ring of the Transformer.
What is happening is that the Transformer is literally ringing like a bell... at this specific Frequency.
Step 1 as you have suggested is to find the Resonant Frequency of the Transformer in Question.
(The smaller the transformer the higher the frequency)
Step 2 ( I would think) would be constructing a Resonant Circuit that matches that Frequency in the Secondary.
Hope all is well.. Keep up the good work LT.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Thank you, Observer. In your case, sound (the ring) was actually involved. The appearance of sine wave was normal and expected. Much energy will be changed into sound energy. I am looking for the resonance conditions such as Stan Meyer, Gadgetmail etc. that can change the energy into heat or generate HHO gas.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 05, 2010, 03:20:24 PM
I am looking for the resonance conditions
You don't even know what that is or what it looks like HAHAHA.
Lets move along. What at the hot JT links you can post for the newer group to see that hotest JT topics just now please? I have a 10 lb coil to wrap soon. Can't we just use the LC tuning formula to determine our resonance before even designing it. Oh, why have I not even seen mention of using formulas to ballpark, [ do know at bunch of you do use them :-X]
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 05, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
You don't even know what that is or what it looks like HAHAHA.
hey XS what happened to your integrity? or is it that you never had any?
Quote from: XS-NRG on July 13, 2010, 01:14:41 PM
This shit ain't worth my time.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 05, 2010, 09:51:26 AM
Lawrence:
You should check out the JT topic area where myself, and many other members have lit hundreds of LEDs for days on a single AA battery (which tested "dead") and not just 12 leds for 6 hours. This was being done a good while ago in case you have missed it. The JT circuit I was using was not even optimized for efficiency vs voltage output, was not tuned to resonance and no caps were used at all. If/when I can get the time, I know I can do way better than my previous experiments.
Bill
Dear Bill,
Most of the researchers do not think that the JT can be turned to an overunity device. You can light up hundreds of LEDs for days with a single AA battery. Does all that energy come from the battery itself? Can some of that energy come from the surrounding (lead-out energy)?
I am interested in the JT as one of the potential pulsing sources that can bring me to "resonance" or "near resonance" conditions that provide the best environment to leading out the electron motion energy. Reed switches, signal generators etc are some other alternatives.
My theory is that the JT can be turned into an overunity device. The CEX-50 toroid configured into a JT with the frequency dropped to a few Hertz was of great interest. The COP observed as comparison of the two instantaneous power curves was much greater than 1. Early LCR tuning showed promise. My resonance hunting technique involves the high Output Instantaneous Power curve and the COP comparison.
The difficulty I went into was â€" the technique of obtaining Instantaneous Current via measuring the Instantaneous Voltage across a ONE ohm resistor did not always work. In some cases, the COP dropped back to below 1.
What are your thoughts on the Gadgetmail heater? Did it actually work? Could it be replicated? If that device were true, where did the energy come from? Is it based on the JT technology?
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 05, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Can some of that energy come from the surrounding (lead-out energy)?
try tuning your JT frequency to match that of the strongest radio station in your area...
Tseung,
To me.. the ring say's " Here I am.. Here is the Free Energy !" :O)
I'm pretty sure that's what Tesla thought as well as Stan Meyer.
Best Regards,
The Observer
hi,
i just found an mp3 of i guess what was an online radio show...featuring..guess who..yours truely..lawrence Tseung... warbling on & on about lead out....and how chinese intelligence had apprehended them at the airport etc... and then...... he offers.....for $30,000 you get a prototype of his "device"..and 5 days training on how to "tune" it.
(Good luck getting any takers on that one )
Quote from: The Observer on September 05, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Tseung,
To me.. the ring say's " Here I am.. Here is the Free Energy !" :O)
I'm pretty sure that's what Tesla thought as well as Stan Meyer.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
Thank you for your clarification. It is now clear to me that we are talking about two different types of resonances. Yours is the sound resonance. It may also be vibration resonance. You do get perfect sine waves with such resonance. You et al assumed that the ringing tone indicates Free Energy.
What I am looking for is the decrease of Input Power or increase in Output Power (or both) that can be observed on the oscilloscope when we vary the various parameters. These parameters include but not limited to:
1. Pulsing source â€" frequency, amplitude, idle time
2. LCR circuits in various places
3. Toroid construction â€" Material, size, winding techniques
4. Physical construction â€" wire connections, type of inductors, capacitors and resistors
5. Controlling mechanisms â€" variable LCR, feedback technique etc.
We have already demonstrated such effects on our oscilloscopes. The question is â€" how large an increase in Output Power can we achieve? Can we readily reproduce the result?
We can readily reproduce the result if we use the DC Power Supply instead of the AA battery. We can now reduce the Input Power if we lower the frequency. We hit on and recorded Peak-to-Peak Output Power of 50 watts. That result was achieved with AA battery and we had difficulty in reproducing the same result. We believe that was due to the property of resonance â€" a few hertz difference will change the output amplitude significantly.
So now I think we can lay the question of resonance to rest.
I shall rephrase my type of resonance as “lead-out energy resonanceâ€. Hopefully, that will reduce the confusion and misunderstanding.
oh gawd.....now hes jumped on & is in the process of plaigerising the very concept of "resonance" by calling it.... lead out resonance.....on & on it goes ( and still no mention of watts IN....& watts OUT )
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html
The above article describes my understanding of "lead-out energy resonance". NOT sound or vibrational resonance.
Quote from: rave154 on September 05, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
oh gawd.....now hes jumped on & is in the process of plaigerising the very concept of "resonance" by calling it.... lead out resonance.....on & on it goes ( and still no mention of watts IN....& watts OUT )
Hahaha. Told you so! This dog just needs a whiff of a (resonance) scent and off he goes to plagiarize every available methods to equate it to 'Tseung lead-out ' energy. What a stupid dog! And all these Tseung supporters are boosting his ego.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Hope on September 05, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
Lets move along. What at the hot JT links you can post for the newer group to see that hotest JT topics just now please? I have a 10 lb coil to wrap soon. Can't we just use the LC tuning formula to determine our resonance before even designing it. Oh, why have I not even seen mention of using formulas to ballpark, [ do know at bunch of you do use them :-X ]
You can use all of the formulas you want but, as the AA battery declines in voltage all your numbers will go out the window. So, if your battery starts off with 1.5 volts (a new battery) and you have designed the circuit to be in resonance, when it drops down to say 1.3 volts you will no longer be in resonance. This is why I normally use a VR so I can re-tune it as the battery voltage drops. Someone could probably design an auto tuning circuit to get around this but, it would have to be someone with more knowledge than me.
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on September 05, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
And all these Tseung supporters are boosting his ego.
cheers
chrisC
There appears to be only one - The Observer.
He is either friend of his or works with him or whatever. How could someone support scam? Only if one is part of it..
So what happen with 50W output? Degraded to 12 LEDs now? wtf.... ( I am not mentioning 1KW wet dreams...)
This whole thing is just a joke...
Minde
Quote from: rave154 on September 05, 2010, 05:36:48 PM
hi,
i just found an mp3 of i guess what was an online radio show...featuring..guess who..yours truely..lawrence Tseung... warbling on & on about lead out....and how chinese intelligence had apprehended them at the airport etc... and then...... he offers.....for $30,000 you get a prototype of his "device"..and 5 days training on how to "tune" it.
(Good luck getting any takers on that one )
Hahaha. This is so funny. You think Chinese intelligence has nothing better to do? There are a lot of good authentic Chinese restaurants they can pigg out instead of chasing after a third rate deluded personality (well at least one of them)!
cheers
chrisC
Building the first FLEET product
One of the teams showed me the above device that was already available on the Hong Kong Tourist Market. The plan was to improve it to light up 12 LEDs or more for 6 hours continuously with FLEET technology. Bill et al have already achieved that. I think the Hong Kong team is not too far behind. That tiny battery can be recharged by placing the device under the Sun for about 3 hours (from the retailer).
If the charging time is 3 hours and the lighting time is 6 hours, we have a clear winner! I hope this will be one of the first FLEET units.
*** The unit was NOT built nor manufactured nor marketed by me. They might have read the information in this forum or attended one of my seminars or shows. ***
I wonder who's next on Tseungs list to plaigerise?
Einstein perhaps with the "Special Lead out Relativity theory" ?
since we did einstein..might as well desecrate Newton as well with the ...
"Lead Out Electron Mathematica Theory" ?
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 06, 2010, 04:47:33 AM
Building the first FLEET product
....
If the charging time is 3 hours and the lighting time is 6 hours, we have a clear winner! ...
*** The unit was NOT built nor manufactured nor marketed by me. They might have read the information in this forum or attended one of my seminars or shows. ***
Er, No. You'e the loser and you copied their 'toy' idea! Bill already told you your stuff is so primitive; his JT experiments far exceed what your little 12 LED flashlight is able to produce.
What are you selling? I still don't get it.
cheers
chrisC
The US$1.5 solar recharged LED
I turned the device on all night in a dark room. The three LEDs went dim but still showed light. It was obvious that the battery was drained to a low level. That was over 12 hours continuous lighting.
This morning, I put the device at the window under bright sunlight for 3 hours as suggested by the retailer. Sure enough, the LEDs were bright again. There was no noticeable degrading.
Bill et al have managed to light hundreds of LEDs for days with one AA battery. Our engineers should be able to light 12 LEDs for 6 hours on the Solar recharged LED device. I am now confident that even if the lighting "shifted the lead-out energy resonance condition" somewhat, we should be able to correct the condition with the solar panel recharging.
I know for sure that the standard JT with frequency at over 100,000 Hz could last for days. If the frequency were reduced to 100 Hz, the energy consumed should be lowered by 1,000 times. The one second flashing JT is still flashing in my bedroom. It might continue doing that past my dying day.
The lighting or electricity supply Industry may undergo a revolution with the LED technology. The steps may be:.
1. LEDs to replace traditional lamps
2. LEDs will have Joule Thief Circuits
3. LEDs will have enhanced windings on the JT circuit.
4. LEDs will have enhanced JT windings tuned to lead-out energy resonance
5. LEDs system will not drain energy from the grid but will supply energy back to the grid! The energy is the lead-out energy from the environment (electron motion energy).
Engineers can start working on steps 1-4 now. The basic components are here. Poor Countries with good sunlight will never need to work in the dark ever again. This is even before we master the 1KW FLEET generator! Is God working miracles again???
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 06, 2010, 10:55:35 PM
The US$1.5 solar recharged LED
...
OK, let's recap:
20KW Lead Out Generator - promised, still working on it. Needs 'investment'
5 KW Lead Out Generator - easier to build, less investment needed, coming...
1 KW lead Out Generator - will be available soon, teams are working on it, coming ...
50 W Lead Out Generator - Still working on it, should be a piece of cake ...
...
Solar powered LED - Finally success! But look
http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Powered-LED-Keychain/dp/B001T3UFJ8/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1283830036&sr=8-32
Sorry, Tseung, you're too late!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 06, 2010, 11:29:27 PM
... Solar powered LED - Finally success! But look
http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Powered-LED-Keychain/dp/B001T3UFJ8/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1283830036&sr=8-32
What's its curent draw, chrisC, you prat?
Quote from: Paul-R on September 07, 2010, 08:11:19 AM
What's its curent draw, chrisC, you prat?
Paul-R:
Your British colloquialism is just about as good as your one liner understanding of electronics in boosting old Tseung's ego.
The point is, current is meaningless if you're using solar to support high efficiency LEDs! You're the ASSHOLE!
cheers
chrisC
Working session on Sep 7 with Inventor Q
Inventor Q: “Please do not show my name or picture on the Internet. I do not mind sharing my knowledge but I do not want to get the insults.â€
Tseung: “I shall call you Inventor Q. What do you think of the solar charged LED and the CEX-50 combination?â€
Inventor Q: “I did not expect the solar charged LED to have such a cheap selling price. I shall take it apart and examine it more. The fact that it can recharge a drained battery that fast is encouraging. Three hours of sunlight is acceptable to me.â€
Tseung: “You have turned the CEX-50 toroid into an enhanced Joule Thief. You have also seen its Input and Output curves on the Oscilloscopes. What are your comments?â€
Inventor Q: “I wish I have two Oscilloscopes in my home. The 1.4V AA battery input dropped to 800mVpp on the oscilloscope. That was the first surprise to me. But when I examined the waveform, it made sense. The frequency was about 48 Hz. The shape was not a sine or a square wave. There was idle time between the pulses. There was 300mApp (300mVpp across a one ohm resistor). The approximate Input Power = 0.24watts peak-to-peak. The Output Vpp was over 100V with no load and still showed a strong 42V with an LED, a 22 ohm variable resistor and a 10 ohm resistor as load. The effective peak-to-peak output current was 80mApp (800mVpp across a ten ohm resistor). The estimated output power peak-to-peak = 3.36watts. (42x0.08) This yielded a COP of 14. I would like to play with it more.â€
Tseung: “I have four CEX-50. I am giving one to you. It is labeled C. You can tell me the result of your tuning. You can also help me to purchase the variable Capacitors and Inductors since you are more familiar with these components in both Hong Kong and Shenzhen.â€
Inventor Q: “I do not mind that. I talked to a potential investor and have put a signal generator, two oscilloscopes and the “Computer Oscilloscope and Data Logger†on the shopping list.â€
Tseung: “Do you think the mini-workshop and the playing with the oscilloscope is helpful? If hundreds of University Students understand the setup and play with them, do you think that we could hit on the lead-out energy resonance condition in a short time?
Inventor Q: “Certainly. I have seen your shaky hands and the poor eyesight. You should not be doing the experiments yourself. The basic theory and technique is not all that difficult. I mastered it in a couple of hours. I am sure that the bright students in the Hong Kong Universities would have no problem.â€
Tseung: “I hope your investor will allow you to share your results to benefit the World.â€
Investor Q: “The debunkers do not have the two oscilloscopes. They do not have the electronic components. Yet they attack you as if they were the experts. I do not want to be subjected to such abuse. My investor is unlikely to allow me to share valuable results obtained with hard cash and efforts. He actually said that you were probably the only one doing that. He would invest in me (your student) rather than in you.â€
Tseung: “Thank you for omitting the comment â€" Tseung is a fool who does not know the value of his research. I shall repeat again. I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. The information is disclosed to benefit the World. Anyone can replicate and improve them.â€
well there ya have it folks......lets all replicate & improve......with time & effort & patience...maybe we can improve it from lighting 6 LEDS to 12 and claim it as a 200% success rate for lead out energy theory.....oh wait...i think someone already did that
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 07, 2010, 04:42:41 PM
... I shall repeat again. I am not the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. ..â€
It would be against the Almighty's own principles to use untruthful people to accomplish his deeds. Btw, here's a bible verse you may find helpful the next time you decide to use the Almighty's name to foster your own interest.
"You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name." - Exodus 20:7
cheers
chrisC
CEX-50 on Sep 8
Inventor Q has taken CEX-50 C to do his own testing. I then focused back on CEX-50 A. The question is: how many LEDs can the device light up with one AA battery? Each strip has 12 LEDs. I shall purchase 10 strips or 120 LEDs. I have a gut feel that 60 LEDs will not post a problem.
I know that 1 strip can be lighted for over 6 hours. Can 5 or 10 strips be lighted up for that time?
How much more tuning do I need? I am waiting for the variable capacitors and/or inductors. My gut feel is that the CEX-50 may be a good choice to light up an “infinite†number of LEDs. The energy is NOT from the AA battery. The energy is the lead-out electron motion energy.
Inventor Q is working on using the solar panel recharging technique. Can the key chain device light up 60 or 120 LEDs for 6 continuous hours? Are we too late with such a powerful product? If we can use one AA battery to light up all the billion LEDs of the World, would that be a miracle?
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 07, 2010, 10:05:10 PM
CEX-50 on Sep 8
...My gut feel is that the CEX-50 may be a good choice to light up an “infinite†number of LEDs. The energy is NOT from the AA battery. The energy is the lead-out electron motion energy.
...
My gut feeling is you are delusionally wrong!
Well, common sense would have told you that if the AA battery is NOT providing the energy, you can simply remove it and see if your LEDs will light by themselves; (you may have to whisper Abracadabra several times before the magic takes effect).
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 07, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
My gut feeling is you are delusionally wrong!
Well, common sense would have told you that if the AA battery is NOT providing the energy, you can simply remove it and see if your LEDs will light by themselves; (you may have to whisper Abracadabra several times before the magic takes effect).
cheers
chrisC
Instead of abracadabra, it should be "Forever" the most beautiful name in the entire world.
Bill
Quote from: chrisC on September 07, 2010, 10:58:18 AM
The point is, current is meaningless if you're using solar to support high efficiency LEDs! You're the ASSHOLE!
Paul was right. A typical commercial solar charger normally needs a few hours to charge up a condensor-like element before it can do some useful work. The reason is because the current of the actual solar panel inside the charger is too small --- typically in the order of 10 microamps. The idea is to get rid of the charging phase so that the device can readily do work whenever it is subject to sun exposure.
By the way, what is your major in high school (or in university)? And what is the main purpose of your focusing on this thread? The reason I asked you this question is because none of your messagess are technically related.
Quote from: blueplanet on September 08, 2010, 02:16:22 AM
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By the way, what is your major in high school (or in university)? And what is the main purpose of your focusing on this thread? The reason I ask you this question is because none of your messagess are technically related.
Well, now that you asked, I will answer your question. Like most degreed people, I did a bachelors in Electronic Engineering, did a Masters degree in Microelectronics, worked in the semiconductor industry as a design engineer for 15 years, taught myself software and founded a internet company, granted 4 patents and eight more pending, licensed my inventions for 7 figures to $B companies and have some spare time to enjoy the comedy channel. What else do you need to know? One doesn't need to get too technical; it's the common sense that is so lacking in this thread (plus the plentiful delusions).
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 02:25:29 AM
Well, now that you asked, I will answer your question. Like most degreed people, I did a bachelors in Electronic Engineering, did a Masters degree in Microelectronics, worked in the semiconductor industry as a design engineer for 15 years, taught myself software and founded a internet company, granted 4 patents and eight more pending, licensed my inventions for 7 figures to $B companies and have some spare time to enjoy the comedy channel. What else do you need to know? One doesn't need to get too technical; it's the common sense that is so lacking in this thread (plus the plentiful delusions).
cheers
chrisC
and somehow he doesn't even know how a web spider works... he doesn't own a soldering iron... etc. as evidenced by his own words in the ltseung lead out thread. ad infintum, ad nauseam...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 02:28:14 AM
and somehow he doesn't even know how a web spider works... he doesn't own a soldering iron... etc. as evidenced by his own words in the ltseung lead out thread. ad infintum, ad nauseam...
Well, Wilby, there are many things in life you will never understand and never achieve. We really don't have too many things in common. Are you still living between the railway tracks? Just checking.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 02:31:32 AM
Well, Wilby, there are many things in life you will never understand and never achieve. We really don't have too many things in common. Are you still living between the railway tracks? Just checking.
cheers
chrisC
i have never lived between railroad tracks... ::)
are you referring to that googlemap pic that ben waballs posted long ago? LMFAO guy, open your eyes and learn how to interpret a map. that was an interstate, I94... the nearest railway tracks are over 25 blocks away.
did you get a soldering iron yet? or learn how a web spider works? just checking.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 02:34:29 AM
i have never lived between railroad tracks... ::)
are you referring to that googlemap pic that ben waballs posted long ago? LMFAO guy, open your eyes and learn how to interpret a map. that was an interstate, I94... the nearest railway tracks are over 25 blocks away.
did you get a soldering iron yet? or learn how a web spider works? just checking.
25 blocks is what I refer to a 'low' class neighborhood. Thank you for making that clear.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 02:37:31 AM
25 blocks is what I refer to a 'low' class neighborhood. Thank you for making that clear.
cheers
chrisC
the only thing i made clear is that the tracks are over 2 miles away... they run east/west parallel to main st.
i am over 2 miles south of that, nowhere near a railroad track. you can assume what you wish. ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 02:41:06 AM
the only thing i made clear is that the tracks are over 2 miles away... they run east/west parallel to main st.
i am over 2 miles south of that, nowhere near a railroad track. you can assume what you wish. ::)
Never mind. It is apparent you're not a smart person. Over and Out.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 02:25:29 AM
What else do you need to know? One doesn't need to get too technical; it's the common sense that is so lacking in this thread (plus the plentiful delusions).
cheers
chrisC
Mr C, I am afraid I have to disagree with you. Renewable energy is a highly technical topic which is not normally taught in any master or bachelor courses. Common sense is simply not enough, although it is important. We need a lot of inspiration. But inspiration is not same as perspiration, which is usually the only prerequisite for a master or bachelor degree.
Quote from: blueplanet on September 08, 2010, 03:19:50 AM
Mr C, I am afraid I have to disagree with you. Renewable energy is a highly technical topic which is not normally taught in any master or bachelor courses. Common sense is simply not enough, although it is important. We need a lot of inspiration. But inspiration is not same as perspiration, which is usually the only prerequisite for a master or bachelor degree.
Mr. Blueplanet:
Well, we've to agree to disagree. Inspiration is important and as a manager, we need to inspire people to perform their best. But in this thread, there is NO inspiration - what this deluded gentleman is doing has a long history. See the other 400 plus pages of his other humongous delusion, if you care to follow. I have said many times, this thread is a comedy show.
You can look at other threads where people argue whether the effect of running a small motor for 70 days or more is galvanic action or some special energy from somewhere else. Now that thread is much more interesting and you should check it out. If you want to learn something, stay away from comedy show. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
The Controlled Feedback
I decided to try the simple variable resistor controlled feedback on the CEX-50 device. The circuit was shown in the diagram. To my delight, the set up was successful.
I shall get this configuration verified by multiple parties. It also confirms that our tuned, enhanced JT could light up many (24 at present) LEDs for a long time without draining the battery very much. Energy must be coming from the outside. I use the term lead-out energy (from electron motion).
@Bill, I believe I can now match any number of LEDs you can light with one AA battery. The secret or the magic is out.
It is NOT my invention. It is a miracle from the Almighty. You all are welcome to replicate and improve.
Lawrence:
Here is a song by the Beach Boys called "Forever". Please show her this link in case she has not heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHVUf_Dosw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHVUf_Dosw&feature=related)
Thank you,
Bill
Hey Chris, You seem to only offer negative comments. Do you just troll all the topics for ideas you can patten? Maybe your reasons for your comments are not as honorable as you want us to believe. Where are your designs, your ideas?? We ALL want to know. Or is your forte just attacking experimenters from afar. Because it is obvious to us your just a lame troll that thinks he is GOD of destroying hopes and dreams. Create something for us to discuss. Something that you don't want to "INCREASE" your pocket book with. We bet there is NONE! Your remind me of a guy who we met while doing a girlscout can food drive. When we ask him if he could contribute any thing (he had HUGE new home and new truck and new car and boat and pool and and and....no soul.
He said "Let those hungry people find jobs, I did!" and slammed his door. Your are doing this same thing to people bearing their souls to us here. Offering all they can, then being made to feel disrespected. My summation of you is : All alone, bitter, resentful, negative and a moral failure. All you have is fleeting, worldly goods I feel sorry for you. AND I WILL NOT WASTE ANYONE ELSES time replying to your tollisms any longer. No matter what Tesung is at least trying to build for mankind. You only destroy....change yourself before it is to late.
Quote from: Hope on September 08, 2010, 12:21:32 PM
Hey Chris, You seem to only offer negative comments. Do you just troll all the topics for ideas you can patten? Maybe your reasons for your comments are not as honorable as you want us to believe. Where are your designs, your ideas?? We ALL want to know. Or is your forte just attacking experimenters from afar. Because it is obvious to us your just a lame troll that thinks he is GOD of destroying hopes and dreams. Create something for us to discuss. Something that you don't want to "INCREASE" your pocket book with. We bet there is NONE! Your remind me of a guy who we met while doing a girlscout can food drive. When we ask him if he could contribute any thing (he had HUGE new home and new truck and new car and boat and pool and and and....no soul.
He said "Let those hungry people find jobs, I did!" and slammed his door. Your are doing this same thing to people bearing their souls to us here. Offering all they can, then being made to feel disrespected. My summation of you is : All alone, bitter, resentful, negative and a moral failure. All you have is fleeting, worldly goods I feel sorry for you. AND I WILL NOT WASTE ANYONE ELSES time replying to your tollisms any longer. No matter what Tesung is at least trying to build for mankind. You only destroy....change yourself before it is to late.
Hey Mr. Hope. You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that. But I have to tell you something; I did not join this forum to try destroy, discourage or belittle others nor to show 'superiority'. I merely echoed my credentials when asked so people know I have some technical ability to makes certain assumptions. If it came across otherwise I apologize. It is only in this thread where a certain clown tries to equate everything that seemed O.U as 'Lead-Out' energy; much of this mumbo jumbo is based on his own lack of electronics understanding - just like his lack of Physics understanding in the other abandoned thread. Go to Bill's thread (Pirate & JT) and you will see plenty of examples of what has been already done of which Tseung is picking bits and pieces from and announcing his own 'discovery'; even throwing in references to TPU research etc. (He has a long way to go to catch up with Otto).
If you really want to learn real promising energy developments, search the web for battery technologies, cold fusion, bloom boxes etc; of course most people won't understand much beyond the news reports but keep on learning but not deluding oneself.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/17/60minutes/main4952167.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6816773n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
In due course I may be able to share some of my own experiments but time is a real constraint as I have other patents to explore & file. (btw, the word is 'patent' and not 'patten'. Patten is wooden footwear, just you know). Also, contrary to your belief, I give plenty to disadvantaged people, just you know too. No, I don't have a fancy house or boat but I do have a fast sports car!
Yes, Tseung is 'experimenting' to share that the world may 'benefit'. Well, nothing wrong with that. I supposed you don't have a problem with a blind (& delusional) mouse leading a bunch of mice to the edge of the cliff and promising O.U a step beyond? But I do.
So, we'll leave it at that. Have a good evening.
cheers
chrisC
Hey Hope,
I have posted similar comments pertaining to ChrisC in previous posts.
I have noticed that the only thing Chris is concerned with is Mr. Tseung.
Every Post... Save a few from the early days of Chris's career at OU have been attacks on LT.
Mr. Tseung is a very optimistic Dude and does make some very optimistic Claims at times...
But by no means has he overstepped the bounds of decency to deserve the all attacks. ( 1 per week would be OK ;o)~ )
Especially since he is doing experiments and sharing the results !
Now Chris could be Disruptive Type hired by the Greedy Elite...
if that is so, then I see any attempt at quelling his behavior as futile.
He has asked my real name a few times... that is kind of suspicious, don't you think?
Anyways...
I don't even get pissed anymore at his posts...
he has been a leach on Tsueng's side for years apparently.
Why is he so obsessed? I can't say...
Perhaps it's because LT has ignored every single attack Chis has ever launched.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@HOPE + THE OBSERVER
You guys are RIDICULOUS!
Are you dumb or just foolish or what else is wrong with you that you cannot see here that your "Mr Tseung" is running a scam here?????
Noone is trying to discourage nothing here but personally - I AM alergic to SCAM!
If you got nothing and you claim something + you keep asking for money ... thats a S.C.A.M. + hurts others - do you understand that much or you just talking crap here out of the blue?
BTW I have his 3 layer bifilar 6.25" toroid + multiple variable caps + variable resistors, two scopes and all kind of other stuff - and there is no way I could get 5W out. I am not even talking about 50W out like HE CLAIMED! What does this tell you? Or you just gonna ingore this like you ignore the rest of claims vs proof?
It seems your tseung ran into some sort of financial trouble and does not give a f... what kind of scam he would run - as long as there is a chance to fool someone and make some cash.. and you go ahead support that.
Minde
Minde...
If LT had scammed so many people... don't you think at least 1 of them would said something here ?
You and Chris aren't the most streetwise fellas around the block. (as much as you would like to think it)
Yes... LT makes some interesting claims.. but by no means is he a leader as you and Chris think.
I guess he leads you... but that's your problem.
If you were so concerned about false claims...
I Challenge you figure out Cletus Howell's
369 2 Power Tesla Earthquake Machine
that has smashed lots !!!
Or any other of the OL (overlimit) on the voltmeter bull he is claiming.
You got a guy posting BS 10-15 times a day... clogging up the forum
and you're concerned about LT fooling around with a Joule Thief.
Making 1 post per day in his own thread.
HOLY SH_T ... Thank God you don't have to pee your pants more than once per day !
When you realize that a common speaker is an OU device as well as an Acoustic Guitar...
you will support anyone who plays with Resonating Transformers...
even the Insignificant and Slightly Wacky Lawrence Tseung.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@The Observer
Why you keep refering to other scam.. what for? I have seen that before.. : Thane C heins, water4fuel, fuellesspower and etc...
I dont post here a lot. I just read and follow. But if someone is trying to gain from others by using false claims and I will run into that - I will chip in.
"you will support anyone who plays with Resonating Transformers..." - support reasearch VS support scam - two VERY different things.
This statement of yours confirms that you are supporting LT ONLY because he is playing with resonance - not because his statements and claims are right.. I just mentioned you are posting out of the blue...didnt I?
Thanks for confirmation.
I do agree about acoustic guitar and resonant transformers as to be a path to OU - but this thread is not one of them unfortunately. This thread is attempt to gain monetary values by introducing false statements + using All Mighty + Poor people + false promises of worldwide benefit - this guy seems to be especially cheeky - just gets me right there man.
Out of the topic: it is sad to watch people building all kind TPUs and other stuff - of wich noone of them seem to understand how it works - they try to achieve OU via trial and error. What happen with Stan Meyer? I had happen to see only one on youtube very nicely build VIC replication with perfect looking step up waves and device itself... its all gone. And now - dudes build Lawton PWM throw a SS pipe or two in and call it Meyer VIC replication. How ridiculous is that? Geez...
Myself I might go back to tesla basics.. also very interested in Meyers VIC of wich working principles are more or less obvious to me already (at least I hope so).
Sorry for off topic post and pics here.
Regards Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on September 08, 2010, 04:15:33 PM
BTW I have his 3 layer bifilar 6.25" toroid + multiple variable caps + variable resistors, two scopes and all kind of other stuff - and there is no way I could get 5W out. I am not even talking about 50W out like HE CLAIMED! What does this tell you? Or you just gonna ingore this like you ignore the rest of claims vs proof?
Minde
Dear minde4000,
You have all the basic equipment. Then do the following:
1. Measure the Input Voltage across the AA battery when the circuit is running. Confirm that the Vpp and Vrms is much less than the 1.5V of a normal fully charged AA battery.
2. Show the Output Voltage across the secondary transformer output. Measure the Output Voltage with no load. With a properly wound 6.25†toroid, you should get at least 50Vpp.
3. Make sure that your Joule Thief circuit is properly done. Place a small capacitor across a 1000 ohm variable resistor used in your Joule Thief Circuit. Change the value of that variable resistor. You should see changes in both the Input and Output Vpp voltages.
4. Then put an one ohm resistor in the negative end of your battery. Use Channel 2 of your First Oscilloscope to measure instantaneous Input voltage across it. That will give you the instantaneous current (V=IR). Use Channel 1 of your First Oscilloscope to measure the instantaneous Input Voltage across the battery. You have to be careful when you use both Channel 1 and Channel 2 as most oscilloscopes have common ground.
5. Put a load across your output. I recommend an LED connected to a variable resistor of 100 ohms and a fixed one ohm resistor. (If your oscilloscope is not sensitive enough, you may try a 10 ohm fixed resistor and do the mathematics.)
6. In most oscilloscopes, they have the channel 1 multiplied by channel 2 function. That provides the instantaneous power. Try to show that curve only (by changing the dimming function on my scope). The first oscilloscope shows the Instantaneous Input Power. The Second oscilloscope shows the instantaneous Output Power. These two curves show the comparison.
7. If you just want a rough watts figure, you can use the Channel 1 Vpp values and multiply it by the Channel 2 Vpp value. That yields an “estimate peak-to-peak†power value in watts.
8. By tuning the variable resistors, you should get an Input Power peak-to-peak in the 0.XX watt range. The Output Power peak-to-peak in the X-XX watt range.
9. You can get a much more accurate watts and energy figure using the integration of the area under the power curve mathematical function.
10. You may also use a data logger to record all readings.
If all fails, come to Hong Kong to attend one of the mini-workshops. We shall be running them regularly to train up hundreds of University Students. They are free. Some of the Students are now ready to run their own workshops to fellow students.
Show your oscilloscope set up and shots. We may be able to remotely debug the problems for you.
Quote from: The Observer on September 08, 2010, 05:35:03 PM
.... but by no means is he a leader as you and Chris think.
If you were so concerned about false claims...
I Challenge you figure out Cletus Howell's
369 2 ...
Best Regards,
The Observer
@Observer
Please do not put words in our mouths about Tseung being a leader. If you are indeed observing, a leader does not get pissed upon every time he clowns around with the final intent of getting $ off less astute people. Remember the roach MyLOW? How many people went out and spent $50 - $100 or more on magnets to try reproduce the fishing line effect?
About Cletus & his many claims, I have already said I don't have time to research other clowns. One clown is one clown too many. I have a life.
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
You said last page...
QuoteI supposed you don't have a problem with a blind (& delusional) mouse leading a bunch of mice
This is where you say that Tseung is leader...
I say you are wrong...
He is independently experimenting
and I know of not 1 person here replicating his experiments.
(yes.. alot has been done, and at best Tsueng is learning as goes... oh well... sorry it bothers you)
Come on Chris... what do you think of Cletus? Genuine or Fake?
I think you're gunna need to read a max of 2 posts to conclude.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 07:02:07 PM
Please do not put words in our mouths about Tseung being a leader.
OUR mouths? you got a friend up there in your head? or a turd in your pocket?
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 07:02:07 PM
I have a life.
a life that revolves around waiting for tseung to make a post so you can make a completely irrelevant, immature reply.
@observer, not sure why you care about the opinion of someone who has lied about their credentials and has demonstrated as little as chrisc... but whatever. he won't 'switch' from ltseung to cletus, as he noted, he only has time for one obsession.
Significance of the Controlled Feedback Experiment
A telephone conversation with Mr. T who does not want the insults.
Mr. T: “Your feedback mechanism is via the variable resistor. By changing its value, you sent a different amount of feedback voltage/current to the Input. It is far too simple.â€
Tseung: “It worked. When I used the DC Power Supply as source, I could lower the supplied power to almost zero. The Output LED still lighted brightly for hours. With proper tuning, I may be able to cut off the power supply totally. I may need some supercap or similar to achieve that.â€
Mr. T: “You achieved good feedback by sending a tiny voltage or current back. Are you sure the effective ohm was 65 out of 1000. That implies sending only 6.5% back. You have 93.5% to use for other things.â€
Tseung: “That is what the instrument showed. The result was reproducible.â€
Mr. T: “If the feedback mechanism is this simple, you should increase the power endurance of your electronic components to achieve the 1 KW goal. However, you have to be careful not to get electric shock or worse. The secret of the Steven Mark TPU is not totally out yet. I hate to lose you at this stage.â€
Tseung: “Thank you for the warning. I shall seek the help of engineers and researchers experienced in high voltage electronics. The success of the simple controlled feedback mechanism gave me much comfort. I can take my time and train up hundreds of students.â€
Mr. T: “Why did Minde4000 failed to replicate your results?â€
Tseung: “Success is easy to explain. There are limited ways or correct paths to success. It is like writing a computer program. Even if you have one bug, the program will fail. There is too little information at present from Minde4000. However, I shall ask every student to display their working FLEET from the mini-workshps. Some Students may even want their pictures and contact information shown. There will then be hundreds of confirmations.â€
Mr. T: “It is a matter of credibility. You have the advantage of the two oscilloscopes and plenty of students to replicate the results. None of the debuggers ever showed their equipment or details of their replication attempts. Now when you use the DC Power Supply, the results are reproducible. The debuggers will only show their stupidity and ignorance in the face of massive experimental results.â€
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 08:15:01 PM
... why you care about the opinion of someone who has lied about their credentials ... ...
I say no more, you are NOT of my class (as in society, in case you misunderstood).
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 08, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
I say no more, you are NOT of my class (as in society, in case you misunderstood).
cheers
chrisC
i wasn't talking to you... ::)
Lighting over 100 LEDs with one AA battery
As expected, I first tried lighting up 60 LEDs. That was successful.
Then I tried lighting all the LEDs I purchased (1 Box). One of the strips was not working. Thus I lighted up 12x9 = 108 LEDs. That was successful.
I can now match whatever number of LEDs Bill et al can light up. The energy comes from the Lead-Out electron motion energy of the surrounding. That is theoretically infinite. We need to do some lead-out energy resonance tuning (not sound or vibration resonance tuning).
I shall put the same picture in the Joule Thief thread and see the comments.
Has any one played with this concept?
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 09, 2010, 05:36:18 AM
Has any one played with this concept?
Gary over on the JT topic has linked a whole bunch of toroids together to make one large JT circuit.
Now, as far as feeding JT 2 from JT 1, etc. I do not believe that will work unless you rectify the output as the primary would need dc input and not the pulsed dc or ac output from JT #1. But, as they say, why not try it?
Bill
LT,
My version of a Double Joule Thief...
Of course this is without a Secondary being used.
With a Secondary there would be an AC Type Pulse which means a Voltage Doubler
may be the most efficient way to capture the energy.. 2 Caps and 2 diodes I believe.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Multi-layer JT
Thank you to both of you, Bill and Observer. This confirms my concept of the FLEET acting as a match. The energy stored in a single JT (the AA battery) is tiny. However, it could lead-out electron motion energy from the surrounding. A match can theoretically ignite a whole forest. A suitably configured JT could lead-out energy for a whole City.
Let me recap on the steps for the lighting industry:
1. LEDs to replace traditional lamps
2. LEDs with Joule Thief for higher efficiency
3. LEDs with enhanced winding Joule Thief and lead-out energy resonance for higher efficiency
4. Add Loopback to 3 and achieve the self-run with lead-out energy
5. Use the Output from one Joule Thief as Input to other Joule Thief circuits.
We have already demonstrated overunity with two oscilloscopes. We are on our way to demonstrating lighting hundreds or thousands of LEDs with 1 AA battery or a tiny solar panel. The chance of our lighting our Christmas Tree with LEDs via a single AA battery this December is excellent.
It cannot be the brainchild of a retired old man with shaky hands and poor eyesight. It is the miracle from the Almighty. With His blessing, the 1 KW FLEET electricity generator may be revealed to the World â€" with or without investors. FLEET as a match concept is now confirmed.
@Bill and Observer, your inputs are very, very valuable. Bill, what is your opinion on the Gadgetmail device? Observer, please continue your research on the double Joule Thief. That single match may be able to light up many other matches.
LT,
Pirate, of course, had done the 100's of Christmas lights 3 years ago or so I guess.
However.. I don't think anyone has done this with resonating a Transformer...
as opposed to using the crashing magnetic field and a High Voltage winding.
I used a simple oscillator circuit (not Blocking Joule Thief) to light 3V LED with 1.5 V Battery.
I used a step down audio transformer.
At resonance, when the transformer actually is ringing, is when the LED lights up...
on the secondary.
That is the step down part of the transformer ( producing 3 V spikes)....not step up, which is quite amazing.
Long time later (after I got O - scope)... I found 80 V spikes on the front side which I used to burn out LEDs on my E- set.
Anyways... Cudos to Pirate on the Christmas lights using Joule Thief.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Updated Course Content for the Mini-Workshop
1. Theory of Lead-Out Energy
2. Examining the results of the Two Oscilloscope Experiment
3. Checking the results of the GEX-50 toroid set-up including feedback
4. Confirming overunity via the Two Oscilloscope Experiment and taking photos
5. Building a simple Joule Thief
6. Adding another transformer winding to turn the simple Joule Thief into an enhanced Joule Thief
7. Configuring a GEX-50 into an enhanced Joule Thief
8. Checking the increase in Output Voltage with a simple multi-meter
9. Doing the complete Two Oscilloscope Experiment on 7
10. Tuning the set up at 9. Trying to get the best COP and the largest Output Power
11. Demonstrate your set-up to other teams. Use Data Logger to record the results.
12. Discussion session
13. Post the results and comments on Internet to benefit the World
The mini-workshop will be run several times before professional videotaping. The set-up and videos will be shown at the Inno Design Tech Expo 2010 in December 2-4 at the Hong Kong Convention Center. Over 100,000 visitors are expected. Hopefully, some Univerities or Research Organizations will further improve it.
God bless you @tseung
Quote from: The Observer on September 09, 2010, 12:10:47 PM
LT,
My version of a Double Joule Thief...
Of course this is without a Secondary being used.
With a Secondary there would be an AC Type Pulse which means a Voltage Doubler
may be the most efficient way to capture the energy.. 2 Caps and 2 diodes I believe.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
Could you please show a picture of the toroid you used. Add comments if appropriate. One of my teams want to try to replicate and improve it.
Thank you.
LT...
It was not a toroid...
It was a basic Audio transformer with 3 hook-ups in the primary... and 2 in the secondary.
The secondary is what gets hooked to the speaker usually.
When this rings... it bursts with energy.. as does any transformer.
3 Volt pulses on stepped down secondary... 80 volt pulses across 3 hook-ups on Primary !
I assume toroids even work better.
I want to study a doorbell transformer bought at the local hardware store.
Steps would be...
1. Find it's resonant frequency.
2. See if a Joule Thief can do this frequency.
a. If not... then set up a 555 timer to pulse resonance.
3. Capture the energy with a Voltage doubler (2 Diodes...2@ caps. then output taken from sum of Caps)
4. Link Output from Voltage Doubler through 2nd JT to resonate a second Doorbell Transformer.
5. Repeat step 4 again if necessary.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@ Lawrence:
"Bill, what is your opinion on the Gadgetmail device?" (Quote from Lawrence)
Well, from what I remember, it was a very, very efficient circuit...to the point where OU was suspected. I do not think that was ever proven totally, to the best of my knowledge but, even the fact that it was close enough to suspect that possibility shows how efficient the circuit is.
Most JT circuits, even though they can do amazing things, are not that close to 100% efficient in my experience.
@ Observer:
Thank you.
Bill
More photos for verification
The setup shown can be reproduced since it uses the DC Power Supply.
No variable capacitor non inductor was available yet.
The "before LCR tuning" result still confirms overunity according to the scope readings.
This is the first of the many mini-workshop verifications to come. You are welcome to replicate and improve.
The two scope comparison was one of the best tools for tuning.
The JT LED still on (though dim) after the switch was turned off. That lasted at least 30 seconds.
There were no obvious capacitors.
Could it be the feedback? Or was it just capacitor action?
Lawrence:
During that 30 seconds, did the led begin to blink at all? Usually we see that with a basic JT circuit in that the pulses drop to a low enough frequency that the human eye can pick them up. This usually happens at the very end of the battery cycle if the circuit is not re-tuned.
Bill
@tseung
If you device a circuit that when the switch is turned off send a pulse to the coil in order to produce a reaction from it, that could posibly make a self runner.
It could be another joule thief in place of the bulb.
Just an idea.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 13, 2010, 08:39:35 AM
Lawrence:
During that 30 seconds, did the led begin to blink at all? Usually we see that with a basic JT circuit in that the pulses drop to a low enough frequency that the human eye can pick them up. This usually happens at the very end of the battery cycle if the circuit is not re-tuned.
Bill
No. It was just dim. I shall try to take a video next time.
Verify the result of Sep 13 at night
The setup was changed to one AA battery.
The result was similar. However, the waveforms were different.
GEX-50 A will now be frozen. Work will start on GEX-50 B.
*** GEX-50 A can be shown to any visitor in a moments notice. OVERUNITY result can always be reproduced and verified.
Start working on GEX-50B.
GEX-50A work is frozen. Hopefully, all tests can be reproduced. The connections were soldered. With a few more frozen samples, we shall loan them to Universities and/or Research Organizations.
The General Public can see them at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010 at the Hong Kong Invention Center from Dec 2-4, 2010. Admission is free. We may decorate a Christmas Tree with hundreds of LEDs powered by one AA battery (or a solar cell key ring).
Lawrence:
Now you are getting there. That is a decent amount of light.
By the way, tell forever that I said hello.
Bill
cost of the minimum configuration that can demonstrate overunity and light 108 LEDs
I believe the following may be improved further. Almost all Universities have more than two oscilloscopes for teaching.
We can provide the US$3.00 enhanced Joule Thief that can light up 108 LEDs and demonstrate overunity.
I shall be in USA in mid-Oct. The chance of giving a few of these to the local Universities is good. FLEET will be verified not only in Hong Kong and China. USA will have a chance too.
May be I should also send one to Stefan - the prize money should go to Gadgetmail. The Output Power will be more than Input Power by 1 watt. I hope Stefan et al have at least two oscilloscopes to verify that..
Conversation with Inventor Q
Inventor Q: “I have found a variable capacitor for you from a junk yard. It will be one of a kind. I also ordered two new ones from the Internet. I hope that they will be useful.â€
Tseung: “Thank you. Since I shall go to USA for some time, I shall let you have use of my oscilloscopes and other equipment. The commitment is for you to help in the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010.â€
Inventor Q: “I do not know your experiments that well yet. I would like to build a FLEET with at least 1 watt Input and 10 watt Output myself first.â€
Tseung: “Please focus only on the Output. With feedback, you may not even need a battery as Input similar to the Steven Mark Demo.â€
Inventor Q: “I am working on the key ring solar device. I may be able to light up your Christmas Tree. Hopefully, it can last during the three days at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010. If that works, I think we can get some attention from the Press.â€
Tseung: “That could solve the lighting problems in all remote places without electricity. Turn it into a reading lamp. I shall try to incorporate it into the DIY kit with my Book.â€
Inventor Q: “The focus should still be the 1 KW Steven Mark TPU type FLEET or the Gadgetmail Joule Thief Heater.â€
Tseung: “I am getting much more confident that such devices are result of achieving Lead-Out Energy resonance. It is a matter of time before we hit on and control such. With the Blessing from the Almighty, the world will benefit.â€
Inventor Q: “Can you list out the groups you know personally that are already working on FLEET?â€
Tseung: “I shall try:
1. Myself at my bedroom
2. Dr. Raymond Ting in his Shop in Kwai Chung. He has 2 oscilloscopes.
3. Tong Po Chi and his son, Miller. I know that they have 2 oscilloscopes
4. Dr. James Wong, chairman of the Institute of Energy. He got funding in millions.
5. Rasa et al in China. The rumor is that they got support from the Local City Government.
6. Engineer Fung who is working with a very wealthy Investor. They are already selling energy saving systems.
7. Mr. Alan Li, the factory owner who purchased a Tong Wheel Prototype and improved it so that it can now run a 1 Horse Power air conditioner. He is looking for Investment.
8. Some retired Wah Yan Old Boys who are treating the project as fun and activity in their retired spare time. Many are acknowledged engineers.
9. A group in Shenzhen. This group has a factory but their main income is from a very successful restaurant. They helped to build some components for the Tong Wheel.
10. Lee Cheung Kin and his team. Many are retirees from the Chinese Research Organizations. They have Chinese Government support. However, they are keeping everything confidential now.
11. The academics. They will do much verification before announcing anything.
12. A transformer factory owner whose engineers confirmed that Pulsed DC could pass through a transformer. The output could be affected with embedded magnets. He cut off all communication with me because he sensed the commercial value.
13. Ms. Forever Yuen and her groups of Student friends. They can wire up the FLEETs, operate the Oscilloscopes, do the presentations etc.â€
Inventor Q: “I believe you are safe now. The evil ones cannot murder so many groups. I was worried about my own safety initially. But now it seems I am just one of the many dozens. Once you run your free workshops and show FLEET to thousands at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010, there will be no point in murdering you or me. We have a variable capacitor now. Let us go to work.â€
You can never use, (variable) condensors like this
in your suggesed circiuits, because the values of capacities are to low (30-400pf in this types of variable
air (or even mylar) condensors.
I can not understand , that month over month in this tread, i find ununsual, unworking cicuits and fantastic ideas, tht have no-sens and not he smallest understanding of electronics or even electricity physics.
Gustav Pese
This tread can only help to wast the time.
or to understand, the need, to learn the basics first
He is just a fool looking for some attention.
Likes to be a big man but doesn't know shit about electronics.
Key ring toy as "match" to light up a Christmas Tree?
It actually lighted 108 LEDs.
Can it lead-out sufficient energy to last a few minutes, hours or days?
It takes the toy 3 hours bright sunlight to recharge the battery.
@Pese
You got it man. Illusionist is trying to make some money. Few clowns support him so he is off the hook.
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on September 16, 2010, 10:00:42 AM
@Pese
You got it man. Illusionist is trying to make some money. Few clowns support him so he is off the hook.
Minde
There are illusionists and then there are persons of delusion. Illusionists perfect their magic and are paid to entertain. Persons with delusion knows little and think they should be on par with Einstein or that God is working through them.
I know God certainly works through persons of faith like the late mother Theresa, but the same can't be said about the old man with little understanding of electronics or physics.
cheers
chrisC
believe it only.
i workover 50 years in electronics
construction, manufacturing, also
registred patents.
My company was found and is registred
since 1964
it is sure i will not
dilusion your experiments.
You can "learn yourself" better.
Give attention to this tread,
you are have long time to see ,understand
and learn.
In the tread "Ed Gray", I help in this moment
to understand semiconductor circuits, because the guy found problems.
---
i collect (german an englisch) helpfully
links in an collection since 2002
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
Gustav Pese
Quote from: pese on September 16, 2010, 03:05:10 PM
believe it only.
i workover 50 years in electronics
construction, manufacturing, also
registred patents.
My company was found and is registred
since 1964
it is sure i will not
dilusion your experiments.
You can "learn yourself" better.
Give attention to this tread,
you are have long time to see ,understand
and learn.
In the tread "Ed Gray", I help in this moment
to understand semiconductor circuits, because the guy found problems.
---
i collect (german an englisch) helpfully
links in an collection since 2002
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
Gustav Pese
Thank you pese. I read some of your posts and they indeed contained valuable information. My problem at the moment is to find easy ways to do the LCR tuning. I can buy variable resistors of different values easily. Some one is helping to build variable inductors.
Can you suggest a better way of varying the capacitors? My stupid way is outlined in the diagram.
Thank you.
I agree Mr. I, as a trimmer that seems like it will be a good part. Recent studies have me wondering if you take a the outer COIL at a resonance frequency then apply the same signal bout 180 degrees out of phase to the inside coil and collecting the created energy with a middle coil ... three coils in one.? and Pirate your stuff rokz!
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 16, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
Thank you pese. I read some of your posts and they indeed contained valuable information. My problem at the moment is to find easy ways to do the LCR tuning. I can buy variable resistors of different values easily. Some one is helping to build variable inductors.
Can you suggest a better way of varying the capacitors? My stupid way is outlined in the diagram.
Thank you.
Jes this is the big problem.
the avaiable range of variable caps
will not exeed 1000pf (1nf).
(i have an special from US-military in my stock 5 chambers with 500pf each. (so 2500pf in parallel
BUT this is obsolete and cant payd.
some varicap diodes existing (was made from ITT for AM-Car radios) but unknow if they are avaiable longer.
but even 10 diodes will also not have tthan 5000pf, and this is nothing
for your frquencies that you chose.
IF you will work and tuning your LCR Circuit.
L (Inductors) and Resistors you can find ANY range (unlimited)
You can ony use an FIXED Value Condensor , and USE variabe L and Pot-resistor
to tuning up the circuit to the (syncron/hamnic) value of the condensor.
I am feeling that you "compliate" your work.
I cant help, you have an idea in mind, you will find an solution (if)
G.Pese
PS.
Have googled.
Varicap Diode only 250pf types avaiable from Motorola
MV1662
...
But i find, that JAPANESE have invented varicap diode in using liquid cristals.
see it:
http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/46/L221/
they can work in KILOHERTZ range with LCR Circuits.
Possible THAT is YOUR solution.
Google can teach all.
If you ask accuratly
Hope:
Thank you.
Bill
Quote from: pese on September 16, 2010, 04:51:16 PM
Jes this is the big problem.
the avaiable range of variable caps
will not exeed 1000pf (1nf).
(i have an special from US-military in my stock 5 chambers with 500pf each. (so 2500pf in parallel
BUT this is obsolete and cant payd.
some varicap diodes existing (was made from ITT for AM-Car radios) but unknow if they are avaiable longer.
but even 10 diodes will also not have tthan 5000pf, and this is nothing
for your frquencies that you chose.
IF you will work and tuning your LCR Circuit.
L (Inductors) and Resistors you can find ANY range (unlimited)
You can ony use an FIXED Value Condensor , and USE variabe L and Pot-resistor
to tuning up the circuit to the (syncron/hamnic) value of the condensor.
I am feeling that you "compliate" your work.
I cant help, you have an idea in mind, you will find an solution (if)
G.Pese
PS.
Have googled.
Varicap Diode only 250pf types avaiable from Motorola
MV1662
...
But i find, that JAPANESE have invented varicap diode in using liquid cristals.
see it:
http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/46/L221/
they can work in KILOHERTZ range with LCR Circuits.
Possible THAT is YOUR solution.
Google can teach all. If you ask accuratly
Thank you once more, pese. Do you care to comment on the Feedback Mechanism we are using as of today? It appears to work.
I shall wait for the custom-made variable inductor. I can then chose any capacitor and use the variable inductor and resistor to match it. That is likely to be the direction of the coming research.
Quote from: Hope on September 16, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
I agree Mr. I, as a trimmer that seems like it will be a good part. Recent studies have me wondering if you take a the outer COIL at a resonance frequency then apply the same signal bout 180 degrees out of phase to the inside coil and collecting the created energy with a middle coil ... three coils in one.? and Pirate your stuff rokz!
Interesting indeed. You talking Stanley Meyer now... Instead of you "collector" coil there was water!
How sad that there are so many (probably hundreds) out there on youtube called Stan Meyer's "replications" and all of them Lawton PWM + few SS pipes... and I want to emphasize
NONE of them the built the way Meyer ment it to be... what is up with that?...
P.S. circuit simulator Falstad is NOT capable of simulating resonant LC circuit fed thru the blocking diode. Thus simulating SM circuit as well..
Minde
I dont understand what you are doing!
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 16, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
My problem at the moment is to find easy ways to do the LCR tuning.
I remqain of the view that grid dip oscillators may be for this. Here are a couple
of circuits deliberately designed for megahertz operation.
Can someone adapt them for a frequency range likely to be useful?
http://www.simplecircuitdiagram.com/2010/08/11/grid-dip-oscillator-gdo-instrument/
http://www.seekic.com/forum/22_circuit_diagram/15855_GRID_DIP_OSCILLATOR.html
The first one is the simplest of the two. It has already the info to get the hertz you want. Just follow the table.
But in general, they both are too complicated for us newbies.
Also EBay list a few turn key solutions. A variety of Dip Meters.
Minde Thank you for the HHO comment. Found 2 glass LENSED and 3 HOLES in bottoms each from factory at a yard sell. These holes are aligned so each half make together a 8 inch pie sized glass cylinder with a very level matting surface. This glass is from the 1950's and was made for flame safe heat (Chafing dish warmers). So total I would say it is just over a gallon area inside. I think the lensing effect may be fun to examine and even can be made to benefit the HHO production if we're lucky.
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 17, 2010, 09:59:05 AM
I dont understand what you are doing!
Hope the attached figure makes things clear. It is a simple but effective technique. Try it. You are almost guaranteed to get much higher overunity COP results!
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 17, 2010, 05:32:21 PM
Hope the attached figure makes things clear. It is a simple but effective technique. Try it. You are almost guaranteed to get much higher overunity COP results!
Thank you @tseung!
Jesus
My last workship at Hong Kong University on Oct 9, 2010
I shall run my last workshop in Hong Kong before going back to USA. The date will be Oct 9, 2010. For those who want to see the whole process of winding the toroid, making the Joule Thief, they can come at 11:30am. For those who just want to see the results, they can come at 3:30pm. The workshop is free.
The Workshop will cover:
1. Theory of Lead-Out Energy
2. Making the Joule Thief
3. Enhancing the Joule Thief
4. Resonance hunting
5. Feedback
6. Use of the two oscilloscopes
The Demonstrations will include:
1. A one-second flasher that has run for 6 weeks on one AA battery
2. A similar flasher that runs on a solar cell key ring toy. With recharging from sunlight, the device is expected to run forever (or until parts fail).
3. Lighting of 108 LEDs for 6 hours on one AA battery
4. Possibly lighting of a Christmas Tree on a solar cell key ring toy
5. Possibly taking out the batteries and the two LED FLEET will still be on for at least 30 seconds
The future workshops in Hong Kong will be conducted by others. The task of developing and showing a 1kw FLEET device in Hong Kong will be left to the younger teams. They will shine.
@tseung
According to your explanation, this is what I understand.
Jesus
Minde Your theory on the blocking diode is a good as anyones. I can't see how Stan could create higher EMF force except by using harmonic push/pull and forced decay. This would give only one place for that force to go, thus the fluid medium is the absorbant. So a blocking diode would only allow at best one half the power that should have been available. And Minde do you have a project anywhere we can view on HHO? OR ANYTHING?
Mr I, Thank you for your sharing your Hong Kong adventure with us!
More to share on Feedback
One surprising thing on Feedback was that the polarity back to the Power Supply did not seem to make too much difference. One connection should recharge the battery. The opposite connection should supply current in the same direction as battery.
The Input Vpp was about 800mV with no feedback. With feedback:
1. Connection A lowered the Input Vpp to 200mV. With adjusting, the Input Vpp varied from 170mv to 400mv. The Output Vpp varied from 6.2V to 10.0V.
2. Connection B lowered the Input Vpp to 230mV. With adjusting, the Input Vpp varied from 160mV to 360mV. The Output Vpp varied from 4.6V to 7.6V.
Both values dropped the Input Vpp significantly.
*** Will rework the JT battery charger. With the standard JT charger, both batteries will drain down after a couple of recharges. When we configure the JT in the overunity state, we managed to observe both batteries rising in voltage. However, if we leave the charging on, the system drifted to the underunity state. Now with feedback from the secondary side and the charging at the JT output side, we may be able to use some lead-out energy to recharge the batteries and keep the charging at the overunity state.
*** Will experiment along such lines.
Hey ltseung888
How is it going? Have you shown a circuit yet? I pop in here once in a while.
Hope all is good
mags
Quote from: Hope on September 18, 2010, 10:45:58 AM
Minde Your theory on the blocking diode is a good as anyones. I can't see how Stan could create higher EMF force except by using harmonic push/pull and forced decay. This would give only one place for that force to go, thus the fluid medium is the absorbant. So a blocking diode would only allow at best one half the power that should have been available. And Minde do you have a project anywhere we can view on HHO? OR ANYTHING?
Mr I, Thank you for your sharing your Hong Kong adventure with us!
That last post was a joke or didnt come out right :) Water fracturing works somewhat by two 180 degree out of phase electrostatic forces "tearing" apart water molecules. I just wanted to emphasize 180 degree reactance of second choke. I have nothing besides Lawton PWM that everybody has and single tube SS cell/cap sprayed on with Liquit Tape (piece of crap I assume) from walmart wich gives me 32nf capacistance. I am looking for couple of C cores so I could start building a VIC. I am sure tuning is gonna be a b..ch. But I will try anyway. I just totally ingnore all those youtube "replicators" because they have NOTHING.
All right. This aint the thread for particular subject. Lets stay on topic.
Minde
Talking to Mr. Chan, an Electronics Manufacturer
Tseung: “ Mr. Chan, how much will it cost to build the following attached kit?â€
Chan: “It depends on the quantity. The minimum order is 1,000 units. You want one complete, quality confirmed set and one components only package. Is that correct?â€
Tseung: “Yes. Please give me the cost for 1,000 units. The material cost is less than HK$20.â€
Chan: “Obviously, the device will be assembled in China. For 1,000 units, the cost will be HK$100,000. We provide the quality control and the packaging. For larger quantities, the cost per unit can be much lower.â€
Tseung: “How soon can you deliver once I place a confirmed order?â€
Chan: “If you have the final specification and all the parts identified, my factory can finish the 1,000 unit order within 4 weeks. You have to deposit 50% of the price first.â€
Tseung: “Can you provide me with a dozen samples first?â€
Chan: “Sure. You have to put down HK$10,000 first. We can then provide you with a dozen professionally made samples.â€
*** The DIY Kit will confirm overunity. Should I get it done professionally now? Should I wait for the publicity at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010? Should I wait for the Christmas Tree Demo first?
Lawrence:
Please, no offense intended but, have you considered what many Chinese manufacturers have done to US companies that go to them to get products made at a lower cost?
I am not condemning the Chinese people here, nor all Chinese manufactures, ok? But, there is a long history of folks going to some of these people and having their product produced, only to find that later, they are selling it for half of what they are charging as a per unit cost as the folks are paying....and it is their design.
Google this if you do not believe me but, if they think it is a viable product, they may jump into the market with tens of thousands of units while you struggle to pay for the initial 1,000.
Again, please, this is not a slam on the Chinese people in any way. We have plenty of "business" folks here in the US that would do the same thing if given the opportunity.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 20, 2010, 01:55:34 AM
Lawrence:
Please, no offense intended but, have you considered what many Chinese manufacturers have done to US companies that go to them to get products made at a lower cost?
I am not condemning the Chinese people here, nor all Chinese manufactures, ok? But, there is a long history of folks going to some of these people and having their product produced, only to find that later, they are selling it for half of what they are charging as a per unit cost as the folks are paying....and it is their design.
Google this if you do not believe me but, if they think it is a viable product, they may jump into the market with tens of thousands of units while you struggle to pay for the initial 1,000.
Again, please, this is not a slam on the Chinese people in any way. We have plenty of "business" folks here in the US that would do the same thing if given the opportunity.
Bill
Thank you, Bill. Since I do not consider this as my invention and I do not need the income, I may ask for the following deal.
1. They can take the design and produce the DIY kit as their own product at their own expense.
2. Give me 12 free samples so that I can send to some famous Universities for further verification.
3. When and if they make money, donate 10% of the profit to charitable organizations. I recommend Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
4. The offer is not exclusive. I can make the same offer to other manufacturers in China or aboard.
5. I may even let them copy my book (it will be free and on-line in any case). They can put it on a CD to reduce cost and provide more multimedia information. Some foreign manufacturers may translate the information into their own language.
I expect many will wait for the publicity at the Inno Tech Expo 2010 and/or the academic verifications from the top Universities. Few will act now. But many will jump in as soon as some make very handsome initial profit. The World will benefit.
Many will improve and build the FLEET reading lamps. I may not need to come up with money of my own or beg for investment. This may be the path set out by the Almighty.
you have exactly one month left for the 1000 Watt unit...
Another prototype.
Commercial LED Christmas Tree Lights
Time to focus back on the 1KW FLEET device.
DIY kit taking shape
We shall replace the size of the variable resistors.
It is not possible to include the test equipment (two oscilloscopes) or the soldering guns etc.
However, it is feasible to have one working unit and one bag containing all components. The FLEET technology will be confirmed by thousands. It will be like alternative current - no patents. Tesla died poor and lonely. He had no Internet to support him. I will do it even if I meet the same fate. The World will benefit.
Adding human muscle?
Meeting with Inventor Q
Inventor Q: “Mr. Tseung, you are leaving for USA in a few weeks. What is the most important thing that you want us to remember in Hong Kong? Is it the Tong Wheel? Is it the two oscilloscope demo? Is it the solar cell Christmas Tree?â€
Tseung: “No. The most important thing is the Lead-out Energy Theory. I shall review it for you (in the attached file) once more. Lead-out energy theory does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. In the case of a horizontal pull on a pendulum, the lead-out gravitational energy is approximately 50% of the supplied pull energy. That is a very significant amount.â€
Inventor Q: “Are you saying that your inventions including Tong Wheel, FLEET and the inventions from other inventors are Lead-out energy inventions?â€
Tseung: “Yes. I think you should do some mathematics. The weight of the pendulum bob is now 100 units and the horizontal force F is 10 units. Please calculate the angle of displacement, the vertical displacement, the horizontal displacement, the vertical work done by the tension of the string (or gravity) and the horizontal work done by the horizontal pull.â€
After repeated calculation, Inventor Q: “I got the ratio of horizontal work over vertical work as approximately 2 again. Two parts of horizontal energy do lead-out one part of vertical energy!â€
Talk with a LED gift merchant
Merchant: “What is so special about the FLEET technology? Can it be implemented in my products?â€
Tseung: “If some of your toy products never need to replace batteries, would that improve your sales and profits?â€
Merchant: “Now I am interested. When will it happen?â€
Tseung: “Do you want to see the primitive prototype? We took apart some of your products and added some of our inventions.â€
Will the first FLEET LED Fan toy hit the market by Christmas 2011???
*** Technology base
1. Basic LED
2. LED with Joule Thief Technology
3. LED with enhanced Joule Thief Technology and feedback
4. System with muscle and/or solar recharging (starting and maintenance)
5. Integrating and packaging
Conversation with Engineer F
Engineer F: “I got your information from my friend who intends to build a FLEET toy. He showed me the websites and your contact information. I have a few questions. Will you answer them?â€
Tseung: “Sure. As I have stated many times before, I do not consider myself as the inventor. It is the Almighty performing miracles through me. The information is for all to share and to benefit the World. What are your questions?â€
Engineer F: “In your example of a horizontally pulled pendulum with a force F, there will be equilibrium of the three forces, the tension of the string T, the weight Mg and the force F. You are correct in stating that tan(a) = F/Mg. The horizontal displacement is Lsin(a). The vertical displacement is L(1-cos(a)). I also agree with the above mathematics. However, I have some doubts on the calculation of the horizontal work. You used the simple formula of horizontal work = F * Lsin(a). I believe that the force F may not be constant. Can you explain that?â€
Tseung: “You are very observant. You are the first one to raise the question in this manner. Indeed, you can theoretically apply a force smaller than F initially on the pendulum bob and the pendulum bob will also move. The more exact formula should be the integral of F(x)dx. The force F(x) can indeed vary as a function of the horizontal displacement. However, for clarity of understanding, I made the simplification of using a constant force F. That is the largest force needed.â€
Engineer F: “Does that mean that you can apply less energy to lead-out a given amount of vertical gravitational energy?â€
Tseung: “Yes. No matter how you look at it. No matter how you do your calculation, you will get lead-out gravitational energy so long as there is tension at the string.â€
Engineer F: “If I accept that we can extract or lead-out gravitational energy, how can I extend the same concept to electrical energy or electron motion energy?â€
Tseung: “You can do the Forever Yuen experiment. Replace the pendulum bob with a magnet. Place the magnetic pendulum bob in an external magnetic field produced by your own powerful magnets. The period of oscillation will change. If you can extract gravitational energy, you must be able to extract magnetic energy.â€
Engineer F: “I see the logic now. If I can extract magnetic energy, I must be able to extract electrical energy. Electrical and magnetic energy are closely related. The orbiting electron around the nucleus produces magnetism. That is why you believe that electron motion energy can be extracted via an appropriate pulsing electromagnetic field.â€
Tseung: “Correct. Now you can build your FLEET toy with confidence. It is based on solid physics and mathematics. Your toy does not need to totally use the chemical energy of the battery. Much of it can be from the lead-out energy of the surrounding. If you have proper feedback, that lead-out energy is theoretically infinite.â€
Conversation with Aaron512
Aaron512: “I checked the mathematics. The simplified version did show that 2 parts of horizontal energy will lead-out 1 part of vertical energy. Why is this not taught at schools and universities?â€
Tseung: “The most common assumption at Schools and Universities is that there is change from potential energy to kinetic energy in the swinging of a pendulum. Any supplied energy will contribute to one of these two forms. There is no consideration that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the tension of the string.â€
Aaron512: “But if lead-out energy is correct, the World Energy Crisis is over. The mathematics is so simple.â€
Tseung: “When I go to USA, would you be willing to act as the coordinator in Hong Kong? The task is to post some comments on the various forums; attend some meetings and give some seminars or workshops. There are occasional exhibitions such as the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010. I shall leave all material including the oscilloscopes for you.â€
Aaron512: “That sounds like a good deal. However, I may not do things the way you do.â€
Tseung: “I know. You already expressed your feeling that I was stupid in disclosing all my hard earned knowledge freely on the Internet and received insults.â€
Aaron512: “I got the variable capacitors for you. They may just be good for trimming. I am working on the variable inductors. Hope that will be better.â€
tHIS MODEL IN YOUR PICURE is an japanese
Model that was usedes in the end of 1960 jears
in japaneseAM FM tube Radios Reveivers.
aswl in high cost home transitor receivers.
al portabel transtor radios have uses PVC/Mylar trimming varabels (small sized.
I found my company in the 60s , with repairing
japanese transitor receivers for 3 of the biggest warehouse in germany. So i find experiences and knowledge.
G.Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pppp
alternative link collections
2002-2010 german/englisch
yes.
The coarse tuning is done with a capacitor box. The variable cap is of
low value and is only used for the last piece of tuning, the polishing, as it
were.
My US Contacts
I shall work with Todd and Nora Hathaway in USA. We may also work with UC Irvine in California. The plan is to give a seminar and a demonstration in Mid-November. At least two working FLEET prototypes that can demonstrate overunity will be given to Todd. There will be enough components for him and UC Irvine experts to build a dozen prototypes themselves. UC Irvine will provide the oscilloscopes and possibly data loggers. Hong Kong, China and USA will have working FLEET prototypes and the trained experts to build and tune them before the end of this year. The World will benefit.
That should give me enough time to source out where to get the components in the local electronic stores around Irvine. It is likely that there will be one or more research teams in USA working on FLEET technology in the near future.
Aaron512 will be the contact person in Hong Kong and China. He will be able to bring the FLEET technology to new heights.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 24, 2010, 03:09:43 PM
My US Contacts
I shall work with Todd and Nora Hathaway in USA. We may also work with UC Irvine in California. The plan is to give a seminar and a demonstration in Mid-November. At least two working FLEET prototypes that can demonstrate overunity will be given to Todd. There will be enough components for him and UC Irvine experts to build a dozen prototypes themselves. UC Irvine will provide the oscilloscopes and possibly data loggers. Hong Kong, China and USA will have working FLEET prototypes and the trained experts to build and tune them before the end of this year. The World will benefit.
That should give me enough time to source out where to get the components in the local electronic stores around Irvine. It is likely that there will be one or more research teams in USA working on FLEET technology in the near future.
Aaron512 will be the contact person in Hong Kong and China. He will be able to bring the FLEET technology to new heights.
Your brain really is full of crap. You need to release some of that into useful and meaningful work and stop deluding yourself further.
cheers
chrisC
ok, im confused.what exactly is a "fleet"? a transformer with embedded magnets(that STILL hasnt been built btw )? a plaigerised joule thief? a theoretical pendulum-thingy?.......what?
why don't you guy's stop posting in his thread?
then the fun is over for him and nobody will have to read his bullshit anymore..
Quote from: rave154 on September 24, 2010, 03:19:02 PM
ok, im confused.what exactly is a "fleet"? a transformer with embedded magnets(that STILL hasnt been built btw )? a plaigerised joule thief? a theoretical pendulum-thingy?.......what?
FLEET is Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. At present, some are enhancing the Joule Thief with lead-out energy resonance hunting and feedback. Overunity has been demonstrated multiple times in Hong Kong and China. At least two prototypes will be shown in US in Mid-November.
The task is not easy. See one of the student attempts.
First FLEET prototype for USA
Just finished building and testing the first protoype to bring to USA.
The construction is the 3 layer Tseung winding technique with the Joule Thief layer sandwiched between two transformer windings. A ferrite core toroid of diameter 1.2 inch was used.
To my surprise and delight, the device showed overunity without adding the capacitors nor feedback.
The decision is to freeze this prototype so that we are guaranteed to have something to show in USA. The subsequent prototypes will have better features and performances.
*** Some unknowns in USA are the two oscilloscopes and the data logger. How will they affect the resonance???
Second Prototype for USA
The second prototype used part of the configuration from gadgetmail. There were 11 turns wound with the Joule Thief technique. There were 22 turns wound with the transformer technique.
Initially, the LED at the secondary did not even light. The Vpp with no load was 7.6V. The circuit was set up with a 100 variable resistor at the secondary. After tuning, I got the following:
Input Voltage Vpp = 1.1V Vrms = 16mV
Input Current Ipp = 64mA Irms = 8mA (current obtained from voltage across a 1 ohm resistor)
Output Voltage Vpp = 3.76V Vrms = 320mV
Output Current Ipp = 0.56A Irms = 24mA (current obtained from voltage across a 10 ohm resistor)
The estimated Output Power (peak-to-peak) = 2.1 watts
The estimated COP (peak-to-peak) = 30
More work will be done on this prototype.
oh dear.......chris....now i see..
hes basing his outputs wattage and therefore his COP.....on the peak voltage & peak current
???
Quote from: rave154 on September 25, 2010, 09:20:57 AM
oh dear.......chris....now i see..
hes basing his outputs wattage and therefore his COP.....on the peak voltage & peak current
???
That is the simple, quick method. You can use the same estimation for Input and Output Power. For comparison purposes, this will work.
The exact method should be the integration of the area under the instantaneous power curves. My inexpensive oscilloscope did not have that function. (Or I have not correctly linked the information from the oscilloscope to my computer yet.)
However, one can
estimate (as I stated multiple times) from either the peak-to-peak Voltage and Current values or the RMS Voltage and Current values. Even better is to observe and compare the Instantaneous Input Power and the Instantaneous Output Power Curves. That is the reason for getting two oscilloscopes.
The involvement of the top Universities with their more powerful oscilloscopes and data loggers will verify and confirm the overunity results. My task is to provide the inexpensive (less than HK$20) prototypes for them to double and triple check.
Please pile more insults together with ChristC et al. Tell his boss that you all tried your best to discredit the lead-out energy theory. Unfortunately, it can be verified by a less than HK$20 device worldwide.
@ltseung888
Could you demonstrate OU by using higher voltage input setup.. lets say 5VDC.. 9VDC or 12VDC?
What happens then? I am sure that would require a bigger toroid to avoid saturation and other stuff but if you cannot get OU using higher input power then there has got to be something fishy here...
You input uses 1 ohm - so you get real input nubers but output is measured thru 10 ohm.. shouldnt you divide your output numbers by 10? Sry if I am wrong on this one.
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on September 25, 2010, 07:24:14 PM
@ltseung888
Could you demonstrate OU by using higher voltage input setup.. lets say 5VDC.. 9VDC or 12VDC?
What happens then? I am sure that would require a bigger toroid to avoid saturation and other stuff but if you cannot get OU using higher input power then there has got to be something fishy here...
You input uses 1 ohm - so you get real input nubers but output is measured thru 10 ohm.. shouldnt you divide your output numbers by 10? Sry if I am wrong on this one.
Minde
Dear Minde,
You raised a few good questions.
The first one is on increasing input. The LEDs, 2N2222s used cannot take very high voltages. They will burn out if over 6V DC were used. Aaron512 burnt over a dozen 2N2222s when he tried higher input voltages. He will experiment with other components that can take higher voltage and current. My task is to provide the Universities with prototypes that they can verify and confirm overunity. Thus my prototypes will still use the 2N2222s. (Another reason was that I got 1,000 of them in my bedroom. I hate wasting good stuff.)
The second one is on the use of 1 ohm and 10 ohm resistors. The choice was dictated by the tuning process. Since we do not have the variable capacitors and inductors for tuning yet, we rely on the variable resistor which actually has some capacitance. The Output Current value has been divided by 10 already.
Since you have two oscilloscopes and the various electronic components, you can easily replicate and improve the overunity demonstration experiments. Did you mention that you had some difficulty? Tell us what those were and we may be able to debug them remotely for you.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
One of my scopes aint digital and has screen focus issue. Image appears to be a bit contracted.. cant measure accurately.
M
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 25, 2010, 08:11:03 PM
The first one is on increasing input. The LEDs, 2N2222s used cannot take very high voltages. They will burn out if over 6V DC were used. Thus my prototypes will still use the 2N2222s. (Another reason was that I got 1,000 of them in my bedroom. I hate wasting good stuff.)
What an excuse man... You claim to get OU and cant afford better transistors?... Use LEDs in series or better yet get another load... You would demonstrate reasonable numbers your "angel insvestors" would set you up for life.. but appearently you cannot.. and I dont think transistors nor LEDs are the poblem...
You claimed 50W measured output there once. What happen?
Huh..
Quote from: minde4000 on September 26, 2010, 12:56:03 AM
What an excuse man... You claim to get OU and cant afford better transistors?... Use LEDs in series or better yet get another load... You would demonstrate reasonable numbers your "angel insvestors" would set you up for life.. but appearently you cannot.. and I dont think transistors nor LEDs are the poblem...
You claimed 50W measured output there once. What happen?
Huh..
1. Other teams in Hong Kong are working on high Output systems. My focus is on University verification and confirmation at present. After the demonstration at UC Irvine, I may change direction.
2. Dr. Raymond Ting got that 50W (peak-to-peak) once. He has two oscilloscopes and will not disclose anything on the Internet. (in agreement with his investors???)
Lawrence:
Could you tell forever that I said hello? I am not hitting on her I just think she is cute, and obviously very intelligent.
Bill
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 25, 2010, 08:11:03 PM
You raised a few good questions.
The first one is on increasing input. The LEDs, 2N2222s used cannot take very high voltages.
Why use LEDs at all? Is there a special reason? Why not use a heavy resistor,
possibly immersed in a small tank of oil, and then measure the temperature
increase in the oil to deduce the power out through the resistor.
Paul-R,
i agree, but this could all be settled in 5 minutes.....if only he'd use a cap or cap bank on the input...and an equal cap bank on the output.......if he drains the input bank....from a given voltage....and ends up with a bigger voltage in the output bank.....then thats OU
Rave...
I you want to fill a couple Caps and Contemplate OU, then I suggest you get a disposable camera with a flash.
Here's your test.
1. Hook up battery (1.5V) straight to the Cap... for 1 Second.
Then Measure Voltage. (probably ~ 1 Volt)
2. Hook up battery to charging Circuit... for 1 Second.
Then Measure Voltage. (probably ~ 100 V)
Question to contemplate.
"How the F___ did the same battery get that much energy in the cap in the same duration?"
E=(1/2)*C*V2
What is that 100V*100V = 10,000?
So somehow the flash circuit got ~ 10,000 times more energy in the Cap during the same period.
WOW ! WOW ! WOW ! WOW !
Explain to me how this is NOT OU?
Chris.. you can give it shot if you want too.
Tseung.. take note. ( I believe Rave is right about determining the energy by using the simple cap charging process)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on September 26, 2010, 12:26:01 PM
Rave...
I you want to fill a couple Caps and Contemplate OU, then I suggest you get a disposable camera with a flash.
Here's your test.
1. Hook up battery (1.5V) straight to the Cap... for 1 Second.
Then Measure Voltage. (probably ~ 1 Volt)
2. Hook up battery to charging Circuit... for 1 Second.
Then Measure Voltage. (probably ~ 100 V)
Question to contemplate.
"How the F___ did the same battery get that much energy in the cap in the same duration?"
E=(1/2)*C*V2
What is that 100V*100V = 10,000?
So somehow the flash circuit got ~ 10,000 times more energy in the Cap during the same period.
WOW ! WOW ! WOW ! WOW !
Explain to me how this is NOT OU?
Chris.. you can give it shot if you want too.
Tseung.. take note. ( I believe Rave is right about determining the energy by using the simple cap charging process)
Best Regards,
The Observer
The question is how much energy did you consume from your battery by charging to 1VDC and how much to 100VDC?
You have charged cap to 100VDC in expense of high amp surge from your source battery during your charging time where to charge to 1VDC took only a fraction of amps. Correct me if I am wrong.
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on September 26, 2010, 01:13:21 PM
The question is how much energy did you consume from your battery by charging to 1VDC and how much to 100VDC?
You have charged cap to 100VDC in expense of high amp surge from your source battery during your charging time where to charge to 1VDC took only a fraction of amps. Correct me if I am wrong.
Minde
This is exactly correct. The amp draw was 10,000 times higher for that brief amount of time.
Cap to cap will tell the tale, one way or the other. I would suggest super caps or a boost cap which will hold more energy and take longer to fill and to discharge giving you a larger window during which to observe the results.
Bill
I respectively disagree.
Hooking up a large Capacitor (330 uf in a camera circuit)
for a short period to a low voltage source (a 1.5 V battery)
is akin to short circuiting the voltage source.
10,000 is a LARGE amplification not to be discarded lightly.
Remember that the camera circuit must overcome the impedance of a large coil.--- Many many times in 1 second.
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Look... Pirate, you have never weighed in on the fact that I claim
a regular Speaker is technically an OU device.
This is why...
1. A speaker uses a dynamic/changing magnetic field to do it's thing.
2. IT TAKES ENERGY TO SET UP A DYNAMIC MAGNETIC SYSTEM.
3.This energy can calculated by doing 2 things to a speaker.
a Remove the Ferromagntic material from the coil (that moves the cone).. leaving just the coil.
b.Replace the Magnet with Coil.
4. You will realize at this point... that this modified speaker will work...
It will just take WAY MORE ENERGY energy to run,
compared with the regular setup that uses Ferromagnetics (which possess Unpaired electron Spin)
5. (Modified Speaker Energy) - (Regular Speaker Energy) = Energy supplied by the unpaired electrons.
The fact that a piece of iron magnifies the magnetic field of a coil 5,000 times is more than interesting.
Pirate.. do you see what I am saying about the speaker...
True Conservation of Energy means Acknowledging ALL of the Energy in a Given System.
Best Regards,
The Observer
In your speaker example, if I understand it correctly which I might not, you are not accounting for the energy in the permanent magnet...is this not correct?
Simple example...if I wind a coil around a nail and make and electro magnet, it will pick-up iron particles right?
Now, if I hold a permanent magnet over the particles, they too get picked up with no energy input like we had to use with the nail. This does not mean that the PM is overunity at all. I think it is more like comparing apples and oranges.....
Unless I am missing something which, like I said, is entirely possible.
I can charge a large cap from my flash circuits in just a few seconds, much larger caps than 330 uf, I am talking about 10 farad up to 650 farad. Just a few seconds is all it needs.
But, if I compare my AA battery after I loaded those large caps, it has been drained quite a bit. I just took more energy out of it faster, but the energy is the same.
I hope this makes sense.
Bill
@The Observer
So why dont you take a cap instead of a batery and charge it to 1.5VDC and try your experiment again. In this case you will the same amount of energy to begin with for both cases. You will find out what Bill is saying.
Also I bought a pair of Infinity 6x9 speakers containing NO magnets 5 years ago. I have never seen magnetless speaker before untill I opened the box. Was kind of dissapointed for a moment.. I also tought they should definately be weaker than ones with permanent magnet. But I was wrong. They kicked really well... just like they had a magnet on... never noticed any difference. I still have them in my box.
Minde
Leading-out sound energy from the surrounding at resonance
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiHOqMOJTH4
Focus on the fact that tuning fork on LHS (A) picked up energy from the tuning fork on the RHS (B). If we put another tuning fork on the LHS of A (call it C), will C pick up energy as well?
The question is: does the energy of all the tuning forks come from the original striking of the tuning fork B? Is there any possibility of energy coming from the surrounding?
When tuning fork B was stopped, the remaining tuning forks still produce sound. Where does such energy come from? Is the simple explanation that they were just the stored energy from the original striking of the tuning fork B reasonable and scientifically indisputable?
FLEET (Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer) uses the matching of LCR circuits (or resonance hunting) to get more energy from the surrounding. I believe that electron motion energy of the surrounding material can be lead-out (or bought in) into the system. The exponential rise in amplitude at or near resonance can be explained by feedback and external energy coming into the system.
If energy can come from the surrounding environment, there will be no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. No Physical Laws have been broken. That is the beauty of Lead-out energy!
*** I did another gadgetmail type toroid (11 turns JT and 22 turns transformer) on a taller 1 inch ferrite toroid. The result is not as good as the original. It is still overunity with COP = 3 (peak-to-peak). Shall buy a few dozen of the original for the workshops in both Hong Kong and USA.
lol @ the guy in the video when he says " look, theyre not connected at all....see..theyre sitting on this base here with rubber feet"...
errr........not "connected at all"......by virtue of sitting on the same same table as the other tuning fork..and by virtue of being present in the same medium (the air)........then.....they are most definitely.....connected!
having said that.....i appreciate the guys enthusiasm
Pirate,
There are two changes to a speaker to make it run with "paid for'' energy.
1. Remove the Ferromagnetic Substance core from the coil that moves the cone.
2. Remove the magnet (a ferromagnetic substance) and replace it with an air core coil.
I insist, for a given tone... that the modified Non Ferro speaker will take much more energy to run.
This is the energy required to run this particular DYNAMIC MAGNETIC SYSTEM.
If you add the ferro back...(magnet & ferro in coil) you will be using Unpaired Electron Spin and thus less 'paid for' energy.
Again...
(Non-Ferro Speaker Energy) - (Ferro Speaker Energy) = (Energy contributed by Ferro)
As far as your Caps go.. don't you think shorting a battery to a cap for a short time is akin to just shorting the battery??
I bet if you held a 1.5 battery to your tongue (thus shorting it)... you would feel next to nothing in 1 second.
Now try a 330uf Cap that has been charged for 1 second through the camera circuit...
I dare ya.. but don't recommend it. ;o)~
Pirate.. you are an expert at the High Voltage JT circuits...
One Simple Question...
Can you light a 13 W CFL with a JT for a significant amount of time that does not use a Ferromagnetic Core?
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Minde,
1.5 V Cap as the battery to the camera circuit.. good idea.
All my camera circuits are dismantled or destroyed at this time from trying to get out the transformer.
That's fine that those speakers don't use a ferromagnetic material of High Coercivity (in other words, a magnet)...
I bet you $100 that there is ferromagnetic material of Low Coercivity (like iron) used in the cores of this setup.
To check on that you would need to take apart the speaker... is my guess.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Observer:
First, I am no expert on anything, just to make that clear.
Second, according to WIKI, ferrite is not a ferro-magnetic material so the answer to your question is yes I can, and have.
When you charge a cap from a AA battery, it is not a short because the battery sees the empty cap as a load. If it were a short, then the battery would get hot, which it does not.
Bill
Another Gadgetmail type winding
I just happen to have another ferrite core with 1 inch diameter and 0.3 inch thick. It is yellow in color. My other ones are green. It was purchased in Shenzhen when I bought a whole bunch with different sizes for testing.
The results are as follows:
Input peak-to-peak Voltage = 480mV
Input peak-to-peak Current = 136mA (calculated from voltage across a 1 ohm resistor)
Input Power (peak-to-peak estimate) = 0.06528 watts
Output peak-to-peak Voltage = 8.4V
Output peak-to-peak Current = 1.52A (calculated from voltage across a 10 ohm resistor)
Output Power (peak-to-peak estimate) = 12.76 watts
COP = 195.5
*** This is the best prototype in my possession so far. I shall try to get identical ferrite core in Shenzhen in the next few days. After verification from the Universities, a copy will be sent to Stefan and he can send the prize money to Gadgetmail. Gadgetmail deserves the credit and the money should help his illness.
Pirate,
Ferrite is not Ferromagnetic?
What?
Does it comply with Wiki's definition of ferromagnetism?
QuoteFerromagnetism is the basic mechanism by which certain materials (such as iron) form permanent magnets,
or are attracted to magnets.
'
More directly... "Does this ferrite you used find itself attracted to a common magnet?"
I find it very hard to believe that something named ferrite wouldn't display ferromagnetic properties.
Ferro essentially means Magnetic Dipoles powered by Unpaired Electrons.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Ferrite is a ceramic material and not a metal. It is an oxide. Fe2O3. I always use high permeability ferrite for all of my projects. It can be magnetized and de-magnetized many thousands of times/sec. Most of my JT circuits operate in the 20kHz range.
Ferro-magnetic materials refer to materials that contain iron. Ferrite is iron oxide and a totally different animal.
Bill
Pirate,
Anything that is attracted to a magnet is Ferromagnetic or has Ferromagnetic components.
I completely respect you and all you have done, but at this point I am going to call you out.
"Is the piece of Ferrite you referred to attracted to a magnet?"
If so, then it possesses randomly oriented magnetic dipoles (within domains)
powered by unpaired infinitely spinning electrons
that (in this case) rotate on a dime to amplify the magnetic field of a coil by 50,000 times or so.
Whatever the Magnetic Permeability is.. THAT's how much it amplifies the field of a given coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the relative permeability (Magnetic Permeability) of the material within the solenoid.
Only Ferromagnetic Materials have a Permeability significantly greater than 1.. like 5,000 or 100,000.
In other words... ParaMagnetic & DiaMagnetic Materials have a Magnetic Permeability of ~1.
If you are using a material of High Magnetic Permeability.. it is most Definitely Ferromagnetic.
The diagram below describes what I am talking about.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Full connection details on the prototype B to bring to USA,
The diagram is extracted from the workshops being done in Hong Kong.
If you have two oscilloscopes, you are welcome to replicate. We can remotely debug it for you if you run into problems. If you only have one, then do the Input first and then the Output. We hope to have at least a dozen Universities or Research Institutes verifying and confirming the overunity results before the end of this year.
Credit goes to Gadgetmail and hope his health gets better.
12.8 Watts output.....hmm...through a single LED...
well lets see..a typical LED would have about 2V acorss it, with perhaps 20mA runnign through it, that equates to 0.04W
therefore if Tseungs 12.8 W is correct.then he is overloading a single LED power-wise to the tune of 320 times, without the LED popping its clogs? ..hmmmm
Quote from: rave154 on September 27, 2010, 06:42:08 AM
12.8 Watts output.....hmm...through a single LED...
well lets see..a typical LED would have about 2V acorss it, with perhaps 20mA runnign through it, that equates to 0.04W
therefore if Tseungs 12.8 W is correct.then he is overloading a single LED power-wise to the tune of 320 times, without the LED popping its clogs? ..hmmmm
You are basing your calculation on steady DC voltage. When you have pulsing DC as in this case (or in all JT circuits). your assumptions are not applicable. Please do the experiments and study the theory.
Tseung,
if your output is pulsed DC, then simply send it to a FWBR then into a DC CAP with a load resistor across it..and measure the voltage across the resistor.. from this calculate amperage...from this calculate wattage in pure DC terms.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 27, 2010, 08:25:58 AM
Please do the experiments and study the theory.
Look who's talking :D
i'll betcha anything....he doesnt do what i asked........ send the pulsed DC output to a FWBR....then onto a DC cap...with a resistive load across it.....cos if he does....we all know what he will find.
Quote from: rave154 on September 27, 2010, 01:25:18 PM
i'll betcha anything....he doesnt do what i asked........ send the pulsed DC output to a FWBR....then onto a DC cap...with a resistive load across it.....cos if he does....we all know what he will find.
In resonance hunting, addition of any new component is likely to destroy the resonance condition.
It was a painful process. Once I achieved it and could repeat and reproduce it, I would stick to my guns.
Produce the prototypes for those who can verify and confirm.You can do your own experiments.
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 27, 2010, 05:05:04 PM
In resonance hunting, addition of any new component is likely to destroy the resonance condition.
But then you have to learn what resonance is first ::)
cause you aint know shite :D
For the circuit collectors
Quote from: rave154 on September 25, 2010, 09:20:57 AM
oh dear.......chris....now i see..
hes basing his outputs wattage and therefore his COP.....on the peak voltage & peak current
???
The gentleman has no concept of how to measure power. To him, peak values is all you need to prove O.U. What a dork!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 27, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
For the circuit collectors
The ? is just a LED as in the standard Joule Thief circuits. Thanks for tidying it up.
This circuit is being reproduced for the Unviersities in Hong Kong, China and USA. Much more could have been done. But the decision is to keep things simple. As long as the results can demonstrate overunity, no addistional components will be added. The actual experiment values vary as the toroids are hand wound; the components are hand soldered; the parts are purchased at the lowest price with no quality guarantee. The skill of the person also makes significant differences. I shall show the result of every prototype targeted for USA.
A marginal Prototype
The prototype used a thicker (0.5 inch) one inch toroid. The result was very poor. I had to put two 1 K ohm resistors in parallel in the Joule Thief to get it to light up the two LEDs.
The Output Power = 0.58 watt
COP = 2
(based on peak-to-peak)
This shows that slight changes make big difference as expected in resonance hunting environment.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 26, 2010, 02:30:47 PM
This is exactly correct. The amp draw was 10,000 times higher for that brief amount of time.
Cap to cap will tell the tale, one way or the other.
Yes, but watch rated voltage.
Since Tseung plans to light an entire christmas tree lights... and since he hasnt plaigersied bedini's work yet ( has he? )...
perhaps the attatched circuit might be just what hes looking for.
Please note, when constructing this circuit it is essential that only the illustrated load tree will work as placing any other device will ruin the "resonance".
Also note that the Elf's MUST be Lead-Out Energy Elf's....using any other type will result in failure to find OU with this circuit. You can just about any transistor you wish as long as its coloured red & green.
Also please note, the red & green pattern of the Elf's hats are in sync, while the red & green pattern of their socks are 180 degrees out of phase, this is ESSENTIAL in order to Lead Out the electron Motion energy.
Rave:
Shouldn't the Santas in series be connected to the north pole? Otherwise I think your circuit will work just fine. Nice work.
Bill
dammit pirate.......i knew id missed something ( good joke btw, high 5 )
btw, when i recomended that he take the output to a FWBR..then onto a DC Cap with a load across it.....i JUST KNEW he was gona say..." but if you connect a different kind of load then it changes the 'resonance' "
therefore......Tseung........since youre so good at "resonance hunting".....plug the out put to a FWBR.....then onto a DC cap..with a load resistor across it......and do some resonance hunting.......and come back and astound us all with some pure DC output wattage results.......if you do this.....i will be the first to congratulate you ( and i mean that sincerely btw)
Conversation with Inventor Q
Inventor Q: “Do you intend to bring the large 1 second flashing FLEET to USA?â€
Tseung: “I intend to bring a few working one-inch toroid FLEETs. They are easy to carry and cost less than US$3.00. I can afford to give them away to Universities and Research Organizations. I am sure that I can find the large commercial toroids in US or via the Internet.â€
Inventor Q: “How about the smaller GEX-50s?â€
Tseung: “My immediate goal is to get the US Universities to verify and confirm overunity. The small FLEET units can do. Once we get their attention, much more resources will be available.â€
Inventor Q: “Do you want to show the solar cell key rings, the lighting of the 108 LEDs, the Feedback etc?â€
Tseung: “No. The focus is on the Lead-out Energy Theory and a working prototype. I expect the Universities will take apart the prototypes and rebuild them. I shall even provide them with the components. I purchased at wholesale price 1,000 LEDs, 1,000 2N2222s, 1,000 resistors at 1 ohm, 10 ohm, 100 ohm and 1K ohms. The Gadgetmail style winding requires 7 feet of wire only. I have enough for at least 100 as I had to purchase in kilograms.â€
Inventor Q: “What do you think the Chinese Government will do? Will your going to US upset them?â€
Tseung: “They knew my every step via Lee Cheung Kin, Tong Po Chi and Dr. Raymond Ting. These individuals all have direct contact with the Chinese Government. My posts in the overunity.com forum will not escape their attention. I shall leave a few prototypes behind at the Hong Kong Universities. There are at least 12 groups in Hong Kong who can reproduce the two oscilloscope experiment.â€
Inventor Q: “I am grateful that you taught me so much. However, I would like to keep some information that may have commercial value confidential. I hate to get insulted on the Internet. There is nothing to gain. You did not get any real investment with all your disclosure.â€
Tseung: “I got good advice. However, I can prioritize and stick to my own goals and schedule. As far as I know, all the other teams in Hong Kong and China did not display their research information on the Internet. A few told me that I was stupid to share results of all the hard work openly. No investor will support such stupid actions.â€
Inventor Q: “I do not mind helping you build and verify a few more one-inch FLEETs for USA. It may be the way of the Almighty. No individual, organization or country can have exclusive ownership of this technology.â€
Quote from: rave154 on September 28, 2010, 10:51:19 AM
Since Tseung plans to light an entire christmas tree lights... and since he hasnt plaigersied bedini's work yet ( has he? )...
perhaps the attatched circuit might be just what hes looking for.
Please note, when constructing this circuit it is essential that only the illustrated load tree will work as placing any other device will ruin the "resonance".
Also note that the Elf's MUST be Lead-Out Energy Elf's....using any other type will result in failure to find OU with this circuit. You can just about any transistor you wish as long as its coloured red & green.
Also please note, the red & green pattern of the Elf's hats are in sync, while the red & green pattern of their socks are 180 degrees out of phase, this is ESSENTIAL in order to Lead Out the electron Motion energy.
HAHAHAHAHAHA :D
Quote
Tseung: “I intend to bring a few working one-inch toroid FLEETs. They are easy to carry and cost less than US$3.00. I can afford to give them away to Universities and Research Organizations. I am sure that I can find the large commercial toroids in US or via the Internet.â€
...
Maybe the link posted by @dllabarre will be of some help to you.
http://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/FerToro/FerToro-3.html
Pirate,
I guess you missed my last message to you.
QuotePirate,
Anything that is attracted to a magnet is Ferromagnetic or has Ferromagnetic components.
I completely respect you and all you have done, but at this point I am going to call you out.
"Is the piece of Ferrite you referred to attracted to a magnet?"
If so, then it possesses randomly oriented magnetic dipoles (within domains)
powered by unpaired infinitely spinning electrons
that (in this case) rotate on a dime to amplify the magnetic field of a coil by 50,000 times or so.
Whatever the Magnetic Permeability is.. THAT's how much it amplifies the field of a given coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the relative permeability (Magnetic Permeability) of the material within the solenoid.
Only Ferromagnetic Materials have a Permeability significantly greater than 1.. like 5,000 or 100,000.
In other words... ParaMagnetic & DiaMagnetic Materials have a Magnetic Permeability of ~1.
If you are using a material of High Magnetic Permeability.. it is most Definitely Ferromagnetic.
The diagram below describes what I am talking about.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Because you understand quite a bit of the JT Circuits with Ferrite Cores,
I feel it is important that you understand that a Ferrite core (or anything noticably magnetic)
is Ferromagnetic and thus utilizes the Magnetic Energy of Free Unpaired Electron Spin.
It is imperative to understand that the Magnetic Permeability of a core
represents the amount of times the magnetic field of coil is amplified.So if your cores have a MP of 50,000 then that is the amount of times it amplifies the coil's magnetic field.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I didn't miss it. I have worked with ferrites, and other ceramic materials for over 20 years in an engineering capacity so I know you are incorrect. Ceramic is not metal.
Bill
Pirate,
Hmm,
I do have a degree in Physics and extensively studied Magnetism in my thread...
Topic: Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg101674#msg101674
I'm the only one still talking ! So either I'm nuts or brilliant. ;o)~
According to my Physics 101 book almost every material falls into 3 classifications.
1. Diamagnetic materials have a weak, negative susceptibility to magnetic fields.
2. Paramagnetic materials have a small, positive susceptibility to magnetic fields
3. Ferromagnetic materials have a large, positive susceptibility to an external magnetic field.
If your core does not attract to a magnet.. PLEASE tell me !
Up to this point I assumed any good JT needed a core
that attracted nicely to a magnet and had low hysteresis loss (meaning retains basically no magnetism).
That's all.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on September 28, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
If your core does not attract to a magnet.. PLEASE tell me !
Up to this point I assumed any good JT needed a core
that attracted nicely to a magnet and had low hysteresis loss (meaning retains basically no magnetism).
That's all.
Best Regards,
The Observer
a ferrite core is not necessary. i demonstrated this early on in the jt thread with an aircore jt.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg143373#msg143373
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg188872#msg188872
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 28, 2010, 05:59:58 PM
Maybe the link posted by @dllabarre will be of some help to you.
http://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/FerToro/FerToro-3.html
Thank you. On the safe side, I shall buy a few dozen of the working toroid cores in Shenzhen and bring them over to USA. I deliberately tried a 1.3 Inch Toroid and no matter how I tuned, I failed to get overunity. At this point in time, lead-out energy resonance hunting is still a “try and see†technique.
Once we get a good result, document and try to reproduce as closely as possible. When I get to USA, I shall again experiment with some of the locally available material. My existing and the coming prototypes will be based on those cores from Shenzhen. Just hope that the batch has same properties.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 28, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
a ferrite core is not necessary. i demonstrated this early on in the jt thread with an aircore jt.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg143373#msg143373
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg188872#msg188872
Agree.
Wilby,
Thanks, but the full question is...
"Can you build a JT that lights a 13 W CFL lightbulb for an appreciable time that does not use a "good" Ferromagnetic Core?"
The discussion turned to ... "what is a Ferromagnetic Substance and what properties does it exhibit?"
I think a Ferrite Core is Ferromagnetic... and Pirate does not.
It's a fair subject and I thank Pirate for entertaining my thoughts.
So now that you know the full question/s... how bout your input?
Best Regards,
The Observer
Rescued the failed 1.3 inch toroid.
I stared at the failed toroid. I then went to the swimming pool.
In the much more relaxed atmosphere, I asked the question:
In the failed Toroid, there were gaps showing the core material. With the successful ones, there were hardly any such gaps.
I then took out all the windings and started to rewind and reduce the gaps. The windings were then 22 turns Joule Thief and 45 turns transformer. To my delight, it worked. The performance was not great but overunity was again demonstrated.
It worked good :)
now you have 20 days to build the 1000 Watt unit and show it to us.
@tseung
Lady @jeanna has a fail safe way of winding a toroid in order to get the maximum from it. I dont know where she posted it.
But it is something like winding certain amount and then substracting or adding to it according to brightness or something like that.
Jesus
Quote from: XS-NRG on September 29, 2010, 07:41:44 AM
It worked good :)
now you have 20 days to build the 1000 Watt unit and show it to us.
I wouldn't hold my breadth! He had 5 years of talk and that's all you can expect since he's only a wannabe O.U 'researcher'.
Oh, if Tseung had any ability or truly developed real O.U, Li Ka Shing, the famous multi-billionaire philanthropist from Hong Kong would have thrown some bones down at old dog Tseung for him to build a research center!
Look, Mr. Li just threw $90M to a certain university down the road from where I live.
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_16210487
Well, Mr. Tseung really don't need to travel to Irvine to demo. toys anyone can buy in a toy shop in Hong Kong. Life is extra-ordinary complicated when delusion runs rampant.
cheers
chrisC
Cold chills from under the bridge dweller. Chris where are your ideas, your plans, ANY constructive or positive comments. Cold beneath that bridge, huh? Oh that is right only strokes from other na sayers can be found.
Only one life, and it will soon be past. Only what is done with honor will last.
The Workshop and Presentation at Hong Kong University on Oct 9, 2010
Date: Oct 9, 2010 (Saturday)
Time: 11:30 am to 6 pm
Venue: Rm 737, 7/F, Haking Wong Building, the University of Hong Kong, Pokfulam Road.
This workshop will have a different format compared with the previous ones.
Starting at 11:30 am, we shall conduct a hands-on session. Participants will actually wound the toroids, build the circuits and test the result on the oscilloscopes. We hope to have at least two working prototypes done by the participants.
Starting at 3:30 pm, we shall do the seminar session. The topics include:
1. The Lead-out Energy Theory
2. Brief review of some of the overunity research known on the Internet
3. The Joule Thief Circuit and its enhancements
4. The demonstration that will be done in November 2010 in US.
5. Some potential improvements in the near future
6. Comments and Questions
Attendance is free. You are welcome to bring your cameras.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedling Innovate Foundation Limited
ohh goody.....they get to wind their own toroids....
after reading this, i think the chances of my christmas OU Lead Out circuit producing OU just went up a notch
Quote from: Hope on September 30, 2010, 03:39:44 AM
Cold chills from under the bridge dweller. ....
Only one life, and it will soon be past. Only what is done with honor will last.
You need HOPE? We'll going to a liquor store to buy health drinks won't work. Get real people! Stop this stupid talk of O.U 'experiments' from old dog Tseung. Are you delusional like he is?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on September 30, 2010, 09:19:03 AM
Stop this stupid talk of O.U 'experiments' from old dog Tseung.
cheers
chrisC
Dear Stefan,
Is it not time to kick this guy off the board? He serves us no
purpose and increases site traffic.
Yours sincerely,
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on September 30, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
Dear Stefan,
Is it not time to kick this guy off the board? He serves us no
purpose and increases site traffic.
Yours sincerely,
Paul.
Your one-liner responses sure helped advanced O.U research for crying out loud. The British weather sure did you in.
When I was student in England many moons ago, I never understood why the British all seemed so gloomy, especially on trains; keeping to themselves reading their Sun (page 3) newspapers, never smiling, never talking - the same gloom and doom like their weather! Well, Paul, you just solved my age old questions! You're a product of your weather system, always raining, always wet ....blimey!
cheers
chrisC
ONE THOUSANT WATTS!!!
1 0 0 0 Watts or 1 Kilowatt :) by Mister Lawrence Tseung
I'm getting exited :)
Quote from: Paul-R on September 30, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
Dear Stefan,
Is it not time to kick this guy off the board? He serves us no
purpose and increases site traffic.
Yours sincerely,
Paul.
Shame on you buddy. What kind of request is that? Tseung is the one who increases site traffic + waste other ppl time and possibly money.
CONFIRM a single of his claims before asking such things.... Have you read this thread from the start? I doubt it...
Look at the promisses look at the needs and then look at results - wich part aint clear yet? What happen with 50W output device? What happen to 1KW device? You so naive.. same goes to Hope..
Minde
Tseung still has some days left to quickly build and show the ONE KILOWATT unit.
If he does not deliver like he announced he will be removed from the forum and his time here with us will be over.
The more professional looking prototype
Aaron and I went to Hong Kong University and met with Prof. Dennis Leung. We presented the two prototypes targeted for USA. The first one was the best configuration built by Tseung with COP = 195 and Output Power = 12 watts (peak-to-peak). The second one was built by Aaron on a circuit board with COP = 129 and Output Power = 1.5 watts (peak-to-peak).
Prof. Leung: “I can see the results on the oscilloscope. They are not hoaxes. However, I would like to use our own oscilloscopes and data loggers to do additional verification and confirmation.â€
Tseung: “We can build one for you right now in your laboratory. We need to do that in the Oct 9 workshop in any case. Would you like the quick version or the professional looking version?â€
Prof. Leung: “The professional version.â€
Aaron then spent a couple of hours building a professional version for Hong Kong University. The variable resistor should be 100 ohms. But we did not have that in our possession. We then used the 1K ohm version knowing that it might affect the performance. Sure enough, the device worked but with a COP = 5 only.
Aaron: “I shall have a batch of toroids, variable resistors etc. from Shenzhen tomorrow. I shall build a better one for Hong Kong University in the next few days.â€
Tseung: “Can you build at least 2 good-looking ones for me for USA?â€
Aaron: “I may try a mass production version for your Book. Remember that I am an Industrial Design Engineer.â€
The decision is to show and leave the good-looking ones for the Universities. However, in the workshops, we may do the quick and dirty version.
Quote
From the Joule Thief Thread:
One guy tuned the output of a Joule Thief to resonate an ignition coil... that lit up 2 CFLs at Resonance.
This guy is brilliant !!!
I believe this is the direction to go...
as one might gather from my
(((((Why is an Acoustic Guitar louder than Electric Guitar ?))))) Thread.
I assert here quite heavily
against a stiff wind of opposition
that Resonance is a Phenomenon that
deserves A LOT of attention in an OU Forum.
In short, if you are just getting to know me... I say there are 2 legit sources of Free Energy I can see.
1. Ferromagnetics... that utilize free electron spin magnetic dipoles.
2. Forced Resonance... Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1 when only 1 is struck.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
I think you made the very important point here. Energy can be lead-out or brought into the system with
Ferromagnetics and forced resonance.
I just built another prototype for US using the commercially available 1 inch choke. I put the JT winding on top of the existing winding. After much tuning, I got it to produce 0.4 watts and COP = 8 (peak-to-peak). It could demonstrate overunity but was nothing close to the Output = 12 watts and COP =195 prototype.
I shall focus on producing a number of “identical best†prototypes for the academics in Hong Kong, China and USA. The goal is for them to verify and confirm overunity. Providing instructions and using similar material are not enough to produce high performance prototypes.
Small changes make big differences in the resonance world.
The Pendulum Toy for USA
Lee: “Are you bringing the Pendulum Toy to USA and use it to illustrate leading-out of Gravitational Energy? People may laugh at you. The toy has been around for years. They will not take you seriously.â€
Tseung: “Many scientists already wondered why so little energy was required. Some of these toys produced pretty loud sound at the end of each swing.â€
Chan: “As I understand it, the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory can be explained via the physics of horizontal and vertical work. Normally, a horizontal force cannot do vertical work unless a machine is involved. In the case of a pendulum, a horizontal pull will raise the pendulum bob. Some will attribute that to some kind of pulley type machine system. Lee-Teung theory explains that the vertical work is done via the tension of the string. That part cannot be disputed. The part under dispute is â€" the energy to do the vertical work comes from Gravity. Is that correct?â€
Lee:†Correct. The Lead-Out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. It just brings energy from the surrounding. The horizontally pulled pendulum leads out gravitational energy during the pull. Thus the best time for the pull is when the pendulum is at its maximum displaced position. The frequency of the pull (or the pulse) is extremely important. It can be thought as a resonance behavior.â€
Tseung: “I do not mind showing the simple toy. Toy manufacturers are already using lead-out energy without realizing it. Scientists and academic professors should look at the results scientifically. They should not just dismiss the result with the statement â€" it is just solar energy. Once they understand it, they can understand FLEET. The FLEET devices to be shown all have COP greater than 100.â€
Chan: “You can now mass produce these one-inch enhanced Joule Thief Toroids. Your results can be confirmed by many on the Joule Thief Thread. Some of their results are more impressive than yours. However, you are the first one to propose the two oscilloscope experiment and confirm overunity.â€
Lee: “Good Luck. When you see Todd and Nora, say hello for me.â€
well folks....i guess we really should have anticipated it...
Mickey Mouse for the Lead out Gravity energy
and
Minnie Mouse for Lead out Electrom motion energy
let me jump ahead and see where this might be going.....
Pluto for Leadout String theory positron manipulation Energy
and...the three little pigs for for any other idea/s that come along that can possibly be shoe-horned into "Lead Out" theory
Tseung,
You said...
Quote
I think you made the very important point here. Energy can be lead-out or brought into the system with
Ferromagnetics and forced resonance.
All I can say is...
Now We're Talking !Why don't you try...
1. A Joule Thief tuned to resonate an Ignition Coil. (lights a CFL)
2. A Joule Thief tuned to resonate 2 Ignition Coils (identical coils with Identical Resonant Frequencies).
3. The output of Coil 1 going into the Input of Coil 2 from suggestion #2.
4. Find out how many Ignition Coils could be resonated by a single Joule Thief?
You're going to need to light up some CFLs with a 1.5 V AA.. if you are going to really impress anyone on your trip.
The JT/Ignition Coil method seems like the simplest and most demonstrative of Resonance coupled with Ferromagnetics.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Or, the Jeanna circuit will do this easily. Stick with leds, cfls and floro tubes are things of the past in my opinion.
Bill
Quote from: The Observer on October 03, 2010, 12:42:54 AM
1. A Joule Thief tuned to resonate an Ignition Coil. (lights a CFL)
2. A Joule Thief tuned to resonate 2 Ignition Coils (identical coils with Identical Resonant Frequencies).
3. The output of Coil 1 going into the Input of Coil 2 from suggestion #2.
4. Find out how many Ignition Coils could be resonated by a single Joule Thief?
Best Regards,
The Observer
hey
you got a video or something of the ignition coils..
i like high voltage..
robbie
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 03, 2010, 01:19:13 AM
Or, the Jeanna circuit will do this easily. Stick with leds, cfls and floro tubes are things of the past in my opinion.
Bill
Can you pin point the Jeanna circuit for us? Thank you.
Kooler,
I saw a guy on You Tube Resonate an Ignition Coil with the output of a Joule Thief.
The Secondary of the Coil then Lights up a CFL.. actually i think it's 2.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 03, 2010, 04:09:04 AM
Can you pin point the Jeanna circuit for us? Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/92/11nzbi59T7w (http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/92/11nzbi59T7w)
and
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/93/KAakZTR_4LE (http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/93/KAakZTR_4LE)
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 03, 2010, 05:08:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/92/11nzbi59T7w (http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/92/11nzbi59T7w)
and
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/93/KAakZTR_4LE (http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/93/KAakZTR_4LE)
Bill
Thank you Bill and please send my admiration to Lady Jeanna. She did much wonderful work. We could stand on her shoulders. Her light will shine brighter and further.
All Circuits and schematics like this (and more professional) are usually and well know
since over 40 years. (i worked with them)
Belive, this ist not the way to bring LIGHT
to your mind, to find so new ways.
(even if air ferrit or iron core. Never OU
to find. Any way: MORE INPUT than OUTPUT.
Unessecary for discussion : "why"
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
17 days :)
are you going to light 1000 Watts with LED's or when are you going to burn filament bulbs? :D
@pese
Very nice post really. But it will be simply ignored by tseung.. like everyone elses. He will continue his fairy tales like hes been doing for months now. COP will probably go into thousands soon..but still with LED's... and 2n2222s... wich cant handle "more power"... so he cant expirement with higher input/output as he said before.
There must be another reason why hes running this spam. And please dont tell me hes is paranoid or crazy or etc..
Also couple of post ago someone mentioned "unecessary traffic" here... for some is unecessary for some its is very necessary indeed.. So sad..
Minde
16 Days and counting :)
Stefan is back from his holiday
XS,
Do you have anything better to do or put on your calender?
Jesus dude, get a life.
Yes... we all know LT is a big talker.
Get over it and try some of your own experiments.
If you have a lack of ideas, I can help you.
Best Regards,
The Observer
observer, take a walk
you know nothing about me, my experiments or my life
i do know about your ideas and i don't need them so you may keep them HAHA
Quote from: The Observer on October 04, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
XS,
Do you have anything better to do or put on your calender?
Jesus dude, get a life.
Yes... we all know LT is a big talker.
Get over it and try some of your own experiments.
If you have a lack of ideas, I can help you.
Best Regards,
The Observer
The Observer (Jese ?)
I agree with you, as this is a public thread and therefore nobody is obliged to read it.
PS. thanks for your kind reply in the JT thread.
@ L. Tseung
First of all, thank you for sharing part of your work. My best wishes for your success.
Of course there are expressions like "Tseung enhanced Joule Thief" referring to a device that can be found in great detail (with schematics) in the Joule Thief thread and made by others, is a little shoking, but at last, I hope that you´ll honour your word, and give the money of the overunity prize to Gadgetmail, (if you do not reach the prize, you can always give him economical support through your non-profit foundation)
regards
Alvaro
Quote from: pese on October 03, 2010, 07:40:24 AM
All Circuits and schematics like this (and more professional) are usually and well know
since over 40 years. (i worked with them)
Belive, this ist not the way to bring LIGHT
to your mind, to find so new ways.
(even if air ferrit or iron core. Never OU
to find. Any way: MORE INPUT than OUTPUT.
Unessecary for discussion : "why"
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
Dear Pese,
I read some of the information on your website. You did some very impressive work and I do appreciate your experience and advice. Forty Years is a long time for a person but is relatively short in the research world â€" especially a ground-breaking invention that will change the future of the Human Race.
Please read the following post and attachment carefully:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg259590#msg259590
I am so convinced on the Lead-out Energy Theory because it is based on solid Physics and Mathematics.
If energy can be lead-out or brought-in from the surrounding, there will be no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. All we need is to demonstrate ONE absolutely correct and reproducible example. The horizontally pulse-pulled pendulum is such an example.
Some less theoretically minded scientists or engineers said: “Show me an actual working example.†That statement took me seven years. Now I can reproduce the gadgetmail type enhanced Joule Thief in massive quantities. That prototype costs less than HK$20. You can use it to demonstrate overunity if you have one or two oscilloscopes.
I shall be willing to mail one to you free for your evaluation. There will be many similar prototypes in Hong Kong, China and USA. I do not mind you and others reproducing them in Europe. You may even commercialize it without paying me anything. The only request is that â€" if you make money, donate 10% of the profit to charitable organizations of your choice. I recommend Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited based in Hong Kong.
I shall mail one to Stefan after the verifications at the various universities. Another person who will receive a prototype is Patrick Kelly. Including you, there will be three persons or groups in Europe with working overunity prototypes. Included in the prototype will be the photos of the two oscilloscope experiments and the confirmation and verification certificates.
You are not the only one who spent over 40 years and could not find or built overunity devices. I do not consider that I am the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. Thousand might have tried but missed the resonance conditions.
If you want, you may post your address here. If you prefer, send me a private personal message via this forum. I look forward to your verification and confirmation.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on October 04, 2010, 11:28:42 AM
@ L. Tseung
First of all, thank you for sharing part of your work. My best wishes for your success.
Of course there are expressions like "Tseung enhanced Joule Thief" referring to a device that can be found in great detail (with schematics) in the Joule Thief thread and made by others, is a little shoking, but at last, I hope that you´ll honour your word, and give the money of the overunity prize to Gadgetmail, (if you do not reach the prize, you can always give him economical support through your non-profit foundation)
regards
Alvaro
Dear Alvaro,
Thank you for your encouragement. Many in the JT thread have done wonderful work. Few are willing to openly admit that they have achieved overunity. Even fewer are willing to send their prototypes to top universities for verification and confirmation. Even Bill did not do that.
The difficulty is the amount of tuning required to get the enhanced JT to exhibit overunity. I have done dozens of enhanced JTs and only now, I can claim success in massively reproducing them. Each one has to be individually tuned and verified. (It is just like the piano - you need a professional tuner to follow-up after the piano is made and delivered to your home.) I do more tuning than creating!
Making the basic JT is relatively easy. Enhancing it to conclusively demonstrate overunity is much, much more difficult.If you want, you can say that I am not an inventor. I never treat myself as the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. The prototypes sent to universities are NOT my creations. I stood on the shoulders of Bill, Jeanna and the like.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
well you still got 15 days dude :)
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 04, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
Dear Pese,
I read some of the information on your website. You did some very impressive work and I do appreciate your experience and advice. Forty Years is a long time for a person but is relatively short in the research world â€" especially a ground-breaking invention that will change the future of the Human Race.
Please read the following post and attachment carefully:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg259590#msg259590
I am so convinced on the Lead-out Energy Theory because it is based on solid Physics and Mathematics. If energy can be lead-out or brought-in from the surrounding, there will be no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. All we need is to demonstrate ONE absolutely correct and reproducible example. The horizontally pulse-pulled pendulum is such an example.
Some less theoretically minded scientists or engineers said: “Show me an actual working example.†That statement took me seven years. Now I can reproduce the gadgetmail type enhanced Joule Thief in massive quantities. That prototype costs less than HK$20. You can use it to demonstrate overunity if you have one or two oscilloscopes.
I shall be willing to mail one to you free for your evaluation. There will be many similar prototypes in Hong Kong, China and USA. I do not mind you and others reproducing them in Europe. You may even commercialize it without paying me anything. The only request is that â€" if you make money, donate 10% of the profit to charitable organizations of your choice. I recommend Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited based in Hong Kong.
I shall mail one to Stefan after the verifications at the various universities. Another person who will receive a prototype is Patrick Kelly. Including you, there will be three persons or groups in Europe with working overunity prototypes. Included in the prototype will be the photos of the two oscilloscope experiments and the confirmation and verification certificates.
You are not the only one who spent over 40 years and could not find or built overunity devices. I do not consider that I am the inventor. It is the Almighty working miracles through me. Thousand might have tried but missed the resonance conditions.
If you want, you may post your address here. If you prefer, send me a private personal message via this forum. I look forward to your verification and confirmation.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Dear Mister Tseung,
i see our Work any your try to envelop Free Energy from Thief and other
Oscillating circuits.
Tat J Thief is nothing more than over 50years good-know inverter, blocking oszillator
and other circuits that mostly ,not more than , simplified,
unprofessionals tries to produce some OUTPUT , without to understand
than ANY TIME, more INPUT was need to LIGHT an lamp".
With some more attention, anybody will (can?) understand,
to become "light" in mind and knowledges, THAT this is NOT the way.
SAME IS TRUE for all BEDINI , TESLA SWITCH , ED GRAY , and
some more.
BUT: I cant teach you (or others) ...
I am specialised in Semiconductor an Vacuum tube technogy,
and i am shure : In this technoly . It is NOTHING to find,
also that can never compare with TESLA technolgy.
(Also Teslas "Pierce Arrow" with his 70L7 vakuum tbes,
have NOTHING to to , with usuala Tune Technology as we
was examined...
------------------
So , Sorry.... It is an hard way for all..
Pese
my last postings in overunity was:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9766.msg257638#msg257638
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg259769#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg259769#new
XS,
Jesus Fucking Christ Dude,
Thanks for the nasty email you sent me !
Is picking a fight all you wanna do around here ?
Tseung said his 'chances of a 1000 W device were excellent.'
This a goal, not a promise... MeatHead.
You obviously have no genuine interest in the stated goal as you wanna sit on the sidelines and heckle.
If you got no interest.. then please do not click on this thread.
Yea, I heckled CletusHowel..
cause he started 15 threads of pure nonsense and was clogging up the forum with 10 posts per day.
Tseung has 1 thread he posts in about once per day.
It's not that bad XS, honestly.
Just cross your little date off the calender and move on with your life.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Nope, and stop telling me wat to do
Tseung is deliberatly wasting people's time and it has got to end
Lawrence Tseung alias The great pretender.
XS are you assuming you speak for the forum admin? Where are your contributions here? We believe in effort not negative comments. Show us your builds, projects, ideas maybe we can help. We have heard and been taught the CAN's for many years. Like an elephant tethered only by our "misdirected schooling's". So forgive us if we seem in new territory. It is this way when we lose faith in any value or ideal. We seek to fill the gap in a childlike way, due to most of these ideals were accepted when we were young. Even I , an digital/analog circuit designed, must constantly put the "can't be done" thoughts aside to make room for what is possible but unknown.
And I do not speak for anyone but myself, but I do understand our group goals and community.
Since this thread is awaiting new input. I found the article about easy storage for hho gas finally ( on the LAST day my HISTORY was holding) :) http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/ohmasa-gas-makes-water-as-fuel-more-feasible
Quote from: Hope on October 05, 2010, 12:11:12 PM
XS are you assuming you speak for the forum admin? Where are your contributions here? We believe in effort not negative comments. Show us your builds, projects, ideas maybe we can help. We have heard and been taught the CAN's for many years. Like an elephant tethered only by our "misdirected schooling's". So forgive us if we seem in new territory. It is this way when we lose faith in any value or ideal. We seek to fill the gap in a childlike way, due to most of these ideals were accepted when we were young. Even I , an digital/analog circuit designed, must constantly put the "can't be done" thoughts aside to make room for what is possible but unknown.
And I do not speak for anyone but myself, but I do understand our group goals and community.
Dear Hope , i'm not showing you anything aslong as that Tseung twat is around because he will slap a LEAD OUT or FLEET sticker on it right away.
The parasite has got to go
XS,
You Said...
QuoteTseung is deliberatly wasting people's time and it has got to end
Lawrence Tseung alias The great pretender.
Whose time?
You're the one clicking on this dumbass.
YOU MADE a speculation by Tsueng.. a promise. And now you wake up every day hoping it hasn't occurred so you can act like you're smart and demean the man.
Do you understand that you are delusional?
Show me the promise made by Tsueng... and I'll shut up and let you continue your precious countdown.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. When someone gets around to resonating about 10 Ignition Coils from a single Joule Thief.. OU will be undeniable.
Why? Because many tuning forks ring louder and longer then just 1 when only 1 is struck.
Dear Observer,
Resonance is just a mere mechanism to store energy and there will be NO XS-NRG unless there is some external energy field present.
I am not delusional as you mentioned.
Tseung is the one that is delusional and i am sure you are all aware of that.
I suppose you are not aware that Mr Tseung is delaying the overall process but i can understand that because you have no idea as to how this is occuring and what's on hold because of all this.
Unless you want to wait for Tseung to switch from blinking a led to powering a Kilowatt of filament bulbs which is not going to happen.
And by the way things like meathead or dumbass do not add anything usefull at all so please stop using these items.
XS,
You took an optimistic speculation by another person... a goal at best, and turned it into a deadline.
Then beat the band to your own creation day in and day out...
That is a text book case of being delusional my friend
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. 1. An Acoustic Guitar Resonator Amplifies the Vibration of a String 1,000 times.
2. A Good Ferromagnetic Core Amplifies the Field of a Coil by 100,000 times with no extra current needed.
just because it has to end or it will go on forever.
i guess you will need to read the entire thread again.
Prepared Opening Speech at the Hong Kong University Workshop on Oct 9
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
As you all know, this will be the last workshop run by me in Hong Kong. I shall go to USA at the end of this month. Mr. Aaron Quant will take over my work and equipment in Hong Kong. Aaron will work with Prof. Dennis Leung to confirm and further improve the FLEET prototypes. Some of the planned prototypes include solar cells, Christmas Tree Lights, Reading Lamps and the 1 KW electricity generator.
I would like to use this opportunity to thank the many individuals or organizations who have helped me over the last seven years when I decided to take on Lead-Out Energy Research in Hong Kong and China.
The first person is Mr. Lee Cheung Kin. Mr. Lee is the first person who realized that gravitational energy could be lead-out from a horizontally pulse-pulled pendulum. He woke me up at 7:30am in Dec 2004 from the Hotel in Zhuhai. He showed me his pendulum toy (similar to one in here). We worked on the mathematics and the Lead-out Energy theory was born. Mr. Lee is working with the Chinese Military and all information is confidential. He did show a photo of a flying saucer toy and emailed it to Mr. Obama before Mr. Obama was elected President of USA. My contact in USA is an energy expert with the US army. I am sure that both Chinese and USA Governments are aware of lead-out energy and FLEET. I hope that such technology will benefit all human beings on Earth.
The second group is the Hong Kong Invention Association (HKIA) headed by Mr. Cheung King Fung, an over ninety-year young inventor. HKIA helped to introduce me to many other inventors, professors, factory owners and Government Officials. One important inventor was Mr. Wang She He who invented a magnetic motor that did not need anything to start. That invention uses coupling of rotating magnetic fluids and rotating magnets. Mr. Wang received funding from the Chinese Government and all information related to his project became confidential.
The third person is Mr. Tong Po Chi. He helped to produce the Tong Wheel that demonstrated overunity in August 2009. That device was shown to the General Public in many occasions including the Inno Tech Design Expo 2009 at the Hong Kong Convention Center. Over 10,000 visitors saw our exhibit and got our information. Aaron and team will build on that success at Inno Tech Design Expo 2010 this December.
The fourth group is the Institute of Energy of Hong Kong headed by Dr. James Wong. Dr. Wong introduced us to the first buyer of the Tong Wheel, Mr. Alan Li. Mr. Alan Li is a factory owner. He set up a team of eight engineers and now produced a Tong Wheel that could continuously generate 1 Horse Power of lead-out energy. Dr. Wong also introduced us to Mr. Conroy Cheng. Conroy is a member of the third richest family in Hong Kong. Convoy donated HK$50,000 to do the two oscilloscope experiment you are seeing today. He is funding Dr. James Wong and team to do further research on Lead-out energy.
The fifth group is the Academics of Hong Kong. These included many Professors at the various universities. They were willing to listen and check out the overunity prototypes. I am most grateful to Prof. Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University. Prof. Leung generously allowed us to demonstrate our inventions including the Tong Wheel and the FLEET devices at Hong Kong University. We could even do some work at his laboratory. He has to overcome the inevitable comment that we are working on impossible perpetual motion machines. He and his colleagues will help in the verification and confirmation of the lead-out energy theory and the FLEET prototypes.
The sixth group is the bright students introduced by Miss Forever Yuen. Forever is my adopted granddaughter. She helped to set up the websites, translate the information into Chinese and introduced many of her friends to help in the various shows. Her friends include Miller Tong, Chung Yu Ching, Debbie and others.
The last groups are my family members and personal friends. They provided both financial and emotional support over the years. Without their support, the lead-out energy theory and the working prototypes would not have been born.
***** The Technical presentation will follow.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Lawrence:
With all due respect, what about Gadgetmall? After all, you are using his design.
Bill
Correct! Gadgetmail was the originator of this circuit:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8334.0;attach=39146;image
Bloody Thief
What about me?
I need to be thanked.
I theorized years ago that a ferromagnetic core &/or resonance would be needed for OU.
I also beat the band to no end here about it (although few were interested).
When LT started this thread.. I said an embedded magnet would do nothing interesting for a Transformer.
I then strongly suggested LT look into a Joule Thief.. and resonating the core.
Wait... wait, forget it, I do not need to be thanked.
It's not about thanking.
The greatest thank there is, is imitation.
Pirate...Gadgetmall has been thanked many times by Tsueng.
He stated that money from the OU Prize would go to Gadgetmall when/if his setup works.
What more do you want?
Honestly, when the MIB come a looking,
I'm gunna point my finger at the old man and say "He did it, not me !".
Sorry LT. ;o)~
Stealing XS ?
What has been stolen?
Another delusion I suspect.
Did you at least put the date of this crime on your precious calender?
Keep going LT... and remember to thank yourself.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. When someone gets around to
Resonating multiple Ignition Coils (or the like) with a single Joule Thief,
the naysayers of this world are gunna have to take a seat.
Quote from: blueplanet on October 06, 2010, 06:38:35 AM
Correct! Gadgetmail was the originator of this circuit:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8334.0;attach=39146;image
With this design, you will never have mor output than 2 MILLI-WATTS!.
--------
Longtime , smal solarpanel for garden illumination existing
with 12,2 vots AA-NiCad.
WITHOT transformer coils to lght the LED !
No Overunity, Only "free" from SUN-POWER
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de
alternative link collection
GE / EN
i don't think the MIB are intrested in this HAHA :D
i hope someone will steal your work, observer
if you ever find it that is...
XS,
Finally we agree.
I hope someone 'steals' my work too.
As much as something that is given free can be stolen that is.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Observer:
Quote: "Pirate...Gadgetmall has been thanked many times by Tsueng.
He stated that money from the OU Prize would go to Gadgetmall when/if setup works. What more do you want?"
Well, he has said a lot of things now has he not? And, in his first opportunity to officially thank folks in a speech, Gadgetmall's name is no where to be found.
So, if this trend continues if would be logical to deduce that if/when he gets the prize, Gadgetmall's may be forgotten there also.
What more do I want? I want Gadgetmall to receive credit for HIS circuit, and not just on this forum page either, but in the "Official speech" and all other public areas as well. I also want peace on earth and goodwill toward men but I am not holding my breath for that either.
Bill
Pirate,
I agree with most of what you are saying.
But when things are more about
Who Did?
as opposed to
What Did?
You know the reptilian brain has kicked in.
Gadgetmall's one and only wish is that his work is utilized in a grand manner.
I doubt credit for it means little to him at this point.
Having said that...
Thanks for your work Gadget... you are brilliant.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Adding tribute to the Internet Forum MembersQuote from: ltseung888 on October 05, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Prepared Opening Speech at the Hong Kong University Workshop on Oct 9
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
As you all know, this will be the last workshop run by me in Hong Kong.……
The Seventh Group is the many persons on the Internet. This group is special because I never met them face-to-face. Most of them are known only by their usernames. The one that has most influence on the demonstration today is gadgetmail who got cancel and had to withdraw his submission to the overunity prize and stopped his research. As stated many times, I shall send a FLEET prototype to Stefan, the administrator of the overunity.com forum after the university verifications. The prize money will go to gadgetmail. Some helpful internet forum members include Observer, Hope, Pirate88179, Jeanna, Magluvin, Paul-R, FatBird, gyulasun and many more. They are willing to share the result of their research and provided much timely comments. I might have missed many other helpful forum members as the two threads now contained thousands of posts.
……
The last groups are my family members and personal friends. They provided both financial and emotional support over the years. Without their support, the lead-out energy theory and the working prototypes would not have been born.
***** The Technical presentation will follow.
Technical Session I for the Workshop at HKU on Oct 9, 2010
Lead-out Energy Theory
When we do experiments on overunity, there will be scientists ready to jump in with the statement â€" “Perpetual motion machines are theoretically impossible. It violates the Law of Conservation of Energy. Do not waste your time and our time.â€
The above is a correct statement both theoretically and practically. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only change from one form to another. However, we can always lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding. If we can do that, we have not violated the Law of Conservation of Energy. For example, when scientists did not know solar cells centuries ago, they did not know how to use sunlight directly even if they were exposed to bright sunlight. They might have a sense that sunlight was a form of energy because it could keep a person warm.
Most of the present day scientist knows that there is gravitational energy. Every object attracts every other object. This is an attraction force. When an object moves, it will move closer to some objects and further away to some other objects in its surrounding. Work is done when there is a force and a displacement. In other words, when we move, we are exchanging gravitational energy with our surrounding all the time. This is a scientific fact and is accepted by all well-informed scientists and physicists.
Scientists also know how to use gravitational energy in a one-shot mode. For example, water can flow out from a dam to turn turbines to generate electricity. However, the water has to be evaporated by the sun and come down as rain to fill up the dam again.
The big question is â€" can gravitational energy be used continuously? Can we continuously lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy similar to wind or solar energy? The YES answer has not been taught in schools and universities yet. The simplest example is a horizontally pulse-pulled pendulum. When we pull a pendulum horizontally, the pendulum bob will rise. Vertical work has been done. Previously, most scientists assumed that the pendulum could be considered as a simple machine and converted the horizontally supplied energy to vertical energy.
However, there is another possible and most likely the correct explanation. Gravitational or vertical energy was led-out or brought into the system. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy will be brought into the pendulum system. The following mathematical analysis proves the above statements. The conclusion is that for small angles, 2 parts of horizontally supplied energy can lead-out approximately 1 part of vertical, gravitational energy. In other words, 3 parts of energy goes into the pendulum system. The Coefficient of Performance (COP) which is the ratio of Output Energy over Input Energy is equal to 1.5 (3/2).
This is a very significant amount of lead-out energy. Toy manufacturers already used it for years in the solar or battery powered swinging toy. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was the first one to realize it in Dec 2004. He and I were given the video of a car produced by Dr. Liang Sing Yan of China. That car did not need any fuel to run and could recharge its own starting battery. Dr. Liang was accused of fraud because he could not explain the source of energy of his car. His car was impounded by the Police. That car used pulsed rotation to lead-out gravitational energy. When the Government experts took apart and reassembled the car, it failed to work.
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and I worked out the mathematics and realized that the Liang car was not a hoax. When we searched the Internet, we found many other claimed overunity devices. They could be explained by the lead-out energy theory. We now have a few HK$20 FLEET devices that can demonstrate overunity built by the participants in this workshop today. These overunity devices will be further confirmed and verified by the top academic institutions in Hong Kong, China, USA and other Countries.
*** The presentation slides on Lead-out Energy theory will then be presented.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
Technical Session II for the Workshop at HKU on Oct 9, 2010
The FLEET devices
FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. We discussed how gravitational energy could be lead-out in our first session. We now focus on how we can lead-out magnetic, electric or electromagnetic energy.
We shall start with the very simple Forever Yuen Experiment. We replace the pendulum bob with a magnet and put the system in a magnetic field produced by two powerful magnets above and below the bob. The period of oscillation will change. If we can lead-out gravitational energy, we can lead-out or bring-in magnetic energy in a similar fashion. Magnetic field is even better. We can control its strength and direction. We can turn it on and off.
Thus in our PCT patent application, we stated that we could lead-out magnetic energy via pulsing to oscillating, vibrating, rotating or flux change systems. Magnetic field can be thought of as produced by electrons rotating around the nucleus. Leading-out magnetic energy is equivalent to leading-out electron motion energy. (The well-known chemical energies are changes in the electron clouds around elements or compounds. They can be regarded as another form of electron motion energy.)
We are not only exchanging gravitational energy with the surrounding all the time. We are also constantly exchanging electron motion energy with our surroundings. There are trillions of electrons surrounding us. The lead-out energy machines orientate them in such a way that some of their energy flows into our system. Some of the energy will be replenished by the electrons closer to them Thus many lead-out energy machines run cold instead of hot. This is a powerful solution to our global warming problem.
Initially, Lee Cheung Kin and I thought that we could just promote the invention of an existing inventor and we would have working, demonstration prototypes. That turned out to be wishful thinking. Some inventors refused to meet us. Some inventors received funding from investors who wanted all development work confidential. Some inventors are associated with the Government and cannot disclose their work. Lee Cheung Kin was “recruited†by the Chinese military and he disappeared from the scene.
The first successful overunity prototype was the Tong Wheel produced by Mr. Tong Po Chi. That prototype used pulsed rotation with stator coils that can be configured either as either drive coils or collector coils. These pulsed coils interact with permanent magnets on a rotating wheel. The rate of rotation was governed by a proximity switch. We achieved overunity in summer 2009 with COP = 3 and actual output power of less than 5 watts.
Rasa, a medical doctor working with a group in China came to visit. He wanted to place orders for three wheels. He casually asked whether the size can be reduced so that he could put it in a suitcase. The answer was that with rotational systems like the Tong Wheel, that was impossible. We might have to research into motionless, flux change systems. That was the start of FLEET in the early months of 2010.
You can follow the development of FLEET via the thread in overunity.com titled “Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnetsâ€. The research quickly evolved to lead-out energy resonance hunting systems with pulsing source and LCR tuning circuits. We were influenced by the work of the late Stanley Mayer, the Steven Mark TPU and the gadgetmail heater.
The prototypes you are seeing today will be shown in UC Irvine next month. The presentation and demonstration will be coordinated by an US Army Energy Expert, Todd Hallaway. I promised to give him two working prototypes.
The first prototype uses the quick and dirty soldering method. It has a COP of 200 and an Output Power of 12 watts peak-to-peak. You are welcome to take picture and adjust the two oscilloscopes yourself. Some have already done that earlier on in the hands-on workshop.
The second prototype was done by Aaron Quant professionally on a circuit board. It has a COP of 130 and an Output Power of 1.5 watts peak-to-peak.
There are a number of other prototypes built earlier by the participants in the workshop. I shall let them demonstrate the fruit of their research. The passing criteria is COP greater than 1.
In addition, there is a one-second flasher that has been running for over 8 weeks nonstop. It has been running in the Office of Prof. Dennis Leung in the last 3 weeks and is expected to flash well beyond the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010 in Dec 2-4 at the Hong Kong Convention Center.
Optionally, Aaron will demonstrate his solar light keychain that can light up 108 LEDs; a non-flashing (or flashing at 38 Hertz) toroid modified from the commercially available GEX-50. Aaron will take over my equipment and research in Hong Kong when I go to USA.
Have fun. Feel free to touch the prototype, take pictures and ask questions. The seasoned and the just trained enthusiastic “experts†are here today. If you break them, they can fix them.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Planned Discussion Session Questions for the Oct 9 workshop at HKU
1. Do you believe that the Chinese, USA and other Countries already developed some form of Lead-out Energy Machines but are keeping them secret because of the vast military significance?
2. Do you really believe in the Steven Mark TPU video? Can it possibly be real?
3. What are the difficulties with lead-out energy resonance hunting? How different is it from sound resonance?
4. How different is your existing FLEET demonstration from the gadgetmail device described on the overunity.com forum?
5. What do you think the Hong Kong and Chinese Governments will do when you demonstrate your FLEET prototype in USA?
6. If Lead-out Energy Theory is so simple and the FLEET prototype is so cheap to reproduce, what is the reason that you are not getting financial support in Hong Kong and China?
7. Why are there so much negative comments on the Internet on you and on FLEET?
8. What is your reaction to the many negative comments on the Internet and in other circles?
9. Do you really think that an old, retired man like you with no financial resources or support can win against the existing powerful oil interests and military concerns?
10. How would the power structure of the World change if Lead-Out Energy is readily available?
11. What do you think will be the outcome of your demonstration and presentation in USA?
12. What will you say to those who accuse you of stealing ideas from others on the Internet?
You are welcome to raise more questions now or later.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
like i said a while back......
Walter Mitty
;D
He is still trying...
Its like waterforfuel.com kevin west guy... feeding of other people hard work... always asking for donations.. always no money for stuff.. always needs money for parts for his jeep... its been going on for years... Check his blog and "supposibly" always positive feedback.. IF you leave feedback - its always pending for approval - in case your feedback is negative - it will never be posted.. instead you will receive email from kevin with many words of how you are dumb douche fuck piss noob and etc... (just try this and you will see what I am talking about).
Just an exemple/reply to his ltseungs "7. Why are there so much negative comments on the Internet on you and on FLEET?"
Good thing he cant delete post over here ;D
Minde
@all
Wow , controversy the jt again go build one ...
I love that little circuit so much that i decided to devote one year to it , my first discovery was the pickup coil , and the second one was tuning , yet no one even mention me :'( . Well most of you forgot about me :-[ i haven't been around much lately >:( busy summer ...
What i know is matter has a resonant freq , any wire is matter and if you know the freq at witch it reacts it will putout the key is the freq .
The core will work at many different freq and voltages , usually there are predictable formula that could determine the out come , most people leaves it there because it is predictable therefore reliable and can be built up into circuits , and tend to stay away from unplanned result . This head in the sand technique brought us the joys of the modern era , not bad but missing learning opportunities at the same time .
I think you can test any wire using the method used to find quarts freq , there are more then one power nodes , and there are millions of freq good luck , that is where most fail ...
Usually if you find a freq power node , divide the freq by 2 and check if and try multiplied by 2 also , to make sure your freq is the root freq not the harmonic .
I know most of you don't understand what i am saying , but i did prove the potential of adding a secondary and that tuning is essential even gave details on procedures . Two years later i think my investment has payed off , but we are not done yet . If the circuit can get attention from universities around the world great , but the people had it first that is how it should be anyway .
When you what to selflessly help your brothers , you get access greater knowledge , if you what to help your self the only knowledge you get is the one you can steel or grasp , its only nature .
I hope my friend Gadget is still waking .
Mark
@mk1
Do not feel bad for being ignored by the people. The lord sees what you have done and have something special for you.
Jesus
Quote from: Mk1 on October 08, 2010, 05:29:25 PM
@all
Wow , controversy the jt again go build one ...
I love that little circuit so much that i decided to devote one year to it , my first discovery was the pickup coil , and the second one was tuning , yet no one even mention me :'( . Well most of you forgot about me :-[ i haven't been around much lately >:( busy summer ...
When you what to selflessly help your brothers , you get access greater knowledge , if you what to help your self the only knowledge you get is the one you can steel or grasp , its only nature .
I hope my friend Gadget is still waking .
Mark
if it wasn't for you.. we would still be using the e/c for leds..
you have been doing the jt long before me and i still know you are the reason we use secondarys and fine tuning..
i remember all you mk builds..
just look at the advancement of the jt cause of you and jeanna and gadget.. and many more..
but now days people call anything a jt.. cameras,, solar lights,, .. etc..
it won't be long before i am forgot about.. haha
robbie
@kooler
Do not worry. The Lord has something special for you too.
Jesus
Mark:
Anyone who has followed our developments in the JT topic know well of the MK-1 circuit. As has been said, this is what started it all as far as I am concerned. Look at what we all have done since that time.
So, please do not ever feel that your valuable contributions have been overlooked. They have not been by the folks that know the difference.
Thanks Mark.
Bill
Quote from: Mk1 on October 08, 2010, 05:29:25 PM
@all
I love that little circuit so much that i decided to devote one year to it , my first discovery was the pickup coil , and the second one was tuning , yet no one even mention me :'( . Well most of you forgot about me :-[ i haven't been around much lately >:( busy summer ...
Usually if you find a freq power node , divide the freq by 2 and check if and try multiplied by 2 also , to make sure your freq is the root freq not the harmonic .
I know most of you don't understand what i am saying , but i did prove the potential of adding a secondary and that tuning is essential even gave details on procedures . Two years later i think my investment has paid off, but we are not done yet. If the circuit can get attention from universities around the world great, but the people had it first that is how it should be anyway .
When you what to selflessly help your brothers , you get access greater knowledge , if you what to help yourself the only knowledge you get is the one you can steel or grasp , its only nature .
I hope my friend Gadget is still waking .
Mark
Dear Mark,
Thank you for your post. The JT thread is too long and I missed your posts. Please post more on this thread as we need your expertise and guidance. We just finished a very successful workshop today at Hong Kong University. I shall do another presentation in UC Irvine, USA in mid-November.
We can now produce FLEET prototypes with Output Power greater than 10 watts and COP greater than 100 with confidence. We have trained Hong Kong University Students to produce such prototypes. We used two oscilloscopes to demonstrate. The Professors and Students will continue our work and improve the performance. They are checking the lead-out energy theory in detail and may work together with other top universities to confirm the physics and mathematics.
I am confident that the results will be positive. Your contribution will be acknowledged and appreciated. Attached are some of the pictures taken today at the HKU workshop.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
Power, based on Peak-to-Peak? Error...Will Ronbinson! The emperor
has no clothes. Rectify the AC to DC and filter, then pick the appropriate
load, then measure the power. Or
Measuring AC power;
Fourier decomposition of voltage signal to sine waveforms
Fourier decomposition of current signal to sine waveforms using
the same frequency decomposition as used with voltage.
Take into account phase shift between voltage and current
in decomposed waveforms. LRC
Integrate power in each decomposed frequency band to total.
Calculate error bars.
Done.
:S:MarkSCoffman
mscoffman,
i suggested this to Tseung a while back.....his reply was exactly what i ( & i dare say others ) expected.. it was ..."if we add extra components then it will spoil the (magic) resonance effect and no OU is produced".
also, dont mention phase angles between voltage & current to him, it will only confuse him further. lol
Quote from: mscoffman on October 09, 2010, 11:54:57 AM
Power, based on Peak-to-Peak? Error...Will Ronbinson! The emperor
has no clothes. Rectify the AC to DC and filter, then pick the appropriate
load, then measure the power. Or
Measuring AC power;
Fourier decomposition of voltage signal to sine waveforms
Fourier decomposition of current signal to sine waveforms using
the same frequency decomposition as used with voltage.
Take into account phase shift between voltage and current
in decomposed waveforms. LRC
Integrate power in each decomposed frequency band to total.
Calculate error bars.
Done.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Dear MarkSCoffman,
The Power Source seen from the outside is the AA battery. You would expect to see steady DC voltage when you measure the voltage across the battery. If you do the experiment, you will find that the waveform is NOT DC. The battery must be considered as part of the “resonance†circuit.
Both the Input and Output are NOT AC power. The waveform as seen on the oscilloscope indicated some type of pulsing â€" not a single frequency.
According to the professors at the many Universities (in Hong Kong, China and USA), the correct academic method to truly measure power in such an environment is:
1. Use the Oscilloscope to measure the Instantaneous Voltage of the Source (e.g. across the battery) using Channel 1.
2. Use a 1 ohm resistor as a shunt to measure the instantaneous Current (the instantaneous voltage across the resistor) using Channel 2.
3. Use the multiply function within the oscilloscope to get the instantaneous Power.
4. Integrate the area under the Power Curve to get the Energy over the chosen time period.
Are you disputing the above measurement technique from all the established academic authorities???
Quote from: rave154 on October 09, 2010, 03:33:04 PM
mscoffman,
i suggested this to Tseung a while back.....his reply was exactly what i ( & i dare say others ) expected.. it was ..."if we add extra components then it will spoil the (magic) resonance effect and no OU is produced".
also, dont mention phase angles between voltage & current to him, it will only confuse him further. lol
Dear rave154,
Please understand that if you have the waveforms of the instantaneous Voltage and the instantaneous current curves, you do not need to worry about the phase angle. You can get the instantaneous power via their products.
The Steorn forum had pages of discussion on that. You can also consult your electrical engineering professors.
Lawrence,
Thank you for sharing your work and GREAT Photos. It is really nice to see electronic and classroom photos from the other side of the world.
We would REALLY APPRECIATE it if you could PLEASE POST a schematic or wiring diagram.
Thank you very much sir.
.
Quote from: FatBird on October 09, 2010, 07:56:26 PM
Lawrence,
Thank you for sharing your work and GREAT Photos. It is really nice to see electronic and classroom photos from the other side of the world.
We would REALLY APPRECIATE it if you could PLEASE POST a schematic or wiring diagram.
Thank you very much sir.
.
Here are some more photos to share.
The most successful part of the Workshop is that some HKU professors and students can produce working FLEET prototypes themselves.
A senior professor said, "We are afraid to teach Lead-out energy now. But we are not afraid to discuss it behind closed doors. We are discussing 'killer applications' that will convince the World without the need for the scientific waveforms."
Another comment: "Now that we can produce the HK$20 Fleet prototypes ourselves, you can be assured of vigorous reseach in Hong Kong and China on Lead-out energy. Once the Official Reports and Papers come out, you will not worry about Government support. The Industrialists will follow."
The task now is to bring at least 6 working FLEET prototypes that can demonstrate overunity to USA before end of Oct.
The next task is to train the USA students at the top Universities so that they can build the FLEET prototypes themselves.
With dozens or thousands of HK$20 FLEET prototypes that can verify Lead-out energy, there can be no suppression. The World will benefit.
Stefan will get his FLEET after the University verifications. The overunity prize money should go to gadgetmail.
Is this the path laid out by the Almighty???
10 Days HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D :D
I knew you would FAIL!
Letting go
Conversation with my sister, Angeline.
Angeline: “You are sharing much on the Internet. There are some supporters but there are a few who are hostile. Do you know why?â€
Tseung: “I do not care about those insulters and debunkers. I just ignore their posts. There is no point in wasting time and emotional energy over them.â€
Angeline: “Do you know that many people are pinning their hopes on you? For example, I pray that you can be successful and help my family financially.â€
Tseung: “I shall. You invested your savings with me over 20 years ago on property investment in USA and my many-to-many communication patents. Both failed to bear fruit.â€
Angeline: “I never blamed you. You will be very successful academically and scientifically. You were once extremely successful working within a Company. The family members admired you and used you as a role model for the youngsters. But you are not a business person. You unknowingly make enemies. You are repeating the same mistake again and again. Even today!â€
Tseung: “Tell me.â€
Angeline: “Take the Chairman of the Institute of Energy, Dr. James Wong. He helped to introduce you to Mr. Alan Li who paid HK$120,000 for the Tong Wheel and Mr. Conroy Cheng who paid HK$50,000 to develop the FLEET prototype. He now manages a team to develop FLEET further with financial support. You do not have any more money coming in from Mr. Alan Li or from Mr. Conroy Cheng. The projects were successful technically but failed as businesses for you.â€
Tseung: “That is true.â€
Angeline:â€Do you know that why that the Chinese Military picked Mr. Lee Cheung Kin as their consultant to develop Lead-out Energy and not you? The Chinese Military can easily use both of you?â€
Tseung: “That is also true?â€
Angeline: “Do you know that Dr. Raymond Ting is working independently without you? In some aspects, he is ahead of you on FLEET. You still have not reproduced his Output power = 48 watts prototype demonstrated on July 19, 2010 at his shop.â€
Tseung: “That is also true.â€
Angeline: “Do you know that your going to USA hurts many of your supporters in Hong Kong and China? They have spent time, energy and money on FLEET. Some professors took the risk of being ridiculed in supporting you. You gave them the opportunity of shining on the STAGE with the scientific breakthrough of solving the energy crisis of the World. Now you are going to work with other Universities in USA. You make them feel unappreciated.â€
Tseung: “I never thought of it that way.â€
Angeline: “It is just like the love game. You approached many girls. You dated them. You raised their hopes and desires. Then you approached more girls. You dated multiple girls at the same time. How would the girls feel? They would feel used. Their love might turn into hate. They would not treat you seriously. They might go out with your friends (invest in your colleagues).â€
Tseung: “What should I do?â€
Angeline: “You are too old to change. You are too set in your ways. You already have the reputation of the lover boy. (The big mouth on the Internet). Just do whatever you believe as the path set out by the Almighty. You will not get true love (the venture investment). You just let others take the Lead-out energy theory and FLEET. Improve and advance as they see fit. Let go.â€
There are no medals or prize money , for those helping there kind .
I also know that sharing all data to American University may be a shot of sword in the water , you do good by the people by sharing knowledge with everyone here i hope you did not leave out to much , now do god by your people , financial goals usually means awakening the predators instinct stimulated by gain , money or ego oriented and are lurking all around causing betrayal .
The debate can go on forever , ethical guidelines are a waist of time .
But need to be maneuvered carefully .
Good luck !
Mark
i honestly have no further comments......so, im going to shut up and just watch for a while
Quote from: Mk1 on October 10, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
There are no medals or prize money , for those helping there kind .
I also know that sharing all data to American University may be a shot of sword in the water , you do good by the people by sharing knowledge with everyone here i hope you did not leave out to much , now do god by your people , financial goals usually means awakening the predators instinct stimulated by gain , money or ego oriented and are lurking all around causing betrayal .
The debate can go on forever , ethical guidelines are a waist of time .
But need to be maneuvered carefully .
Good luck !
Mark
Dear Mark,
After we lighted up the 108 LEDs with the solar cell key ring with the enhanced Joule Thief circuit, I asked the question, “Surely, this should indicate that Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy. Why are the heavy weights in the Joule Thief Thread not claiming overunity? Surely, the two oscilloscope experiments comparing Output Power and Input Power directly must have been known to some heavy weights. I learned it from an Electrical Engineering Professor in Hong Kong and confirmed it with a few others. It is a known technique to compare Energy for irregular waveforms.â€
The two questions at the HKU workshop on Oct 9 woke me up. The first was: “We are afraid to teach lead-out energy now. Are there other top universities teaching it?†The second was answered well by Aaron in the following diagram.
Mark, what is your answer?
First it is not worth the effort , because everyone from regular know all to well meaning passing by the leaches will get in your face . Some to elevate there Ego by showing off , making prediction etc ... Others well meaning knowledgeable or beginning trying trying to replicate , one failure on there part and you are screwed .
Also the whole idea of OU is confusing to most , for some it has to work without battery , or be a perpetual machine of some sort , the overall mindset is wrong .
Most people are not ready to work together and share a common goal selflessly , this was the first thing that needed to be addressed in the jt tread at first , also one of my first task there , and the set standards should be indicative of the future .
There are too many variables , from core (btw the yellow and with core are really medium the green one's seems excellent ) the transistor , to personal modification , making it almost impossible to get confirmation of results .
Overall , wasted time arguing with rude people , plus there is always someone that will find calculation error or a batter way to test it , a real maze ...
And i don't have a scope , my most precious tool is my logic and brain , i do wish i had one ... but would it work for me ;D
It will maybe work if you put a impossible load on it and remove all possible objection , even then ::)
I started demonstrating inductive loads on the secondary of my special jt's http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/6/eiLcbTBewhw
And the radiant energy in the battery leads http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/4/cJsz2Kd4R7o it starts around 1:15
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u
Mark
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 11, 2010, 02:28:03 AM
Dear Mark,
After we lighted up the 108 LEDs with the solar cell key ring with the enhanced Joule Thief circuit, I asked the question, “Surely, this should indicate that Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy. Why are the heavy weights in the Joule Thief Thread not claiming overunity? Surely, the two oscilloscope experiments comparing Output Power and Input Power directly must have been known to some heavy weights. I learned it from an Electrical Engineering Professor in Hong Kong and confirmed it with a few others. It is a known technique to compare Energy for irregular waveforms.â€
The two questions at the HKU workshop on Oct 9 woke me up. The first was: “We are afraid to teach lead-out energy now. Are there other top universities teaching it?†The second was answered well by Aaron in the following diagram.
Mark, what is your answer?
I get several good toys like this one
I can not read the component on it
this works with very very low voltage
do you have a schematic of it ?
NINE DAYS
108 LED's ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TSEUNG
For those of you that don't know what XS is talking about...
Near bouts 3 months ago LT stated there was a good chance he could make a 1000 W Device in ... 3 months.
XS interpreted this a promise, then wrote this date on his calender and evidently planned to post a reminder daily.
Tseung has done at least 100 experiments in this time.. while XS has done, or at least posted ZERO.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. When someone gets around to resonating
about 10 Auto Ignitition Coils with a single Joule Thief
Free Energy will be abundant.
Why? Because 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than just 1 when only 1 is struck.
Quote from: The Observer on October 11, 2010, 11:39:25 AM
Why? Because 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than just 1 when only 1 is struck.
Does the business of resonator guitars (dobros) overlap here?
paul-R,
if dobro's are indeed OU......then John Butler is Master of OU production ! :)
Paul,
Yes.
The Observer
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Hello Mr Lawrence,
I would love to create an OU device and it seems you know what it has to be done. Can you share with me the necessary steps that I have to accomplish to create a little OU device? Do you have a theory about it written somewhere?
Unfortunately this forum seems heavy on people that do not believe in OU and therefore pollute this place which is strange taking in consideration the name of the forum.
I have read many of your post (not all of them) and I see your persistence and desire to help humanity and I sincerely admire that. Are you a Christian by any chance?
Any help from you would be very appreciated.
Sincerely,
Fausto Heikkinen.
Dear Fausto Heikkinen,
Please post on the forum and ignore the insulters and debunkers.
Email me at ltseung@hotmail.com. I can send you a zip file used at the Hong Kong University Workshop on Oct 9, 2010.
The best prototype produced by Student Felix had Output Power >10 watts and COP >280 (peak-to-peak estimates). The lowest had power <0.1 watt and COP <3 (peak-to-peak).
They used the same material, listened to the same lecture and sat in the same classroom.
According to the professors, that is normal. Some students get A and some fail completely. That is in an environment where all students have been screened and qualified. On an open forum like this, I expect even greater spread. Many under-unity devices will be produced. That will give insulters and debunkers more to scream about.
The good thing now is that we managed to have top Universities prepared to do “official verifications and confirmationsâ€. They want to take their time to double and triple check. They do not want to make a mistake like the cold fusion event. HKU now can produce the HK$20 FLEET prototype themselves. I hope the top Universities in US can do the same.
For the general public, I believe they should wait for the manufacturers who can mass produce quality products â€" like the solar pendulum toy.
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 11, 2010, 05:07:09 PM
For the general public, I believe they should wait for the manufacturers who can mass produce quality products â€" like the solar pendulum toy.
hello L T
did you know this(those) manufacturers ?
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 11, 2010, 05:07:09 PM
The best prototype produced by Student Felix had Output Power >10 watts and COP >280 (peak-to-peak estimates).
I am not sure what you mean by this, but if you are assessing the power out
as a function of the peak voltage on the scope, this is not likely to be correct.
If you put the output through a high wattage resistor, and immmerse this in oil,
and then measure the rise in temperature of that oil, then you should be on the
right track.
Quote from: Paul-R on October 12, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
I am not sure what you mean by this, but if you are assessing the power out
as a function of the peak voltage on the scope, this is not likely to be correct.
If you put the output through a high wattage resistor, and immmerse this in oil,
and then measure the rise in temperature of that oil, then you should be on the
right track.
Dear Paul-R,
As I mentioned many times before,
the correct measurement should be from the integration of the Instantaneous Power Curves. Because my cheap oscilloscopes do not provide that function (or I have not mastered the technique of sending the data to the PC for proper analysis), I used the INCORRECT but quick method for comparison.
The top Universities have better oscilloscopes and much better research scientists skilled in using their oscilloscopes. They also have the data loggers to record the entire experimental procedure. Once they are willing to take on the task of “verification and confirmationâ€, I should stay out of providing “accurate and CORRECT†scientific data.
I shall continue to provide INCORRECT but trend indicating peak-to-peak comparisons. They are quick and dirty. (It is like the correct temperature measuring instrument should be the thermometer. However, for quick and dirty results, touching by hand may be useful.)
I am waiting for the results of “vigorous and scientific verification and confirmation†results from the top Universities of the World. You should be patient and wait for such results too. (I know that I am on the right track already. The two oscilloscope results are too obvious. COP>200 is unlikely to be an experimental error. When we can reproduce the results in a Workshop at HKU by the University Students, the experiments cannot be hoaxes.
If all the top Universities in USA I shall visit in the next few months are as good as HKU, I do not need to go the extra step of immersing things in oil. I should let the youngsters do the experiments and shine.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: tagor on October 12, 2010, 03:01:57 AM
hello L T
did you know this(those) manufacturers ?
I know and trained at least two groups who have such capabilities. Both cut communications with me until they have products on the Market. They do not want this "Internet Big Mouth" to leak out their research and marketing plans. :D :D
Important Conversation with Aaron Quant
Tseung:â€I was impressed with your answer to the HKU Professor -- The solar pendulum toy is already an Overunity and Lead-out Energy device. You can buy them easily at the toy or gift stores.â€
Aaron: “I was absolutely convinced when I took one apart. Lee Cheung Kin and you knew about it in Dec. 2004. Why did you waste your time trying to produce your own lead-out energy device?â€
Tseung: “You are right. Lee does not know English. He never read information on Bedini, Steven Mark TPU nor participated in any forums. When he gave his presentations, he stuck to his large pendulum toy. He was successful in persuading the Chinese Military to support him. That toy alone is good enough to back up the Lead-out Energy theory.â€
Aaron: “It is not too late. When you go to USA, make sure you bring a pendulum toy. The Universities will be able to purchase such toys for a few US dollars easily. You can still give your FLEET prototype. But the more direct and powerful device is actually the pendulum toy.â€
Tseung: “My sister, Angeline, was right. I kept dating new and different girls (searching on the Internet and participating in various forums). The most beautiful and loyal girl has been with me since day one (the pendulum toy). We showed that in our first presentation and worked out the physics and mathematics. The results of those calculations were published in our PCT patent application. Lee stuck with one girl and got married (to the Chinese Military). I dated many girls and still ‘floating’. When I get to USA, I should change. I should focus on the pendulum toy.â€
Aaron: “God works in mysterious ways. Your background knowledge on Lead-out energy and overunity devices are better than most researchers in this field. You have hand-built working overunity prototypes. You are carrying at least 6 of them to USA.â€
Tseung: “But I should have used the pendulum toy and convinced the many universities starting in Dec 2004. I wasted a couple of valuable years.â€
Aaron: “I participated in the HKU Workshop. I saw the reactions of the Professors and Students. They will investigate this lead-out energy seriously. I felt their excitement when their own student produced prototypes better than those from us! Any of the Professors or Students can afford HK$20 to build the FLEET prototypes. The momentum is unstoppable. I wish you the same success in USA. Trust in the Almighty. He will continue to guide and protect you.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Wow!!!
That is the most beautiful oriental girl I have ever seen!!!
Jesus
Jesus:
I agree, well, except for Forever. But, that was a spambot.
Bill
Here are two good-looking set-up that is half-way to printed circuit boards and mass production done by Aaron Quant.
Unfortunately, the new components and new set-up need to be re-tuned from the very beginning once more.
Can we finish it before my USA trip???
Is it the message from the Almighty - focus on the pendulum toy and the tuning forks? I like the statement from Observer - Two tuning forks sound louder when only one is struck. I might buy such a set up or just download the youtube video for my UC Irvine presentation. It is simple and convincing.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Planned Improvement over the HKU Workshop
The following are the planned improvements:
1. Focus more on the readily available solar pendulum toys. Do the actual physics and mathematics calculations. Our example uses F=10 units and Mg=60 units. Ask the participants to calculate using F=10 units and Mg=100 units. Use a prepared Excel program to help them. Once they understand and have confidence in the solid foundation of the Lead-out Energy Theory, everything will fall neatly into place. The pendulum toy is already a confirmation product. They can buy them easily.
2. Do the two tuning fork experiment. If the equipment were not available, show the youtube video. Discuss the fact that Two Tuning Forks sound louder when only one is struck. If possible, use three or more. A roomful of identical tuning forks may be even more impressible. Focus on the possibility of energy being lead-out or brought-in from the environment. Lay the ground work that resonance hunting is unlike other experiments â€" a small change near resonance can have a very large effect. Discuss the exponential behavior and how the lead-out energy theory with feedback can explain that perfectly.
3. Let the participants hook up the two oscilloscopes and compare the graphs for overunity themselves. Use their experts who are familiar with their oscilloscopes. Use their data loggers. This session should be rehearsed a few days before the actual presentation. There should not be any doubt on the possibility of equipment error or misuse of the oscilloscopes or data loggers. Let their experts present this session.
4. Do a separate hands-on workshop to build the FLEET (enhanced joule thief) prototype. Too much information in one day (especially controversial ones) will overload the participants. Trying to manage the building of many FLEETs from many first-time student groups without any help is inviting trouble. The better approach is to first train a small group of helpers. Let them shine.
5. Discuss the possibility of letting UC Irvine help in producing a proper Course on Lead-out Energy to present to other Universities. Let them get in touch with Hong Kong University as a joint academic effort. Let them take the initiative of inviting and involving other Universities. I am sure that the US Government via Todd will have some say.
These planned actions are within my humble capabilities. I do understand that there will be roadblocks from the established interests â€" the US and Chinese Military Establishments may be two important ones. I shall trust the Almighty to guide and protect me.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
6 DAYS
:D Looney
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 14, 2010, 10:07:35 AM
6 DAYS
:D Looney
Might as well be 6 million years! Never in the history of human behavior has personal delusion reached so deep and so ridiculous. The emperor truly had no clothes!
cheers
chrisC
XS,
Are you retarded dude ?
I asked politely to show me the promise made by Tseung that you now base your life on.
Of course, you did not respond as you are in the midst of a delusion of your own creation.
Truth is.. a promise was never made...
and now you wake up and check your precious calender daily
so you can post nonsense.
XS... Get a life, see a psychiatrist, take a walk.
I don't care what you do... just keep your delusions and your negative comments based on such to yourself !
Best Regards,
The Observer
hahaha you are really a funny observer :D
Greetings Lawrence
I am not a frequent poster but have been keeping a watch on this thread. I want to state my support for your systematic process and openess/willingness to explore and learn. You're always open to others for sharing and teamwork.
I also observe how you're a great example on how to respect everybody and just ignore the BS and negative comments posted by some. Excellent, like a grand tree - just allow the winds blowing through and stand firm :-) (btw, I am always amazed at how much time some people spend focusing on how to critize others - and it makes me wonder if it makes them feel good...)
Good luck in the US, and keep up your persistance and focus. It is easy to see what your good intentions are!
Kind regards
Viggo
Quote from: elkiv54 on October 14, 2010, 06:20:10 PM
Greetings Lawrence
I am not a frequent poster but have been keeping a watch on this thread. I want to state my support for your systematic process and openess/willingness to explore and learn. You're always open to others for sharing and teamwork.
I also observe how you're a great example on how to respect everybody and just ignore the BS and negative comments posted by some. Excellent, like a grand tree - just allow the winds blowing through and stand firm :-) (btw, I am always amazed at how much time some people spend focusing on how to critize others - and it makes me wonder if it makes them feel good...)
Good luck in the US, and keep up your persistance and focus. It is easy to see what your good intentions are!
Kind regards
Viggo
Thank you, Viggo. As of this morning (Oct 15), I have 8 FLEET prototypes that passed the minimum test. The capabilities vary from 0.2 watts to 15 watts Output and COP from 2 to 200 (peak-to-peak). I have enough parts to build 20 or more.
Aaron will supply me with a few more good-looking prototypes. I think I am ready for the US presentation. There will be no more new prototypes from me as I need to pack, ship out or give equipment to others in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong and China have solid foundation on Lead-out Energy Research now. At least 10 groups can produce the prototypes. I am most impressed with HKU â€" both their professors and students. I still cannot beat the work of Felix myself.
It is time to check out the reaction from the top US Universities. It will take me a few weeks to settle down and get to know the electronics stores and train the helpers. With the solar pendulum toy, the tuning forks and the working FLEET prototypes, I believe I may get some support. In a different land, with different people and different culture,
I shall pray to the Almighty and let him guide and protect me.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Didnt you notice XS that TheObserver is supporting ltseung not because he has the "real thing" but because he is sharing stuff to us... (its all scam but he does no care..). He said that before himself in one of replies to my post. Makes me wonder how many thread "supporters" are same user or friends or other people asked to do so...
All I can see in this thread is continuing scam and use of big words like "top universities" "top scientist" "top professors" "hundreds are interested" "groups are working on it" ... this dude is desperately trying to look "B.I.G." in order to gain monetary value... and not to help the world or those hungry poor african people he posted pictures a while ago.. or anyone else..
He keeps asking for money on almost every single post (help seedlings innovation and/or other gestures)... for the statements he cant deliver! And uses the name of Almighty... hes got no morale left obviously...
Investors please do not invest into this guy until he delivers solid proof (wich just aint happening.. because...?)
Minde
5 Days
1 0 0 0 W a t t
You got that right Minde...it's all part of his plan and he believes he can FOOL people which makes him the biggest fool of all.
I noticed everytime i posted a negative comment some weird user shows up praising him to heaven whilst he has got NOTHING
Minde,
Gunna have to add you to the retarded list.
Help Seedlings Innovate is the NAME of his foundation.
It is not Seedlings Innovate as you have obviously assumed.
Why you guys don't get along with your lives and do some of your own experiments is beyond me.
I suggest resonating some large high voltage transformers.
Best Regards,
The Observer
we ARE getting on with our own lives (and doing my own experiments)........were just having a little fun here watching the "Clown Show"
(now hes going to say "well i havent seen YOU post any data from YOUR experiments ! )
true enough......but i havent finished yet......and i most certainly am NOT going to post things which are most certaintly NOT OU, based on P-P measurements
as for lighting up LED's.......ive better things to do ( but i'll still enjoy watching the clown show.......from time to time )
I AM getting on with MY own life (and doing my own experiments)........were just having a little fun here watching the "Clown Show"
Observer, I AM not going to show you my work because i do not like you and keep in mind that i do not ow anything to anybody okay.
So now you can go and resonate your own transformers.
The fact you suggest it tells me you still need to learn @#$%^%$#@#$%^ about that.
This Tseung Clown it's my daily comedy HAAAHAHAHAHAHA :D :D :D :D
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Hello Mr. Tseung,
I have a friend in Hong Kong that is willing to see the FLEET machine (the one shown on youtube here http://www.youtube.com/user/ltseung888#p/u/13/aG185DiBkcI) that you mention would be available for anyone to see if an appointment is made.
Would you be able to share the location and contact information so that my friend can setup this appointment and see the machine?
Many thanks,
Fausto Heikkinen
My reply:
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Dear Mr. Fausto Heikkinen,
Please ask your friend in Hong Kong to contact Mr. Aaron Quant to see a FLEET demo. I shall be leaving for US and my things are in the packing stages. Mr. Aaron Quant can speak fluent English and Chinese. (phone number not displayed on Internet.)
Ask your friend to bring cameras and/or video recorders to verify and confirm. Ask him whetherr he wants his picture displayed on the Internet.
Do we anything to demonstrate to the World on Lead-out Energy NOW?
Buy the solar pendulum toy.http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/stevenhang/product-detailxJnQoFtDFmlk/China-Solar-Pendulum.html
See the tuning fork resonance experiment,
can energy be lead-out or brought in from the surrounding?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiHOqMOJTH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpLfLtcbkk
Wait for the verification reports from the Universities in Hong Kong and USA.
If you cannot wait,
see the unconfirmed posts on overunity.com
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
4 Days :D :D
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 15, 2010, 08:23:06 PM
4 Days :D :D
How can you forget my Loyal Girl Friend??? :-\ :-\
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 15, 2010, 08:23:06 PM
4 Days :D :D
X, Great graphics! LOL. Old Tseung just don't get it! Peak to Peak measurement is not measuring O.U. Those of us who enjoy comedy, laughter is indeed the best medicine.
cheers
chrisC
gotta love the mickey mouse stuff huh.........how appropriate is THAT ! ;D
tseung........since youre SO hung up on "peak" performances.......have you ever checked out those olympic atheltes, at the olympics?.......putting in their "peak" performance........impressive arent they?.......BUT.......have you ever bothered to check out what they do AFTER theyve put in their PEAK perforance?.....if you do...youll see that those oh-so-impressive athletes....are laying on their backs doing NOTHING.....recovering from their exersions
Phone Call from Lee Cheung Kin
Lee: “I just came back from a tour and a conference on alternative energy in China. Your work on the Internet was mentioned a couple of times. However, it is Micky Mouse compared with the work China has achieved.â€
Tseung: “Can you say more about the work in China?â€
Lee: “No. Everything is confidential. You have to wait for the Official Chinese Government Announcements. I can only tell you that we are miles ahead of you.â€
Tseung: “I believe that. You have resources vastly superior to my humble bedroom. You have top scientists and engineers. All I have is the pendulum toy, the tuning fork videos and the HK$20 FLEET prototypes. I do not even have proper LCR tuning equipment or circuits.â€
Lee: “You are going to US in a few days. Good luck.â€
Tseung: “What is the Chinese Government reaction to my going?â€
Lee: “Your work is too Micky Mouse for the Chinese Authorities to worry about. The key foundation was laid out in Dec. 2004. I showed you the pendulum toy. You have been wasting time in trying to build a working prototype with your tiny resources. In our first project plan, we suggested that HK$100 million as the minimum investment to bring the Lead-out Energy technology from theory to working products.â€
Tseung: “I remember that. I still have that project plan. But I could not even get HK$1 million. Both Wang Shen He and you got support from the Chinese Government with sums vastly exceeding HK$100 million and the bonus of having thousands of top scientists and engineers. I congratulate both of you. I am glad that China has both of you devoting your efforts.â€
Lee: “Good luck in US. I am sure that the US Government knows much more than you. I hate to say this â€" nobody really needs you. You have revealed all you know on the Internet. The COP >200 prototypes may be good for another type of pendulum toy. That manufacturer did make some money.â€
Tseung: “I am on my way to Church. May the Almighty guide and protect me.â€
Thank you Lawrence for all of your VERY NICE Posts, like the one above.
It is really interesting to see how different business men, professors, & inventors view the Fleet devices, & what their opinions are.
.
Quote from: FatBird on October 16, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
Thank you Lawrence for all of your VERY NICE Posts, like the one above.
It is really interesting to see how different business men, professors, & inventors view the Fleet devices, & what their opinions are.
.
you forgot, .... and delusional persons!
cheers
chrisC
every time Lee does a post like that one.......i just cant help but hear the James bond theme song in my head
Another absolute confirmation of Lead-Out Energy Theory
When I packed my stuff for US, I found a well preserved copy of cuttings from the Apple Daily News Paper dated Dec 21, 2004. It showed me explaining the theory behind the “super soaker†water gun.
Most scientists previously thought that the Total Input Energy = Energy provided by the Pumping Action. I explained that even though air is not a fuel, it is an energy carrier. The Pumping action brought in air from the surrounding. The air carries energy (Ein) equal to “Pressure x Volume of air inâ€. When the air leaves the system, it carries energy (Eout) equal to “Pressure x Volume of air outâ€. There can be a difference between Ein and Eout. If Ein is greater than Eout, that difference in Energy is given to the water gun system. That is a very clear scientific explanation of Lead-Out Energy or Energy Brought in from the Surrounding. It is easily confirmed by the water gun or water rocket type of toys. Such toys have been around for Centuries!!!
The explanation was given at the Press Conference in Tai Po in Dec. 2004 and repeated in a number of presentations. Why did I “float†and seek other “girlsâ€. Both the pendulum toy and the water gun are solid, scientific confirmations of the lead-out theory. Why did I ignore them?
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Sure energy can be lead out.
3 Days to show it :D
Conversation at Church
Christian A: “I heard that you will leave for US soon. May God bless you.â€
Tseung: “I need all your prayers as so many things are happening. My equipment and prototypes will be left with Mr. Aaron Quant. He is a Christian in a different Church.â€
Christian B: “It does not matter. We are all children of God. Have you succeeded in your prototype yet?â€
Christian A: “You should read it on the Internet. HKU produced a FLEET prototype with COP > 200. God is working miracle through HKU now.â€
Tseung: “God worked his miracles through me in Dec. 2004. He provided me with the water gun and the pendulum toy. Those were conclusive evidence of Lead-Out Energy. I did not follow through. I was too proud. I wanted everything done by Tseung Limited. It was limited indeed.â€
Christian B: “God has His ways. Wang and Lee went on other paths. They were not as well-known as you on the Internet. But they had support and achieved success in other ways.â€
Tseung: “I should give praise to Mr. Aaron Quant, Professor Dennis Leung and the HKU students for their FLEET prototype success. They should shine.â€
Christian A: “They will. Just trust the Almighty.â€
QuoteLee: “Good luck in US. I am sure that the US Government knows much more than you. I hate to say this â€" nobody really needs you. You have revealed all you know on the Internet. The COP >200 prototypes may be good for another type of pendulum toy. That manufacturer did make some money.â€
Tseung: “I am on my way to Church. May the Almighty guide and protect me.â€
The world needed you, and you responded with generosity. Your kindness will have its own reward that material wealth can never give. May the peace the world cannot give be yours now and forever.
Bob
Times up....
Where is it Tseung?
1Kw? huh?
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 20, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Times up....
Where is it Tseung?
1Kw? huh?
What time's up?
Tseung never promised something for the end
of your boring countdown.
If i may quote his statement 3 month ago:
QuoteThe chance of our team producing a 1KW lead-out device for the poor countries within three months is excellent.
Hopefully, the time of your senseless trolling is up by now.
@ Sushimoto
Hopefully, the time of your senseless trolling is up by now.
===============================================
GOOD Post & Well Said sushimoto.
You are right on target.
.
TIMES UP WHERE IS IT?
Greetings,
It seems at this point in my journey
trying to understand Magnetic Permeability (ferromagnetics) and Resonance
as unrecognized sources of energy...
Two experiments come to mind.
The first is a shorty and second more involved.
It is my goal to find some answers in the coming months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Camera Flash Circuit Powered by Identical Capacitor Voltage Comparison
Take two Identical Disposable Cameras (A and B).
Strip them down to the circuit boards. ( Use rubber gloves unless you like pain ! )
Remove the batteries and short out the Capacitors ( using rubber gloves )
Remove the 300 uF 300 V Capacitor from Board A, leave attached it in Board B.
Short the 2 Capacitors for 1 day to remove effects of dielectric absorption (self charging).
*** Now charge the removed Capacitor A to 1.5 V using 1 of the batteries. ***
*** Then take Capacitor A (charged to 1.5 V) and hook it to the battery leads of Board B ***
*** When Capacitor A is fully discharged --> measure Capacitor B's Voltage. ***
--> If Capacitor B's Voltage is greater than 1.5 V, then Energy must be coming from the circuit ! <--
Direct proof of an unrecognized source of energy.
Why?
Because the energy Stored in a Capacitor is represented by E=(1/2)*C*V2
So if Cap B had ~100V.. it would have ~ 10,000 times the starting energy because V is squared.
Where is the extra energy coming from if Cap B is indeed over 1.5 V?
I claim its from the EMBEDDED MAGNETS present in any good Ferrite Core. !
That is Atomic Magnetic Dipoles that rotate freely which are powered by the infinite motion of unpaired electrons.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Multiple Resonating Ignition Coils powered by a single Joule Thief.
Buy a brand new Ignition Coil.
Find it's resonant Frequency using a pulse generator and o-scope.
Construct an efficient Joule Thief that will oscillate at the Ignition Coils Resonant Frequency.
Hook up JT to the Ignition Coil and tune to Resonant Frequency of I-Coil.
(note.. this is how one you-tuber got a cfl to run off an ordinary JT.)
Light a CFL?
Now buy an identical brand new Ignition Coil.
Hook that up to previous configuration (output of JT... series.. parrallel... output of first I-Coil)
Light more CFLs now?
Add Identical Ignition Coils to the mix... how many can you get ringing?
--> I believe a Joule Thief Resonating Multiple High Voltage Transformers is the next step in the evolution of JT. <--
Why?
Well, Besides the Embedded Magnets present in the core of the Ignition Coil...
an Acoustic Guitar rings longer and 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar when the same string is strummed.
Or, two tuning forks ring louder and longer then when 1 fork is allowed to ring from being struck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I welcome anyone who is interested to give these experiments or any variation of... a try for yourself. ;o).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on October 20, 2010, 11:43:39 AM
Greetings,
It seems at this point in my journey
trying to understand Magnetic Permeability (ferromagnetics) and Resonance
as unrecognized sources of energy...
Two experiments come to mind.
The first is a shorty and second more involved.
It is my goal to find some answers in the coming months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Camera Flash Circuit Powered by Identical Capacitor Voltage Comparison
Take two Identical Disposable Cameras (A and B).
Strip them down to the circuit boards. ( Use rubber gloves unless you like pain ! )
Remove the batteries and short out the Capacitors ( using rubber gloves )
Remove the 300 uF 300 V Capacitor from Board A, leave attached it in Board B.
Short the 2 Capacitors for 1 day to remove effects of dielectric absorption (self charging).
*** Now charge the removed Capacitor A to 1.5 V using 1 of the batteries. ***
*** Then take Capacitor A (charged to 1.5 V) and hook it to the battery leads of Board B ***
*** When Capacitor A is fully discharged --> measure Capacitor B's Voltage. ***
--> If Capacitor B's Voltage is greater than 1.5 V, then Energy must be coming from the circuit ! <--
Direct proof of an unrecognized source of energy.
Why?
Because the energy Stored in a Capacitor is represented by E=(1/2)*C*V2
So if Cap B had ~100V.. it would have ~ 10,000 times the starting energy because V is squared.
Where is the extra energy coming from if Cap B is indeed over 1.5 V?
I claim its from the EMBEDDED MAGNETS present in any good Ferrite Core. !
That is Atomic Magnetic Dipoles that rotate freely which are powered by the infinite motion of unpaired electrons.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Post 1. You have said all this last time. Me and Bill told you where your energy comes from. It works with batery and will not work with cap as a source. Did you do this experiment or just
empty talks again?
Eureka! The Observer has COP of ~10000! ( ;D booo)
However I would agree with your post 2.
Minde
Quote from: sushimoto on October 20, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
What time's up?
Tseung never promised something for the end
of your boring countdown.
No he did not actually promise, but if you look back at the original Lead Out thread, Tseung was always using some 6 month government "evaluation" period as an excuse why none of his or his associates' (for whom he seeks "investor" money) claimed inventions ever made it to market. That was over 3 years ago.
So it is a never ending pattern of "wait a few months," and it's just comical at this point that he is still doing it.
Quote from: minde4000 on October 20, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
Post 1. You have said all this last time. Me and Bill told you where your energy comes from. It works with batery and will not work with cap as a source. Did you do this experiment or just empty talks again?
Eureka! The Observer has COP of ~10000! ( ;D booo)
However I would agree with your post 2.
Minde
You will wait..
The Experiment JT (2.) can never work
with more CDL ligthning Power OFF thant
DC Input power.
Even if the RF and harmonic frequencies can
light 10 CFLs.
Nearly 50 years ago, we (friends, HAMs
-Radio Amateurs) have done that........
Pese
Quote from: pese on October 20, 2010, 02:33:35 PM
Nearly 50 years ago, we (friends, HAMs
-Radio Amateurs) have done that........
Pese
and 50 years ago you did not have access to some of the materials that we have access to today... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 20, 2010, 02:39:03 PM
and 50 years ago you did not have access to some of the materials that we have access to today... ::)
Do you think so.
CFL long 36watt tubes
SW Transmitters (Trabsistirized) in Ca
(100 watts in 80 Meter-band)
one and more CFL was lightning i we comes in near
of Antenna.
Even each other Inverter (Osziallator) Circuit that produce RF (Long Wave , say 100Khz and higher) produce this same effects.)
Even "before" i show that from HAM Amateurs that
done this with vacuum tubes. No differences.
1960 i started my own Semiconductor-Electronic Company. Registred since 1964.
So i am sure do know all electric parts that was
avaiable, and distributed (exporting) from my small (5 personals) company.
I must not discussing over this. You will see the results of JT.
I am wondering. Bedini, Tesla-Switch, over all this
"Nonsense" yo will learn, if you will not accept the knowledge from people that have done this experiments efre you was born.
GP
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
alternative link collections
ALSO
Quote from: pese on October 20, 2010, 04:54:28 PM
Do you think so.
CFL long 36watt tubes
SW Transmitters (Trabsistirized) in Ca
(100 watts in 80 Meter-band)
one and more CFL was lightning i we comes in near
of Antenna.
Even each other Inverter (Osziallator) Circuit that produce RF (Long Wave , say 100Khz and higher) produce this same effects.)
Even "before" i show that from HAM Amateurs that
done this with vacuum tubes. No differences.
1960 i started my own Semiconductor-Electronic Company. Registred since 1964.
So i am sure do know all electric parts that was
avaiable, and distributed (exporting) from my small (5 personals) company.
I must not discussing over this. You will see the results of JT.
I am wondering. Bedini, Tesla-Switch, over all this
"Nonsense" yo will learn, if you will not accept the knowledge from people that have done this experiments efre you was born.
GP
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
alternative link collections
ALSO
@Pese
I wouldn't pay any attention to Wilby's 'knowledge' - it's as good as Tseung's delusions.
cheers
chrisC
Quote
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:07:32 -0400
From: Todd Hathaway
Subject: Two oscilloscopes available for demo
Lawrence,
I don't know why I didn't think of it before, but we have two oscilloscopes available at AFRRI for your demo. We could make it out there during the second week of November if that works on your end.
Todd
*********************************
Dear Todd,
Thank you for your arrangement. If the two oscilloscopes are available for more than a few days, we can train a number of helpers before any formal presentation.
My date to arrive US is Oct. 26. Mid-Nov will be suitable as the first contact and dry-run date. I shall provide my contact details in US as soon as I know them. The present thought is to produce a professional video on Lead-Out Energy and FLEET. Prof. Dennis Leung of HKU and Mr. Aaron Quant believe that they can provide certified FLEET Prototypes with guaranteed quality. The details can be negotiated.
I look forward to working together to benefit the World.
Lawrence
The draft outline for the video:
1. Theory of Lead-out energy and why it does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy
2. The first readily available product â€" the water gun. Explain that air is an energy carrier. Energy carried into the system by air (Ein) can be different from Energy carried out from the system by the same amount of air (Eout). That difference is the lead-out (or brought-in) energy. That is an additional input energy not commonly appreciated by scientists of today.
3. The Tuning Fork experiment. We may have a roomful of identical tuning forks on echo boxes. That should clearly demonstrate that energy can be brought in from the surrounding at resonance to produce the resulting loud sound.
4. The Solar Pendulum Toy. Explain the mathematics and use the Excel Spreadsheet to calculate the ratio of horizontal energy to vertical energy.
5. The Forever Yuen magnetic pendulum experiment. If gravitational energy can be lead-out via the oscillating pendulum, magnetic energy must be able to be lead-out via the magnetic pendulum.
6. The more efficient way of pulsed rotation in extracting energy. Show the Tong Po Chi Wheel that has been demonstrated to over 10,000 visitors. Mention that similar devices include the prototypes from Newman, Bedini, Adams, Wang, etc.
7. The inexpensive HK$20 (US$3) FLEET that can conclusively demonstrate overunity via the two oscilloscope experiment. Explain that flux change is equivalent to pulsed rotation conceptually. However, the cost of a non-moving electronic circuit is much lower and easier to maintain. The resonance hunting and the LCR matching aspects of the Joule Thief circuit will be discussed.
8. The actual step-by-step demonstration of building and testing the FLEET prototype. I expect the videotaped prototype will have at least Output Power > 10 watts, COP >100 and can light up 108 LEDs on a Christmas tree.
9. Comments and verification results from various Experts and Organizations. These will include workshop participants from Hong Kong, China and USA.
The video is likely to be properly funded and done by professionals. It may take a few months and many editions. It will have input from many Universities and Organizations. It may be distributed via the Internet and handed out at the various seminars or conferences. It is likely to be translated into many different languages. It may be the “official reference†on Lead-Out Energy.
I also hope that a DIY FLEET kit that can conclusively demonstrate lead-out energy selling for less than US$10 to be available soon. It will be a nice companion to the water gun and the pendulum toy.
May the Almighty guide and bless us on this journey. Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: The Observer on October 20, 2010, 11:43:39 AM
2. Multiple Resonating Ignition Coils powered by a single Joule Thief.
Buy a brand new Ignition Coil.
Find it's resonant Frequency using a pulse generator and o-scope.
Construct an efficient Joule Thief that will oscillate at the Ignition Coils Resonant Frequency.
Hook up JT to the Ignition Coil and tune to Resonant Frequency of I-Coil.
(note.. this is how one you-tuber got a cfl to run off an ordinary JT.)
Light a CFL?
Now buy an identical brand new Ignition Coil.
Hook that up to previous configuration (output of JT... series.. parrallel... output of first I-Coil)
Light more CFLs now?
Add Identical Ignition Coils to the mix... how many can you get ringing?
--> I believe a Joule Thief Resonating Multiple High Voltage Transformers is the next step in the evolution of JT. <--
Why?
Well, Besides the Embedded Magnets present in the core of the Ignition Coil...
an Acoustic Guitar rings longer and 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar when the same string is strummed.
Or, two tuning forks ring louder and longer than when 1 fork is allowed to ring from being struck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I welcome anyone who is interested to give these experiments or any variation of... a try for yourself. ;o).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
Thanks for the excellent suggestion. In the past, if I saw such a post, I might start thinking about it. Now, after the “floating with multiple girls†lecture from my sister, I would stick with the “loyal and faithful girlâ€. I have succeeded with the enhanced FLEET -- getting output power >10 watts, COP >100 peak-to-peak and the results can be repeated and verified with two oscilloscopes at top universities.
I am convinced that your multiple Resonating Ignition Coils will work but my focus will be on the “loyal and faithful girls†â€" the water gun, the pendulum toy, the resonating tuning fork and the less than HK$20 FLEET circuit.
Do you think that there might be danger in playing with such high voltage circuits that lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding environment?
Quote from: chrisC on October 20, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
@Pese
I wouldn't pay any attention to Wilby's 'knowledge' - it's as good as Tseung's delusions.
cheers
chrisC
Hi Chris
i give attention to any experiments and knowledges,
so i have learned the whole live.
Done some-own experiments, applicationd,development,some inventions (some registred -small-one aswell).
Gustav Pese
ah yes the daily L.Tseung CLOWN soap. ;D
What's today going to bring?
10.000 Watt in 6 months?
HAHAHAHA
Minde,
Yes I we talked about the Camera Flash Circuit before.
I said..
Quoteas unrecognized sources of energy...
It is my goal to find some answers in the coming months.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Camera Flash Circuit Powered by Identical Capacitor Voltage Comparison
Take two Identical Disposable Cameras (A and B).
Strip them down to the circuit boards. ( Use rubber gloves unless you like pain ! )
Remove the batteries and short out the Capacitors ( using rubber gloves )
Remove the 300 uF 300 V Capacitor from Board A, leave attached it in Board B.
Short the 2 Capacitors for 1 day to remove effects of dielectric absorption (self charging).
*** Now charge the removed Capacitor A to 1.5 V using 1 of the batteries. ***
*** Then take Capacitor A (charged to 1.5 V) and hook it to the battery leads of Board B ***
*** When Capacitor A is fully discharged --> measure Capacitor B's Voltage. ***
--> If Capacitor B's Voltage is greater than 1.5 V, then Energy must be coming from the circuit ! <--
Direct proof of an unrecognized source of energy.
Why?
Because the energy Stored in a Capacitor is represented by E=(1/2)*C*V2
So if Cap B had ~100V.. it would have ~ 10,000 times the starting energy because V is squared.
Where is the extra energy coming from if Cap B is indeed over 1.5 V?
I claim its from the EMBEDDED MAGNETS present in any good Ferrite Core. !
That is Atomic Magnetic Dipoles that rotate freely and are powered by the infinite motion of unpaired electrons.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Has anyone done the experiment?
I'm busy and will get around to my experiments in the coming months.
I do wonder why are you complaining that I am bringing this up again,
when XS posts his bull (THE SAME THING) EVERY FUCKING DAY !!!
That has nothing to do with the subject.
Where are your complaints here???
How bout some consistency?
I'm glad you agree with my theoretical experiment #2.
Thanks for your comments on that also LT.
Quote
2. Multiple Resonating Ignition Coils powered by a single Joule Thief.
Buy a brand new Ignition Coil.
Find it's resonant Frequency using a pulse generator and o-scope.
Construct an efficient Joule Thief that will oscillate at the Ignition Coils Resonant Frequency.
Hook up JT to the Ignition Coil and tune to Resonant Frequency of I-Coil.
(note.. this is how one you-tuber got a cfl to run off an ordinary JT.)
Light a CFL?
Now buy an identical brand new Ignition Coil.
Hook that up to previous configuration (output of JT... series.. parrallel... output of first I-Coil)
Light more CFLs now?
Add Identical Ignition Coils to the mix... how many can you get ringing?
--> I believe a Joule Thief Resonating Multiple High Voltage Transformers is the next step in the evolution of JT. <--
Why?
Well, an Acoustic Guitar rings longer and 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar when the same string is strummed.
Or... Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than when 1 fork is allowed to ring from being struck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I welcome anyone who is interested to give these experiments or any variation a try for yourself. ;o).
I will start these experiments in the near future.
Right now I'm focused on making money before the snow flies.
As I said, anyone can join me.. these are my best ideas, and that's why I am sharing them.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 21, 2010, 10:38:59 AM
ah yes the daily L.Tseung CLOWN soap. ;D
What's today going to bring?
10.000 Watt in 6 months?
HAHAHAHA
Like a little annoying bug that keeps crawling onto Tseung's shoes you apparently are so self deluded as to think you will pull his concept tumbling down when you actually will never be anything more than a minor annoyance to others and probably largely ignored by Tseung. What do you really hope to accomplish? You are wasting your time and the time of others with your childish nonsense. You contribute nothing and even waste your own time. I assume you are either a paid troll or a total fool.
HAHA yeah man. :)
and what about you?
still trying to get that o'l steel tpu to work? HAHAHA
@steeltpu
No not worry , when someone is stuck in a loop like that they are so easy to kick out .
is that so MK1?
i know you from the first day you joined the forum over here...
talk talk but no result is as good as saying nothing at all.
we want working prototypes and tseung is clearly not going to provide them :)
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 21, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
is that so MK1?
i know you from the first day you joined the forum over here...
talk talk but no result is as good as saying nothing at all.
we want working prototypes and tseung is clearly not going to provide them :)
Great , everyone seems to know me :D , i however have no idea about you. :o
All i know is that your success are about making fun of others .
What have you done your self , to deserve that anyone give you a working prototype .
Based on you idea of relevancy in others post , and tolerance level for stupidity , let me ask you to read you own comment to see if they pass your own standard ??? :-[ :'(, Stop wasting bandwidth .
if there is anybody wasting bandwidth it is LAWRENCE TSEUNG! alias the lead out clown :D
Quote from: The Observer on October 21, 2010, 12:01:41 PM
Minde,
Yes I we talked about the Camera Flash Circuit before.
I said..Has anyone done the experiment?
I'm busy and will get around to my experiments in the coming months.
I do wonder why are you complaining that I am bringing this up again,
Best Regards,
The Observer
I am not complaining rofl. Dont panic. We just gave you an explanation where you went wrong with your photo flash circuit idea...
but you dont seem to take us for granted.. altho you willing to defend tseungs scam. So be it. Who cares...
Now let me ask you a question. How long will it take for you to realize that tseung does not have Overunity results he is claiming to have?
I need
number of months for an answer... because claims without proof cant go forever right?
I agree with steeltpu post: either he is getting paid to create traffic here or run scam; trying to gain monetary values with scam or he is foolish ...
Minde
Minde,
Won't it satisfy you and the rest that LT is planning on making at fool of himself at the Universities?
At least by your own assessment.
I support anything that has to do with Resonating Ferromagnetic Transformers.
Ok ... so steeltpu said to XS-NRG,
QuoteLike a little annoying bug that keeps crawling onto Tseung's shoes
you apparently are so self deluded as to think you will pull his concept tumbling down
when you actually will never be anything more than a minor annoyance to others
and probably largely ignored by Tseung.
What do you really hope to accomplish?
You are wasting your time and the time of others with your childish nonsense.
You contribute nothing and even waste your own time.
I assume you are either a paid troll or a total fool.
Then Minde said...
QuoteI agree with steeltpu post:
either he is getting paid to create traffic here or run scam;
trying to gain monetary values with scam or he is foolish ...
I agree with the both of you --> XS is either getting paid, a fool or most likely... a paid fool. ;o)~
Best Regards,
The Observer
yes and it get's better :D
hang on you and your Resonating Ferromagnetic Transformers HAHA
Quote from: XS-NRG on October 22, 2010, 03:01:36 PM
hang on you and your Resonating Ferromagnetic Transformers HAHA
You don't know what they are, do you, XS-NRG ?
The farewell dinner
My friends used the occasion of my leaving for the US as an excuse to get together. Most of them have heard the lead-out energy theory multiple times. One brought his son, Charles, who is doing a PhD in Physics.
Guest A: “Lawrence, what do you hope to achieve with your lead-out energy theory in US?â€
Tseung: “I hope to explain the theory and show the prototypes to a couple of Universities or Organizations. If they can help in the verification and confirmation of the Lead-out energy theory, I am satisfied.â€
Guest B: “Do you plan to raise venture capital to start a Company focused on lead-out energy?â€
Tseung: “No. At my age, I do not have the energy or the desire to start a Company. Let the young ones do it.â€
Charles: “Uncle Lawrence, this is the first time I meet you. My father gave your material to me a few months back and asked me to look into it carefully. May I summarize my thoughts and ask a couple of questions?â€
Tseung: “Please do.â€
Charles: “The biggest fear for a Physicist is to be labeled as one believing in Perpetual Motion Machines. Colleagues may laugh at him as not knowing the Law of Conservation of Energy. When I first received your material, I dismissed it immediately. The first thought was â€" it was another fruitless attempt to violate the Laws of Physics. Do not waste time!â€
Guest A: “What make you change your mind?â€
Charles: “The continued email from my father. He forwarded the emails, conference pictures, news cuttings and the Internet posts.â€
Guest B: “Is there a single event that changed your attitude?â€
Charles: “A few weeks ago, I decided to replicate the enhanced Joule Thief. I have oscilloscopes, signal generators, DC power supplies and various electronics components at my University. I got another two friends to do the experiments while we watched football. It was treated as a weekend diversion. To our surprise, the two oscilloscopes did show the results posted by Uncle Lawrence.â€
Guest A: “What did you do then?â€
Charles: “We then took the lead-out energy information and studied it carefully from square one. Here is my summary:
1. Lead-out energy theory does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2. Air is an energy-carrier. The toy water-gun or rocket may indeed use energy from still air. The Tseung Pump with one-way valves to pump air+water up may be practical if continuous pumping of water is required.
3. I bought a pendulum toy and took it apart. I listened to the relatively loud clicking sound when the toy was exposed to strong light. That sound represented energy. Can the tiny solar cell provide that much energy? I double and triple checked the mathematics from Uncle Lawrence. I did a spreadsheet program myself. That convinced me that gravitational energy can be lead-out. That pendulum toy is a working example.
4. The tuning fork resonance experiment solved my final puzzle. I know that if the two tuning forks are slightly different in frequency, there will be no resonance.
5. My own experiment with FLEET showed that the COP varied greatly with small changes in winding, electrical components and wiring. That is one of the characteristics of resonance.
I shall do more experiments and discuss it more with my fellow research students.â€
Guest B: “Will you talk to your professors?â€
Charles: “Not yet. I have the same fear â€" the Professors may laugh at me and throw me out from the PhD program. They will automatically dismiss any idea or concept if they believe that concept is associated with perpetual motion machines. It will take time.â€
Guest C: “Do you think that they will read the verification reports from other Universities?â€
Charles: “At one time, some Professors published information on cold fusion. That caused much excitement. But that turned out to be a mistake. The lead-out energy is more far-reaching. I am sure that we shall be very, very careful. It is likely that we shall discuss and do the experiments behind closed doors for months first.â€
Guest A: “Do you need to apply for research grants?â€
Charles: “The good thing about research in my University is that no one really cares about why or what you actually do if you use existing equipment. The use of the two oscilloscopes cost me a can of beer and some snacks. I can buy the missing components of the HK$20 FLEET prototype easily. This dinner alone cost much more.â€
Tseung: “To summarize, you know the physics and mathematics behind the lead-out energy theory. You can buy the water-guns, the pendulum toys and the tuning forks. You can replicate the two oscilloscope FLEET experiments. What is stopping you is the fear of being ridiculed. Is that correct?â€
Charles: “Yes. That fear is much greater with the top professors. They have their careers and reputation to protect.â€
Guest C: “Lawrence, you have the stage set. The road block from the academics is fear. So long as one Professor or one University publishes the verification results, you are home free.â€
Tseung: “I am bringing 8 working FLEET prototypes to US. HKU and Aaron can produce as many as they desire. There is a strong possibility that some groups may mass produce a DIY kit. It may be difficult for someone to build a water-gun, a solar pendulum toy or a FLEET from the parts and descriptions. However, it is easy for anyone to buy them if the cost is a few US dollars.â€
Guest A: “My advice is â€" find some second or third tier professors or universities. The potential Glory as pioneers of Lead-out energy may outweigh the Fear. Let them do their own additional experiments and shine. Let them share the Glory and Limelight.â€
Charles: “Do not forget me.â€
Interesting comments/Questions 1
Here are some interesting Comments or Questions at the farewell dinner.
Q1 Is the antique pendulum clock a lead-out energy device?
The traditional thinking is that the swinging pendulum will govern the time via the swinging frequency. Can the driving mechanism (falling weight or spring) lead-out some gravitational energy? Can that help to explain why such clocks can be so efficient?
Interesting comments/Questions 2
Here are some interesting Comments or Questions at the farewell dinner.
Q2 What is a true genius? Newton is one because everyone can see falling objects. He was the first one to discover the Laws of Motions and essentially started Modern Physics. Is Lee Cheung Kin another true genius?
Everyone has seen the ancient pendulum clock or the solar pendulum toy. Who was the first to propose that gravitational energy can be lead-out via such a mechanism? Is it the start of another round of rapid progress based on virtually infinite lead-out energy?
Interesting comments/Questions 3
Here are some interesting Comments or Questions at the farewell dinner.
Q3 Do the Chinese, US and other Governments know and developed the lead-out energy devices already?
They must have read the information on the Internet. They must have heard about Joseph Newman, John Bedini, Wang Shen He, Dr. Liang Sing Yan etc. Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung went to the China Patent Office and lectured at Tsinghua University. Todd Hathaway is an US Army Expert on Energy.
They are not promoting it yet. Is it because of the political and military significance?
My concluding statement at the farewell dinner
I believe that the time for acceptance of Lead-Out Energy Theory and prototypes is ripe. There are working Lead-Out Energy devices anyone can purchase today. Examples are the toy water guns, the old pendulum clocks, the solar pendulum toys and the tuning forks. Physicists will take another look at such devices. Many claimed overunity devices such as those from Newman, Bedini, Wang, Liang etc. are not hoaxes. The best ebook with examples and explanations I found is from Patrick Kelly.
I am not a skilled technician. With help from Tong Po Chi, we managed to demonstrate the overunity Tong Wheel to over 10,000 visitors. With help from Hong Kong University, the Students and Aaron, we managed to produce the less than HK$20 FLEET prototypes that can conclusively demonstrate overunity. My task now is to get the lead-out energy theory validated and the various overunity devices double checked by the academic community outside Hong Kong.
I have confidence that Aaron with the help of Hong Kong University will be able to continue the research and development work in Hong Kong and China.
There will be many unknowns as I go to USA. The contacts will be new. The electronic stores will be unfamiliar. The helpers need to be trained. The attitude and political climate will post new challenges. I shall trust in the Almighty to guide and protect me.
HAHAHAHAHA How long will you need this time? Clown
Message from Lee Cheung Kin
Lee: “Please put the following message on the Internet for me. I have been touring China for the last two months talking to lead-out energy inventors. They all studied our lead-out energy theory diligently. China is well advanced in this field. Many inventors have working prototypes. Some joined my group and I would like you to generate some informal publicity for us.â€
Tseung: “Sure. I am the Internet Big Mouth. What is the message?â€
Lee: “Our group has three types of products ready for demonstration today.
1. Products related to 3-D photography. The products include cameras, printed pictures, computer monitors etc. Prototypes are ready for demonstration today.
2. Products related to lead-out energy electricity generators. The rotating systems can generate 20KW now. The flux change systems can generate 10KW now. The prototypes are available to show to qualified persons.
3. Products related to health. Our group have hand-held pulse machines that can help to identify potential or actual illness. Such machines can also send pulses to cure the illness. Lee attributed his good health to the use of such machines. The machine is available for demonstration and evaluation to any individual in Hong Kong now.â€
Please email Mr. Lee Cheung Kin directly â€" cheungkin331@hkbn.net. People from his group can read and write English and can do the qualifying process.
Look like some Promising Info.
Thanks LT.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 24, 2010, 09:30:56 AM
The rotating systems can generate 20KW now. The flux change systems can generate 10KW now.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
i must admit, when ever anyone states "we have a system that generates 10KW this....or 20KW that"......i always have to think......" how did you ascertain that?...how did you test it?....you must have some awefully thick cables to handle that current at a moderate voltage.....or conversely some awefully good HV insulators at a moderate current"
kind of like when Don Smith claims 5KW this or that......but offers no evidence of "how" he tested or ascertained that number.
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 24, 2010, 09:30:56 AM
....
Tseung: “Sure. I am the Internet Big Mouth. What is the message?â€
....
Er, no... You're the Internet's biggest clown and the message is simply, you need to take your pills!
cheers
chrisC
:D
An interesting comment from a Politics Scholar
Why is China progressing so rapidly?
The following reasons were offered:
1. The one child policy. That policy had the effect of providing incredible support for the young generation. At least 6 adults poured their love and resources to a single child (father, mother, the four grandparents). Such support has never happened in the history of mankind.
2. The extremely fierce competitive spirit. The gold medals in Olympics proved this point. The hidden pride and drive that China can be the number one in the World is slowly emerging. In order to achieve this goal, much dedication and hard work is required. If a Westerner spends 3 hours in training, the Chinese athlete will spend 5 hours. (If the Western Scientist wounds 1 toroid, the Chinese counterpart wounds 3 toroids.)
3. The once low-wages enabled China to become the “Factory of the Worldâ€. History repeated itself â€" with Germany, Japan, the Asian Tigers and now China. Initially, the competitive edge was low cost. Then it became high quality. Japan lost its momentum when it speculated on property values. China, hopefully, learned that lesson.
4. The low social benefits. When the basic social benefits could not provide a decent standard of living, the masses had to work hard and seek opportunities. This is likely to continue for some years in China. However, the general population sees hope and progress. They actively participate in the wealth building process. The stories of the poor farmer or factory worker becoming millionaire are still plentiful and motivating.
5. The average student does better In his studies than other countries. Most families still believe in education as the key in improving standard of living.
6. The willingness to accept and examine new concepts. If the new concept is superior to the existing Western ideas, the urge to study it is even greater. This may explain why the Lead-Out Energy Theory and Prototypes got so much more support in China.
7. The return of many top scientists to China. China sent many students aboard to study. These students are the elites. They are well respected when they return to China. They bring the latest and greatest ideas. (The lead-out energy theory is an obvious example.)
8. There is no burden of past reputation. The Western Scientists fear the ridicule of being labeled as believing in the “impossible perpetual motion machineâ€. The Chinese Scientists love the challenge of dethroning the Western Authorities. In resonance experiments when the parameters are not totally known yet, a Western Scientist may give up after a few attempts. A Chinese Scientist is likely to keep working forever. The chance of hitting resonance condition is greatly increased.
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 24, 2010, 11:26:12 PM
An interesting comment from a Politics Scholar
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7. The return of many top scientists to China. China sent many students aboard to study. These students are the elites. They are well respected when they return to China. They bring the latest and greatest ideas. ....
Well, all we have to go by is one looney the USA discarded who subsequently went back to Hong Kong and is supported by his son and now counting on the commie government to prop his delusions!
Oh, btw, I just came back from Shanghai and the World Expo. I was severely disappointed by the masses of 'educated' Chinese who have no manners nor respect for others - jumping queues, smoking in non-smoking areas, rushing into subway trains before passengers got off and of course spitting everywhere. Are these the elite scholars that went back to China because they can't get a job offer in the States? Or maybe the Politics Scholar didn't notice his own behavior and that's why he could not fit into normal American society?
cheers
chrisC
XS... Chris,
I believe that a
--->Single Joule Thief Resonating Multiple High Voltage Transformers <---
will provide free energy.
Why?
1. Well a piece of Ferrite AMPLIFIES the field of a coil by 100,000 times !
Thanks to unpaired infinitely spinning electrons within the Ferrite.
2. An Acoustic Guitar Cavity Amplifies the string's sound by 1000 times !
Or Two Tuning Forks ring louder and longer than 1 when only 1 is struck.
Best Regards,
The Observer
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/872-disclosureevent
Quote
The results of China's plan, if not somehow thwarted, should lead to a tremendous disclosure of free-energy technologies, and the science to understand them, hopefully on a near-term basis.
Prof. Y: “What are the chances of Tseung not able to perform his experiments in USA?â€
Prof. Z: “What are the chances of the water-gun stopping to jet out water+air?â€
Prof. X: ‘What are the chances of the pendulum toy stop swinging in USA?â€
Prof. Z: “What are the chances of the tuning forks not resonating in Irvine?â€
Prof. X: “What are the chances of the 8 FLEET prototypes all failed to work?â€
Prof. Z:â€What are the chances of the Professors and Students at Hong Kong University all suddenly turned dumb and fail to replicate the HK$20 FLEET prototype?â€
Prof. X: “It appears that the momentum is unstoppable. If Tseung succeeds in his demonstrations in USA, there is tremendous pressure to disclose the full free-energy technologies and the underlying theories.â€
Prof. Y:â€
May God help us with such a big social and political change.â€
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 25, 2010, 04:03:30 AM
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/872-disclosureevent
...
OMG, Old Tseung. You just proved you are completely delusional if you believe this crap! No wonder you're so full of (crap) between your ears!
cheers
chrisC
delusional AND blind
There is a kunel patent , a patent of michel meyer .
There is the meg of thomas bearden, the devices of richard willis.
And they are all similar have many things in common.
The best composer is allways having the most interpreters.
So if a concept is repeated by many, the concept of an individual
may be denied, but not the ground principle.
Richard Willis = Kunel Patent
You won't waste much money nor time trying this , and I will do so.
the MEG of thomas bearden......what a beautiful "gate-keeping" device that is.(anybody who doesnt know what a gate-keepr is, feel free to ask )
and...richard willis , with ready to ship KW OU devices surrounded by a ....plywood box?
err....do i need to say anything else.
dont get me wrong about the plywood thing.....its just that, if hes shippping out "OU products" to consumers.......then.....plywood doesnt exactly seem the most "professional" surrounding, does it
Quote from: rave154 on October 25, 2010, 04:31:04 PM
the MEG of thomas bearden......what a beautiful "gate-keeping" device that is.(anybody who doesnt know what a gate-keepr is, feel free to ask )
and...richard willis , with ready to ship KW OU devices surrounded by a ....plywood box?
err....do i need to say anything else.
dont get me wrong about the plywood thing.....its just that, if hes shippping out "OU products" to consumers.......then.....plywood doesnt exactly seem the most "professional" surrounding, does it
Good observation Rave. Too many people want to believe because some clown writes like he's an authority on his 'perceived' invention.... Sigh.
cheers
chrisC!
I believe…
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of the water gun or the water rocket.
1. Air is not a fuel but an energy carrier. The actual equations are:
2. Energy of Air In (Ein) = Volume of Air In x Pressure of Air In
3. Energy of Air Out (Eout) = Volume of Air Out x Pressure of Air Out
4. Ein can be greater than Eout
5. The difference (Ein â€" Eout) is the Lead-out Energy. It is from the Energy of Still Air. This is in addition to other Input Energy such as pumping etc.
6. The water gun or water rocket is so efficient because it uses such lead-out energy.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
I believe…
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of the solar pendulum toy. The solar pendulum toy is so efficient because it uses lead-out gravitational energy.
1. If a pendulum is pulled or pushed with a horizontal force, it will rise in height. There will be work done (energy) in the horizontal and vertical direction. So long as there is tension in the string, there can be lead-out gravitational energy.
2. The mathematics and physics of applying a 10 unit horizontal force to 60 units of pendulum bob weight conclusively proved that two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical energy approximately. This vertical energy is energy from gravity.
3. The pulsed pendulum (e.g. Solar Pendulum Toy) is an example of gravitational energy being lead-out in a continuous fashion. In other words, it is an overunity device that has been around for years.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
I believe…
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of resonance. Resonance is a form of lead-out energy. For example, if you have two tuning forks with resonance boxes purchased from:
http://vanshikaos.tradeindia.com/Exporters_Suppliers/Exporter17089.265510/Tuning-Forks-on-Resonance-Box-.html
1. If you strike one tuning fork with the provided hammer, the other tuning fork will also produce the tone. You can have three, four or more of such tuning forks on resonance boxes. The resulting sound is much louder and lasts much longer than that from striking a single tuning fork alone.
2. Some people wrongly believed that the entire energy from the many tuning forks were from the striking of the first tuning fork. They refused to believe that energy could come from the surrounding.
3. Another plausible explanation that does not violate any Laws of Physics is that surrounding energy can be lead-out (or brought-in) via the resonance mechanism. The sound wave uses the surrounding air to pulse the second and other tuning forks. The pulsing has the same effect as pushing the pendulum at the right time. Gravitational energy is lead-out. The extra energy is responsible for the much louder sound. This is a perfectly scientific explanation of resonance.
4. This also explains why that the amplitude of oscillation or vibration rises exponentially at or near resonance. When the COP is greater than 1, the feedback of (1.n x 1.n x 1.n….) explains the exponential behavior perfectly.
5. Other resonance systems have similar characteristics.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
I believe…
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of leading out magnetic energy. He gave me the inspiration to get Ms. Forever Yuen to do the magnetic pendulum experiment. Forever replaced the ordinary pendulum bob with a magnet and put an additional magnet below the new magnetic bob. The period of oscillation charged.
1. If gravitational energy can be lead-out via pulsing an ordinary pendulum, we must be able to lead-out magnetic energy via pulsing a magnetic pendulum in a magnetic field.
2. The use of the magnetic field is even better because we can vary its strength, its direction and even turn it on or off.
3. We can extend the pulsed oscillation to pulsed rotation. This is the physics behind the Tong Po Chi Wheel. This is also the physics behind the Newman, the Bedini, the Wang, the Liang and other rotational systems that claim overunity. They are not hoaxes. They just need to be pulsed with the right strength at the right time. We can imagine them as resonance systems.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 26, 2010, 01:02:28 AM
I believe…
I believe in Santa Claus. Does that make Santa Claus real?
Oh Yes, I also believe in the Almighty but I also believe the Almighty
1. Does not invest in delusional people
2. Does not approve of unethical persons to masquerade in different identities in order to foster their own interests.
3. Does not approve of scams in order to enrich their own pockets.
4. Does not approval of persons who continue to promise X,Y, Z but delivered none.
5. Does not approval of plagiarizing other people's work.
6. Does not approve of taking His name in vain.
7. Does not approve of misquoting scripture verses in order to promote his own interest
And of course, you're quoting the Bible wrongly (again). The Bible states:
You shall love your God will your might, with all your strength and with all your soul.... (Matthew 22:34-40), not about defending this 'God granted truth...' which is what you have deluded yourself all along!
Time to take your medicine, Mister Tseung!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 01:30:53 AM
I believe in Santa Claus. Does that make Santa Claus real?
Oh Yes, I also believe in the Almighty but I also believe the Almighty
1. Does not invest in delusional people
2. Does not approve of unethical persons to masquerade in different identities in order to foster their own interests.
3. Does not approve of scams in order to enrich their own pockets.
4. Does not approval of persons who continue to promise X,Y, Z but delivered none.
5. Does not approval of plagiarizing other people's work.
6. Does not approve of taking His name in vain.
7. Does not approve of misquoting scripture verses in order to promote his own interest
And of course, you're quoting the Bible wrongly (again). The Bible states:
You shall love your God will your might, with all your strength and with all your soul.... (Matthew 22:34-40), not about defending this 'God granted truth...' which is what you have deluded yourself all along!
Time to take your medicine, Mister Tseung!
cheers
chrisC
you believe in imaginary godfairies? ::)
time to take your medicine...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 26, 2010, 02:14:33 AM
you believe in imaginary godfairies? ::)
time to take your medicine...
You have anything new or original to contribute? Or are you still pissing(as in urinating) on yourself, Wilby?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 02:17:41 AM
You have anything new or original to contribute? Or are you still pissing(as in urinating) on yourself, Wilby?
cheers
chrisC
it's very amusing that you give larry so much grief for his theory and demand evidence of his claims, yet you yourself believe in imaginary godfairies without the slightest bit of evidence... do you know what integrity is?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 26, 2010, 02:25:24 AM
it's very amusing that you give larry so much grief for his theory and demand evidence of his claims, yet you yourself believe in imaginary godfairies without the slightest bit of evidence... do you know what integrity is?
Obviously, you're some sort of God forsaken pagan. Now, that's why some mothers have them!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 02:29:00 AM
Obviously, you're some sort of God forsaken pagan. Now, that's why some mothers have them!
cheers
chrisC
use whatever label you choose, it matters not. but now why is it that larry can't make up 'crazy theories' as you would describe them, theories with no evidence according to your argument, and yet in your very next breath you can talk about your imaginary godfairy as if it is real?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 26, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
use whatever label you choose, it matters not. but now why is it that larry can't make up 'crazy theories' as you would describe them, theories with no evidence according to your argument, and yet in your very next breath you can talk about your imaginary godfairy as if it is real?
OK, you're obviously not very intelligent, maybe living between the railway tracks makes it difficult to understand reality. Go, take a walk outside for 10 minutes. Get some fresh air. Put on earplugs so you can't hear the trains. Come back and re-read the last 10 threads. Then maybe, just maybe it will make some sense to you. But I'm not yet confident you have enough active brain cells to comprehend. Goodnight Wilby.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 02:39:43 AM
OK, you're obviously not very intelligent, maybe living between the railway tracks makes it difficult to understand reality. Go, take a walk outside for 10 minutes. Get some fresh air. Put on earplugs so you can't hear the trains. Come back and re-read the last 10 threads. Then maybe, just maybe it will make some sense to you. But I'm not yet confident you have enough active brain cells to comprehend. Goodnight Wilby.
cheers
chrisC
ok, obviously you're not that intelligent, so let me spell it out for you. your reply #1073 is nonsensical and contradictory.
you said:
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 01:30:53 AM
I believe in Santa Claus. Does that make Santa Claus real?
Oh Yes, but I also believe the Almighty
now, apply the question (does that make 'it' real?) you posed in your first sentence to the statement "I also believe in the Almighty"... if you aren't as stupid as i think you are, you will conclude the answer to be no. now, that being said, do you have any material evidence or a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary godfairy? or do you believe in unsubstantiated 'flights of fancy' just as you accuse ltseung of? you've kind of talked yourself into a corner here. ;)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 26, 2010, 02:47:25 AM
ok, obviously you're not that intelligent, so let me spell it out for you. your reply #1073 is nonsensical and contradictory.
you said:now, apply the question (does that make 'it' real?) you posed in your first sentence to the statement "I also believe in the Almighty"... if you aren't as stupid as i think you are, you will conclude the answer to be no. now, that being said, do you have any material evidence or a logical proof for your imaginary godfairy? or do you believe in unsubstantiated 'flights of fancy' just as you accuse ltseung of? you've kind of talked yourself into a corner here. ;)
Which part of goodnight did you not understand? Let me spell it out and capitalize for you, GOOD-NIGHT!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 02:51:19 AM
Which part of goodnight did you not understand? Let me spell it out and capitalize for you, GOOD-NIGHT!
cheers
chrisC
you have time to post that but not an answer to my questions? ::) typical chrisc bullshit...
here they are again so you don't forget.
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 02:39:43 AM
OK, you're obviously not very intelligent, maybe living between the railway tracks makes it difficult to understand reality. Go, take a walk outside for 10 minutes. Get some fresh air. Put on earplugs so you can't hear the trains. Come back and re-read the last 10 threads. Then maybe, just maybe it will make some sense to you. But I'm not yet confident you have enough active brain cells to comprehend. Goodnight Wilby.
cheers
chrisC
ok, obviously you're not that intelligent, so let me spell it out for you. your reply #1073 is nonsensical and contradictory.
you said:
Quote from: chrisC on October 26, 2010, 01:30:53 AM
I believe in Santa Claus. Does that make Santa Claus real?
Oh Yes, but I also believe the Almighty
now, apply the question (does that make 'it' real?) you posed in your first sentence to the statement "I also believe in the Almighty"... if you aren't as stupid as i think you are, you will conclude the answer to be no. now, that being said, do you have any material evidence or a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary godfairy? or do you believe in unsubstantiated 'flights of fancy' just as you accuse ltseung of? you've kind of talked yourself into a corner here. ;)
Today I ran into this is tseungs post at Meyers wfc thread:
......" My theory of the Stan Meyer water cell
It is basically DC Pulse vis the Primary to a LCR resonance circuit in the Secondary. That will lead-out (bring-in) electron motion energy from the surrounding.
The details are in the thread - Pulsed DC Transformer with embedded magnets.
That explains why there is no 'one frequency to break up the water molecule". The frequency is the LCR resonance frequency and is "construction dependent". Stan Meyer actually "hit" on the more powerful technology of leading out energy via pulsing a resonance circuit. ".......
Soon old guy will put "LEAD OUT energy" sticker on everything he can run into.
Also his understanding on Meyers wfc/vic is so faulty... that is not how it works.
Quote from: minde4000 on October 27, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
Today I ran into this is tseungs post at Meyers wfc thread:
......" My theory of the Stan Meyer water cell
...
Also his understanding on Meyers wfc/vic is so faulty... that is not how it works.
You are correct Minde. Deluded people always have one track mind - everything can be explained through their 'discovery'! This gentleman really needs to take his medicine.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: minde4000 on October 27, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
Also his understanding on Meyers wfc/vic is so faulty... that is not how it works.
so how does it work? better yet, instead of running your mouth about how it allegedly works, why don't you DEMONSTRATE how it works?
you have no clue how meyer's wfc/vic worked or you would have a working one... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 12:16:07 AM
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you have no clue how meyer's wfc/vic worked or you would have a working one... ::)
you're talking into the mirror, quite obviously.
cheers
chrisC
Say Minde,
Stan used a HIGH VOLTAGE FERROMAGNETIC TRANSFORMER
in a SERIES RESONANT CIRCUIT
to charge his Water Capacitor.
Because of Free Unpaired Electron Spin present in Ferromagnetic Materials and the phenomenon of Resonance...
It is probable that he would have much less success without a FerroCore or a Resonant Circuit.
It is fair to say he 'led out 'energy from at least two or more unrecognized sources.
Do you have a better term for it?
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 12:16:07 AM
you have no clue how meyer's wfc/vic worked or you would have a working one... ::)
Dam! A little cocky here but whatever... you dont have to see anything I have..
@The Observer
Because of Free Unpaired Electron Spin present in Ferromagnetic Materials and the phenomenon of Resonance... It is fair to say he 'led out 'energy from at least two or more unrecognized sources - thats what you think about water fracturing process ? = blablablablabla - you have no idea what Meyer was describing in his patents do you? Altho if you did you wouldnt have posted this crap here obviously..
Minde
Minde,
Stan put the electric dipole of water in the midst of a very high electric field.
Then pulsed the system at the resonant frequency of water.
Basically he pulled (put the water dipole under lots of tension) and jiggled (resonated) the water molecules apart.
The High Electric Field of the Water Capacitor is producd by way of the FerroMagnetic Transformer.
The Resonant Condition of the Circuit allows for low current loss.
Dude, when you claim to know how something works... you then state what that is.
Please do not make a claim without backing it up.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@The Observer
Stan put the electric dipole of water in the midst of a very high electric field = Correct.
Then pulsed the system at the resonant frequency of water = WRONG.
Basically he pulled (put the water dipole under lots of tension) = CORRECT and jiggled (resonated) the water molecules apart.
The High Electric Field of the Water Capacitor is producd by way of the FerroMagnetic Transformer = Somewhat wrong. Its the product of the whole VIC circuit RESONANT CHARGING process including transformer.
The Resonant Condition of the Circuit allows for low current loss.
Dude, when you claim to know how something works = where do I claim? Where? I say what patent says - I DON'T CLAIM ... you then state what that is.
Please do not make a claim without backing it up = dont tell me what to do. Period.
What I do claim is that you never fully read his patents OR you are inexperienced enough to understand whats going on there.. You sound like those hundreds of hopeless youtubers who have lawton pwm and few SS pipes... and a capital letter name of their video "STAN MEYER REPLICATION"... who look for resonant water frequencies, resonant pipe sound frequencies, try luck with ignition coils, TV flybacks and all the other crap they could think of. And not a single one of them have proper VIC - besides Lawton himself and Ravi Raju.
This is the last post I argue with your dumb ass in this thread about wfc.
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on October 28, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
@The Observer
.... You sound like those hundreds of hopeless youtubers who have lawton pwm and few SS pipes... and a capital letter name of their video "STAN MEYER REPLICATION"... who look for resonant water frequencies, resonant pipe sound frequencies, try luck with ignition coils, TV flybacks and all the other crap they could think of. And not a single one of them have proper VIC - besides Lawton himself and Ravi Raju.
This is the last post I argue with your dumb ass in this thread about wfc.
Minde
@Minde
Hahaha! You certainly are correct in putting these so called 'resonance' parrots or those people with little knowledge to shame. They are continuing to piss and urinate on themselves and sounding very silly indeed! Thank you.
Well, let's see what the snake oil salesman, Mr. Tseung, has to show in his dog and pony USA show. He thinks the US is full of uneducated farmers like what you see in the interior of China.
cheers
chrisC
There you go , work this out first .
Get pass you childhood frustration .
haha this lead out the clown soap is getting better by the day :D
Quote from: minde4000 on October 28, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
Dam! A little cocky here but whatever... you dont have to see anything I have..
Minde
cherry pick much? why did you ignore/avoid the questions in my first sentence and only quote/respond to half my post? no matter, i'll repeat them for you...
so how does it work? better yet, instead of running your mouth about how it allegedly works, why don't you DEMONSTRATE how it works?you can always shut me up by DEMONSTRATING your working meyers wfc... ::)
which should be no problem for you to build because you know how it works... right?
Quote from: chrisC on October 28, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
They are continuing to piss and urinate on themselves
pissing and urinating are the same thing... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
cherry pick much? why did you ignore/avoid the questions in my first sentence and only quote/respond to half my post? no matter, i'll repeat them for you...
so how does it work? better yet, instead of running your mouth about how it allegedly works, why don't you DEMONSTRATE how it works?
you can always shut me up by DEMONSTRATING your working meyers wfc... ::) which should be no problem for you to build because you know how it works... right?
And tell me WHY do I have to demonstrate you ANYTHING? Give me a single reason why? Who cares about shutting you up...who cares of what you think... the more I am going to say the more you going to sqeel.
You just a joke kid. Go find your water resonance and youll be alright ;D
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on October 28, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
And tell me WHY do I have to demonstrate you ANYTHING? Give me a single reason why? Who cares about shutting you up...who cares of what you think... the more I am going to say the more you going to sqeel.
You just a joke kid. Go find your water resonance and youll be alright ;D
Minde
because you made the claim that he didn't know how meyers wfc worked and you did... i'm simply asking you to back up your claim with some, a bit, ANY substance if you want
ANY credibility. or you could continue to run around on free energy forums shouting "i've read the patent" while having NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE to demonstrate... ::)
if you know how it works why don't you have a working wfc?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 09:26:13 PM
because you made the claim that he didn't know how meyers wfc worked and you did... i'm simply asking you to back up your claim with some, a bit, ANY substance if you want ANY credibility.
if you know how it works why don't you have a working wfc?
And why do you think Minde needs to give you an answer? You are after all, a hobbie living between railway tracks. Aren't you?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 28, 2010, 09:29:05 PM
And why do you think Minde needs to give you an answer? You are after all, a hobbie living between railway tracks. Aren't you?
cheers
chrisC
he doesn't need to give me an answer, he needs to demonstrate his claim that he knows how meyer's wfc works if he expects anyone to believe him. meyer's patents are garbage. anyone who has built a DUT from his patents knows this. the only people who don't are talking heads and sycophants like you chris...
hey mental midget, where i live is irrelevant. ::) how many different logical fallacies do you use in a day? and don't you have an imaginary godfairy to prostrate yourself before?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
he doesn't need to give me an answer, he needs to demonstrate his claim that ...
And, one more time again, (read my lips..) he DOESN'T need to!
You're nobody, really. Perhaps the real mental midget is yourself!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 28, 2010, 10:11:57 PM
And, one more time again, (read my lips..) he DOESN'T need to!
You're nobody, really. Perhaps the real mental midget is yourself!
cheers
chrisC
::) yeah can you read my words?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
he doesn't need to give me an answer, he needs to demonstrate his claim that he knows how meyer's wfc works if he expects anyone to believe him.
Rofl you guys ;D
@Willy
Once again I do not claim anything. I just corrected stuff that he said. Thats all.
Also could you please point me to at least a single person who has circuit worth to be called "meyer replica" since you said everybody who built.. Do they hide or just never post anywhere? Links would be awesome. Meyer patents are golden in my opinion - but interpretation of them by general public is unfortunately not... what is up with all those other journeys to search for all kind of water or sound resonant frequency and those many videos without any proper setup? I believe the problem is that people dont understand what they are doing isnt it? For those who do and succeed - they dont show off ... because if you will try to show off you might get hurt ... someone got poisoned .. someone threated badly.. other got silenced ... how far would YOU go? Or you think black ops is a mit?
Minde
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on October 28, 2010, 10:46:23 PM
Rofl you guys ;D
@Willy
Once again I do not claim anything. I just corrected stuff that he said. Thats all.
Also could you please point me to at least a single person who has circuit worth to be called "meyer replica" since you said everybody who built.. Do they hide or just never post anywhere? Links would be awesome. Meyer patents are golden in my opinion - but interpretation of them by general public is unfortunately not... what is up with all those other journeys to search for all kind of water or sound resonant frequency and those many videos without any proper setup? I believe the problem is that people dont understand what they are doing isnt it? For those who do and succeed - they dont show off ... because if you will try to show off you might get hurt ... someone got poisoned .. someone threated badly.. other got silenced ... how far would YOU go? Or you think black ops is a mit?
Minde
Minde
so it would be more correct to say you
think you know how it works, rather than you
know how it works. as far as links to a "meyer replica" (not sure why you quoted it like that as i never said those words...) i am not aware of any working "replication" and that includes dave and ravi.
do they hide? i don't know. what's up with the "journeys"? again, i don't know, but at least they are doing something other than talking and hypothesising. poisoned, hurt, and how far would i go? my moped runs on h2o and no one has poisoned, threatened, silenced or hurt me... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
1. meyer's patents are garbage. anyone who has built a DUT from his patents knows this.
2. my moped runs on h2o and no one has poisoned, threatened, silenced or hurt me...
1. Meyer's patents are garbage? Dam... ;D . Who is
"anyone" I am asking again?
2. No shit? You certainly dont share any info such as photos or videos on that do you? Where is that proof you so asking from me? ;D
You just made yourself look really sad dude...
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on October 29, 2010, 12:18:17 AM
1. Meyer's patents are garbage? Dam... ;D . Who is "anyone" I am asking again?
2. No shit? You certainly dont share any info such as photos or videos on that do you? Where is that proof you so asking from me? ;D
You just made yourself look really sad dude...
Minde
1. you're engaging in a logical fallacy know as a red herring minde. you said you know how meyer's wfc works, i asked you to demostrate it. all you have done since is change the subject and dance around. you're the sad looking one.
2. no shit. no i certainly don't, look in the mirror and you'll know why... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 29, 2010, 12:23:08 AM
1. you're engaging in a logical fallacy know as a red herring minde. you said you know how meyer's wfc works, i asked you to demostrate it. all you have done since is change the subject and dance around. you're the sad looking one.
2. no shit. no i certainly don't, look in the mirror and you'll know why... ::)
No further comments.. You think what you want. No wander you support scam..
End of story
Minde
Quote from: minde4000 on October 29, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
No further comments.. You think what you want. No wander you support scam..
End of story
Minde
more logical fallacy... imagine that. ::) i'll play along though, for a bit. what scam is it that you think i support?
i'll repeat the question you have repeatedly avoided answering and instead chose to respond with logical fallacies:
if you know how meyer's wfc works why don't you have a working wfc?because you only
think you know how it works...
end of story.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 29, 2010, 01:04:55 AM
more logical fallacy... imagine that. ::) i'll play along though, for a bit. what scam is it that you think i support?
i'll repeat the question you have repeatedly avoided answering and instead chose to respond with logical fallacies: if you know how meyer's wfc works why don't you have a working wfc?
because you only think you know how it works...
end of story.
Hey hobo. Just to remind you before you go too far off the tangent. You're not riding your moped between railway tracks anymore, this thread and comedy show is about Tseung's delusions, not about Meyers wfc.
cheers
chrisC
Tseung is the clown, not meyer.
No worries here fellows. You might throw a word "think" for a reason and he already gets all paranoid... and he is all knowing! He knows what I have and what I dont have. He thinks if I had something I would be definately showing off otherwise I dont have anything... he is so lame.. ;D
Minde
Quote from: ltseung888 on October 24, 2010, 12:08:02 AM
Interesting comments/Questions 1
Here are some interesting Comments or Questions at the farewell dinner.
Q1 Is the antique pendulum clock a lead-out energy device?
....
Hey Lawrence.
Look! Steom is unabashedly selling a O.U kit for 399 Sterling pounds! I think you need to package your FLEET kit to sell at 399 Sterling pounds as well. This way people will think you've also discovered O.U!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/steorn-peddles-orbo-development-kit-snake-oil-optional/
After all, it's hard to tell one snake oil from another.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on October 29, 2010, 02:05:24 PM
Hey hobo. Just to remind you before you go too far off the tangent. You're not riding your moped between railway tracks anymore, this thread and comedy show is about Tseung's delusions, not about Meyers wfc.
cheers
chrisC
if you recall, i didn't bring up the subject. time for your medicine?
USA experience
Arrived on Oct 26, 2010. Observed the following:
1. On the freeway, most cars have only the driver. That is not the most efficient way of using resources.
2. The setting up of Internet service took a week. The resulting set up was slow and the problem is still being investigated. The technician is only responsible for making the connection â€" not the performance.
3. Without a car, there is no way to do food shopping, restaurants, etc. The homes and facilities in Irvine are very nice. But getting around without a car is almost impossible. Walking to the closest mall takes at least 30 minutes.
4. The neighbors are very helpful. They had a Halloween Party and I attended. The kids wore costumes. I gave two LED fans to two five year old girls. Those fans turned out to be big hits.
5. One of the participants in the party was Alex, a UC Irvine Student. He would check out lead-out energy on the Internet and share that information with his friends.
No car, no access to the electronic stores yet. The prototypes arrived in working condition. Shall follow the path directed by the Almighty.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069 and 1070)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of the Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer (FLEET).
1. Magnetic field can be produced by the rotating electrons around the nucleus.
2. There are trillions of electrons associated with any object. These rotating electrons have vast quantities of energy. If some of such energy is lead-out (or brought-in) into a machine, this machine will show virtually unlimited energy.
3. There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy. Such machines exchange energy with their surroundings and may turn the surrounding cold instead of hot. This may even reverse the effect of global warming.
4. There is no need to have physical rotation of the device. Electric or magnetic flux changes will suffice.
5. FLEET relies on the LCR matching (or resonance tuning) of the electronic components.
6. The eight prototypes in my possession in USA all showed COP > 1. More can be produced in Hong Kong now. More will be produced in USA after I have a chance to visit the electronic stores. These will be made available freely to Universities for verification.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
Thank you for the NICE post Lawrence.
That is super for you to keep us posted on how you are doing & the FLEET items.
Thanks again.
.
thanks man! ;D
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 03, 2010, 09:55:28 AM
thanks man! ;D
... for continuing the comedy channel! I agree.
cheers
chrisC
LT,
Welcome to the US !
I'm glad you made it safe and sound. ;o)
1. As far as transportation goes... sounds like learning the bus system is your best bet.
2. I appreciate the way you are talking about Magnetics (electrons whirling and all)
Remember... MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY is a very important scientific principle.
MP refers to the amount a ferromagnetic material AMPLIFIES the field of a coil
by means of previously Randomly Oriented Dipoles lining up with the coil's Field.
Since we are using a ferro core... it is important to to know how it works.
For example, if something has a MP of 100,000 like the cores you probably use... it Amplifies the Field of the Core by that much !
3. Keep us updated if you can.
Your Friend,
The Observer
oh good hes back.......i was worried for a while that the MIB might have showed up at the airport and Tseung might have had to have turned on his Lead Out Time displacement device and vanished ( like they did in "They Live" with their fancy watches )...... but thank goodness none of this nonsense ever happened.....and we can continue with the nonsense here ( and entertainment )
Quote from: rave154 on November 03, 2010, 02:27:50 PM
oh good hes back.......i was worried for a while that the MIB might have showed up at the airport and Tseung might have had to have turned on his Lead Out Time displacement device and vanished ( like they did in "They Live" with their fancy watches )...... but thank goodness none of this nonsense ever happened.....and we can continue with the nonsense here ( and entertainment )
Hahaha! Wouldn't it be nice if Tseung really has discovered O.U? Unfortunately, it's all between his ears where reality is often mixed up with virtual video games reality; much like a kid getting so engrossed into video games!
cheers
chrisC
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070 and 1113)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of how to measure the Input and Output Power when the waveform is pulsed, non AC or DC. The technique was taught to me by Prof. Kenneth Cheong in Hong Kong. It was confirmed by a number of other Professors in Electrical Engineering Departments in various places.
1. Instantaneous Power = Instantaneous Voltage x Instantaneous Current
2. The above statement is true no matter the power is AC, DC or pulsed.
3. An oscilloscope can capture the Instantaneous Voltage and display that as a waveform.
4. An oscilloscope can capture the Instantaneous Voltage across a one ohm resistor. That value can be used as the Instantaneous Current.
5. The Product of 3 and 4 gives the Instantaneous Power.
6. Some good oscilloscopes can automatically provide 5 and display that in graphical form.
7. Some better oscilloscopes can do the integration or send the data out to a computer to do the integration of the Power over time. The result of the integration gives the Input and Output Energy over that period.
8. The Coefficient of Performance {COP} is the ratio of the Output Energy over the Input Energy for the same period.
9. The 8 FLEET prototypes in my possession in USA showed COP > 1 and have been double and triple checked. I shall loan them to Universities for verification and confirmation. I shall also help such Universities to build their own FLEET prototypes.
10. If the Universities do not want to build and tune their own prototypes, they can work with Mr. Aaron Quant and/or Prof. Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University to get one.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
@all
Put a load on it , a bulb 3 to 4 watt should work and its more then the battery can deliver ...
And settle this for one ...
Mark
Quote from: Mk1 on November 03, 2010, 11:02:28 PM
@all
Put a load on it , a bulb 3 to 4 watt should work and its more then the battery can deliver ...
And settle this for one ...
Mark
Well, Tseung has told us he used 104(?) LED's and that's how he is convinced of O.U! I suspect each LED (on state) will draw micro amps. You're asking 3 or 4 W! That's like asking to borrow a comb from a Franciscan monk!
cheers
chrisC
If you don't have anything positive to say, just shut up.
There are certain people on these threads that criticize people,and don't bring anything of substance to the table.
then they become hero members for nothing.
It sounds like a bunch of frustated old ladies with nothing going on in their life.
look in the mirror!
Bill
Quote from: bille on November 03, 2010, 11:30:51 PM
If you don't have anything positive to say, just shut up.
There are certain people on these threads that criticize people,and don't bring anything of substance to the table.
then they become hero members for nothing.
It sounds like a bunch of frustated old ladies with nothing going on in their life.
look in the mirror!
Bill
OK billie boy, if you're so smart and know so much, tell us where the O.U is in tseung's circuit? Look in the mirror billie boy. See a blank face?
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
Nothing can be OU... OverUnity.
There are however... Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
If you examine the most Impressive Joule Thief Circuits that light CFLs,
you will find they have 1 or 2 things in common that are currently Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
1. They have a Ferromagnetic Core of High Magnetic Permeability.
That is, there are so many rotating Magnetic Dipoles, that it can amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 100,000 times !
2. If there is not a Ferro Core.. the Transformer must be Resonated to accomplish an impressive feat.
For beginners, just remember that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
Hope this helps...
Your Buddy,
The Observer
Hi Observer,
May I please have permission to copy your last post to Kapanadze thread.
I feel this is so pertinent.
Kindest Regards, Penno
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070, 1113 and 1120)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of Lead-out Energy. When we can lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding environment, there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.
1. I firmly believe that air is an energy carrier. When air flows into a system, it carries energy Ein equal to Pressure x Volume. This energy can be greater than Eout. The difference is the Lead-out energy from still air. (1068)
2. I firmly believe that the pulsed pendulum leads-out or brings-in gravitational energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought into the system. For small angles, two parts of horizontal energy leads-out one part of gravitational energy. (1069)
3. I firmly believe that the sound produced by two tuning forks in resonance is louder and lasts longer. The extra energy is lead-out from the surrounding air. (1070)
4. I firmly believe that magnetic energy can be lead-out using the same principle as the pulsed pendulum in 2. Magnetic field is even better than gravitational field because we can vary its strength, its direction and even turn it on or off. (1113)
5. I firmly believe that flux changes are equivalent to motion. The FLEET devices use flux changes and cheap (less than HK$20 or US$3) prototypes can be produced. (1120)
6. There are already many lead-out devices available â€" the water gun, the water rocket, the solar pendulum toy, the tuning forks on resonance boxes, the Newman, the Bedini, the Wang, the Liang, the Tong, the FLEET prototypes, etc. It is a matter of time before the academics understand, verify and confirm them.
7. The roadblock is the fear of being labeled as believing in impossible perpetual motion machines. I pledge to use whatever the Almighty grants me to help to remove this roadblock. I have eight working prototypes to loan to qualified organizations.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
Quote from: Mk1 on November 03, 2010, 11:02:28 PM
@all
Put a load on it , a bulb 3 to 4 watt should work and its more than the battery can deliver ...
And settle this for one ...
Mark
Dear Mark,
I believe Lady Jeanna and others in the Joule Thief thread already achieved that. They shared the information. Many other groups achieved better but are not willing to share. The financial interest is too big...
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 04, 2010, 05:12:56 AM
Dear Mark,
I believe Lady Jeanna and others in the Joule Thief thread already achieved that. They shared the information. Many other groups achieved better but are not willing to share. The financial interest is too big...
Nope this has not been done , in the joule thief thread we would love to see inductive loads , because we know that lighting led and cfl , only show's that they can be used at high freq from really low amps .
In a more efficient then the convention , but a light bulb that is something else .
I Can say with confidence that i am one of the founding members of the joule thief thread , read every page , and made most of my post in that tread , and am the first one to light bulbs from the secondary of a joule thief . Lighting a 10 watt cfl , is not having 10 watt , same for the leds .
Bulb ?Don't sit on the joule thief tread .
Mark
Ask gadget or Jeanna or pirate , yes i forget many .
This could be a great achievement , and easy to show on those scope shot .
bull-the-shit-e :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Penno,
Yes ... by all means.
I believe few here understand what Magnetic Permeability is and how it works.
Quite amazing that a piece of super-perma-alloy
could AMPLIFY the field of a coil
by 1,000,000 times !
Without using any extra current.
The Field of a coil is... B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
where μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
All others are constants for any given coil..
μ0 =Permeability of Free Space
N = number of turns
i = current
l = length
If something is FerroMagnetic it is gunna have a MP in the thousands to millions. (1,000 --> 1,000,000)
ANY OTHER MATERIAL ( 99.9 percent of all materials ) is ~ 1
A FerroMagnetic Material AMPLIFIES the Magnetic Field of a Coil many times without using any extra energy.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LT.. When resonating an object... I believe the extra energy comes from the object itself.
The resonant frequency of an object may have something
to do with the energy that makes that object exist in the first place.
So what you are doing is tapping into the energy that makes things exist.
In an acoustic guitar... the air is being resonating (helmholtz resonator), therefore the energy comes from the air.
In a tuning fork... the fork is being resonated, therefore the energy comes from the fork.
In a pendulum... the mass of the pendulum determines the amount of energy that can be 'led out', as you like to say.
My best thoughts are with you buddy !
Sincerely,
The Observer
Quote from: Mk1 on November 04, 2010, 05:26:18 AM
Nope this has not been done , in the joule thief thread we would love to see inductive loads , because we know that lighting led and cfl , only show's that they can be used at high freq from really low amps .
In a more efficient then the convention , but a light bulb that is something else .
I Can say with confidence that i am one of the founding members of the joule thief thread , read every page , and made most of my post in that tread , and am the first one to light bulbs from the secondary of a joule thief . Lighting a 10 watt cfl , is not having 10 watt , same for the leds .
Bulb ?Don't sit on the joule thief tread .
Mark
Ask gadget or Jeanna or pirate , yes i forget many .
This could be a great achievement , and easy to show on those scope shot .
THANK YOU. This will greatly help Aaron and HKU. One of the fears is that someone will claim that all their hard work was already done by the Joule Thief experts. Aaron has mastered the technique of using variable resistors, variable capacitors and variable inductors. In particular, he had produced some home-made inductors from low cost components.
Their LCR tuning work will not be in vain.I do appreciate and recognize that you are the first one to light the LED from the secondary. Dr. Raymond Ting and the students from our side also found that they could generate a higher peak-to-peak voltage from the secondary. There are tricks to improve performance with different winding techniques. Small changes can lead to greatly increased COP. The more loosely coupled secondary allowed more room for LCR tuning.
Quote
From: Ilya V.Babayev (ilya_babayev@mail.ru)
Sent: Thu 11/04/10 2:11 AM
To: Ltseung@hotmail.com
Cc: Ltseung@netvigator.com
Hello, Mr. Lawrence Tseung!
Me and my business partners are interested in your invention - magnetic pole generator. As a director of the MVS CO LTD I look forward to become your marketing partner. I also have some quetions about your generator. And I wonder, if it is not difficult, could buy two your of generators as an example for future clients. And I also want to know your terms of agreements. Please answer as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Ilya V. Babayev
Director of MVS CO LTD
I shall post all private email related to lead-out energy machines in the overunity.com forum. This will show that there are interests from the business world.
Inventors with products ready to sell may contact them directly.
Quote
Dear Mr. Lawrence Tseung,
Is it possible to send me a mail that you have received my mail?I would appreciate that very much,Kind regards,Ing. Dick KorfThe Netherlands- European Union
Another question: what is the output of the 5kW machine: DC or AC, whatvoltage, Amps and frequency? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van: Dick Korf
[mailto:d.korf@orange.nl] Namens 'Dick Korf'Verzonden: zondag 31 oktober 2010 23:00Aan: 'ltseung@hotmail.com
'Onderwerp: Wang Shum Ho 5kW electricity Generator
Dear Mr. Lawrence Tseung,
I've got information of the demonstration during the World Expo in Shanghaifrom the Wang Shum Ho 5kW electricity Generator and this makes me very enthusiastic as I'm busy now with free Energy during 3 years and the last1,5 years full time.
I understand that the demonstrated unit can really create 5kW although it is so small? I hope you can bring me in contact with the inventors.I would like to work together in introducing this machine in west Europe andat this moment especially in the Benelux= Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.I like to hear from you how to go ahead and probably you have more information about the machine so as: is the machine already production ready, etc.
Also information about conditions etc.
Kind regards,Ing.
Dick KorfThe Netherlands- European Union
Sounds like ltseung is ready to launch "Magniworks 2 - all new and improved" ;D
Minde
LOL @ Tseungs last 3 posts....
man, are those people gonna be dissapointed when he sends them Mickey Mouse on a pendulum
now i am convinced this man is delusional,psychotic and a complete idiot.
he must think some people buy all this making a fool out of him.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 04, 2010, 01:01:35 PM
What a load of self-invented BULL. I was in the Chinese Pavilion at the World Expo in China last month. There was no such demo. Do you think the Chinese Government will give expo. space to a delusional make belief scam artist? Mr. Tseung, please take your medicine.
I believe you are making up stories. What a pathetic clown!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: rave154 on November 04, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
LOL @ Tseungs last 3 posts....
man, are those people gonna be dissapointed when he sends them Mickey Mouse on a pendulum
LMAO! Great comedy.
cheers
chrisC
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Quote from: ltseung888 on November 04, 2010, 12:16:03 PM
THANK YOU. This will greatly help Aaron and HKU. One of the fears is that someone will claim that all their hard work was already done by the Joule Thief experts. Aaron has mastered the technique of using variable resistors, variable capacitors and variable inductors. In particular, he had produced some home-made inductors from low cost components.
Their LCR tuning work will not be in vain.
I do appreciate and recognize that you are the first one to light the LED from the secondary. Dr. Raymond Ting and the students from our side also found that they could generate a higher peak-to-peak voltage from the secondary. There are tricks to improve performance with different winding techniques. Small changes can lead to greatly increased COP. The more loosely coupled secondary allowed more room for LCR tuning.
Respectfully , yes a i was the first to light leds from the secondary and also the first to light incandescent bulb from the secondary also .
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/9/wS935WyumjY
And DC motor , you know inductive loads ...
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/6/eiLcbTBewhw
Well , all i can say is that you showed us your true side in the last post ...
Its all in the tuning , like you said .
If did put a load on the secondary you would have known that the Joule thief circuit reacts to the load in many different ways , like changing the freq , so by default your reasoning flawed .
By your own will , fool your self ...
Show me what you can do , before concluding that you out done us .
Plus any patent on the idea would clearly show intellectual fraud .
My guess is you tried little bulbs but couldn't do it . So you joule thief is not that good .
I always give the benefit of the doubt at first , closer inspection show something else ...
Btw a scope is not a load , what value resistor do you use ?
Mark
Quote from: Mk1 on November 04, 2010, 10:17:18 PM
Its all in the tuning , like you said .
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Btw a scope is not a load , what value resistor do you use ?
Mark
We used various loads on the secondary. The simplest one is a LED so that we can see light and a 1K or a 100 ohm variable resistor. The more complicated ones had additionally a capacitor and the 108 LEDs - we kept swapping capacitors until we observed good results on the two oscilloscopes.
The best prototype in my possession showed Output Power = 12 watts peak-to-peak. The very best one at Dr. Raymond Ting had Output Power = 48 watts peak-to-peak.
We also played with feedback. Some voltage was fed back via the variable resistor. The very best result was the continued lighting of the 108 LEDs while the Input Power was too low to measure on the oscilloscope. On turning off the Power Supply with 1 LED, the LED continued to light dimly for approximately 30 seconds.
The above were the best results I personally observed, measured or photographed in Hong Kong before Oct 26, 2010. I have not done any such tests in US yet.
One good result is shown below.
Nice scope shot , tell me what are you using for load on that experiment .
In other words what is connected to the secondary ?
Some diodes ? Led maybe ? just the scope ?
when you say you 104 led is that in the transistor , or the secondary .
The scope shot , is not helpful without any details.
Also , like people transistor are also different from one another , always test multiple transistor even of the same model and make.
Mark
It would be nice to see both of those scopes in progress on unedited video with all probes and cables clearly visible.
Minde
Home made variable inductor
Aaron showed me how to make cheap variable inductors while I was in Hong Kong. The technique was simple and the results were acceptable. Observer, pese and Mk1 might be happy to find that the resultant inductance as measured on the meter varied greatly when different bars of different material were inserted. The length of insertion also affected the readings as expected.
Observer, you are right. The best result we obtained were the ferromagnetic toroidal rings we used to wind our Joule Thief circuits. We wrapped a number of them together to form a tube. The result was better than the iron or steel bars we used. Magnetic permeability played an important part.
I believe Aaron and the HKU team can now vary resistance and inductance easily to produce the various LCR circuits for tuning. I eagerly wait for their results. I hope they will provide full details of their circuits and component parts with full pictures, scope shots and computer generated analysis results.
I do not have the chance to do similar experiments in US yet. Still waiting for the first visit to an electronics store!
Will some suitable LCR circuits lead-out 1KW??? Is the Steven Mark TPU a working example???
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: Mk1 on November 05, 2010, 02:41:08 AM
Nice scope shot , tell me what are you using for load on that experiment .
In other words what is connected to the secondary ?
Some diodes ? Led maybe ? just the scope ?
when you say you 104 led is that in the transistor , or the secondary .
The scope shot , is not helpful without any details.
Also , like people transistor are also different from one another , always test multiple transistor even of the same model and make.
Mark
That particular scope shot was done on July 14, 2010. The toroid was air coil with the Joule Thief circuit sandwiched between two transformer type windings. The load was in the secondary. The load consisted of one capacitor, one LED and a 1K ohm variable resistor. I have no access to that particular configuration now as those parts are now in Hong Kong with Dr. Raymond Ting.
I believe that the Hong Kong Teams are moving much faster than me. It will take some time for me to set up a new team in US.
HAHA OMG. old guy never heard of a microchip eh?
get educated man!
coming apart at the seams....isnt it :-X
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120 and 1127)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of why the average academic person is afraid to discuss Lead-out Energy in Public. It is the fear of being ridiculed as believing in the impossible perpetual motion machine.
1. I recalled my first experiment with lead-out energy. Mr. Gao and I were doing some experiments on the effect of pushing and pulling of water in 2003. In one of the experiments, air accidentally leaked into our apparatus. Water+Air kept overflowing out even though the height of the pipe was much higher than that of the top of the water tank. Instead of wiping the floor, we stared at the phenomenon and wondered why!
2. The obvious question was â€" if we allowed the overflowing water to fall back to the water tank, could it do work and repeat the cycle forever???
3. Mr. Peter Chan then told me about his friend, Mr. Kwan, who had a perpetual motion water pump. I was extremely critical. However, I was willing to examine his information. Mr. Kwan was a victim of the Cultural Revolution in China. He did not have a chance to finish Secondary School and had no training in Mathematics or Physics.
4. When I examined the information, I found that that pump used running water to suck in air. The resultant water+air column could rise up to 10 meters. My initial reaction was that the phenomenon was the U-tube effect. On one side is water. On the other side is water+air. The water+air column could be much higher than that of the water column.
5. I told Mr. Kwan that there was no magic. It was purely physics. He then gave me some experimental data. As a physicist, I used my instinct and training to do the mathematics. It turned out that either the experimental data was wrong or my simple explanation was wrong.
6. Since I had the time, I did much re-examining of the theory and the data. I thought more about the water+air overflowing incident. It then occurred to me that air may be carrying energy into and out of the device.
7. I quickly devised the simple experiment with the beach pump and the one-way valves. When water+air was pumped up to over five floors, I knew I had something. Energy from Still Air was possible.
8. That was the start of my research on Lead-out energy.
9. I showed that technology to Dr. Raymond Ting. We repeated the experiment with the water+air rising over 11 floors. Dr. Ting then improved it and won a Silver Medal at one of the US Invention Shows.
10. The drawback of that technology was â€" water hammering. When air bubble is trapped in a water pipe, it may produce a violent shaking effect and destroy the piping and surrounding structures. However, in application where there is constant pumping with no stops, this water hammering problem will not occur.
11. Dr. Raymond Ting and others introduced this technique to China and Dr. Ting became one of the “Official New Invention Examinersâ€.
12. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, a retired missile expert trained in USSR, came to visit me. He and team had worked with Mr. Kwan for many years on the Pump but could not figure out the Physics. After he heard my Lead-Out Energy theory, he was convinced and we then worked together. We had some joint patents.
13. Mr. Lee was the first one to realize that gravitational energy could be lead-out from a horizontally pushed/pulled pendulum. I worked out the mathematics. That was absolutely no fear in our minds. We knew that we could not be ridiculed. No direct insult or insults from Internet could discourage us.
14. Mr. Lee was recently “recruited†by the Chinese Military and we had to go separate paths as I (with a US citizenship) could not pass the Security Screening.
15. The above are accurate events that could be traced via my postings over the last few years. To overcome fear, one must have the actual hands-on experience in this new and exciting field. That is what the HKU professors and Students are doing. Reading the information alone will not suffice. I believe the USA professors and students will do the same.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 05, 2010, 11:28:59 PM
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120 and 1127)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of why the average academic person is afraid to discuss Lead-out Energy in Public. It is the fear of being ridiculed as believing in the impossible perpetual motion machine.
1. ..
12....
Old Tseung:
You have enough material and episodes to start writing a script for a real movie. How about a movie title such as: 'The modern day delusions of Dr. Lawrence Tseung'
Irvine is a stone throw from LA's Hollywood. If you don't have a car, I can arrange for a friend to drive you to Universal Studios? You will be famous for producing both a comedy channel and a Hollywood movie!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 05, 2010, 11:28:59 PM
I believe…
...
14. Mr. Lee was recently “recruited†by the Chinese Military and we had to go separate paths as I (with a US citizenship) could not pass the Security Screening.
Wow! MIY now? (Men in Yellow)
cheers
chrisC
Clean Energy Expo China 2011, July, Beijing
http://www.bvents.com/event/262758-clean-energy-expo-china
Just received information on the above event. Will there be lead-out energy machine prototypes???
Other Energy Conferences:
http://www.bvents.com/china/ci-beijing/ca-energy/
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120, 1127 and 1152)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of bringing benefits to the Human Race?
1. Those in power will try their best to hold on. In the past, the Kings and Nobles tried by enforcing unjust rules. One clear example was that you had to be born or specially granted by the King to join them. They controlled the wealth.
2. Now the wealthy tried to control. One important group of wealthy people is the Oil Cartel. Lead-out energy posts a threat to them. They will try their best to suppress it.
3. Scientific Truth cannot be suppressed for long. For example, the Earth is round no matter what the Church or the Pope said. Lead-out Energy is an absolute scientific truth that can be confirmed and verified by the water gun, the solar pendulum toy, the tuning forks, the Newman, Bedini, Wang, Liang, Tong wheels etc.
4. Now we even have FLEET prototypes costing less than HK$20. It is impossible to suppress the technology. There is no need for one person to do it all. Galileo, Newton, Tesla, Einstein, etc. did not create modern science by themselves.
5. Lawrence Tseung must not fall into the trap of trying to build all Lead-out Energy prototypes by himself. He should just act as a prophet and prepared to be stoned. Much ground work had been done by others. In particular, the FLEET prototype using Joule Thief technology was influenced by Mk1, Pirate, Jeanna, Gadgetmail etc.
6. Lawrence Tseung should organize and run both real and virtual workshops. Examples of real ones are those at Hong Kong University. The virtual ones may be videos that can be created anywhere and shown via the Internet. This will help to form the Group of Early Believers.
7. The Early Believers might be subjected to similar treatment as the Early Christians. They were fed to the lions. But their faith survived. The Early Believers in Lead-out Energy will be labeled idiots or worse. Their reputations and careers might be threatened. However, the solid scientific verifications and confirmations will come. The experimental results can be replicated.
8. Lawrence Tseung has eight working FLEET prototypes that can be loaned out. More can be produced. The debunkers and insulters will have no weapon against solid, scientific facts and working prototypes. They are not even as threatening as the lions. They might just be paid cowards hiding behind a username. They have to make a living. Some misguided ones may find fun in hurling insults. This is the price to pay in Open Forums.
9. “Bringing Benefits to the Human Race†will threaten many powerful interests. They will see it as “destroying their existing benefitsâ€. We cannot please everybody. We shall humbly walk on the path laid out by the Almighty. It may be painful â€" remember that the path by Jesus to the Cross was extremely painful.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 06, 2010, 04:18:26 AM
Will there be lead-out energy machine prototypes???
seek medical help.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 05, 2010, 11:28:59 PM
I believe…
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14. Mr. Lee was recently “recruited†by the Chinese Military and we had to go separate paths as I (with a US citizenship) could not pass the Security Screening.
...
Nor the 'O' Level Physics exams?
cheers
chrisC
Stefan got my attention to some of the threads started by me sometime ago.
1. Energy from Air
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2620.msg37424#msg37424
The thread was created in June 2007. There were two pages of posts that are still valid and informative. We can add the discussions of water gun, water canon and other existing systems there.
2. The Theory behind the Bedini Motor
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2621.msg37497#msg37497
The thread was also created in June 2007. At that time, I did not have the Tong wheel developed yet. We have gone a long way since then. For historic records, the thread is great.
Now, I have eight FLEET prototypes in my possession that can demonstrate overunity at Universities or Research Organizations with at least two oscilloscopes. More can be produced since the material cost is less than HK$20.
The basic principle is still Lead-out Energy. Energy has not been created nor destroyed. We just lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding.
First Contact in USA â€" Mr. S
The first contact interested in Lead-out Energy was Mr. S. I met Mr. S initially at the neighborhood Halloween Party. The next time we met was at the Spa. It was too cold for him to swim. But he enjoyed drinking beer at the Spa.
Mr. S: “Can you tell me more about Lead-out Energy? We have plenty of time today. It is just the two of us.â€
Tseung: “If we can lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding environment, we do not need to pay for fuel. That technology does not violate any Laws of Physics and can be demonstrated today……â€
Mr. S: “I happen to visit my sister and plan to start up a business in California. I enjoyed Physics and Mathematics in High School. Your concept makes sense. How can I help?â€
Tseung: “At the moment, I have not got my driver’s license back yet. I could not even visit the electronic stores. I could not visit the Universities.â€
Mr. S: “That is easy. I have a car and I can drive you around. I know the area pretty well.â€
Tseung: “If you are interested, I can show you the information on the Internet. You can even help to produce a few FLEET prototypes.â€
Mr. S: “This is great. This gives me something challenging to do while I wait to start up my business. Waiting for financial approval takes time â€" the banks are reluctant to loan.â€
The Lord has His way of doing things. I put my trust in Him.
GREAT PHOTOS Lawrence.
Thank you for sharing how you are doing & everything sir.
.
First trip to electronic store â€" radio shack
There was a local small radioshack store in Irvine. It does not have all the components required for FLEET. I showed one of our FLEET samples to the salesperson.
He recommended us to go to Marvac â€" a more specialized electronic store that sells components. I only got a breadboard. The price was U$10 with taxes. That was much more expensive than Hong Kong.
http://www.marvac.com/locations.aspx
I can still use the components from Hong Kong on the breadboard for now. It will take time for me to get to know the US electronic stores.
Quote from: FatBird on November 12, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
GREAT PHOTOS Lawrence.
Thank you for sharing how you are doing & everything sir.
Take a look at Radioshack.jpg photo. Aint it greater than pool photos?... makes me lead-out where I stand...
Quote from: minde4000 on October 29, 2010, 08:11:24 PM
No worries here fellows. You might throw a word "think" for a reason and he already gets all paranoid... and he is all knowing! He knows what I have and what I dont have. He thinks if I had something I would be definately showing off otherwise I dont have anything... he is so lame.. ;D
Minde
yeah, i know what you have and what you don't have, and i know where you live... so what? question is when are you going to stop talking out your rear? just prove it pretzel boy... put your money where your big mouth is... do what you demand of ltseung. demonstrate it, with measurements. put up or shut up. oh that's right you can't because you don't have a working meyer's wfc
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 12, 2010, 10:09:44 AM
First Contact in USA â€" Mr. S
The first contact interested in Lead-out Energy was Mr. S. I met Mr. S initially at the neighborhood Halloween Party. ...
I went to a Halloween party and Lead Out Energy broke out? Is this a beginning of your movie script in Hollywood?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on November 12, 2010, 09:00:08 PM
yeah, i know what you have and what you don't have, and i know where you live... so what? question is when are you going to stop talking out your rear? just prove it pretzel boy... put your money where your big mouth is... do what you demand of ltseung. demonstrate it, with measurements. put up or shut up. oh that's right you can't because you don't have a working meyer's wfc
And who asked your opinion? Even if Minde was 'hallucinating', he'll is far more intelligent than you are.... it's not difficult to imagine. So please shut your mouth.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on November 12, 2010, 09:05:32 PM
I went to a Halloween party and Lead Out Energy broke out? Is this a beginning of your movie script in Hollywood?
cheers
chrisC
and who asked your opinion?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on November 12, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
and who asked your opinion?
Obviously, being Friday night and nothing much happens between railway tracks, I can imagine the hobo just needs to piss to get some attention. Right?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on November 12, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
Obviously, being Friday night and nothing much happens between railway tracks, I can imagine the hobo just needs to piss to get some attention. Right?
cheers
chrisC
so your 'logic' applies to everyone but yourself... ::) LMFAO
and you respond with your usual red herring response, imagine that.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on November 12, 2010, 09:36:19 PM
so your 'logic' applies to everyone but yourself... ::) LMFAO
and you respond with your usual red herring response, imagine that.
Not quite. It's sort of difficult to explain something(s) to mentally challenged people and we'll just have to leave it at that.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on November 12, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
Not quite. It's sort of difficult to explain something(s) to mentally challenged people and we'll just have to leave it at that.
cheers
chrisC
i'm not asking you to explain it to yourself and minde4000, i'm asking you to explain it to all the readers... ::)
I wonder if Mickey Mouse was also at the Halloween party?...oh no wait..of course he wasnt..hes busy bobbing left & right producing KW's of Lead Out Power ! no time for parties for Mickey........what a work ethic he has !
so i imagine...since it was a hallowwen party...the next OU device will be....
A Lead Out Majick Hob-Goblin Device ;)
Using the RadioShack Breadboard in US
I shall try to get a 1.5 DC supply by modifying the information in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HteDBfSJ9zo
At present, I use the AA battery.
The BreadBoard will be used until its limitation is reached. That will cut down the possibility of starting a fire with the soldering gun! ;) ;)
If I can experiment in USA, you can too. Why not build yourself a FLEET prototype to confirm overunity? Do not wait for a retired old man to do the work.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
old fool
your stuck
give it up man
you want to but you can't
give it up man
old fool
XS,
You are a retarded piece of shit.
Do not tell anyone here to give up.
If you don't have anything to contribute
go home.
It is unbelievable that a losers like you.. ChrisC and the rest sit around and wait for LT to post.
Why you would be so threatened by LT is beyond me.
Get some help.. you are obsessed with an old man.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. Just to keep it on topic despite the hecklers.
I believe Resonating Multiple Ignition Coils from a single Joule Thief will produce some very interesting results.
Why?
Well a piece of ferrite can amplify the magnetic field of a coil 1,000,000 times without using any extra energy..
&
Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1 when only 1 is struck.
Please refer to bottom 2 diagrams to understand these important scientific concepts.
I believe…
(Continued from 1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120, 1127, 1152 and 1156)
I believe in the Almighty. He granted me the true understanding of patience and dedication.
1. A Business School Professor once said to his students: “I have both good and bad news to tell you. Which one do you want to hear first?â€
2. There was silence. Then there was a tiny voice: “Bad first.â€
3. The bad news: “If you think of a good idea, probably a thousand people before you have thought of something similar. You are not the innovator.â€
4. “What is the good news then?â€
5. The Good News is that only 10% (100) may write down the idea and really think about it.
6. The Better News is that only 10% or the 100 or 10 persons will do something with the idea.
7. The Even Better News is that only 10% of the 10 or 1 person will overcome all obstacles and make a success out of the idea.
8. Are you the one???
Here is the photo with some LEDs on the secondary side of the enhanced joule thief circuit. How many thousand overunity researchers are in this World? How many thought that they found the solution? How many did the physics and the mathematics? How many posted on the Internet? How many actually experimented? How many gave up after a few insults or experimental failures?
The early Christians were willing to be torn apart and devoured by the lions. All I am facing are insults hurled at by paid cowards who cannot debate on technical matters. The Almighty must be protecting me.
I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my heart, my soul and my intellect.
After reading most of this thread, I am yet to see any evidence for over unity. Oscilloscopes are all very well, but that doesn't prove over unity.
My understanding of "Over Unity" is that "Unity" = 100% and "Over" is above that 100% threshold. So you get more out that you put in.
ltseung888 uses solar panels and batteries in his "proof".
I don't mean to come across like I am attacking the guy, but it frustrates the hell out of me to see him go on and on about "Over unity" with no evidence.
(I could be wrong). But it seems like its just a JT circuit, which is NOT over unity. Seeing the pictures in ltseung888's last post, I see a toroid, a transistor, a battery and LED's. All of which constitutes a JT, nothing special, nothing over unity here.
What am I missing here?
oh look there is that "resonating ignition coil" guy again.
ignition coils are not designed for resonance operation fool.
they work on inductive kickback but your knowledge doesn't go that far.
the world is full of dumb ass people!!
Keep joining the old Tseung that's your spot right there bud.
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 14, 2010, 03:03:21 PM
oh look there is that "resonating ignition coil" guy again.
ignition coils are not designed for resonance operation fool.
they work on inductive kickback but your knowledge doesn't go that far.
the world is full of dumb ass people!!
Keep joining the old Tseung that's your spot right there bud.
Why do you have to be so rude?
Quote from: Poit on November 14, 2010, 02:52:31 PM
After reading most of this thread, I am yet to see any evidence for over unity. Oscilloscopes are all very well, but that doesn't prove over unity.
My understanding of "Over Unity" is that "Unity" = 100% and "Over" is above that 100% threshold. So you get more out that you put in.
ltseung888 uses solar panels and batteries in his "proof".
I don't mean to come across like I am attacking the guy, but it frustrates the hell out of me to see him go on and on about "Over unity" with no evidence.
(I could be wrong). But it seems like its just a JT circuit, which is NOT over unity. Seeing the pictures in ltseung888's last post, I see a toroid, a transistor, a battery and LED's. All of which constitutes a JT, nothing special, nothing over unity here.
What am I missing here?
You missed a lot.
Start from reading:
1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120, 1127, 1152 and 1156
Try to answer the question:
If Energy can be lead-out or brought-in from the surrounding by a device, does it mean that device is theoretically possible? That device will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
Please post your answer and we can have meaningful discussions.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 14, 2010, 04:08:35 PM
You missed a lot.
Start from reading:
1068, 1069, 1070, 1113, 1120, 1127, 1152 and 1156
Try to answer the question:
If Energy can be lead-out or brought-in from the surrounding by a device, does it mean that device is theoretically possible? That device will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
Please post your answer and we can have meaningful discussions.
I understand what you are getting at. So why do you need batteries and solar panels in your demonstrations? if the device is >100% efficiency, loop the output back into the input, I have not seen you do this once!
"If I can experiment in USA, you can too. Why not build yourself a FLEET prototype to confirm overunity?" You are using a battery! there is no over unity, there is energy from the battery.... ill say it again, over unity = over 100% efficiency.
Please don't ignore my questions. Just so we are clear what the questions are. 1: Why do you use a battery to power your "over unity" device? 2: why do you ask the forum to replicate "over unity" when you arn't demonstrating it. How can we?
For those that don't already know, there are 4 Trolls hitting this thread.
For those that don't know what a Troll is, they:
1. Troll around Free Energy Forums to discourage good ideas.
2. Value their paycheck more than they value free energy for the world.
3. Try to get inventors to chase insignificant rabbit trail ideas to waste time.
4. Try to discredit and ridicule good honest inventors that are trying to help the world.
5. Are generally paid by Big Oil Corporations so nothing interferes with their HUGE FAT PROFITS.
6. Try to cause anger and fights to get people discouraged and fight with each other so they give up and go away.
.
Hey der XS,
You don't think an Ignition Coil will Resonate?
It is how to light a CFL with a Joule Thief that won't light a CFL.
You tune the Joule Thief to the Resonant Frequency of the Ignition coil... at that frequency it lights the CFL.
This is a fact.
RESONANCE + FERROMAGNETIC TRANSFORMERS = GREATEST ENERGY OUTPUT
Diagram below may help.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. Poit... There is no Over-Unity unless you mean OU = Unrecognized Source of Energy (USE).
Unpaired Electrons present in Ferromagnetic Substances are an USE.
If you can light a CFL for a long time with a 1.5 V without using Ferromagnetic Materials.. or Resonance,
I will give you medal.. cause you ain't gunna do it.
The energy just isn't there to do it.
Do you have a bigger picture than this one?
Quote from: The Observer on November 14, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
Hey der XS,
You don't think an Ignition Coil will Resonate?
It is how to light a CFL with a Joule Thief that won't light a CFL.
You tune the Joule Thief to the Resonant Frequency of the Ignition coil... at that frequency it lights the CFL.
This is a fact.
RESONANCE + FERROMAGNETIC TRANSFORMERS = GREATEST ENERGY OUTPUT
Diagram below may help.
Best Regards,
The Observer
bla, bla, bla with nothing to show proof of O.U. Just like a parrot. Old Tseung is delusional, you Mr. Observer is out of tune!
cheers
chrisC
bla bla bla indeed.
i'll come back in 100 yr when they are educated, if they ever get there......
Quote from: Poit on November 14, 2010, 04:31:46 PM
I understand what you are getting at. So why do you need batteries and solar panels in your demonstrations? if the device is >100% efficiency, loop the output back into the input, I have not seen you do this once!
"If I can experiment in USA, you can too. Why not build yourself a FLEET prototype to confirm overunity?" You are using a battery! there is no over unity, there is energy from the battery.... ill say it again, over unity = over 100% efficiency.
Please don't ignore my questions. Just so we are clear what the questions are. 1: Why do you use a battery to power your "over unity" device? 2: why do you ask the forum to replicate "over unity" when you arn't demonstrating it. How can we?
At present, I have not perfected the loopback mechanism on my FLEET prototypes yet. My loopback technique is to get different amounts of Output via a variable resistor, convert it to DC and feed it back to the Input. This technique enabled much lower Input Power as I could dial the DC Power Supply down. I could dial the Input so low that the meters did not even show an Input Power reading.
The best case I got so far is to turn the power off completely and the LED stilled showed some light for about 30 seconds. It was clear that I had not totally mastered the feedback technology yet. Aaron and the Hong Kong teams are also working on this feedback problem.
So the answer to Question 1 (why do you use a battery to power your overunity device) is as follows:
Answer 1: We always need something to trigger the lead-out energy devices. We can use battery, DC power supply, solar cell, or hand crank. We already have success with all these devices. However, we have not perfected the loopback mechanism yet. In a resonance environment, too little or too much feedback could destroy that delicate condition.
Answer 2: Please go back to the posts with the two oscilloscope shots. We have already demonstrated overunity. The first was with the Tong wheel in summer 2009. The second was on July 13, 2010 with the less than US$3 FLEET prototype. We include: Lawrence Tseung, Dr, Raymond Ting, Aaron Quant, Forever Yuen, Tong Po Chi, Miller Tong, Debbie, Felix, Kelvin Yu, the team headed by Dr. James Wong, the workshop participants at Hong Kong University.. In addition, there are 13 teams who learned the technique from me or my friends such as Rasa, Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and Kenneth.
If you have two oscilloscopes or can get your hands on two oscilloscopes, you will have a good chance to demonstrate and confirm overunity. You can produce a FLEET prototype yourself. If you are willing to do the confirmation and have in your possession two oscilloscopes, I shall be willing to mail you a working FLEET prototype. You can represent the Forum Members and post the results.
In addition, you can experiment with additional LCR circuits to achieve results much better than mine. See the attached diagram. Meanwhile, I just moved to US and will need time to build a team, source where to get the material, get in contact with the academics (who will have two oscilloscopes in their laboratories).
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 14, 2010, 07:57:20 PM
At present, I have not perfected the loopback mechanism on my FLEET prototypes yet. My loopback technique is to get different amounts of Output via a variable resistor, convert it to DC and feed it back to the Input. This technique enabled much lower Input Power as I could dial the DC Power Supply down. I could dial the Input so low that the meters did not even show an Input Power reading.
The best case I got so far is to turn the power off completely and the LED stilled showed some light for about 30 seconds. It was clear that I had not totally mastered the feedback technology yet. Aaron and the Hong Kong teams are also working on this feedback problem.
So the answer to Question 1 (why do you use a battery to power your overunity device) is as follows:
Answer 1: We always need something to trigger the lead-out energy devices. We can use battery, DC power supply, solar cell, or hand crank. We already have success with all these devices. However, we have not perfected the loopback mechanism yet. In a resonance environment, too little or too much feedback could destroy that delicate condition.
Answer 2: Please go back to the posts with the two oscilloscope shots. We have already demonstrated overunity. The first was with the Tong wheel in summer 2009. The second was on July 13, 2010 with the less than US$3 FLEET prototype. We include: Lawrence Tseung, Dr, Raymond Ting, Aaron Quant, Forever Yuen, Tong Po Chi, Miller Tong, Debbie, Felix, Kelvin Yu, the team headed by Dr. James Wong, the workshop participants at Hong Kong University.. In addition, there are 13 teams who learned the technique from me or my friends such as Rasa, Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and Kenneth.
If you have two oscilloscopes or can get your hands on two oscilloscopes, you will have a good chance to demonstrate and confirm overunity. You can produce a FLEET prototype yourself. If you are willing to do the confirmation and have in your possession two oscilloscopes, I shall be willing to mail you a working FLEET prototype. You can represent the Forum Members and post the results.
In addition, you can experiment with additional LCR circuits to achieve results much better than mine. See the attached diagram. Meanwhile, I just moved to US and will need time to build a team, source where to get the material, get in contact with the academics (who will have two oscilloscopes in their laboratories).
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Ok.. sounds alright. I don't have oscilloscopes to test, but I have multimeters. Is it possible for you to show the results using 4 multimeters? (when I get a chance I will try this, but it seems you already have units to test with). The reason for 4 meters is this: meter1: input voltage. meter 2: input amperage meter3: output voltage. meter 4: output amperage. Cheers :)
Quote from: Poit on November 14, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
Ok.. sounds alright. I don't have oscilloscopes to test, but I have multimeters. Is it possible for you to show the results using 4 multimeters? (when I get a chance I will try this, but it seems you already have units to test with). The reason for 4 meters is this: meter1: input voltage. meter 2: input amperage meter3: output voltage. meter 4: output amperage. Cheers :)
We need the product of the Instantaneous Voltage x Instantaneous Current to get the Instantaneous Power. In an oscilloscope, we can set up channel 1 for Instantaneous Voltage and channel 2 for Instantaneous Current. Then the oscilloscope can yield the waveform for the Instantaneous Power. With that waveform, we can integrate it over time to get the Energy over that period.
I cannot do that with multimeters. With multimeters, you can get the rms values. If you look back at the posts in the past, that method was deemed inaccurate. It will give you the trend but not the quantitative value demanded by the academics.
Just be patient. I should be able to get some Universities or Research Organizations with two oscilloscopes in their laboratories in Irvine, California, USA. Or alternatively, just wait for the results from Hong Kong.
ok. i'll wait. :)
question though - once you have figured out how to close loop the thing, will you share it with all of us? :)
Pete
Quote from: Poit on November 15, 2010, 12:28:17 AM
ok. i'll wait. :)
question though - once you have figured out how to close loop the thing, will you share it with all of us? :)
Pete
You may have to wait until the cows come home. Just look at this history of this and previous Tseung threads. A little knowledge can be a very embarrassing thing, even though the author is so delusional he just doesn't get it.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on November 15, 2010, 12:34:09 AM
You may have to wait until the cows come home. Just look at this history of this and previous Tseung threads. A little knowledge can be a very embarrassing thing, even though the author is so delusional he just doesn't get it.
cheers
chrisC
You may be right... i'm not losing anything from waiting. So lets wait and see.
Chris,
There is no Over-Unity,
there are only
Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 15, 2010, 01:30:32 AM
Chris,
There is no Over-Unity,
there are only
Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Yes its so.
I write the here monozh ago..
also in "tesla-switch" tread and others
i have done some notes
But at last now "most are weak up now !
Show this tread, so it is to underststand, that TSEUNG (sorry)
is also on the wrong way.
Gustav Pese
More pretty explained (like me) you find my
thinking now here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8973.msg264153#new
***POST REMOVED BY AUTHOR***
This is just my personal opinion and I am not getting any sides here.
I think that the Jts you are testing with two oscilloscopes will not work as overunity if you run them wirhout the oscilloscopes that feed them.
Just run the JT wiith the oscilloscopes and test that there is overunity and then retire the two oscilloscopes and see that there is not overunity without the energy provided to the joule thief by them.
Remember I would like to be wong though!
Jesus
QuoteThere is no Over-Unity,there are only Unrecognized Sources of Energy
Totally agree with this. If its unrecognized it cant be put into calculations.
Quote from: The Observer on November 15, 2010, 01:30:32 AM
Chris,
There is no Over-Unity,
there are only
Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
I believe we are moving roughly in the same direction. You believe that there is Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USE).
I believe that scientists have not recognized that
Existing Gravitational or Magnetic Energy can be lead-out or brought-in into a “deviceâ€.
Your resonance example is excellent. That is definitely a direction I shall take in the coming weeks.
Wishing you the best and a Happy Thanks Giving.
Lawrence
LT,
Thanks for your well wishes.
1. A roomful of tuning forks vs.1 tuning fork when only 1 is struck should stump just about anyone.
It will ring louder and longer (a roomful).
2. A FerroMagnetic Substance can amplify the Magnetic Field of a coil up to 1,000,000 times (without using extra current)
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
Thanks to the magnetic dipoles
powered by free unpaired electron spin.
3. If you take your best Joule Thief... and tune it to Resonate an Ignition Coil.. you can light a CFL.
4. If you do #3 and Resonate a roomful of Ignition Coils... it is probable that you would have lightning bolt at your disposal.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. I suggest checking out the Captret Thread.
People are doing some very interesting yet simple experiments with Electrolytic Capacitors.
Apparently there is a 3rd.. never mentioned connection to an E Cap that exhibits some interesting properties.
Quote from: The Observer on November 15, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
LT,
Thanks for your well wishes.
1. A roomful of tuning forks vs.1 tuning fork when only 1 is struck should stump just about anyone.
It will ring louder and longer (a roomful).
2. A FerroMagnetic Substance can amplify the Magnetic Field of a coil up to 1,000,000 times (without using extra current)
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
Thanks to the magnetic dipoles
powered by free unpaired electron spin.
3. If you take your best Joule Thief... and tune it to Resonate an Ignition Coil.. you can light a CFL.
4. If you do #3 and Resonate a roomful of Ignition Coils... it is probable that you would have lightning bolt at your disposal.
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. I suggest checking out the Captret Thread.
People are doing some very interesting yet simple experiments with Electrolytic Capacitors.
Apparently there is a 3rd.. never mentioned connection to an E Cap that exhibits some interesting properties.
With due respect, you keep posting this stuff over and over and, I am afraid you will confuse the newer folks.
So, to set the record straight, you CAN light a cfl WITHOUT a secondary ignition coil using a well designed JT circit...yes, a regular one. You can also light a cfl using an air core with NO ferrite. It has been done many times and I do not know why you seem to ignore this.
Now, would a JT connected to an ignition coil be pretty cool? Possibly, so DO IT and quit writing about it and we can all see together what it will/or will not do.
But, one does NOT need an external coil, ignition or any other kind, to light a cfl with a dead AA battery. So please quit saying this as a fact when it is not.
Thanks, I hope I was not too harsh but, again, I am concerned for the newer folks coming in here that might think this is the only way to light a cfl with a JT.
Bill
Bill is right. You can run a CFL on a single JT if you do it right.
Additional hV generators such as ignition coils are not really necessary.
In fact, I've run small FL tubes on a JT powered by a nearly dead battery,
with only one wire terminal connected to one of the FL tube's elecgtrodes,
and the other wire not connected to the tube at all, just coiled around the
glass of the tube. Works fine.
Seems to be more the EM that drives the tube than the actual current...
I have also run a pulsed transformer off my JT, with neo magnets attached
to the trafo core at strategic spots. Needed quite some tuning, but it worked.
Was basically a setup much like the MEG, but much smaller and simpler.
Quote from: Koen1 on November 16, 2010, 08:53:37 AM
Bill is right. You can run a CFL on a single JT if you do it right.
Additional hV generators such as ignition coils are not really necessary.
In fact, I've run small FL tubes on a JT powered by a nearly dead battery,
with only one wire terminal connected to one of the FL tube's elecgtrodes,
and the other wire not connected to the tube at all, just coiled around the
glass of the tube. Works fine.
Seems to be more the EM that drives the tube than the actual current...
I have also run a pulsed transformer off my JT, with neo magnets attached
to the trafo core at strategic spots. Needed quite some tuning, but it worked.
Was basically a setup much like the MEG, but much smaller and simpler.
It will work
but it suck the battery EMPY!
It hae never mor output that it need Input power.
So you can ot fill-up emty batteries with ths circuits.
IF.... you suck more power from the Inout "off"
Open your eyes and mind
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
German/English alternative Link Collections
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
It will work
of course it will
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
but it suck the battery EMPY!
that is a joule thief's purpose... this is what they are designed to do... do some research about a joule thief. reading is fundamental.
quote from big clive: "
I originally called this torch the vampire torch because it sucked the last remnants of life from a cell, but then decided to call it a Joule Thief instead because it was a catchy name and played on the fact the unit steals the last bit of energy from a cell. (Joule is a unit of energy) I guess the name has kinda stuck!" http://www.bigclive.com/joule.htm
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
It hae never mor output that it need Input power.
i don't see where koen claimed any such thing.
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
So you can ot fill-up emty batteries with ths circuits.
yes you can, with the addition of feedback.
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
Open your eyes and mind
please practice what you preach.
Quote from: Koen1 on November 16, 2010, 08:53:37 AM
Bill is right. You can run a CFL on a single JT if you do it right.
Additional hV generators such as ignition coils are not really necessary.
In fact, I've run small FL tubes on a JT powered by a nearly dead battery,
with only one wire terminal connected to one of the FL tube's elecgtrodes,
and the other wire not connected to the tube at all, just coiled around the
glass of the tube. Works fine.
Seems to be more the EM that drives the tube than the actual current...
I have also run a pulsed transformer off my JT, with neo magnets attached
to the trafo core at strategic spots. Needed quite some tuning, but it worked.
Was basically a setup much like the MEG, but much smaller and simpler.
quite some tuningThat is the experience from our various teams also. Too little or too much will shift away from the delicate balance. One must have the patience and exert the extreme care.
With the right equipment (e.g. the two oscilloscopes), the tuning is much easier.
Quote from: pese on November 16, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
It will work
but it suck the battery EMPY!
Yes, of course. That's what batteries are for, to give energy untill they're empty.
QuoteIt hae never mor output that it need Input power.
Really? Well, I suppose you know more than me then.
I expect you have tried it in all kinds of variations? Or are you just
blowing hot air?
QuoteSo you can ot fill-up emty batteries with ths circuits.
Again, oh great oracle, I presume you have tested this?
I have, and I did get more out than in. Not considering the energy needed
to make the magnets, of course.
But surely you won't be shouting things without good reason?
QuoteIF.... you suck more power from the Inout "off"
No clue what you mean to say with that sentence.
Do you mean to say "you can not fill up empty batteries with these
circuits, if you suck more power out of the output side"?
Then I still don't follow what you mean to say.
After all, there's no "sucking out", there's "pumping in" and
"getting out". You're never supposed to "suck out" energy
on the output side, you always "collect" the energy coming
out. "Sucking" implies actively pulling the charges out of the
output side; that does not happen. The output is actively
being "pumped out" on the output side, and you only need
to "passively" collect that.
QuoteOpen your eyes and mind
open your English grammar and idiom books and please
state clearly what you mean to say?
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
German/English alternative Link Collections
[/quote]
Quote from: Koen1 on November 16, 2010, 10:41:50 AM
Again, oh great oracle, I presume you have tested this?
I have, and I did get more out than in. Not considering the energy needed
to make the magnets, of course.
oh, but now koen is claiming "more out than in"... i hope data, measurements and the experiment is posted to support this amazing claim.
Pirate,
Let me get this straight.
You are complaining that I am repeating my idea.
Meanwhile, you got the hecklers that---> repeat<--- the same thing day in and day out and you don't complain ?
What gives?
Just to be clear.. I will repeat my good idea as long as the hecklers repeat their bullshit.
I am hoping I am as annoying to them, as they are to me.
Meanwhile.. it doesn't hurt to spread the message about how Ferromagnetic Materials Work.
or that Resonating Certain Objects produces results that look a lot like 'Over-Unity'.
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I never did say the only way to light a CFL with a JT was to Resonate an Ignition Coil.
I am saying.. and I'm pretty sure you agree.
You can't light a CFL with Joule Thief
for a long time.. unless you use a Ferromagnetic Core of High Magnetic Permeability
or
Resonate a Transformer that does not have a core of High Magnetic Permeability.
or
Resonate an External High Voltage Ferro Transformer.
If there's another way to to do it.. then let me know and I will add it to the list.
I think you are overlooking the Fact that you need a Ferro Core or Resonance.
Perhaps you just don't think it's as important as me.
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1. I find it amazing --- that a Ferro Core can amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times without any extra current.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
2. I find it amazing --- that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1 when only 1 is struck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 16, 2010, 11:28:26 AM
I am saying.. and I'm pretty sure you agree.
You can't light a CFL with Joule Thief
for a long time.. unless you use a Ferromagnetic Core of High Magnetic Permeability
or
Resonate a Transformer that does not have a core of High Magnetic Permeability.
or
Resonate an External High Voltage Ferro Transformer.
If there's another way to to do it.. then let me know and I will add it to the list.
I think you are overlooking the Fact that you need a Ferro Core or Resonance.
Perhaps you just don't think it's as important as me.
i don't agree. you can light a cfl with a jt for a long time with an aircore. i told you this before...
hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ferromagnetic core = no good man
AND LEAVE PESE ALONE >:( >:(
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 16, 2010, 11:47:17 AM
hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ferromagnetic core = no good man
AND LEAVE PESE ALONE >:( >:(
@X
The gentleman is almost as delusional as old Tseung. Repeating something over and over again does not make it Gospel!
cheers
chrisC
Wilby,
I don't think you are reading my post thoroughly enough.
WITHOUT RESONATING A CORE OF LOW MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY ( air core )YOU CAN'T LIGHT A CFL.
This statement pertains to NON FERRO Cores.
So, are you saying that you can use an air core to light a cfl for a long period WITHOUT resonating it???
If so, then you will be teaching me something new.
Just let me know one way or the other.
Are you talking about Resonating an Air Core Transformer ... Yes or No ?
I believe that Resonance and FerroMagnetics are USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy).
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: chrisC on November 16, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
@X
The gentleman is almost as delusional as old Tseung. Repeating something over and over again does not make it Gospel!
cheers
chrisC
Yes that's correct C
Quote from: The Observer on November 16, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
WITHOUT RESONATING A CORE OF LOW MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY ( air core )YOU CAN'T LIGHT A CFL.
Bullshit.
Offcource this depends on the power input/field strength.
It has got nothing to do with resonance.
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 16, 2010, 04:13:13 PM
Yes that's correct C
Bullshit.
Offcource this depends on the power input/field strength.
It has got nothing to do with resonance.
I have to agree that ferromagnetic resonance , is not resonance , and should not be associated , some people talk about resonance without even having any clues and mix both things together ...
Btw no one seems to have a clues how resonance works that includes you the observer , Mayer showed us all about ferromagnetic resonance , it is cheap energy but people can't get there heads around it ...
Resonance could also lead to cheap energy sources , but not free ...
Mark
Quote from: Mk1 on November 16, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
Mayer showed us all about ferromagnetic resonance , it is cheap energy but people can't get there heads around it ...
do you have something to demonstrate "mayer's" ferromagnetic resonance to us? or is this just another unsubstantiated claim?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2010, 04:38:10 AM
do you have something to demonstrate "mayer's" ferromagnetic resonance to us? or is this just another unsubstantiated claim?
Wilby, you're acting like a real skeptic... Any problems?
Quote from: Koen1 on November 16, 2010, 10:41:50 AM
Yes, of course. That's what batteries are for, to give energy untill they're empty.
Really? Well, I suppose you know more than me then.
I expect you have tried it in all kinds of variations? Or are you just
blowing hot air?
Again, oh great oracle, I presume you have tested this?
I have, and I did get more out than in. Not considering the energy needed
to make the magnets, of course.
But surely you won't be shouting things without good reason? No clue what you mean to say with that sentence.
Do you mean to say "you can not fill up empty batteries with these
circuits, if you suck more power out of the output side"?
Then I still don't follow what you mean to say.
After all, there's no "sucking out", there's "pumping in" and
"getting out". You're never supposed to "suck out" energy
on the output side, you always "collect" the energy coming
out. "Sucking" implies actively pulling the charges out of the
output side; that does not happen. The output is actively
being "pumped out" on the output side, and you only need
to "passively" collect that.
open your English grammar and idiom books and please
state clearly what you mean to say?
Pese
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
German/English alternative Link Collections
You must not belive anything.
You will belive that is you opinion, and never mutch more.
I am (not more) interested to teach people,
if they work contraproductivly.
Possibly i know more, and i must not show that.
It is sure that i learned that,Waht you try wity YT, whem i was 10years !!
(near 60 jears ago !! And i reeat this all
in the following years in my fathers "radi-repair-shop" Later if i learn to echnican , to engineer, i i found my electronic company (semiconductors),
done some electronic manufacturing , inventions and patents (registred and unregistred9.
so , possibly you can give attention to your
work, and "learn" to find out yourself.
All this ways, (you, W. T. and so on, wil find this "end". Like , the grat invention from Kapanaze D.S E.G. are absolutly wrong and faked.
Beware your mind, i will not take (and loose) my time
to discussing longer over that. I have followed
this "alternative Energies" sice years.
Tesla Car, that have worked. Also 2 other
Inventors have done (constructed) the same !!! (One before, oother after Tesla.
You must not belive, you find nothing over that in www !. All knowledges are absolutly surpressed. Nobody mst try, to ask me.
You all understand more, and i will only learn
and follow longer all your construchtions and
inventions. AND WONDER myself
G.Pese
Quote from: spinn_MP on November 17, 2010, 05:17:20 AM
Wilby, you're acting like a real skeptic... Any problems?
He might be skeptic but he is dumb for sure.. Oh.. and he wants demonstration. He thinks if you dont show off what you have you dont have anything.. ;D
What a kid...
Minde
Conversation with Business School Students
Student A: “I believe the more appropriate name for your devices is Bring-in Energy Machines. “
Student B: “I agree. Lead-out does not convey the correct message. In Business School, we are taught that using the right term or phrase is extremely important. The energy of your machines are not created from nothing. They are brought-in from the surrounding environment.â€
Tseung: “We used the term lead-out in our patent applications in 2004. Is it too late to change?â€
Student A: “You have not sold any products yet. The trademark name is more important than that on the patent document.â€
Student B: “The biggest problem in US is unemployment. Your invention can potentially create thousands or millions of new jobs. All cars may have new engines. All homes may have self sufficient electricity generators. All appliances may need to be redesigned. All factories may need retooling. This may be a solution to the US unemployment problem.â€
Student A: “Hold it. This is a technology at its infancy. It is like the electrical light bulb at the initial demonstration. It lasted only 10 seconds. Most people could not see a ready application. It was impractical to have a person keep changing light bulbs every 10 seconds.â€
Student B: “But the far-sighted ones could see the light. They poured in resources and night turned into day. These bring-in energy machines will do the same.â€
Tseung: “Please focus on the job creation aspects. The initial impact may be in the academic research area. As products roll out, different jobs will be created. You can write a paper on this.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Pirate...
Not sure if you saw my reply to your concern last page.
Quote from: The Observer on November 16, 2010, 11:28:26 AM
Pirate,
Let me get this straight.
You are complaining that I am repeating my idea.
Meanwhile, you got the hecklers that---> repeat<--- the same thing day in and day out and you don't complain ?
What gives?
Just to be clear.. I will repeat my good idea as long as the hecklers repeat their bullshit.
I am hoping I am as annoying to them, as they are to me.
Meanwhile.. it doesn't hurt to spread the message about how Ferromagnetic Materials Work.
or that Resonating Certain Objects produces results that look a lot like 'Over-Unity'.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I never did say the only way to light a CFL with a JT was to Resonate an Ignition Coil.
I am saying.. and I'm pretty sure you agree.
You can't light a CFL with Joule Thief
for a long time.. unless you use a Ferromagnetic Core of High Magnetic Permeability
or
Resonate a Transformer that does not have a core of High Magnetic Permeability.
or
Resonate an External High Voltage Ferro Transformer.
If there's another way to to do it.. then let me know and I will add it to the list.
I think you are overlooking the Fact that you need a Ferro Core or Resonance.
Perhaps you just don't think it's as important as me.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. I find it amazing --- that a Ferro Core can amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times without any extra current.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
2. I find it amazing --- that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1 when only 1 is struck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best Regards,
Then Observer
Wilby, it appears you missed my response to your concern...
Quote from: The Observer on November 16, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
Wilby,
I don't think you are reading my post thoroughly enough.
WITHOUT RESONATING A CORE OF LOW MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY ( air core )YOU CAN'T LIGHT A CFL.
This statement pertains to NON FERRO Cores.
So, are you saying that you can use an air core to light a cfl for a long period WITHOUT resonating it???
If so, then you will be teaching me something new.
Just let me know one way or the other.
Are you talking about Resonating an Air Core Transformer ... Yes or No ?
I believe that Resonance and FerroMagnetics are USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy).
Best Regards,
The Observer
MK1,
FerroMagnetic Resonance is not Resonance? OK ???
Well, I was not talking about Ferromagnetic Resonance.
I am talking about 2 different USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)
.. you put my two buzz words together
to formulate a false assumption
as to what I am talking about.
1. Ferromagnetics ... unpaired free electron spiin produces a freee magnetic field that can be utilized.
2. The phenomenon that Resonating objects Store and emit/radiate Energy based on the amount of energy stored.
I am talking about Resonating an (well many )Ignition Coil Transformers.
It's Resonant Frequency has to do with the dimensions of the Transformer.
I would agree that playing with Ferro Resonance would be interesting,
however.. that is not what I am doing when I resonate a Transformer.
How bout your input on where the magic lies in an impressive Joule Thief ?
I say you need either a Ferro Core or to Resonate the Transformer or both.
Everytime I say this.. someone says that I'm wrong.. air core will work.
I then clearly ask.. ARE YOU RESONATING THE AIR CORE TO ACCOMPLISH THE FEAT ?
To which I have NOT gotten an answer thus far.
WTF.
So, to the best of your knowledge...
are there any impressive JTs (light CFL long time)
that use an air core but NOT resonance ?
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 11:08:03 AM
Wilby... you missed my response to your concern...
"Are you talking about Resonating an Air Core Transformer ... Yes or No ?"
the answer is no.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 17, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
Conversation with Business School Students
...
These 'business' students are paying for their education; surely they can't be delusional as well, can they? Did you meet them at the Halloween party? But Halloween has been over for 2 weeks.... Need to take your medicine Lawrence.
cheers
chrisC
Wilby,
Thanks...
Any chance you could divulge to me some of the working characteristics of this air-core you speak of?
That is an Air-Core Transformer
that can be used in a Joule Thief Circuit
that lights a CFL for a long time off a 1.5 V Battery
without Resonating the Transformer or using a Resonant Circuit.
Is there a video?
It would be very important for me to see this.
For one thing, I would change my tune.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
Wilby,
Thanks...
Any chance you could divulge to me some of the working characteristics of this air-core you speak of?
That is an Air-Core Transformer
that can be used in a Joule Thief Circuit
that lights a CFL for a long time off a 1.5 V Battery
without Resonating the Transformer or using a Resonant Circuit.
Is there a video?
It would be very important for me to see this.
For one thing, I would change my tune.
Best Regards,
The Observer
details are build specific... ie: your mileage will vary.
i don't do videos
perhaps you can answer me a question? how is it that you came to the conclusion that any joule thief that will light a CFL is a resonant circuit or has a resonating transformer? for the purpose of this discussion ignore the "any" and let's just say any of the joule thiefs that lit cfl's in pirates thread. thanks.
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 11:08:03 AM
MK1,
FerroMagnetic Resonance is not Resonance? OK ???
Best Regards,
The Observer
Resonance is resonance. Of any type. Mk1 went a bit off road there ;)
Minde
Wilby,
Mis-Communication
My full Statement is this...
There are no Impressive Joule Thiefs that do not use Ferromagnetics... &/or the Phenomenon of Resonance.
When I say this.. people say ---- 'you are wrong, an air core will work'
That is where you picked up on this... when I say...'are you using Resonance then?'
So .. you see there are two things I say are important
(1) Ferromagnetics
&/or
(2) Resonance.
If there is some trick to your impressive JTs that use an air-core, yet not #(1) or #(2), please say it.
I just want to know what seems important.
It can be #(3)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 12:23:49 PM
Wilby,
Mis-Communication
My full Statement is this...
There are no Impressive Joule Thiefs that do not use Ferromagnetics... &/or the Phenomenon of Resonance.
When I say this.. people say ---- 'you are wrong, an air core will work'
That is where you picked up on this... when I say...'are you using Resonance then?'
So .. you see there are two things I say are important
(1) Ferromagnetics
&/or
(2) Resonance.
If there is some trick to your impressive JTs that use an air-core, yet not #(1) or #(2), please say it.
I just want to know what seems important.
It can be #(3)
Best Regards,
The Observer
fine. whatever. you are avoiding the question. how is it you came to this conclusion that "
There are no Impressive Joule Thiefs that do not use Ferromagnetics... &/or the Phenomenon of Resonance."
to put it another way, whose impressive joule thiefs (that do not use ferromagnetics) did you inspect with an oscilliscope to determine they are in resonance?
@all
res·o·nance (rz-nns)
n.
1. The quality or condition of being resonant: words that had resonance throughout his life.
2. Richness or significance, especially in evoking an association or strong emotion: "It is home and family that give resonance . . . to life" (George Gilder). "Israel, gateway to Mecca, is of course a land of religious resonance and geopolitical significance" (James Wolcott).
3. Physics The increase in amplitude of oscillation of an electric or mechanical system exposed to a periodic force whose frequency is equal or very close to the natural undamped frequency of the system.
4. Physics A subatomic particle lasting too short a time to be observed directly. The existence of such particles is usually inferred from a peak in the energy distribution of its decay products.
5. Acoustics Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
6. Linguistics Intensification of vocal tones during articulation, as by the air cavities of the mouth and nasal passages.
7. Medicine The sound produced by diagnostic percussion of the normal chest.
8. Chemistry The property of a compound having simultaneously the characteristics of two or more structural forms that differ only in the distribution of electrons. Such compounds are highly stable and cannot be properly represented by a single structural formula.
All the same thing ?
And there is also the magnetic resonance machine to scan the body , its colser of a sonar type deal then resonance .
Quote from: Mk1 on November 17, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
@all
res·o·nance (rz-nns)
n.
1. The quality or condition of being resonant: words that had resonance throughout his life.
2. Richness or significance, especially in evoking an association or strong emotion: "It is home and family that give resonance . . . to life" (George Gilder). "Israel, gateway to Mecca, is of course a land of religious resonance and geopolitical significance" (James Wolcott).
3. Physics The increase in amplitude of oscillation of an electric or mechanical system exposed to a periodic force whose frequency is equal or very close to the natural undamped frequency of the system.
4. Physics A subatomic particle lasting too short a time to be observed directly. The existence of such particles is usually inferred from a peak in the energy distribution of its decay products.
5. Acoustics Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
6. Linguistics Intensification of vocal tones during articulation, as by the air cavities of the mouth and nasal passages.
7. Medicine The sound produced by diagnostic percussion of the normal chest.
8. Chemistry The property of a compound having simultaneously the characteristics of two or more structural forms that differ only in the distribution of electrons. Such compounds are highly stable and cannot be properly represented by a single structural formula.
All the same thing ?
And there is also the magnetic resonance machine to scan the body , its colser of a sonar type deal then resonance .
Can't believe you just posted all this ... ;D ;D ;D
above
good found !
Learning with google (!) :
http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Physics+The+increase+in+amplitude+of+oscillation+of+an+electric+or+mechanical+system+exposed+to+a+periodic+force+whose+frequency+is+equal+or+very+close+to+the+natural+undamped+frequency+of+the+system.+&btnG=Google+Search
Resonance is the CONDITION where energy transfer is at it's MOST EFFECIENT spot.
Nothing more Nothing less.
The kid on the swing it NEEDS a PUSH at the CORRECT TIME so the ENERGY ADDS to the TOTAL SUM and the SWING goes HIGHER.
If you BELIEVE the SWING is going to SWING ALL BY ITSELF you may WAIT FOREVER, or it must be the WIND.
If i PUSH one KID ON a SWING, does the kid on the SWING NEXT to IT start to swing TOO?
NO.
In TUNNINGFORKS the energy is RADIATED away from the PRIMARY FORK and is TRANSFFERRED and DIVIDED to the SECONDARY FORK(S).
TUNNINGFORKS do not SOUND by THEMSELVES they NEED the energy from the PRIMARY FORK.
STOP TALKING BULLSHIT or INDENTIFY some EXTERNAL SOURCE.
Resonance can be OU if you tape in an external source, (with non linear high permeability materials ?) curious effects about resonance is showed with rotoverter and transverter, they plays with power factor, LC resonance and Lenz law. In a conventional way resonance add nothing in term of energy gain. The crucial question is: does the coils can tape in an external source ?
Quote from: Mk1 on November 17, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
@all
res·o·nance (rz-nns)
n.
1. The quality or condition of being resonant: words that had resonance throughout his life.
2. Richness or significance, especially in evoking an association or strong emotion: "It is home and family that give resonance . . . to life" (George Gilder). "Israel, gateway to Mecca, is of course a land of religious resonance and geopolitical significance" (James Wolcott).
3. Physics The increase in amplitude of oscillation of an electric or mechanical system exposed to a periodic force whose frequency is equal or very close to the natural undamped frequency of the system.
4. Physics A subatomic particle lasting too short a time to be observed directly. The existence of such particles is usually inferred from a peak in the energy distribution of its decay products.
5.]Acoustics Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
6. Linguistics Intensification of vocal tones during articulation, as by the air cavities of the mouth and nasal passages.
7. Medicine The sound produced by diagnostic percussion of the normal chest.
8. Chemistry The property of a compound having simultaneously the characteristics of two or more structural forms that differ only in the distribution of electrons. Such compounds are highly stable and cannot be properly represented by a single structural formula.
All the same thing ?
And there is also the magnetic resonance machine to scan the body , its colser of a sonar type deal then resonance .
Thanks MK,
Basically this backs up everything I've been saying... about Resonance
Two Tuning Forks ring Louder and Longer than just One when only One is struck.
=
Intensification and prolongation of sound,
Best Regards,
The Observer
@observer
My issue is that you mix both of them together as one , they are similar but should be considered separately to be used properly .
Ferromagnetic resonance is a nuclear reaction inside of the iron that transform Fe isotope 54 into isotope 56 , one being a magnetic one energy is liberated by it .
This can be do at any freq ...
Sympathetic vibration , applied on to a ferromagnetic resonance material will lead to a avalanche of electron , that could lead to OU .
Understanding sympathetic vibration will help for better transfer of energy , the wireless system will permit greater distances at lower energy cost . Not unlike radio systems only better .
I am not saying that you are wrong but have a way of mixing bot , maybe because you did not explain your self clearly enough . My observation was that over simplifying your explanation made you look like you talk without knowing much , resonance is real important i agree , but unless really understood it is useless , plus its a a good word to trow around at every sauce .
If i conclude that both are the same i will never get anything out of it .
MK,
I mix FerroMagnetics and Resonance as if they are one?
Jee Wiz Wally.. I really don't know how I could be any clearer than
saying I am am not talking about FerroMagnetic Resonance
and labeling the phenomena separately as 1 and 2.
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 11:08:03 AM
MK1,
FerroMagnetic Resonance is not Resonance? OK ???
Well, I was not talking about Ferromagnetic Resonance.
I am talking about 2 different USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)
.. you put my two buzz words together
to formulate a false assumption
as to what I am talking about.
1. Ferromagnetics ... unpaired free electron spiin produces a freee magnetic field that can be utilized.
2. The phenomenon that Resonating objects Store and emit/radiate Energy based on the amount of energy stored.
I am talking about Resonating an (well many )Ignition Coil Transformers.
It's Resonant Frequency has to do with the dimensions of the Transformer.
I would agree that playing with Ferro Resonance would be interesting,
however.. that is not what I am doing when I resonate a Transformer.
How bout your input on where the magic lies in an impressive Joule Thief ?
I say you need either a Ferro Core or to Resonate the Transformer or both.
Everytime I say this.. someone says that I'm wrong.. air core will work.
I then clearly ask.. ARE YOU RESONATING THE AIR CORE TO ACCOMPLISH THE FEAT ?
To which I have NOT gotten an answer thus far.
WTF.
So, to the best of your knowledge... are there any impressive JTs (light CFL long time)
that use an air core but NOT resonance ?
Best Regards,
The Observer
@observer
Look at the definition one phenomenon is physic and the other acoustic ...
You are not helping your self or other there ...
@ChrisC
QuoteYou may have to wait until the cows come home. Just look at this history of this and previous Tseung threads. A little knowledge can be a very embarrassing thing, even though the author is so delusional he just doesn't get it.
If you look at history you will find some of the greatest inventions happened completely by accident while the inventor was investigating something entirely different. As such even though the people here may not have the required knowledge and may very well be delusional at least they are making an effort and that increases their odds of success by magnitudes compared to let's say someone like yourself who has probably never tried anything. Consider the lottery, the odds of winning are astronomical and yet "someone" wins every single week and they won simply because they tried, they bought a ticket, increasing their odds by magnitudes compared to someone who did not. It should be obvious that nobody will ever win a lottery if they have no ticket and nobody will ever succeed at anything unless they actually try.
Personally, I have always learned the most valuable lessons and gained the most knowledge when I have jumped into something way the hell over my head, I mean I'm so deep into it I cannot even see the light of day. At that point we can roll over and play dead or we can claw our way out of the hole we have gotten ourselves into and in every single case I have found we emerge a better person, you have to make an effort in order to succeed ;).
Regards
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on November 18, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
@ChrisCIf you look at history you will find some of the greatest inventions happened completely by accident while the inventor was investigating something entirely different. As such even though the people here may not have the required knowledge and may very well be delusional at least they are making an effort and that increases their odds of success by magnitudes compared to let's say someone like yourself who has probably never tried anything. Consider the lottery, the odds of winning are astronomical and yet "someone" wins every single week and they won simply because they tried, they bought a ticket, increasing their odds by magnitudes compared to someone who did not. It should be obvious that nobody will ever win a lottery if they have no ticket and nobody will ever succeed at anything unless they actually try.
Personally, I have always learned the most valuable lessons and gained the most knowledge when I have jumped into something way the hell over my head, I mean I'm so deep into it I cannot even see the light of day. At that point we can roll over and play dead or we can claw our way out of the hole we have gotten ourselves into and in every single case I have found we emerge a better person, you have to make an effort in order to succeed ;).
Regards
AC
Very wise. The problem is, that people who refuse to change can not be changed. Although I agree with everything you have said, some wouldn't, not because they disagree with you, but rather that they refuse to change their stand point. Until a person is willing to see error unto him/her self, nothing will change.
Observer:
I also doubt what you claim about the tuning forks. I would like to see some experimental evidence on this.
Because IF what you claim is true, then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A, and have 10 million other forks all equipped with pizo crystals and, poof, no more world energy problems.
Simple, basic physics would seem to dictate that to move a mass x, takes y input. To move 2x, or 10x or whatever would take additional input.
Yes, I can tune a piano, guitar and any other instrument you might want and i know that one fork will ring another of the same design but, not as loud as the first and not longer than the primary one and certainly not 10 million others. We did this in 5th grade science class if I recall. So, if this is the total answer to OU and the energy crisis, why is it not being implemented?
I don't mean to sound negative but usually, when someone repeats stuff as often as you do with no evidence whatsoever, experimental or otherwise, it usually means there is no evidence.
So please post your videos of you performing the multiple tuning fork experiments and show us the stopwatch. If you can't then please do not keep repeating this as "proven" when I do not believe that it has been.
I won't even get into electronic resonance which, evidently, you seem to think is the same thing as the tuning forks which most of us know is not correct either.
I am again sorry if I sound mean spirited, that is not my intention at all. I am just from the old school that just because someone repeats 100 times that the sky is green, does not make the sky green at all.
Bill
Bill,
You are not being mean spirited.
I appreciate any input you may have, as I have a lot of respect for you.
You said
QuoteBecause IF what you claim is true,
then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A,
and have 10 million other forks all equipped with pizo crystals and,
poof, no more world energy problems.
I say Yes.. something like that.
A roomful of tuning forks rings louder and longer than just 1 fork.
An Acoustic Guitar is 1000 times louder than an Electric with same strings/same strum... and rings longer.
(A fact that becomes abundantly clear when you want to impress a few folks with an Unplugged Electric at a party)
The Bigger the Acoustic Cavity (Helmholtz Resonator) in an Acoustic... the larger the effect.
Why not add another Resonater to make it even louder?... they did (they are called Resonator Guitars)
5.Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration. What does Intensification and Prolongation of Sound ... mean to you?
It is a false assumption to believe that you can damp something by applying it's natural frequency to it.
That is what you are saying if you think that a ringing fork can stop another fork from ringing.
In fact.. FEEDBACK is actually occurring. (how a rock star keeps the string vibrating by putting guitar near the speaker)
Keep in mind that only a VERY SMALL fraction of the energy from the first fork even encounters the second fork.
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As far as electronics go... please read this carefully,
Long story short.
After a year of studying Magnetism and Resonance (documented here),
I theorized that Resonating a Ferro Transformer would be very interesting.So I,
1. Bought an Electronics set.
2. Figured out how to resonate the STEP DOWN audio transformer with a simple oscillating circuit.
3. Found I could light a 3V led with a 1.5 Volt battery... On the step down side of the transformer !! (5V Pulses at resonance)
That is... at only 1 specific frequency, the Led Lights up as bright as the noon day sun.
4. Later, after getting an O-Scope, I found 90 V pulses on the Primary, which promptly BURN OUT Leds.
5. Finally, at the Magic Frequency.. the transformer also rings... you can hear it.
Now if you don't think that is interesting, I don't know what is.
The Transformer bursts with energy at only 1 frequency.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, Tesla himself said something to the effect...
" If it weren't Resonant Circuits, there would be nothing particularly interesting about electronics. "
We do know he was fond of 'Resonance' and Resonating Transformers.
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It should now be easier for you to see why I think that
Resonating Multiple Ignition Coils from a single Joule Thief may produce some very Interesting Results.Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 18, 2010, 03:02:17 AM
Observer:
I also doubt what you claim about the tuning forks. I would like to see some experimental evidence on this.
Because IF what you claim is true, then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A, and have 10 million other forks all equipped with pizo crystals and, poof, no more world energy problems.
Simple, basic physics would seem to dictate that to move a mass x, takes y input. To move 2x, or 10x or whatever would take additional input.
Yes, I can tune a piano, guitar and any other instrument you might want and i know that one fork will ring another of the same design but, not as loud as the first and not longer than the primary …..
Bill
Dear Bill,
We can settle the tuning fork resonance question with a simple on-line purchase of four tuning forks. If we are lazy and want to save a few dollars, we can just watch the video.
The resonance tuning happens to be one of the concepts I believe strongly. See reply 1070.
At University, I still remember the Professor said: “The resonance behavior is still not totally understood. At or close to resonance, the amplitude of oscillation increases exponentially with the same external pulsing. Bridges can collapse. We must introduce damping to avoid such destructive resonance effects.â€
My belief is the following: If COP of a bring-in energy device is 1.1 and there is perfect total feedback, the energy (shown as an increase in amplitude of oscillation) of the system will increase by (1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x. 1.1 …….). This explains the exponential increase in energy perfectly.
In playing with resonance on the FLEET prototypes, I did blow up my scope meter once and dozens of LEDs with the rundown AA batteries. This occurred most often when I experimented with the feedback circuits.
To repeat in more scientific terms: I strongly believe that external energy is brought-in. The sum of the pulsing input energy and the brought-in energy is greater than the pulsing input energy alone. If the loss is small and the total output energy is fed back as pulsing input energy, the energy of the system will increase in an exponential fashion. This occurs at or near resonance (or sometimes quoted as the undamped natural frequency of the system).
Experiments will confirm that the sound produced by two or more tuning forks on resonance boxes will sound louder and lasts longer than striking a single tuning fork alone. A four tuning fork experiment will be able to confirm that easily.Since I am contacting Universities to experiment with two oscilloscopes, I am sure that I shall be able to find 4 tuning forks in their teaching laboratories also. Another alternative is to ask my contacts at Hong Kong University to do the 4 tuning fork experiment.
Quote from: The Observer on November 17, 2010, 09:01:20 PM
Two Tuning Forks ring Louder and Longer than just One when only One is struck.
=
Intensification and prolongation of sound,
Best Regards,
The Observer
Are you really THIS STUPID??
The energy is carried away evenly into the environment just like radiowaves.
this means the field strength can be calculated at any given distance of the transmitter.
If there is no reciever still the energy is there.
You can place 100 radio's in one room to make the sound louder.
DUMBASS
Quote
As far as electronics go... please read this carefully,
Long story short.
After a year of studying Magnetism and Resonance (documented here),
I theorized that Resonating a Ferro Transformer would be very interesting.
So I,
1. Bought an Electronics
set.
2. Figured out how to resonate the STEP DOWN audio transformer with a simple oscillating circuit.
3. Found I could light a 3V led with a 1.5 Volt battery... On the step down side of the transformer !! (5V Pulses at resonance)
That is... at only 1 specific frequency, the Led Lights up as bright as the noon day sun.
4. Later, after getting an O-Scope, I found 90 V pulses on the Primary, which promptly BURN OUT Leds.
5. Finally, at the Magic Frequency.. the transformer also rings... you can hear it.
Now if you don't think that is interesting, I don't know what is.
The Transformer bursts with energy at only 1 frequency.
Dear Observer:
Your above experiment is great. Is it possible to have more information such as pictures, scope shots, actual frequency readings, videos etc.
Thank you and keep up the excellent work.
Lawrence
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 18, 2010, 12:03:23 PM
If there is no reciever still the energy is there.
You can place 100 radio's in one room to make the sound louder.
DUMBASS
WRONG !!
If you use 100 radios, You must supply they wit an lot of energy to drive THE AMPLIFIERS
for the loudspeakers !!!
-
I you will use 100 Crystal radios, that need no eternal power .... Than... Nothing go louder, because
100 tuned receiving coils, diodes and the ballast ost
the 100pcs 2000 Ohms "Loads" will damping the SOURCE (transmitter) and SUCKING and damping from the "transmitter".
his Test with Transmitter, crystal radio abd
an Radio with amplifier, i have done (as child) 50 years ago.
Nothing have changed in the pysics all the years...
Pese
ADD.:
You can be sure, that THE SAME PHYSICS is
VALID also for your "acousic fork"
If the "receiver is tuned on same frequeny (acousic fork) that is "damped" (in the funcion as an "ballast". THAN it such up energy from transmitter...
It not need to discussing that, only belive or try yourself
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSMITTER PART COMPARED TO TUNNING FORKS.
THIS IS GOING NOWHERE!!!!!
STUPID OBSERVER!!!!!!!!! F*** HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ?
@XS-NRG
QuoteI WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSMITTER PART COMPARED TO TUNNING FORKS.
THIS IS GOING NOWHERE!!!!!
STUPID OBSERVER!!!!!!!!! F*** HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ?
The only question that seems relevant here is have you ever done any of these tests or is your answer based solely on something you read in a textbook somewhere? You see science is not worshipping the information in some textbook as if it were some kind of fanatical religion and then ranting at anyone who does not agree. Science is when you form a premise then perform experiments to prove the matter for yourself.
Maybe you can give your supposed expert opinion on this experiment-----
Experiment 1:Take a pendulum which is free to swing on its fulcrum using a ball bearing, lift it a set height, let go then record how long it takes to come to a complete stop.
Experiment 2:Take two pendulums which are identical to the pendulum in experiment (1) and attach each of these pendulums on each end of a beam which is free to rotate about its center on a bearing. We now have three points of rotation, pendulum 1, the center of the beam and pendulum 2. Lift "one" of the pendulums the same height as in experiment (1) then let it go and record how long it takes the apparatus to come to a complete stop.
Now before you go and make any more silly comments you should understand that in each experiment an identical mass was lifted an identical height and released thus the energy input is and must always be identical. Can you tell me why the apparatus in experiment 2 was in motion three to four times longer than in experiment 1 ?. Now one could start ranting about the conservation of energy or rant about claims of overunity but I am not claiming anything other than experiment 2 will run much longer and there is a perfectly reasonable explanation why it does so. As well if you build two beams with four pendulums and seven points of rotation the time in motion increases substantially yet again. The result of this simple experiment also relates directly to why resonance would seem to imply more energy or an energy gain but it is really a drastic gain in efficiency above that expected. You see it is one thing to ridicule others based on an incomplete understanding of something you once read in a textbook and it is quite another to practice science through actual research and experiment.
Regards
AC
All Canadian,
You said,
QuoteScience is when you form a premise
then perform experiments
to prove the matter for yourself.
Brilliant definition.
Thankyou.
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XS,
I'm pretty sure I am more Intelligent than you profess.
However, your Passion that my assertion on the Tuning Forks is wrong is very interesting.
For one thing, I have never seen you type in all Caps !
Did you know that an Acoustic Guitar is 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar and rings longer?
The Acoustic Chamber of an Acoustic Guitar AMPLIFIES the Sound from the strings.
Please read the Wiki entry below if you think I'm wrong.
If you have an Acoustic Guitar, follow the instructions below.
I call myself the Observer because truth can only be deciphered by an impartial Observer.Clear away what anyone has told you, and do the experiment without prior judgment.
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LT,
One can also test the the "two tuning fork experiment" with an acoustic guitar.
There are 7 'Tuning Forks' on the guitar.
6 Strings and 1 Acoustic Chamber.
If you have one.. 1. just tune the top 3 strings to the same tone.
2. then test by strumming 1 string, with the other 2 damped.
3. then test by strumming 1 string, with the other 2 free.
4. Repeat #2 and #3 many times... Count the length and listen for loudness.
If you have trouble tuning... you can do it without using your ears.
Just watch the string you are tuning...
When it is tuned correctly, it will visibly vibrate when the 1st string is strummed.
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As far as my resonating audio transformer experiment goes,
I will try to put a summary together when I get my workbench up and running.
Jist is... when you resonate a typical Transformer, by however means, it bursts with energy.My best idea for you is this...
Why? For one, it is an easy way to light a CFL from your current setup.
1. Buy an Ignition Coil from the Auto Store.
2. Use a Signal Generator and an O-Scope to determine it's Resonant Frequency.
3. Use an O-Scope to design/tune your Best Joule Thief to the Resonant Frequency of the Ignition Coil.
4. Hook up output of the JT... to Input of the Ignition Coil. & fine tune to resonance.
5. Measure output of Ignition Coil, and see if it lights a CFL for the better part of a day (1.5 V battery).
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Pirate,
Hope you got a chance to read my response to your prior on the last page.
To recap...
You said,
QuoteAlso doubt what you claim about the tuning forks.
I would like to see some experimental evidence on this.
Because IF what you claim is true, then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A, and have 10 million other forks...
My claim, for those just joining, is that
2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.I just wanted to know what the Dictionary's definition of Sound Resonance meant to you.
Your interpretation in layman's words, if you will.
I inquired,
Quote5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
What does Intensification and Prolongation of Sound ... mean to you?
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Best Regards,
The Observer
haha sure ;)
i know one when i see one.
;D ;D ;D
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=1869 (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=1869)
Quote
As far as my resonating audio transformer experiment goes,
I will try to put a summary together when I get my workbench up and running.
Jist is... when you resonate a typical Transformer, by however means, it
bursts with energy.
My best idea for you is this...
Why? For one, it is an easy way to light a CFL from your current setup.
1. Buy an Ignition Coil from the Auto Store.
2. Use a Signal Generator and an O-Scope to determine it's Resonant
Frequency.
3. Use an O-Scope to design/tune your Best Joule Thief to the Resonant
Frequency of the Ignition Coil.
4. Hook up output of the JT... to Input of the Ignition Coil. & fine tune to
resonance.
5. Measure output of Ignition Coil, and see if it lights a CFL for the better
part of a day (1.5 V battery).
Dear Observer,
It looks like Aaron in Hong Kong already understood your technique. He used something similar to light up his Christmas tree. Instead of resonating an ignition coil, he resonated the toroid.
The details will come out when he shows his Christmas tree next month.
Your suggestion is extremely valuable. Using resonance or near resonance conditions to bring-in external energy is definitely the right direction to take.
Keep up the brilliant thinking and work.
Lawrence
Meeting with Prof. T at the Senior Center in Irvine, California
Prof. T: “Hello, Mr. Tseung. I am a retired professor in Physics. I heard about the lead-out or bring-in energy theory from my students. They told me that you go to the Senior Center on Fridays. Nice meeting you.â€
Tseung: “We can take a walk outside and talk under the blue sky. My daughter drops me off in the morning and will pick me up in the evening. I have at least 5 hours to spend here. I can watch movies, play table tennis, take walks or join the dancing lessons. Talking about lead-out energy tops them all.â€
Prof. T: “I want to focus on your lead-out or bring-in energy theory. I designed one of the street cleaning water jets that is used to clean the streets. Your explanation of the water toy gun and the one-way valve pump was of great interest to me. I used air+water in my jet. I found that an air+water jet is much more powerful than a water jet alone.â€
Tseung: “Do you agree with my assumption that air is an energy carrier?â€
Prof. T: “Your formula of Energy of Air In (Ein) = Volume In x Pressure In is correct. If we do a dimensional analysis on both sides of the equation, we can see that they correspond. Your biggest contribution is the assumption that Ein can be greater than Eout. The difference is the lead-out or bring-in energy from still ar.â€
Tseung: ‘Thank you.â€
Prof. T: “Once I accepted that energy from the surrounding can be brought-in, the rest of your theory is straight forward. Even though I designed the air+water jet, I did not take into account the (Ein-Eout) term. I knew that my air+water jet was more powerful, used much less energy and cleaned the street much better than a pure water jet.â€
Tseung: “Did you look into the pulsed pendulum?â€
Prof. T: “I shall look into that in detail next. You said that you have a pendulum toy that could demonstrate this part of the theory. Can you bring it in next time?â€
Tseung: ‘I shall be glad to.â€
It looks like the Almighty is working miracles. He managed to find a retired Physics Professor interest in the Micky Mouse pendulum toy!
@The Observer
QuoteMy claim, for those just joining, is that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
Here is the reason your tuning forks and my dual pendulum experiment will stay in motion much longer -- Pd=1/2*p*V^3*A*Cd. This is the equation for Drag which describes the fact that drag increases as the cube of the velocity. When two tuning forks are in oscillation and are proximate to one another standing pressure waves evolve between them which reduces the drag forces. If the air between the forks is moving at velocity A and the forks at velocity B and if these motions act in the same direction in time then the apparent air velocity the forks percieve approaches zero relative to the local air velocity which is zero.
I find is hard to believe so many people would have such a problem with basic high school physics and this should be no harder to understand than the fact that if you are running at 10mph with a 10mph tailwind then the air around you has an apparent velocity of zero, that is it appears stationary dispite the fact that the local velocity is in fact 10mph.
With my dual pendulum energy as motion is transferred from one pendulum to the other alternately through the cross beam which oscillates on the beat note or difference in velocity between the pendulums. As well the bearing friction of each pendulum must result in a turning moment on the cross beam -- a simple lever action. While the surface area of the dual pendulums has increased a great deal relative to a single pendulum the fact remains that more elements are moving in resonance so the average velocity must decrease. If the surface area has doubled but the average velocity has halved them the system will experience four times less drag due to the velocity cubed rule which is the reason it remains in motion much longer. My dual pendulum may appear to move more but appearances are not facts, the fact is that a small change in velocity can produce a great change in the reduction in the drag forces.
I should also mention the fact that this is part of the reason why Nikola Tesla could transfer huge amounts of energy from one system to another with essentially no losses, one wire conduction and the wireless transfer of energy ;).
Regards
AC
Email exchanges with Prof. T Quote
From Prof. T:
Mr. Tseung, I enjoyed the discussion with you yesterday. You do have some interesting thoughts that are not accepted by the traditional scientists yet. Science is not a sacred castle. No true scientist will claim that he has mastered all the secrets of the universe. No true scientist will claim that there are Laws that cannot be broken. With new advances in technology and new discoveries, a true scientist must be prepared to re-examine the established concepts.
I congratulate you on discovering and promoting the new concept of lead-out or bring-in of energy from the surrounding environment. I can see that this concept does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. If you can continuously bring in energy from the environment to power your machine, your machine can run forever. In that sense, a windmill is a bring-in energy machine. It brings-in the moving wind energy to do useful work.
You have expanded that concept to the water gun, the one-way valve pump and my air+water street cleaning jet. You also mentioned (which I have not seriously investigated) the pulsed pendulum, the pulsed magnetic wheels and the pulsed transformer.
One thing that troubled me was your explanation of resonance. I and my colleagues always thought that resonance is just a very efficient state of absorbing the pulsing energy. The amplitude of oscillation increases rapidly as the pulsing energy is added to the system. Your mentioning that the same pulsing energy away from the resonance frequency should be the same as that at or near the resonance frequency troubled me.
Can you outline your thoughts in greater detail?
See you at the Senior Center in two weeks time.
My email reply:
Quote
Dear Prof. T,
I enjoyed the discussion very much. That was the first time in USA that I could discuss the subject with someone well qualified.
My concept of resonance is as follows:
1. If you push a child on a swing, you must push at the right time in order for the swing to go higher. You are providing the pulsing energy. At the same time, the tension on the ropes of the swing will bring-in gravitational energy. (We can discuss this more when we meet next time).
2. Approximately one part of gravitational energy will be brought-in with two parts of your pushing energy. (We can go through the mathematics when we meet). Thus three parts of energy enters the swing system.
3. If there were no energy loss, the coefficient of performance (Output/Input energy) is 1.5. The extra 0.5 is the lead-out energy.
4. If we have perfect feedback, the first push from you is 1 unit. When the swing comes back to you, the energy is already 1.5 units. You will give it another push of 1 unit. The energy is thus 2.5 units. This 2.5 units will be multiplied by 1.5 because COP is 1.5. This means the energy coming back to you will be 3.75 (2.5 x 1.5).
5. If we repeat the calculation as in 4, we shall find that the energy of the system increases rapidly in an exponential fashion. This agrees with the observation and definition of resonance in Physics.
6. If the system is not perfect (feedback not too efficient) and there were some losses of energy, we can still observe a large increase in amplitude at resonance. If the pulsing frequency is not the resonance frequency, it is equivalent to pushing the swing at the wrong time. The swing will stop or slow down quickly.
7. To summarize, I believe the swing, the pendulum, the tuning fork, the LCR resonance circuits all involve bring-in energy. If the pulsing frequency is correct (the resonance frequency), the sum of the pulsing energy and the bring-in energy must be higher than the pulsing energy alone.
8. If we have the correct feedback mechanism and low loss, we may be able to produce the bring-in energy machine that will continuous feedback itself after starting and have enough extra energy to do useful work.
9. Such a bring-in energy machine is not the impossible perpetual motion energy machine because we have a continuous supply of energy from the surrounding environment.
10. Providing the pulse at the correct frequency (resonance) is an important factor in such a machine.
In the case of the two or more tuning fork experiment, I believe that the sound from two or more tuning forks is louder than when only one is hit â€" is due to the bring-in energy from air into the two or more tuning fork environment. Law of Conservation of energy is still valid.
Hope the above clarifies the resonance discussion. The rapid increase in amplitude of oscillation at resonance is due to the addition of bring-in energy. This addition will not happen at other frequencies.
Email from Prof. T Quote
You made a big assumption. There is energy coming in from the surrounding environment at resonance.
This assumption has not been taught at universities and is not in the Physics textbooks.
You may be right. If so, you may be teaching all of us an important lesson. Work on it more. Experiment more. Write a proper scientific paper.
Posting on the Internet is not considered vigorous review by qualified peers.
My reply:
Thank you for your advice. I shall write the vigorous scientific paper either alone or with other authors. Would you like to be a co-author?
The Pulsed Pendulum Toy
The following is what I intend to show and discuss with Prof. T when we meet next.
The theoretical explanation of the Pulsed Pendulum is that â€" when a pendulum is pushed or pulled by a horizontal force, horizontal work is done. The pendulum rises in height. In the past, most scientists thought that the pendulum acted as a simple machine and converted some of the horizontal energy into vertical energy. They did not do the vigorous mathematics.
Once they do the physics and mathematics, they will realize that the vertical work done can be attributed to the tension of the string. The string brings-in gravitational energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be brought-in.
The pulsed pendulum toys that we can buy in the toy or gift stores are working prototypes that illustrate this principle.
For more advanced prototypes, check out the Milkovic Pendulum or the Yu Oscillator.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Milkovic_Two-Stage_Mechanical_Oscillator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 21, 2010, 12:24:03 PM
The Pulsed Pendulum Toy
The following is what I intend to show and discuss with Prof. T when we meet next.
The theoretical explanation of the Pulsed Pendulum is that â€" when a pendulum is pushed or pulled by a horizontal force, horizontal work is done. The pendulum rises in height. In the past, most scientists thought that the pendulum acted as a simple machine and converted some of the horizontal energy into vertical energy. They did not do the vigorous mathematics.
Once they do the physics and mathematics, they will realize that the vertical work done can be attributed to the tension of the string. The string brings-in gravitational energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be brought-in.
The pulsed pendulum toys that we can buy in the toy or gift stores are working prototypes that illustrate this principle.
For more advanced prototypes, check out the Milkovic Pendulum or the Yu Oscillator.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Milkovic_Two-Stage_Mechanical_Oscillator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk
Your in a over unity forum, and you show toys that use solar panels...... what more can be said? ummm... apart from THIS ISN'T OVER UNITY!
Quote from: Poit on November 21, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Your in a over unity forum, and you show toys that use solar panels...... what more can be said? ummm... apart from THIS ISN'T OVER UNITY!
Delusion is a state of the mind. Can't be cured, unfortunately... Medicine can only help temporarily.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Poit on November 21, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Your in a over unity forum, and you show toys that use solar panels...... what more can be said? ummm... apart from THIS ISN'T OVER UNITY!
Dear Poit,
When we design overunity machines, we must understand where the extra energy comes from. You must have missed the reading and understanding of the attached two slides.
The first slide shows the three types of machines. The top figure shows a conventional machine. If we put in 100 units of energy, some (10%) will be used to overcome friction and the maximum output of energy will be 90 units. This is regarded as a 90% efficient machine with a COP of 0.9. In today’s standards, it is a good machine.
The middle figure shows an
impossible perpetual motion machine . If we put in 100 units of energy, more than 100 units will come out. The Law of Conservation of Energy says that Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Such a machine is impossible.
I totally agree with this accepted view.The bottom figure shows a
possible lead-out or bring-in energy machine. If we put in 100 units of energy, the machine will bring-in 50 units of energy from the surrounding environment. Thus the total input of energy into the machine is NOT 100 units. It is 150 units. The output energy can then be greater than 100 units (but less than 150 units). This is the lead-out or bring-in energy machine I have been working on for the last ten years.
The pendulum toys use both solar panel energy and the bring-in gravitational energy. Thus they are
bring-in energy machines. They cannot self-sustain and swing forever after one pulse because there is loss of energy. The feedback mechanism is the simple swinging back. If we give them 100 units of energy and they bring-in an additional 50 units of energy, the total of 150 units will not last too long with the energy loss. If we place a pendulum in a vacuum, the swinging time will be much longer.
The second slide shows the requirement for a useful overunity machine. The machine must be so efficient that only a tiny amount of energy (zero is best) is lost as friction etc. The feedback mechanism allows X units to be fed back. The bring-in energy Y (minus loss) will be used for useful work.
In our FLEET prototype, we can demonstrate that energy is brought in from the surrounding environment. The Output Energy graph from the second oscilloscope is greater than the Input Energy graph from the first oscilloscope. In order for us to produce the overunity machine that can do useful work and continuously feedback itself, we need to have a much better feedback and control mechanism. As I mentioned before, I have NOT achieved this feat yet.
In order for us to achieve this feat, we need to do the following:
1. Provide enough starting energy so that the machine is in the much more efficient state in bringing-in energy. For example, in rotational machines, the rotation must reach a certain number of revolutions per second. In pulse machines, the pulsing must reach or nearly reach the resonance frequency and that the extraction mechanism must be drawing a large enough amount of energy to do the feedback and perform useful work.
2. This starting energy must come from some form of electrical or mechanical means. Thus there are batteries in most pulsing machines. (The Wang Shen He machine is an exception).
3. If we use a battery, the self-sustaining overunity machine must be able to recharge the battery after starting and continue to bring-in surrounding environment energy to do useful work.
4. Many inventors claimed that their inventions can do that (e.g. Joseph Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang, etc.) I believe that they are valid.
5. The feedback mechanism must be so good that it can vary with external load. My simple feedback mechanism using variable resistor will not do the trick. As soon as I took out the battery or switched off the power supply, the effective load (including battery, power supply, resistors, capacitors, inductors and other electronic components) changes. The new “resonance†frequency is no longer the one with battery or power supply on.
6. At present, my approach is to recharge the battery with the Output Energy. I am in USA now and need time to build a new team and purchase the right equipment again. The team in Hong Kong headed by Aaron Quant and Prof. Dennis Leung at Hong Kong University has my equipment and is making good progress.
I have NOT perfected the feedback mechanism myself yet. Even though my FLEET prototypes can demonstrate COP greater than 200, I cannot produce a self-sustaining machine that continues to function after removing the battery or the solar panel. (I can prolong the lighting time with my simple feedback.)
To conclude, the pulsed pendulum toys are lead-out or bring-in energy machines. They use both solar energy and gravitational energy. I shall defend this God-granted truth with all my soul, my heart and my intellect.
How can I turn the solar pendulum toy to a self-sustaining device
This was the question raised by the toy manufacturer when I was in Shenzhen in October 2010. My answer at that time was:
Tseung: “I can propose a solution. But I cannot guarantee that it will work. I have not done the experiments and I do not have the equipment or tools to test the proposed solution. Would you like to listen to the proposed solution?â€
Manufacturer: “There is no harm in listening to a proposed solution. I would not lose anything and might even learn something. If I like it, I may implement it and buy you dinner. If I do not like it, I just ignore it. You are not charging me anything, right?â€
Tseung: “Correct. But I do look forward to a good dinner. I am getting hungry. From my observation, the pendulum toy makes a loud sound in strong light. The loud sound represents loss of energy or wasting the electrical energy as sound energy.â€
Manufacturer: “That is correct.â€
Tseung: “If we can capture that wasted energy into a rechargeable battery, that energy can be reused to pulse the pendulum. Your existing pendulum toy does not have a battery. But you also sell a key ring with solar cell and a battery to light up 3 LEDs. Is that correct?â€
Manufacturer: “Correct. I can give you a couple of those key rings as a gift. They sell for about RMB7 dollars (or less than 1 US dollar) in the gift stores in Shenzhen.â€
Tseung: “Thank you. With strong sunlight or a fully charged battery, you can always reproduce the condition of the loud sound. Instead of wasting as sound energy, you can have an energy capturing circuit to recharge the battery. Your pendulum toy can then continue to function in dim light or no light.â€
Manufacturer: “Let us go out for dinner.â€
Theoretically, if the LCR circuit of the toy were tuned correctly, the bring-in energy should be able to pulse the pendulum and recharge the battery without the solar panel. However, the solar panel will provide the added safeguard and keep the battery fully charged most of the time.
This was a proposed solution carrying no guarantees. I made a friend and enjoyed a good dinner.
Conversation with Dr. K and Mr. L
I was in a different heated swimming pool with a small gym and a spa. It was no longer a private pool. It was never empty. I was with a retired medical doctor Dr. K and a retired engineer Mr. L in the spa.
Dr. K: “I have not seen you before. Are you new?â€
Tseung: “I usually go to the unheated pool. It was like a private pool.â€
Mr. L: “That is a summer pool. It is winter time now. Everybody comes here. That pool offers only ice cold water and cold shower. I am surprised that any one will go there.â€
Tseung: “I did not know this pool before. It is 15 minutes walk compared with 3 minutes walk.â€
Dr. K: “You can do with the exercise. Thirty minutes walk everyday is good for you.â€
We then talked about bring-in energy and the solar pendulum toy.
Mr. L: “If I were the manufacturer, I would not improve the solar panel pendulum toy. It is mainly used for display to attract attention. What is the point of moving in the dark?â€
Dr. K: “I agree. You mentioned that the pulsed wheel is much more efficient than the pendulum. You can only add energy when the pendulum swings to its maximum position. That limits the efficiency of the device. The pulsed wheel is much better. You can easily bring-in magnetic energy.â€
Mr. L: “I like FLEET best. It is the latest and greatest. It is small in size. I would like to see it sometime.â€
Tseung: “Once I identified where I could use two oscilloscopes, I shall inform you.â€
seek medical help Lawrence
@ltseung888
Situation now:
It is getting cold in my house, no heating ,. not enough money.
I need 2000 Watt to 3000 Watt to heat my kitchen (only warm place in my house).
This thread is a long one, and you seem to have something I need so where is the beef?
I have some magnets laying about and a lot of copper wire and I would love to make this great "Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets" of yours so I and my daughter will sit comfy this winter.
So,.....where is it?
I need it now!
No more bull please,... show us your bollocks!
Regards, Tink and daughter.
Tink,
I guess you must be pretty poor sob.
Maybe getting a job might help.
However, if you really must know...
Forget about your copper wire and macro-magnets.
The embedded magnets are the rotatable magnetic dipoles contained within a ferromagnetic core.
They are powered by unpaired free electron spin and is the reason that ferrite can amplify the field of coil 100,000 times !
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
Here is your answer...
1. Buy about 5 Ignition Coils from the Auto Store (identical).
2. Use your O-Scope and Signal Generator to determine Resonant Frequency of Ignition Coils.
3. Then build a Joule Thief that runs off a wall transformer...that oscillates at the Frequency you just found.
4..Hook output of JT to inputs of I-Coils.
5. Use output of I-Coils to heat your house, power your car or cook a nice pizza.
Why is this a viable way to amplify energy?
A. Two Tuning Forks ring Louder and Longer than One.
B. A piece of Ferrite can amplify the Magnetic Field of Coil by 100,000, times without using any extra current.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 23, 2010, 12:55:01 AM
Tink,
I guess you must be pretty poor sob.
Maybe getting a job might help.
...
Best Regards,
The Observer
Maybe, you shouldn't post S.O.S over and over again. Same old Shit would not pass muster.
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
Do you realize that most challenged my assertion about the tuning forks ringing louder and longer ?
Then MK1 posted the definition of Resonance.
Low and Behold, it confirmed my statement ! ---> Two tuning forks ring louder and louder than one.
Then... Silence .
Obviously, this phenomenon is shocking, otherwise there wouldn't be such a widespread...Bullshit Reaction.
So, please accept that I will repeat it often... especially anytime I see a negative comment in this thread.
Do yourself a favor, take a vacation from your obsession with Mr Tseung.
Maybe a Therapist could help you get out of your Funk.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 23, 2010, 01:51:31 AM
Chris,
Do you realize that most challenged my assertion about the tuning forks ringing louder and longer ?
Then MK1 posted the definition of Resonance.
Low and Behold, it confirmed my statement ! ---> Two tuning forks ring louder and louder than one.
Then... Silence .
Obviously, this phenomenon is shocking, otherwise there wouldn't be such a widespread...Bullshit Reaction.
So, please accept that I will repeat it often... especially anytime I see a negative comment in this thread.
Do yourself a favor, take a vacation from your obsession with Mr Tseung.
Maybe a Therapist could help you get out of your Funk.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Don't use my name to say stupid stuff . You seem to think your observations are better then everyone else ...
First yes 2 tuning forks ring louder then one , that one is easy there are TWO and it is more then ONE ... if it didn't we would have a problem .
You really don't read what i am saying , because i agree on many point with you but seem to be missing those parts .
The real important thing to understand the physic of acoustic , is that if you ring on tuning fork the second one will also ring free of charge , because they have the same freq ...
This is also why if you ring both they will ring longer ...
Now the ferromagnetic resonance can not be a acoustic phenomenon for many reason , first it must vibrate most of the time the coil it self dampen the core , a torus would not work in those application because there is no place for vibration on a torus , you would need a hole like triangle (the instrument) , therefore the noise comes from the coil it self and there is no ferromagnetic in the coil . And yes sometime we cant hear it but it is still sound i know. I don't think that at any freq i will hear the electromagnetism . But in some respect it can work similarly Tesla tuned his coil but not with a circuit but the coil it self length size and mass , making receivers work with loading the source , Tesla also designed single wire system to work on those at greater efficiency and no loading .
There is however something called ferromagnetic resonance , that is another story , i actually explained it all in my last post where i never said it wasn't working but only not like you say ...
This means you can use both idea on resonance together , but still you need to separate them to truly understand , i am tying to help BTW.
And as i see you mix both together , it make you look foolish , prevent you from really understanding (we do that to our self ) , or making pertinent comment , you speak the truth but that doesn't make you right .
As soon as you think you are smarter then everyone else , you prevent your self from evolving , how many time have you outgrown a idea ?
Only fools stop evolving .
Is there anything unusual about two tuning forks or two linked pendulums being "active" for longer than if they were isolated and alone?
My impression from a few members is that there is.
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on November 23, 2010, 08:29:55 AM
Is there anything unusual about two tuning forks or two linked pendulums being "active" for longer than if they were isolated and alone?
My impression from a few members is that there is.
.99
Poynt:
I agree. To me it is like saying that I have 2 glasses of water and that is twice the amount of water in one glass alone. While true not too astounding in my opinion.
Bill
Quote
Within that definition it says,
5. Sound - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
Intensification = Louder & Prolongation = Longer
With that definition, I may not need to do the experiment myself. Thank you, Observer and others.
Quote
Our cost for 20200.06,Tuning Fork,Resonance,440Hz is USD 10.05/set,Fob Ningbo.
This Tuning fork is packed as 20pairs per master carton and MOQ is 40sets every time,thanks a lot for kindly understanding.
I do not mind buying three or four sets. But forty sets are too much. At least I know now the cost of wholesale or the cost to retailers.
*** On second thought, having 40 sets to do a conclusive one-time experiment is not bad.
If we strike one tuning fork on the resonance box and all 40 resonate. Will the resulting sound be much louder and last longer???
If so, the traditional hardliner insisting that the energy must have come from the single strike alone will have to scratch his head.
The bring-in energy believers will smile and say: “I told you so!â€
I believe that the Almighty is guiding us closer and closer to the true understanding of resonance without me doing all the work. Thank you for whoever dug out the resonance definition on Sound â€" An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration. I still think it is a good investment if we spend US400 dollars on the 40 sets and videotape the experiment. That experiment with the video will resonate (or bring-in) energy from thousands of scientific establishments.
Louder and Longer definitely means more Energy
Mk,
Don't use your name to post stupid stuff???
QuoteThen MK1 posted the definition of Resonance.
Ok, SOMEONE posted the Definition of Resonance.
Feel better???
Within that definition it says,
5. Sound -
An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
Intensification = Louder & Prolongation = Longer
Then you assert that I mix up FerroMagnetics and Resonance as if they were the same thing.
Hmmm, must have not caught this post...
QuoteMK,
I mix FerroMagnetics and Resonance as if they are one?
Jee Wiz Wally.. I really don't know how I could be any clearer than
saying I am am not talking about FerroMagnetic Resonance
and labeling the phenomena separately as 1 and 2.
QuoteMK1,
FerroMagnetic Resonance is not Resonance? OK ???
Well, I was not talking about Ferromagnetic Resonance.
I am talking about 2 different USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)
.. you put my two buzz words together
to formulate a false assumption
as to what I am talking about.
1. Ferromagnetics ... unpaired free electron spiin produces a freee magnetic field that can be utilized.
2. The phenomenon that Resonating objects Store and emit/radiate Energy based on the amount of energy stored.
I am talking about Resonating an (well many )Ignition Coil Transformers
.
It's Resonant Frequency has to do with the dimensions of the Transformer.
I would agree that playing with Ferro Resonance would be interesting,
however.. that is not what I am doing when I resonate a Transformer.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pirate,
---> I have been waiting for days,<---- for your reply to my question.
QuotePirate,
Hope you got a chance to read my response to your prior on the last page.
To recap...
You said,
QuoteAlso doubt what you claim about the tuning forks.
I would like to see some experimental evidence on this.
Because IF what you claim is true, then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A, and have 10 million other forks...
My claim, for those just joining, is that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
I just wanted to know what the Dictionary's definition of Sound Resonance meant to you.
Your interpretation in layman's words, if you will.
I inquired,
Quote5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
What does Intensification and Prolongation of Sound ... mean to you?
This is very important to me, I would appreciate your thoughts on this definition at it relates to my claim about the forks.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@observer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetic_resonance
The one called NMR is the one i talk about , you see .
Btw i learned about the tuning fork in the 1980 , i had time to think about it .
Quote from: Tink on November 22, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
@ltseung888
Situation now:
It is getting cold in my house, no heating ,. not enough money.
I need 2000 Watt to 3000 Watt to heat my kitchen (only warm place in my house).
This thread is a long one, and you seem to have something I need so where is the beef?
I have some magnets laying about and a lot of copper wire and I would love to make this great "Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets" of yours so I and my daughter will sit comfy this winter.
So,.....where is it?
I need it now!
No more bull please,... show us your bollocks!
Regards, Tink and daughter.
Quote from: Tink on November 22, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
@ltseung888
Situation now:
It is getting cold in my house, no heating ,. not enough money.
I need 2000 Watt to 3000 Watt to heat my kitchen (only warm place in my house).
This thread is a long one, and you seem to have something I need so where is the beef?
I have some magnets laying about and a lot of copper wire and I would love to make this great "Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets" of yours so I and my daughter will sit comfy this winter.
So,.....where is it?
I need it now!
No more bull please,... show us your bollocks!
Regards, Tink and daughter.
Dear Tink,
You expressed similar thoughts as the Business School Students I met in the Spa. They went back to Business School because they could not find jobs. They said that the fault lay with the business owners who exported the jobs away to Mexico, China, India and other low cost production countries. Those jobs will not come back because of the profit motive.
The jobs that could not be exported such as real estate were destroyed by the Banks who loaned recklessly to create the real estate bubble. They gave me a good example. As students, they were able to get loans to buy homes worth US$300K. There were no credit checks. When they could not get jobs, they had few alternatives but to default.
One suggestion was to get the Government to buy all the bank repossessed properties, knock them down. The knocking down process will create jobs. When there are shortages in supply, the home prices will go up. Builders will start to rebuild and create jobs again. These jobs will stay in USA.
My suggestion is to pump money and resources into lead-out or bring-in energy research. That will accelerate the research and development process.
Relying on a retired old man to do all the work is impractical. This old man is still waiting for UCI or another establishment to come up with two oscilloscopes to test the working prototypes from Hong Kong!
The working prototype can only generate 10 watts peak-to-peak. It will not heat-up your kitchen. If you can lobby your Congressman or Elected Representative to look into “lead-out energyâ€, you may be doing something useful.
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 23, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
Dear Tink,
.... This old man is still waiting for UCI or another establishment to come up with two oscilloscopes to test the working prototypes from Hong Kong!
...
The problem exists between your ears, not about oscilloscopes!
cheers
chrisC
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The theoretical explanation of sound resonance of tuning forks according to the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory
1. Let us assume that when we strike one tuning fork on a resonance box, other identical tuning forks will react in sympathetic vibrations. They will resonate together, the resulting sound will be louder and lasts longer.
2. The louder and lasting longer sound means more energy in the resonating tuning forks. Where does this extra energy come from?
3. According to the Law of Conservation of Energy, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The extra energy must come from the surrounding. This is the essence of the lead-out or bring-in energy theory.
4. In the Lead-out or Bring-in energy theory, a pushed pendulum will bring-in gravitational energy. Two parts horizontal energy can bring in one part of vertical (or gravitational) energy. A tuning fork is similar to a pendulum.
5. When a tuning fork is first struck with a hammer, a certain amount of muscle energy is turned into the vibration energy. The first vibrating tuning fork moves the air, sending pulsing sound waves.
6. These pulsing sound waves act on other identical tuning forks. Gravitational energy is again bought-in. The total energy of the system of tuning forks can be greater than the initial striking energy. This explains the louder and longer sound.
7. Since energy is continuously transmitted to air, the sound will die down eventually.
More potential tuning fork suppliers on-line.
LT,
My take.
1. A Louder Sound is the result of the second fork ringing also. (the extra energy comes from the fork)
2. A Longer Sound is the result of Feedback. (first and second fork's vibrations feed off each other)
3. The air is a Carrier of vibrational energy in the case of the tuning forks (the air is Not Resonating).
* In an Acoustic Guitar, the air is what is Resonating, therefore the extra energy does come from the air in this case.
4. That which Resonates, is storing vibrational energy.
* The more energy something can store... the more extra energy it shows us.
* A large tuning fork rings louder than a small tuning fork from the same input.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 24, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
LT,
(the extra energy comes from the fork)
The Observer
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just like that right!!!
Now tunning forks DELIVER energy WOOOW you got the holy grail bro HAHAHAHAHAHA
I told you tou were STUPID!
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 24, 2010, 12:51:00 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just like that right!!!
Now tunning forks DELIVER energy WOOOW you got the holy grail bro HAHAHAHAHAHA
I told you tou were STUPID!
It takes two to Tango; in this case, these two are tangled in their Fork dance. LOL.
cheers
chrisC
XS, and Chris...
Why don't you explain why 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1?
5. Acoustics - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
If you don't think the energy that results in an
INTENSIFICATION and PROLONGATION of sound comes from that which Resonates..
where does it come from?
I know you won't answer cause, it means I'm right, but anyways,
What does Intensification and Prolongation of sound ... mean to you ?
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 24, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
XS, and Chris...
Why don't you explain why 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1?
5. Acoustics - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
If you don't think the energy that results in an
INTENSIFCATION and PROLONGATION of sound comes from that which Resonates..
where does it come from?
I know you won't answer cause, it means I'm right, but anyways,
What does Intensification and Prolongation of sound ... mean to you.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Are you delusional as well? MK1 has already explained to you quite well and you still don't get it? Then there's nothing left for you. I guess Tseung and you are truly two of a delusional kind.
Cheers
chrisC
Chris,
Delusional ?
Do you know that you claim that there is nothing of interest here???
If there is nothing here, then why the BIG CONCERN buddy?
-----> Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one. <-----
1. Intensification..... means the higher amplitude sound waves reaching a Listener's Ear has more Energy.
2. Prolongation... means that more Energy reaches a Listener's Ear than a tone of shorter duration.
More Energy...from the addition of a single tuning fork.
Logic dictates that the (undeniable) extra energy comes from the second fork.
If you don't think that's where it is coming from.. then let me know.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I KNOW there is no extra energy....
So i cannot let you know that i don't THINK it's comming from your second fork.
Because THINKING and KNOWING are two different things!
The observer
Get one buck of candy in one bag , then get a second bag of candy with 2 bucks of candy in it , now tell me why is the second bag bigger ...
Yes there 2 fork ring loader then 1 , because there is one more ...
Now great you figured that the second fork was feeding back some energy to the second , but the energy comes for the first fork , since the second fork mirrors the waves back to the first . When you see your reflection the mirror do you think there are 2 of you ?
MK,
I don't care about a bag of candy or an image in a mirror, you are not resonating them.
I am talking about scientific principles in scientific language as it applies to Sympathetic Vibrational Physics.
I would appreciate if you would do the same.
5. Acoustics - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, especially of musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
1. Intensification means higher amplitude waves which mean more energy.
2. Prolongation means a longer sound than previously possible which means more energy.
An Acoustic Guitar is 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar because of the Acoustic Cavity.
The Acoustic Cavity AMPLIFIES the sound of the string.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@the observer
You are so sharp , you don't get that i do not disagree about the resonance it self , but your first degree child like observation . I will not be wasting any more of my time on you . Get rid of your stupid EGO .
And Btw this is Gadget's works , and he told me he got a self running E-light , but what will bug you is that was no ferromagnetic core on his self running unit only card board , what a strange idea ? And the type of coil he used inspired by those.
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/5/myZrCurW0uE
Meeting Mr. L at the Swimming Pool again
Mr. L: “I have been thinking about our conversation. We may be able to help you. Do you know that we have a small but active Chinese Community in Irvine. There is a Chinese Cultural Center where we can play Chinese Chess, Table Tennis, Chinese Painting, Chinese Library, Chinese Movies, Martial Art, teaching Chinese to the younger generation etc.?â€
Tseung: “It sounds great. I shall join.â€
Mr. L: “The Chinese Cultural Center is different from the Senior Center run by the City of Irvine. It was funded by some wealthy Chinese. The volunteers get paid in terms of meals, gas and restaurant vouchers etc. You can teach computer classes or run electronics workshops. They are always looking for enrichment activities for the younger generation. We also participate jointly in the other volunteer programs such as the coming thanksgiving meal give-away.â€
Tseung: “So the members are not just retired seniors.â€
Mr. L: “No. There are many young professionals and families. It is non-religious. It is a great place for the Chinese Community to help each other. Some of them are unemployed now. Some are new immigrates looking for opportunities. Many new immigrates have lots of money.â€
Tseung: “We were talking the other day about an average wealthy family in Hong Kong selling their property and could easily come with a few million US dollars. The price of property in Hong Kong is measured in thousands of dollars per square foot.â€
Mr. L: “Investing US$400 to do an experiment that may change the course of human history may appeal to many of them. I talked a little bit about bring-in energy and got good response. They want to know more.â€
Is this the path laid down by the Almighty? Let others participate and shine.
Significance of Sound Resonance
Some uninformed person may ask the question:
The fact that the sound produced by two or more tuning forks in sympathetic vibration is louder and lasts longer is fine. But what is its significance in overunity?
1. If sound energy can be increased more than the initial strike, energy must have come from the surrounding. Bring-in energy theory is confirmed
2. In order for the sound to be louder and lasts longer, the tuning forks must have the same frequency (resonance frequency).
3. There may be argument on the exact mechanism of how the energy is brought-in. My assumption is that the tuning fork acts like a pendulum and gravitational energy is brought-in.
4. If gravitational energy can be brought-in, we must be able to bring-in magnetic energy. We can control the strength and the direction of the magnetic field. We can even turn the magnetic field on and off.
5. Thus the many rotating or pulsing devices that claim to have more Output Energy than Input Energy are theoretically possible. Some kind of “resonance†is needed.
6. We know that LCR circuits can produce resonance. We know that a resonating transformer will have very destructive effects similar to a badly designed bridge that might collapse under destructive resonance. (Burnt out electronics).
7. The burning out of electronics has been observed by me and many others in our hunt for the best resonance conditions. It is a matter of correctly extracting the brought-in energy in near resonance situations.
8. One of the techniques may be that of Stan Meyer where the brought-in energy at near resonance is used to split water into oxygen and hydrogen. The LCR values may not change much and the process can be sustained.
9. One of the techniques may be the Pulsing Control of rotating wheels similar to the Tong Wheel. The frequency of the pulsing was well controlled and the brought-in energy was extracted continuously via the collector coils.
10. My present effort is focused on FLEET. The pulsing is via the Joule Thief Circuit and matching that with the various LCR circuits and the toroid. Such an approach is theoretically sound and in line with the understanding of sound resonance.
I believe strongly that the Almighty has given us the above understanding so that we can continue to experiment with confidence. Observer has contributed significantly with his many repeated posts on resonating the transformer. Let him and many others shine.
LT,
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 25, 2010, 09:36:18 AM
3. There may be argument on the exact mechanism of how the energy is brought-in.
My assumption is that the tuning fork acts like a pendulum and gravitational energy is brought-in.
What you are suggesting is that the tuning fork experiment will NOT work in Space (a gravity free environment).
I really don't think so... as long at there is air (~ density of air on earth) present to transfer energy, it should work in a spaceship.
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Imagine a -->
pendulum made out of a tuning fork.<---
There are 2 different animals of Natural (resonant) Frequencies right?
1. The Pendulum's -- Natural Frequency has to do with the Length of pendulum and the force of Gravity.
T = 2* pi *(sqrt(L/g)) You are probably right about gravity in this case.
2. The Tuning Fork's -- Natural Frequency has to with the Density and Dimensions of the Material it is made of.
It does not need gravity to vibrate.
If anything,
the extra energy that results in an
Intensification and Prolongation of Sound comes from the material that is resonating.
It's a Quantum Springlike Effect that never heard of Newton. My closest description as to how we see extra energy is this...
The phenomena that and interact with the surrounding environment
an object will store energy ------> at an amplitude of vibration
vibrationally at it's Natural Frequency, consistent with the energy stored.
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Best Regards on this Day of Thanks, ( that goes for XS, and Chris too )
The Observer
Just for the record, there is plenty of gravity in space, depending upon your position, unless you are in an orbit.
Bill
Happy Thanksgiving to you all from my new favorite place.
Pirate... Happy Day of Thanks,
I am still waiting for your assessment on the definition of sound resonance as it applies to my claim about the tuning forks.
QuotePirate,
Hope you got a chance to read my response to your prior on the last page.
To recap...
You said,
QuoteAlso doubt what you claim about the tuning forks.
I would like to see some experimental evidence on this.
Because IF what you claim is true, then one could have a single tuning fork, say in A, and have 10 million other forks...
My claim, for those just joining, is that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
I just wanted to know what the Dictionary's definition of Sound Resonance meant to you.
Your interpretation in layman's words, if you will.
I inquired,
Quote5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
What does Intensification and Prolongation of Sound ... mean to you?
Best Regards,
The Observer
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Thank you for sharing your GREAT PHOTOS Lawrence.
It is good to know you found a nice place to live.
Please keep sharing your FLEET thoughts.
.
Quote from: The Observer on November 25, 2010, 04:29:52 PM
5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
What does Intensification and Prolongation of Sound ... mean to you?
Best Regards,
The Observer
The question being asked should be: "What does 'acoustic resonance' mean to you?"
The above is a poor definition of "acoustic resonance" imo.
.99
Poynt,
You believe the Dictionary's definition of Sound Resonance is 'poor'. hmmm
Quote5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
I believe it is an 'excellent' definition of sound resonance as it applies to Sympathetic Vibrational Physics (SVP).
Because people are challenging my assertion
that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1, it is imperative to take close look at the definition
which reveals that I am not talking out of my ass.
The definition clearly supports my statement. ---> It means that there is More Energy.. <---
There are only 2 ways to measure if there is More Energy (wave amplitude and longevity of tone).
It wins on both counts.
Best Regards,
The Observer
The general steps in designing a lead-out or bring-in energy machine
1. A starting device.
2. A pulsing device
3. A resonance or near resonance setup to bring-in energy from the surrounding environment
4. An energy capturing device that is in close resonance with 3 so as to use the bring-in energy.
5. A feedback device so that some of the Output Energy is fed back to Input. Once that happens, we may recharge or even disconnect the starting device.
6. A control device to monitor and retune to match the external load.
I believe that the Almighty has given us the above general understanding so that many inventors can carry on their research with confidence. Let them shine.
Quote from: The Observer on November 26, 2010, 04:00:14 AM
Poynt,
You believe the Dictionary's definition of Sound Resonance is 'poor'. hmmm
I believe it is an 'excellent' definition of sound resonance as it applies to Sympathetic Vibrational Physics (SVP).
Because people are challenging my assertion
that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1,
it is imperative to take close look at the definition
which reveals that I am not talking out of my ass.
The definition clearly supports my statement. ---> It means that there is More Energy.. <---
There are only 2 ways to measure if there is More Energy (wave amplitude and longevity of tone).
It wins on both counts.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I'd be interested to read in your own words observer, what
your own definition of "acoustic resonance" is, why and how the dictionary definition that you found explains what it is, and
your explanation of precisely how and why "acoustic resonance" "intensifies and prolongs" sound.
While you're at it, why not provide your explanation for your statement that two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one, and what exactly the implications of that are....in your own words.
.99
Poynt,
On the very last page... last post on the page you will find what you have requested.
---> My attempt of describing why the 'tuning forks' do what they do. <---
It is highlighted in Yellow.
Quote from: The Observer on November 25, 2010, 12:17:31 PM
If anything,
the extra energy that results in an
Intensification and Prolongation of Sound
comes from the material that is resonating.
It's a Quantum Springlike Effect that never heard of Newton. My closest description as to how we see extra energy is this...
The phenomena that and interact with the surrounding environment
an object will store energy ------> at an amplitude of vibration
vibrationally at it's Natural Frequency, consistent with the energy stored.
That is my description, in my words... but I still agree with the Dictionary.
Best Regards,
The Observer
That doesn't really answer any of the questions that I posed, but that's ok. I'll be done posting here after this post.
Here is a definition of "acoustic resonance" that I would encourage you to "absorb":
QuoteAcoustic resonance is the tendency of an acoustic system to absorb more energy when it is forced or driven at a frequency that matches one of its own natural frequencies of vibration (its resonance frequency) than it does at other frequencies.
.99
Poynt,
You asked for a my definition of why 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
That is what is posted in Yellow.
Yes.. I forgot to mention that Feedback is one of the main reasons it rings Longer... sorry.
I do appreciate your definition,
however it fails to mention the amazing effect of Wave Energy Amplification
that results from the "absorbed energy".
A very common Physics Experiment is this...
1. You need a speaker emitting a tone.
2. You need a test tube whose level of water can be adjusted.
3. Adjust test tube til you hear the tone get louder.
A good definition of Sound Resonance should include mention of the effect this experiment aims to show.
Basically, your definition should say at least one thing about Sound.... which it does not.
Best Regards,
The Observer
who wants to make a wager with me?
I bet $1000 that this "lead out" energy is a load of hog wash, and isn't OU.
any takers?
Poit,
There is no such thing a Over-Unity.
There are, however, Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USEs).
Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. Why do you think that 2 tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1 ?
Why an Intensification and Prolongation of Sound?
How to improve the Pulsed Pendulum Toy to be an overunity device?
One question from the skeptics is: How would you improve the Pulsed Pendulum Toy so that it could bring-in enough energy to maintain the swinging motion even in the dark?
The theoretical solution is surprisingly simple.
1. We must operate the Pulsed Pendulum Toy at a high amplitude (swing) range. In the standard Pulsed Pendulum Toy, this range is the “loud striking noise†range in strong sunlight or lamp light. In this range, we know that there is sufficient energy to allow for feedback.
2. We must add a battery similar to the key ring solar flashlight to store this feed-back energy. The easiest technique is to keep recharging this battery so that it acts as a buffer or storage to smooth out any unexpected fluctuations.
3. The Pulsed Pendulum Toy is effectively pulsed by the battery. The battery is recharged both by the strong sunlight or the “loud striking noise range†energy.
4. In theory, if properly designed, the “loud striking noise range†energy is sufficient to recharge the battery. However, the use of the larger solar panel will provide additional safeguard to keep the battery fully charged most of the time and prolong the life of the Toy.
5. Remember the resonance condition. The swing must be pushed at the right time. In other words, the pulsing circuit must match the frequency of the pendulum. The energy extraction or feedback circuit should be on only when a large enough amount of bring-in energy is available. (Listen to the striking noise).
We did not try such an improvement because even in 2005, we knew that a pulsed rotating device would be much more efficient than a pulsed oscillating device. At the beginning, we thought that we could just work with Newman, Bedini, Liang or Wang and promote their pulsed rotational systems. That turned out to be much more difficult than we thought. We then tried to build a demonstration prototype of our own. In 2008, we found Mr. Tong Po Chi who helped us to build the Tong Wheel.
We displayed the Tong Wheel using meters to show that the Output Energy is larger than Input Energy in Inno Tech Design Expo 2009 at the Hong Kong Convention Center. That is a much better demonstration of a Bring-in Energy machine (but much more expensive) than the Pulsed Pendulum Toy.
We now have the FLEET prototypes that can conclusively demonstrate Output Energy is greater than Input Energy via the two oscilloscope set up. The material cost is less than US$3. I know that a number of teams in Hong Kong and China are improving them.
I am taking my time to improve it in USA. I still have not found an electronic store that can supply all the components needed in Irvine, California. There will be team building, instrument buying, contacting academics or research organizations etc. to keep me busy for the next few months. (Spending time at my new favorite place is of higher priority!)
May be this is the path directed by the Almighty. I should only focus on the theory and disclose the scientific principles and point out the experimental approaches. Let others build the actual prototypes and shine.
Quote from: Poit on November 28, 2010, 04:54:31 AM
who wants to make a wager with me?
I bet $1000 that this "lead out" energy is a load of hog wash, and isn't OU.
any takers?
Don't take this thread too seriously .99. This is after all some delusional 'lead-out' comedian show. Oh, there is this other observant dude who claims his tuning fork acts actually bring in energy from somewhere!
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
Why don't you talk science for once?
Please confirm or deny the following....
How would a person test to see if there was extra energy coming from 2 tuning forks as opposed to 1 ?
1. Measure the difference in Sound Wave Intensities (Volume).
2. Measure the difference in the Duration of Sound Waves (Length of Tone).
This is VERY simple physics.
If I can get you think about this, I am sure you will change your mind about my assertion.
---> If you don't agree with the highlighted statement, then tell me how a person would test for extra energy. <---
Best Regards,
The Observer
As I offered before: (I will edit the contents of the following quote for the purpose of clarity.)
How would a person measure the total energy from 1 tuning fork?
1. Measure and record the volume (simplified here. Google measuring sound energy) but measure and record it repeatedly and with high repetitions from the beginning of the fork sound to the fork silence. If you graph your data you will see a descending ramp of sound pressure.
How would a person measure the total energy from one or any number of entrained tuning forks?
1. Measure and record the volume (simplified here. Google measuring sound energy) but measure and record it repeatedly and with high repetitions from the beginning of the fork sound to the fork silence. If you graph your data you will see an oscillation of amplitude of sound pressure with the highest intensity source moving from fork to fork or group of forks.
Perceived "loudness" varies logarithmically with output power. Do not use your ears and a watch and assume there is more energy. You will be wrong.
If your total time is longer then your average volume is lower. If your average volume is higher then your total time will be shorter. If there are more sources of sound then you will perceive greater loudness.
This is very simple physics.
If I can get your thoughts around this, I am sure you will change your mind and remove 'Bring-In' from your theory title. There is no point in making it less plausible.
Regards,
BEP
well suppose it is true.
suppose two forks sound louder then one.
doesn't this mean that the extra sound from the second fork makes the first fork sound even louder?
And then the extra sound from the first fork makes the second fork sound even louder.
Looks like we have some sort of SOUND RUNAWAY here!!
I know one when i see one.
BEP,
I'm trying to interpret what you said.
I think you are saying that...
if it rings louder then the it rings shorter, or if it rings longer then it rings softer.
If so, all I can say is, Nope....
5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
Louder AND Longer
or
Intensification AND Prolongation.
An acoustic guitar rings 1000 times louder than an electric guitar. (the Acoustic Cavity AMPLIFIES the sound of the string)
A tube of air will amplify the sound from a speaker without affecting the speaker. (a very common physics experiment).
If you have an acoustic guitar.. just tune 2 stings to the same tone and do the experiment.
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XS,
What you are describing is called Feedback.. and is the reason the forks ring longer.
Remember that only a very small portion of the energy emitted from the forks ever encounter the other.
Best Regards
Quote from: The Observer on November 29, 2010, 08:53:44 AM
Chris,
...
This is VERY simple physics.
Best Regards,
The Observer
So simple you thoroughly confusing yourself. Take a break Mr. Observer, try to observe something you don't have to think so hard!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: The Observer on November 29, 2010, 12:58:23 PM
If so, all I can say is, Nope....
Observer,
The ultimate question is this: does the sound energy coming out of the tuning fork setup exceed the energy that was put in by the person striking the initial fork?
When you read definitions of resonance that talk about amplification of sound energy, you have to be aware of the context of the term "amplification." Yes, a sound box amplifies the sound that a listener hears. But it does so not through some kind of unexplainable energy increase. The amplification is merely a method to efficiently capture the energy from the struck forks and send it back out into the air for the listener to hear, rather than having much of the energy absorbed by the desk the tuning for is sitting on, for example.
So you need to get that difference straight in your mind. Just because a sound box makes a guitar louder, does not mean there is any energy amplification at all. It is just a situation of efficiently getting the sound to the listener's ears.
As far as your experiment, I would think that measuring the average volume and length of time that one tuning for rings versus two is a good start. Just be aware that the experiment may not be completely conclusive. I am no expert on transfer of sound energy, but there may be some slight efficiency gain in having two tuning forks ringing in resonance as opposed to one, so the sound may play slightly longer. Or there may actually be a decrease in efficiency, due to friction in air or what have you, and you may actually lose sound energy. But I think it is a good start.
Util,
Thanks for your input.
You said,
QuoteThe ultimate question is this:
does the sound energy coming out of the tuning fork setup exceed the energy that was put in by the person striking the initial fork?
A fraction of the energy from the Strike is actually stored in Fork. (According to MIT Professor)
A piezo buzzer attached to the fork would be a better substitute.
However, I am talking about amplification of SOUND Energy.
The second fork doesn't care if the sound is coming from a fork or a speaker.
It takes a little bit of energy.. stores it vibrationally, then vibrates at an amplitude consistent with energy stored. Then adds to the Amplitude of the sound wave it is interacting with. If the sound wave comes from a speaker, you will Not see a large prolongation because Feedback does not occur.
(the speaker has a low Q value, it won't store energy and vibrate on it's own)
You also said,
QuoteI would think that measuring the average volume and length of time that one tuning fork rings versus two is a good start.
Thankyou.
-----> That is definitely a logical and scientifically Sound way to answer the question. <----
The Dictionary's Definition does lead one to believe that both Volume and Length of Time are increased.
5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
You can't argue with that.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 29, 2010, 02:20:07 PM
5. Acoustics - Intensification and prolongation of sound, especially of a musical tone, produced by sympathetic vibration.
You can't argue with that.
The part about intensification and prolongation is undoubtedly true. But the same can be said of say a flashlight, which intensifies and elongates light in a single direction as opposed to letting it dissipate omnidirectionally like a light bulb. So don't read too much into that definition.
Quote from: The Observer on November 29, 2010, 12:58:23 PM
BEP,
I'm trying to interpret what you said.
I think you are saying that...
if it rings louder then the it rings shorter, or if it rings longer then it rings softer.
If so, all I can say is, Nope....
Yes, that is part of what I was saying.
Understand that loudness is not energy in sound. Loudness is a perception, only.
The forks can seem louder over a longer period of time while using less or more energy.
Amplification and gain have nothing to do with creating more energy.
The subject is difficult for most. I'll leave you to learn the reality.
haha ;D
i think stefan should pay these two guy's for the daily overunity soap opera.
Quote from: XS-NRG on November 30, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
haha ;D
i think stefan should pay these two guy's for the daily overunity soap opera.
Reality is that in an open forum, people with limited skill or knowledge suddenly discovers they can create their own 15 min. of fame through 'suggestions' or 'observations', without stringent proofs. It's like if they say it enough times, it must be correct and therefore accepted as Gospel!
Well, until the fat lady stops singing or in this case, Lawrence takes his medication, the show goes on!
cheers
chrisC
BEP,
You said,
QuoteUnderstand that loudness is not energy in sound. Loudness is a perception, only.
You might want to take a look at this equation which states
the Energy in a Sound Wave is directly proportional to it's Intensity (Loudness).
E=I/c
E= Energy
I= Intensity
c = speed of sound
You can learn about this here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_energy_density
Then you say,
QuoteAmplification and gain have nothing to do with creating more energy.
WTF.. Yes ??? I guess I can agree with that.
However, they do have to do with TESTING to see if more energy was created.
Amplification of a wave means...
taking a smaller wave and making it into a larger wave by way of adding energy. If you wonder if a Wave has been amplified, you TEST to see if that Wave has more energy.
IT DOES NOT GET ANY SIMPLER THAN THAT !!!!!!!
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Util,
You said,
QuoteBut the same can be said of say a flashlight,
which intensifies and elongates light in a single direction
as opposed to letting it dissipate omnidirectionally like a light bulb.
Hmm, First, you are not talking about anything that has to do with Sympathetic Vibrational Physics.
But anyways...
By which direction do you suppose the two tuning forks are focusing their sound???
All I can say is that the tuning forks 'dissipate omnidirectionally' too.
No matter where you are standing in the room, you will hear a louder and longer sound. There is no focusing, there is
1. The storing of energy in the second fork, which vibrates according to the energy it stored.
2. The second fork's waves constructively interfere with the first forks waves to amplifiy.
3. The second forks waves interact with the first fork to produce a FeedBack Effect.
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Best Regards, ( I really do appreciate your time on this. )
The Observer
when i strike a tunning fork, all piano's in the world ring 8)
The Conclusive Tuning Fork Experiments
@Observer,
I am sure that your statements related to the two tuning fork experiments are correct. Please continue to stand firm on your beliefs.
There is a good chance of getting a video from one or more of the manufacturers to demonstrate the much louder and longer sound produced by a roomful of tuning forks. I suggested to them that if that video were properly promoted, many academic institutions will buy many sets from them. I would not mind buying 4 sets myself.
The whole sale price has gone down to below US$10 per set and the minimum quantity has dropped from 40 sets to 20 sets. I told them I would be willing to pay US$100 for 4 sets if they can supply a video using 40 sets. I am waiting for the reply.
A Christian Member of the School Board in Irvine remarked: “If spending US$400 can help Irvine Schools to lead the World in solving the Energy Crisis, it will be a great bargain.†It will take him some time to persuade the other members. But that is not an impossible task.
By the way, the price of 1 set (1 tuning fork, 1 resonance box and 1 hammer) in a US music store is US$168! The price of 40 sets from China including shipping charges is around US$400. No wonder China and India have become the manufacturing centers of the World.
May be it is the direction pointed by the Almighty. Let the skeptics voice their disbelief in tuning forks at resonance bringing-in energy from the environment. When their voices are loud enough, the experimental proof will come. My 4 sets of tuning forks on resonance boxes will be scientific enough to demonstrate to UCI or MIT or Tsinghua Universities. I would regard that as US$100 well spent.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bruce almighty again.
Well have a good laugh on that one once again!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ltseung888 on November 30, 2010, 03:45:21 PM
The Conclusive Tuning Fork Experiments
@Observer,
I am sure that your statements related to the two tuning fork experiments are correct. Please continue to stand firm on your beliefs.
There is a good chance of getting a video from one or more of the manufacturers to demonstrate the much louder and longer sound produced by a roomful of tuning forks. I suggested to them that if that video were properly promoted, many academic institutions will buy many sets from them. I would not mind buying 4 sets myself.
The whole sale price has gone down to below US$10 per set and the minimum quantity has dropped from 40 sets to 20 sets. I told them I would be willing to pay US$100 for 4 sets if they can supply a video using 40 sets. I am waiting for the reply.
A Christian Member of the School Board in Irvine remarked: “If spending US$400 can help Irvine Schools to lead the World in solving the Energy Crisis, it will be a great bargain.†It will take him some time to persuade the other members. But that is not an impossible task.
By the way, the price of 1 set (1 tuning fork, 1 resonance box and 1 hammer) in a US music store is US$168! The price of 40 sets from China including shipping charges is around US$400. No wonder China and India have become the manufacturing centers of the World.
May be it is the direction pointed by the Almighty. Let the skeptics voice their disbelief in tuning forks at resonance bringing-in energy from the environment. When their voices are loud enough, the experimental proof will come. My 4 sets of tuning forks on resonance boxes will be scientific enough to demonstrate to UCI or MIT or Tsinghua Universities. I would regard that as US$100 well spent.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
LT,
Thankyou for your persistence on this matter.
I found another definition of Acoustic Resonance from the Medical Dictionary.
It clearly supports My Observation that Sound is Amplified by an Acoustic Cavity.
The prolongation and intensification of sound produced by transmission of its vibrations to a cavity.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, anyone who is wondering about this, and has an Acoustic Guitar laying around... can test this for themselves.
1. Tune the top 3 strings to an E (tone of top string).
a. If you are not that good at tuning, you can watch the string being tuned.
When it vibrates most, without being touched (while strumming the top string) it is in tune.
2. Strum top string (1st String) with other strings damped by your fingers.
a. Note volume and ring time.
3. Strum top string without damping any other strings.
a. Watch all strings Vibrate ! ( a simple demonstration of Sympathetic Vibration )
b. Note volume and ring time.
4. Repeat #2 and #3 over and over again until you realize that --->
the Dictionary's Definition is true. <---
For Reference...The Dictionary's Definition.
Quote5. Acoustics - Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially Musical Tone, Produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
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Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. About the Tuning Fork Company being able increase sales by exploiting this Amazing Phenomenon.
Brilliant.
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To complete the theory, I bought a water + air pump toy gun at the 99 market.
I am waiting for the four tuning forks on resonance boxes. The demonstration equipment includes:
1. Water+air toy gun
2. Solar Pendulum toy
3. Tuning forks on resonance boxes
4. Tong Wheel (Video)
5. FLEET
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 02, 2010, 02:23:43 AM
To complete the theory, I bought a water + air pump toy gun at the 99 market.
I am waiting for the four tuning forks on resonance boxes. The demonstration equipment
2. Solar Pendulum toy
I looked this Solar Pendulum toy every day for 4 years and ....
( I have many of them )
I never seen OU on this toy !!
is it possible to improve this toy ?
can you make a video with some proof ?
Quote from: tagor on December 02, 2010, 03:08:08 AM
can you make a video with some proof ?
I see you are new to Lawrence-think. There is no need for a scientific experiment measuring energy in versus energy out. The proof is already there. Here is how it goes.
1. Lawrence proposes lead out conjecture and concludes it cannot be wrong.
2. Lawrence notes that many people make overunity claims.
3. Lawrence concludes that all theoretical overunity devices use his theory, and because his theory cannot be wrong, all such devices are actually overunity.
4. Lawrence brands the solar pendulum an overunity device that uses his theory, and it is therefore overunity, just like all the "hundreds" of other overunity devices in the world.
You doubt this? Come on, with hundreds of other overunity devices, surely this is overunity also.
If you really want proof, Lawrence can take a photograph of random people standing next to the pendulum toy. Surely people would not pose with the device if it was not overunity.
Not convinced? Well, Lawrence can print out a Word document with measurements of energy in versus energy out and place it next to the toy, and have a gullible student read them out loud on video, clearly proving its overunity status. Will that convince you?
Did I mess up anywhere or is this about right?
Quote from: tagor on December 02, 2010, 03:08:08 AM
I looked this Solar Pendulum toy every day for 4 years and ....
( I have many of them )
I never seen OU on this toy !!
is it possible to improve this toy ?
can you make a video with some proof ?
Dear Tagor,
Please read reply 1304 on page 87.
Quote from: utilitarian on December 02, 2010, 05:51:04 AM
I see you are new to Lawrence-think. There is no need for a scientific experiment measuring energy in versus energy out. The proof is already there. Here is how it goes.
1. Lawrence proposes lead out conjecture and concludes it cannot be wrong.
2. Lawrence notes that many people make overunity claims.
3. Lawrence concludes that all theoretical overunity devices use his theory, and because his theory cannot be wrong, all such devices are actually overunity.
4. Lawrence brands the solar pendulum an overunity device that uses his theory, and it is therefore overunity, just like all the "hundreds" of other overunity devices in the world.
You doubt this? Come on, with hundreds of other overunity devices, surely this is overunity also.
If you really want proof, Lawrence can take a photograph of random people standing next to the pendulum toy. Surely people would not pose with the device if it was not overunity.
Not convinced? Well, Lawrence can print out a Word document with measurements of energy in versus energy out and place it next to the toy, and have a gullible student read them out loud on video, clearly proving its overunity status. Will that convince you?
Did I mess up anywhere or is this about right?
Dear utilitarian,
You missed the parts that:
1. I have nine working FLEET prototypes in my possession now. Eight were made in Hong Kong and one was made in USA.
2. A FLEET prototype that can light up a 108 LED Christmas tree is being demonstrated at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2010 in Hong Kong from Dec 2-4. Over 10,000 visitors will see it.
3. Two workshops have been held at Hong Kong University. One of the students, Felix, produced a FLEET prototype with Output Power greater than 10 watts and COP > 200 peak-to-peak. Hong Kong University under the guidance of Mr. Aaron Quant and Prof. Dennis Leung can “mass- produce†such demonstration prototypes.
4. Any top scientific institution with two oscilloscopes, a signal generator, a DC power supply, a data logger and trained staff can test the working prototypes either from myself or from Hong Kong University. The Institution is free to publish its independent findings.
5. You do not need to believe anything now. Just wait for the confirmations from HKU, UCI, MIT, Stanford, Tsinghua and other top Universities. But the simplest experiment is the Observer tuning fork resonance. If you are prepared to spend US$400, get 40 sets from China. Put them in a quiet room and strike one with the supplied hammer. Check whether the resulting sound is
louder and lasts longer. Scratch your head and ask where does the extra energy come from?
We are in a gravitational field. The Sun attracts the Earth; the Earth attracts the Moon; every object attracts every other object. In Physics, that attraction is called a
force. When any object moves, there will be a
displacement.
Work is done or Energy is exchanged. Work = Force x Displacement using vector arithmatic. There is plenty of gravitational energy for us to use. It is a matter of building a lead-out or bring-in energy machine to use such energy.
This is the simple God given truth. Someone pointed it out. That someone was Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in Dec. 2004.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 02, 2010, 08:29:35 AM
Dear utilitarian,
You missed the parts....
. Scratch your head and ask where does the extra energy come from?
...
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Obviously you scratched your head one too many times resulting in your inability to differentiate science from science fiction; rather in your case, truth from delusion! Perceived loudness is no measure of true energy transactions. Did you forget you needed to strike the tuning fork? That's not energy from air. Is it?
Obviously too that you've been brought up with Chairman Mao's principle in that if something is said enough times, people will accept it as truth. Well, Lawrence, Mao has been dead 30 years or so and you're now living in America. Something to think about.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 02, 2010, 08:29:35 AM
We are in a gravitational field. The Sun attracts the Earth; the Earth attracts the Moon; every object attracts every other object. In Physics, that attraction is called a force. When any object moves, there will be a displacement. Work is done or Energy is exchanged. Work = Force x Displacement using vector arithmatic.
You speak in half truths. Motion does not equate to work. Displacement results in work only if there is resistance along the displacement. For example, lifting a box off the ground is work, as one has to resist the force of gravity to do it, but the earth moving around the Sun results in nearly zero work done, as there is no friction in space. The only work done by the earth moving around the Sun is the friction of particles it encounters in space. And this work is paid for by the slight slowing of the earth's rotation around the sun.
Similarly, the motion of the moon around the earth produces the tidal energy that we can tap, but the cost of this is that the earth's spin around its axis and the moon's rotation around the earth are slowly becoming synchronized. The earth day is 2 hours longer than it was 600 million years ago as result of this.
Force is not energy. There is no such thing as gravitational energy. There is only the conservative force of gravity. You speak nonsense. And your concept of gravitational energy does indeed violate the conservation of energy principle, as gravity is never depleted, while things like energy from the sun will eventually be depleted, as soons as the Sun runs out of hydrogen fuel.
Am I wrong? If so, please tell us what source is being depleted though the use of gravitational energy? If nothing is being depleted, then your theory does indeed violate the principle of conservation of energy.
And you have been predicting the overunity devices in China to become available within "a few months" since you first posted in this forum.
One question, what happened to Wang Shum Ho's company and its many miracle overunity devices? You spent years talking about him and his wonderful inventions. Why is there nothing? This is all just so much bullshit, I can't stand it.
Quote from: utilitarian on December 02, 2010, 05:51:04 AM
I see you are new to Lawrence-think. There is no need for a scientific experiment measuring energy in versus energy out. The proof is already there. Here is how it goes.
1. Lawrence proposes lead out conjecture and concludes it cannot be wrong.
2. Lawrence notes that many people make overunity claims.
3. Lawrence concludes that all theoretical overunity devices use his theory, and because his theory cannot be wrong, all such devices are actually overunity.
4. Lawrence brands the solar pendulum an overunity device that uses his theory, and it is therefore overunity, just like all the "hundreds" of other overunity devices in the world.
You doubt this? Come on, with hundreds of other overunity devices, surely this is overunity also.
If you really want proof, Lawrence can take a photograph of random people standing next to the pendulum toy. Surely people would not pose with the device if it was not overunity.
Not convinced? Well, Lawrence can print out a Word document with measurements of energy in versus energy out and place it next to the toy, and have a gullible student read them out loud on video, clearly proving its overunity status. Will that convince you?
Did I mess up anywhere or is this about right?
OUCH!! Lawrence got spanked good! ;D
Santa Claus is going to bring me Overunity for Christmas... HowLOL! ;D
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 02, 2010, 07:55:54 AM
Dear Tagor,
Please read reply 1304 on page 87.
can you give me a real tip ?
with a real OU device ?
so a real self runner ?
I read your topic about "resonance" Did you confound acoustic resonance and LCR resonance, the Fleet work with LCR resonance or acoustic resonance !? ???
This is not the same thing, and sorry an air water pump gun does not create or Lead-Out anything when you pump the air and water in the toy, you Lead-Out only your human muscle... ;D
Util,
You said,
QuoteSimilarly, the motion of the moon around the earth produces the tidal energy that we can tap,
but the cost of this is that the earth's spin around its axis and the moon's rotation
around the earth are slowly becoming synchronized.
The earth day is 2 hours longer than it was 600 million years ago as result of this.
I appreciate your observation that tidal movement/energy comes from the spin of the earth. (I always thought gravity did it)
From the How do tides work website.
QuoteTides are caused by the gravitational pull of the Sun and Moon on the Earth's surface
However, given the immense volume and energy required to move all 7 seas,
it is hard to believe that it would take 600 million years to give up only two days of spin.
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Besides that...
How is the spin of the earth connected to the the moons gravitational link... that moves the oceans?
If I am confused about this.. (possible) can you point me to some info about a Satellites Gravity as it relates to Planetoid Spin?
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Plus that doesn't account for a known the physical fact
Moving mass from an interior location
to an exterior location
in a spinning sphere
slows rotation of said sphere.
Think Ice Skater and using extension of arms to slow down his/her spin.
Because we take have moved zillions of pounds of the earth to the surface and beyond (air),
it is very possible that earth is slowing due to this well understood effect.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on November 30, 2010, 12:07:54 PM
BEP,
You said,
You might want to take a look at this equation which states
the Energy in a Sound Wave is directly proportional to it's Intensity (Loudness).
E=I/c
E= Energy
I= Intensity
c = speed of sound
You can learn about this here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_energy_density
Then you say,WTF.. Yes ??? I guess I can agree with that.
However, they do have to do with TESTING to see if more energy was created.
Amplification of a wave means... taking a smaller wave and making it into a larger wave by way of adding energy.
If you wonder if a Wave has been amplified, you TEST to see if that Wave has more energy.
IT DOES NOT GET ANY SIMPLER THAN THAT !!!!!!!
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You are amazing. Regardless of what you spew you are not embarressed.
Loudness and intensity are not the same thing. It is only a psychological correlate (perception) of strength. I can see why you don't understand. The issue is psychological.
You like to use Wiki. Here is some more Wiki:
Loudness, a subjective measure, is often confused with objective measures of sound strength such as sound pressure, sound pressure level (in decibels), sound intensity or sound power.
Amplification IS NOT an increasing energy. Amplification is a larger energy being controlled by another energy.
Gain is the ratio of the control energy amount and the controlled energy amount.
Please don't bother quoting another Wiki entry. Most of Wiki is simply there to aid reasonable people with diluted information for easy consumption.
Many Wiki entries are written to propagate an unproven or completely false concept.
Wiki didn't exist when I started to use the measurement of sound professionally. They still aren't correct on a few sound related articles.
I hope you reach reality before you spend too much money on tuning forks and hammers.
Quote from: The Observer on December 03, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
Besides that...
How is the spin of the earth connected to the the moons gravitational link... that moves the oceans?
If I am confused about this.. (possible) can you point me to some info about a Satellites Gravity as it relates to Planetoid Spin?
Think of it as a form of friction. As the earth spins and the moon rotates around it, water is pulled toward wherever the moon is. The natural end result of this is that eventually, the moon's rotation will match the earth's spin.
Since you like the wikipedia, here is somethin from it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration)
"Daily, monthly and seasonal cycles can be found in the deposits. This geological record is consistent with these conditions 620 million years ago: the day was 21.9±0.4 hours"
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 03, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
I read your topic about "resonance" Did you confound acoustic resonance and LCR resonance, the Fleet work with LCR resonance or acoustic resonance !? ???
This is not the same thing, and sorry an air water pump gun does not create or Lead-Out anything when you pump the air and water in the toy, you Lead-Out only your human muscle... ;D
Dear SchubertReijiMaigo,
An object can have multiple resonance frequencies. We found that we could lead-out or bring-in energy at a very low frequency - in the 300-600 Hz range. We could also lead-out or bring-in energy at a relatively high frequency - in the range of 600-800 KHz. We believe one is related to the dimension of the toroid and its windings. One may be related to the properties of the ferrite. You can check this if you have a signal generator and an oscilloscope.
The air+water jet technology is already well established. China is using it in the transportation of water from the South to the North. Please study the formula - Energy of Air In (Ein) = Pressure In x Volume In. The difference between Ein-Eout is the bring-in energy due to Still Air.
The common air+water jet used to clean streets also uses this technology.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 03, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
... The difference between Ein-Eout is the bring-in energy due to Still Air.
Haha... you really are a CLOWN!
A delusional clown.
cheers
chrisC
The Strengths in your Character will bring you Serenity
The above was from the Fortune Cookie when I finished a nice Chinese Meal in a local Chinese Restaurant in Irvine.
I brought the toy and the FLEET information to the Senior Center. Prof. T was not there. There was a large group singing Happy Birthday songs for those born in the month of December. The ages ranged from the low 60s to 96. A 78 old man was addressed as “sonny†by an elder.
Most participants were optimistic. They did not mind going to see their Maker any time. The mood was â€" have fun and be merry. Indulge a little bit. The 85 year young lady sitting next to me had a second helping of the birthday cake!
The Computer Lab was well set-up and maintained. The annual fee was US$17 and one gets US$1.00 worth of printing every day.
The lunch was free as it was sponsored by some wealthy individuals or companies. One can really get free lunch!
Will such a setting help to promote lead-out or bring-in energy?
Quote from: chrisC on December 03, 2010, 07:54:12 PM
Haha... you really are a CLOWN!
A delusional clown.
cheers
chrisC
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D ;D ;D
CLOWN HAHAHAHAHA you nailed it Chris ;D
Steven Mark WANNABE CLOWN!!!!
Util,
Thanks for the info.
Yes, Wiki probably has false information.
But that does look like some well studied information.
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BEP,
You said,
QuoteLoudness and intensity are not the same thing.
OK, forget the word loud.
A second tuning fork Intensifies and Prolongs the sound emanating from a first tuning fork.You say,
Quote--> Amplification IS NOT an increasing energy. <---
Amplification is a larger energy being controlled by another energy.
Gain is the ratio of the control energy amount and the controlled energy amount.
The Dictionary says,
QuoteAmplification
--> An increase in the magnitude <-- or strength of an electric current, a force, or another physical quantity, such as a radio signal.
If you INTENSIFY a Sound Wave... you are 'increasing the magnitude or strength' of the Sound Wave.
E=I/c
E= Energy
I= Intensity
c = speed of sound
Fact --> The Energy of a Sound Wave is Directly proportional to it's Intensity.
If you make a Wave more Intense and Prolong it... you are adding energy to it.The Formula does not lie.
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Please consider the Common Physics Experiment below.
1. Speaker emits a Tone.
2. A microphone picks up the Intensity of the Tone. (this is recorded)
3. Test tube water level is adjusted until a 'Loud' Sound is heard. (observe Test tube Vibrating now)
4. Get another Intensity Reading from the Microphone.
5. Compare Intensities from #2 and #4.
6. Use above formula to calculate & compare the Energy Difference between #2's Wave and #4's Wave.
The Ratio of #4 / #2 is the Gain.
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Finally you say,
Quotehope you reach reality before you spend too much money on tuning forks and hammers.
I don't need to buy any tuning forks, my acoustic guitar has 7 of them.
I have done the experiment and it confirmed the assertion made by the Dictionary.
5. Acoustics - Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially Musical Tone, Produced by Sympathetic Vibration.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I do appreciate your time on this.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Nothing like having a good dream then the boogieman shows up turning it into a nightmare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)
i wonder if Tseung will take the time to scroll down on the page above to the section marked "Electrical power".....and.."Instantaneous electrical power"..and,,"Peak power and duty cycle" ??
if he does...maybe he might see the error of his ways
i remember a song which goes like "James brown is dead" it was a hit here in the early 90's.
i'm thinking about a reamix which goes like this:
"Lawrence Tseung is a Clown" tuu tuu tuu tuuduuduu tuu tuu
"Lawrence Tseung is a Clown"
Quote from: The Observer on December 04, 2010, 08:23:02 AM
A second tuning fork Intensifies and Prolongs the sound emanating from a first tuning fork.
You say,
The Dictionary says,
If you INTENSIFY a Sound Wave... you are 'increasing the magnitude or strength' of the Sound Wave.
E=I/c
E= Energy
I= Intensity
c = speed of sound
Fact --> The Energy of a Sound Wave is Directly proportional to it's Intensity.
If you make a Wave more Intense and Prolong it... you are adding energy to it.
The Formula does not lie.
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Please consider the Common Physics Experiment below.
1. Speaker emits a Tone.
2. A microphone picks up the Intensity of the Tone. (this is recorded)
3. Test tube water level is adjusted until a 'Loud' Sound is heard. (observe Test tube Vibrating now)
4. Get another Intensity Reading from the Microphone.
5. Compare Intensities from #2 and #4.
6. Use above formula to calculate & compare the Energy Difference between #2's Wave and #4's Wave.
The Ratio of #4 / #2 is the Gain.
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Finally you say,
I don't need to buy any tuning forks, my acoustic guitar has 7 of them.
I have done the experiment and it confirmed the assertion made by the Dictionary.
5. Acoustics - Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially Musical Tone, Produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
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I do appreciate your time on this.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Sound intensity is defined as: The sound power per unit area.
A microphone does not measure sound intensity, rather it measures sound pressure level, or SPL. This may make the energy test and calculation invalid. You need
sound pressure and
particle velocity to obtain
sound intensity.
I = p x v.
A higher SPL reading on the microphone does not mean that the particle velocity did not decrease, because you have not measured it. CoE implies that the particle velocity would decrease if SPL increased, in order to maintain the same energy.
Don't confuse resonance with a systemic gain in
energy, because it is not. What you are observing is a more efficient
transference of energy from one place to the other, and back again. This does not imply that WORK is being accomplished in the process, because it may not be. It depends on the "load" seen by the "system".
For example: The charge stored in one capacitor can be efficiently transferred to another capacitor of equal value via a low loss inductor, and this transfer can occur back and forth and be "prolonged" for quite some time, indefinitely if the inductor were completely lossless. However, if there are no losses or "loads", there is absolutely no work done in the process.
With two tuning forks, there is air resistance which is lossy (i.e. a load), and the fact that unless the tuning forks are separated exactly by a whole multiple of the wavelength, there will be destructive interference between them.
There is a whole lot more to this than you may realize, and you have not come forward with what your ultimate point is in all of this anyway? Surely, you are not implying that two tuning forks in resonance is a free energy device, or that free energy can be extracted from it somehow? ???
.99
ahh poynt...the sound of sensibilty :)
Quote from: rave154 on December 04, 2010, 09:33:53 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)
i wonder if Tseung will take the time to scroll down on the page above to the section marked "Electrical power".....and.."Instantaneous electrical power"..and,,"Peak power and duty cycle" ??
if he does...maybe he might see the error of his ways
Dear rave154,
Thank you for pointing to the definition in Wikipedia. I am reproducing the graph here.
There is absolutely no misunderstanding or error on my part. The instantaneous power is the product of the instantaneous voltage x the instantaneous current. The oscilloscope can display the instantaneous voltage form directly. It can also display the instantaneous current via the voltage across a 1 ohm resistor. Most oscilloscopes can also display their product to show the instantaneous power.
My understanding has no conflict with that defined in Wikipedia. Please check with any Physics or Electrical Engineering Professor at any top universities.
Prof. T is right: “Posting on the Internet is not equivalent to publishing in a scientific journal for vigorous peer review.â€
Posting on the Internet is to establish proof that the concept or theory was conceived on a certain date. Comments from non-qualified individuals are not important. But they help to establish the time frame. Disputes on who conceived the idea first will come sooner or later. Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory is absolutely correct. Will it be called Lee-Tseung, Newman, Bedini, Liang, Steven Mark, HKU, UCI, MIT or Nikola Tesla theory???
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
That is so WRONG
Quote from: poynt99 on December 04, 2010, 01:22:16 PM
Sound intensity is defined as: The sound power per unit area.
A microphone does not measure sound intensity, rather it measures sound pressure level, or SPL. This may make the energy test and calculation invalid. You need sound pressure and particle velocity to obtain sound intensity. I = p x v.
A higher SPL reading on the microphone does not mean that the particle velocity did not decrease, because you have not measured it. CoE implies that the particle velocity would decrease if SPL increased, in order to maintain the same energy.
Don't confuse resonance with a systemic gain in energy, because it is not. What you are observing is a more efficient transference of energy from one place to the other, and back again. This does not imply that WORK is being accomplished in the process, because it may not be. It depends on the "load" seen by the "system".
For example: The charge stored in one capacitor can be efficiently transferred to another capacitor of equal value via a low loss inductor, and this transfer can occur back and forth and be "prolonged" for quite some time, indefinitely if the inductor were completely lossless. However, if there are no losses or "loads", there is absolutely no work done in the process.
With two tuning forks, there is air resistance which is lossy (i.e. a load), and the fact that unless the tuning forks are separated exactly by a whole multiple of the wavelength, there will be destructive interference between them.
There is a whole lot more to this than you may realize, and you have not come forward with what your ultimate point is in all of this anyway? Surely, you are not implying that two tuning forks in resonance is a free energy device, or that free energy can be extracted from it somehow? ???
.99
Dear poynt99,
Let me help Observer to state his claim. The theory may later be named after him!
The Observer Hypothesis is: “There is Unrecognized Source Energy (USE) coming into play when two identical tuning forks are placed next to each other and only one is struck. The resulting sound is louder and lasts longer.â€The Tseung modification is: “At sympathetic vibration or resonance between two tuning forks, there will be lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding environment. The total energy of the two tuning fork system is larger than that supplied by striking the first tuning fork.â€
The bring-in energy is likely to be similar to that of the pulsed oscillating pendulum â€" gravity. The vibrating air will undoubtedly play a part as it is the medium to transmit the pulsing.
We can discuss and do experiments later. But this date (Dec 4, 2010) will be recorded as the definitive Observer Hypothesis establishment date.Any theoretician quoting the two tuning fork example having Unrecognized Source Energy (USE) will be too late. (The ones who discovered this before today may still be valid contestants.)
I may as well state the more general Tseung Hypothesis:
“In any resonance phenomenon, energy from the surrounding will be lead-out or brought-in into the system. With proper feedback, the amplitude of oscillation or vibration will show exponential increase. One can build bring-in energy machines using this phenomenon. Such machines will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.â€Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 04, 2010, 06:54:00 PM
Dear poynt99,
...
We can discuss and do experiments later. But this date (Dec 4, 2010) will be recorded as the definitive Observer Hypothesis establishment date.
..
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Well, either the rest of the learned people on this forum are complete idiots and you're God's gift to the world, or you're simply completely idiotic and delusional, down to your bones! One clown is bad enough, we don't need two!
cheers
chrisC
;D
For those interested in the Wang Shen He technology, please email him directly.
wshsdfm200808@126.com
For those who like to make jokes, please continue. Life is dull without the insults and jokes. It also helps to scare away the other potential competitors.
OMG that photo !!!! lolololol
interesting how, when needing help with a circuit or whatever, then hes alll " were all one & should help each other in the spirit of mankind" etc etc...
but his last post he refers to them as "competitors" ;)
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 04, 2010, 09:37:55 PM
...
For those who like to make jokes, please continue. Life is dull without the insults and jokes. It also helps to scare away the other potential competitors.
@ Tseung
Hahaha. You are only competing with your own delusions.
Have you see the movie -
One flew over the cuckoo's nest?
Jack Nicholson was the only one that had to be locked up; the other inmates were really free to go but they chose to stay in the establishment.
You are locked in your own delusions. This is no joke. Please see a doctor before Christmas!
cheers
chrisC
Poynt,
You said,
QuoteSurely, you are not implying that two tuning forks in resonance is a free energy device,
or that free energy can be extracted from it somehow? ???
Yep, that's more or less what I'm saying.
Years of Playing Guitar led me to ask ---> why an Acoustic Guitar was 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar ? <---
I then theorized that resonating a common Transformer
would be interesting,
based on this Observation... Turns out I was right.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 04, 2010, 09:37:55 PM
For those who like to make jokes, please continue. Life is dull without the insults and jokes. It also helps to scare away the other potential competitors.
THe biggest Joke is you fool.
Quote from: The Observer on December 05, 2010, 03:05:07 AM
Poynt,
You said,
Yep, that's more or less what I'm saying.
Years of Playing Guitar led me to ask ---> why an Acoustic Guitar was 1000 times louder than an Electric Guitar ? <---
I then theorized that resonating a common Transformer
would be interesting,
based on this Observation... Turns out I was right.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I have played guitar for years and it is no mystery why an acoustic sounds louder than an electric. "ION" at OUR forum has also played for many years, and he has a great deal of electronics experience. I'm fairly confident he would agree that there is no FE with either an acoustic guitar or a resonating transformer, and ION is an expert in that are of electronics.
However, the bottom line is this:
Let's see the device and measurements proving your assertions.
.99
This is from Wiki, so take it with caution, however I believe it to be correct. He speaks of an acoustic guitar's loudness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_guitar
QuoteNo amplification actually occurs in this process, in the sense that no energy is externally added to increase the loudness of the sound (as would be the case with an electronic amplifier). All the energy is provided by the plucking of the string. The function of the entire acoustic system is to maximize intensity of sound, but since total energy remains constant, this comes at the expense of decay time. An unamplified guitar (one with no soundboard at all) would have a low volume, but the strings would vibrate much longer, like a tuning fork. This is because a damped harmonic oscillator decays exponentially, with a mean life inversely proportional to the damping, i.e. the more the volume is increased by the soundboard, the shorter the resulting sound will last.
.99
I thought this was all familiar ::)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7810.msg192856#msg192856
It's been over a year...still no OU guitar? :P
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on December 05, 2010, 08:54:52 AM
This is from Wiki, so take it with caution, however I believe it to be correct. He speaks of an acoustic guitar's loudness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_guitar
.99
Am I right in this thinking?
If you strum a string with a standardised device, possibly the Gismo of Godley
and Creme (a sort of rotating toothbrush giving a standard strumming action),
a dobro (national) guitar is sound loudest, followed by a dreadnought type
acoustic, then the standard acouostic and finally the sold guitar which will
sound the least.
Since the energy input is the same, and the sound energy out varies, what
happens to the difference?
Does it just heat up the material of the instrument?
Resonance
The Tseung Hypothesis: “In any resonance phenomenon, energy from the surrounding will be lead-out or brought-in into the system. With proper feedback, the amplitude of oscillation or vibration will show exponential increase. One can build bring-in energy machines using this phenomenon. Such machines will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.â€
In the Tong Wheel, we tuned for resonance via
1. Varying the number of pulse and collector coils. If we configured more coils as Pulse Coils, we effectively increased the Pulse Force on the rotor wheel. If we configured more coils as Collector Coils, we effectively drained out more energy to power the load (resistor, three 5 watt lamps and feedback to recharge battery).
2. Varying the position of the sensor. This effectively controlled when the Pulse would start and/or stop.
3. The overunity result was obtained after playing with the two above features. It could be thought of as “resonance tuningâ€. Note that not all configurations produced overunity.
In the Joule Thief FLEET, we tuned for resonance via
1. Selecting the toroid. The toroid could be air core or ferrite core. The size could vary from 1 inch diameter to 15 inches.
2. Performed the Joule Thief winding. Added the transformer type winding in one or more layers.
3. Selecting the transistor (e.g. 2N2222) and varying the capacitor and resistor values associated with the primary circuit.
4. Putting a LCR load at the transformer winding (treating that as a secondary). Varying the Inductor, Capacitor and Resistor values.
5. Monitoring the Instantaneous Input Power and the Instantaneous Output Power curves via two oscilloscopes. These curves would show overunity effects clearly.
6. Recording the overunity results on data loggers or send them to computer for detailed analysis.
The two above experimental results can be reproduced. I have NINE working FLEET prototypes in my possession. We now have both the theory and the experimental evidence. It is a matter of time before the lead-out or bring-in energy is accepted.
I believe that the Almighty has given us the true understanding of resonance. External energy is brought-in into the system at resonance!
@Observer
Stick to your guns related to the tuning forks. We may only need to spend US$200 and have 20 sets resonating together. You can show a video or picture of your acoustic guitar first. You are absolutely correct and the coming experiments will confirm your hypothesis.
The concept is that the total output energy is the same in all mentioned cases, the difference being the sound level and the duration of the sound. In each case, as the output sound level diminishes, the duration increases.
.99
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 05, 2010, 09:53:15 AM
.... It is a matter of time before the lead-out or bring-in energy is accepted.
...
Do you realize how long you've been proposing this Lead-Out (or now, Bring-In) CRAP? Common sense would have told you there is absolutely no merit to the nonsense you're postulating. But then common-sense is different for the sane and the insane....
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: poynt99 on December 05, 2010, 08:54:52 AM
This is from Wiki, so take it with caution, however I believe it to be correct. He speaks of an acoustic guitar's loudness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_guitar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_guitar)
.99
Darren:
I have played guitar for over 30 years and what you posted is what I always thought to be the case. Same as with the forks, the difference is time. Very good explanation.
Bill
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 04, 2010, 09:37:55 PM
For those who like to make jokes, please continue.
mkay ;D
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2010, 12:14:35 PM
Darren:
I have played guitar for over 30 years and what you posted is what I always thought to be the case. Same as with the forks, the difference is time. Very good explanation.
Bill
Thanks Bill.
I'm curious to see how "The Observer" will prove his overunity claim with an experiment and it's measurements. What he has described so far only reaffirms what we know about resonance, Helmholtz resonators, sounding boards, etc. His transformer experiment should quite clearly demonstrate ou...perhaps he'll show that?
.99
Dear All,
I'm glad to see the discussion.
I just have 1 question...
How would one test to see if a sound wave is being amplified?
When this is agreed upon, we can then move forward.
I suggest using a setup such as depicted below.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Would one of these help? http://cgi.ebay.com/New-7-Range-Sound-Level-Audio-Noise-Meter-Decible-DB-E2-/250732211291?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a60cdec5b
Less than $30 with shipping a real decibel meter.
Quote from: The Observer on December 05, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Dear All,
I'm glad to see the discussion.
I just have 1 question...
How would one test to see if a sound wave is being amplified?
When this is agreed upon, we can then move forward.
I suggest using a setup such as depicted below.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Despite ignoring all other suggestions, here is one more, if you will.
Take your depicted setup, and place a similar or identical speaker near the tube, or anywhere you can that produces the most excursion of the speaker diaphragm, or measured AC output. Use the AC being generated by this speaker and rectify the output to DC so that it can power the same source that is feeding your speaker amplifier. Then disconnect the DC source supplying this amplifier and see if it continues to run only on the energy sourced by your "resonant" pickup speaker.
Does that work for you?
.99
sorry, double-post
At the Church next to UCI
I attended the Church Service at University Drive, Irvine. That is next to the campus of UCI. It turned out to be less than 10 minutes drive from my home.
I happened to talk to Kelvin, a visiting lecturer in Computer Science after the service. Kelvin is special because he married a Chinese wife and has four boys. The youngest is finishing University in China and would like to be a Dentist in Hong Kong.
Kelvin is American but can speak Chinese fluently. He said that the big incentive to learn Chinese was to date his wife 30 years ago. He continued that effort after marriage. There were objections to his marriage from his family and friends but he insisted and persevered. Now he enjoys his 30 years happy family life.
He said, “If you believe in something, go for it. The obstacles may seem large but they are never too big to block your path completely. You believe in Lead-out energy, go for it. UCI is just around the corner. Some professors may not see you. But there will always be exceptions. God works miracles but you must believe in Him.â€
How can the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory fail if God is behind it?
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 05, 2010, 05:57:44 PM
How can the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory fail if God is behind it?
Where has god been all those years?
Your theory seems to be stuck.
I think your god is on vaccation.
poynt,
they will never test or even consider your idea because according to them, adding external factors "spoils the resonance"
this sounds remarkably similar to the so called psycics who cannot perform under lab-conditions because they say that the scientists are "blocking the energy"
Sounds like the Heisenberg uncertainty principal....if you observe what is going on, you alter the experiment.
Bill
I've offered one telltale test that incorporates his suggested apparatus, yet no response ??? Perhaps he may comment as to what he dislikes about it?
The Observer is perhaps waiting for someone to offer up a much more palatable (to him) test, more conducive to simply measuring sound level A and comparing it to sound level B...something that is sure to be easy to demonstrate yet appear quite convincing.
But then, I am speculating. I'm sure he'll be back soon ;)
.99
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Sounds like the Heisenberg uncertainty principal....if you observe what is going on, you alter the experiment.
Bill
;D
We're not picking on you Observer. :)
I think we are all just interested in "observing" how you are going to prove your claim.
Cheers,
.99
The conclusive resonance experiments on tuning forks?
Dear Observer,
It looks like we have a good chance of raising US$200 and getting 20 sets of tuning forks from China. Each set will have one tuning fork, one resonance box and one hammer.
Can you please help to define and co-ordinate what type of experiments should be done?
Some of my suggestions include:
1. Use one tuning fork, record the loudness and duration of the sound with a video camera placed at a fixed distance from the tuning fork (e.g. 1 meter). Repeat multiple times to average out the differences in striking force.
2. Repeat step 1 with two tuning forks. Vary the distance between the two tuning forks and the orientation of the resonance boxes to get the best result. Keep the distance of the first tuning fork to the video camera constant (e.g. 1 meter).
3. Repeat step 2 with 3, 4, 5……20 tuning forks. Keep the distance of the first tuning fork to the video camera constant (e.g. 1 meter).
4. Replace the video camera with a microphone with output connected to an oscilloscope. Repeat steps 1-3. The oscilloscope readings can be recorded and captured on a computer for accurate analysis.
@Observer, please take the lead in defining the actual experiments. I shall take responsibility in raising the US$200 and getting the 20 sets from China to USA. They can even be shipped to an agreed reputable University or Research Organization. Make sure the experiments are repeatable. Thank you.
My experimental goal is to confirm that more energy is brought-in such that more tuning forks at sympathetic vibrations show much louder and longer sound. The sound energy or intensity (or whatever makes scientific sense) at a fixed location from the first tuning fork can be conclusively shown to be higher.
All other forum members, especially poynt99 are welcome to provide constructive suggestions on such a scientific experiment. Thank you.
I believe that the Almighty is guiding us to do the right thing on these sound resonance experiments.
Dear all,
Thanks for your time on this.
I am only signing on once per day... Sorry.
I don't have time to worry about this during the day or get all worked up before bed.
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Poynt,
You said,
QuoteTake your depicted setup, and place a similar or identical speaker near the tube,
or anywhere you can that produces the most excursion of the speaker diaphragm, or measured AC output.
Use the AC being generated by this speaker and rectify the output to DC
so that it can power the same source that is feeding your speaker amplifier.
Then disconnect the DC source supplying this amplifier and see if it continues to run
only on the energy sourced by your "resonant" pickup speaker.
---> The question is to see if sound is being amplified...<--- not to make a self running device.
However, I think your idea is a good start to a level 3 or level 4 experiment having to do with this phenomena.
It is important to realize that the tube uses only a SMALL PORTION of the wave energy emanating from the speaker.
This small portion of wave energy is what gets amplified.
One logical way of seeing if a wave is amplified comes to mind.
How bout comparing input wave vs. output wave ? E2Matrix suggested a purchasing a Decibel Meter... good idea !
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LT,
1. My advice is to trust the Dictionary's Definition and get on with resonating multiple ignition coils from a JT setup.
- The naysayers will figure out the conundrum of sympathetic vibration when they are ready.
2. I do understand putting together some simple and undeniable demonstrations is important to you.
- E2Matrix's suggestion about buying a Decibel Meter is a great idea for demonstrating amplification.
3. If doing the tuning fork experiment, then just compare Decibel Reading vs. Time of Ring for each possibility.
- Remember that the Sound dBs are used to describe relationships of POWER.
- To find Power Ratio use the formula... L
Db = 10log
10(P2/P1)
4. No money for tuning forks?
a. Go to the local Guitar Store.
b. Use Charm to convince operator to put the same strings on an Electric Guitar as there is on an Acoustic Guitar.
c. Tune Both Guitars.
d. Compare 1 hard strum... Electric vs. Acoustic with Decibel Meter and Stop Watch.
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Best Regards,
The Observer
Why bother?
This thread is wasted with and without you.
Better seek some REAL project in stead of playing with resonance.
The American Dream or Nightmare
Phone call from an old school mate who immigrated to USA about 12 years ago. At that time, he sold his house and business. He had over US$1 million cash. He took early retirement.
Friend: “I learned that you came to retire in USA from our other school friends. We have not met for over 12 years now.â€
Tseung: “The last time we met was when you immigrated to USA. How do you find your retired life in USA?â€
Friend: “It is turning into a nightmare. You know that I have eight children and most of them are not doing well. Instead of their helping to support me, I have to support them with my diminishing assets.â€
Tseung: “From what I can gather, they all have nice homes and two cars. They all graduated from Universities. Some of them have children of their own. You should be a proud grandfather.â€
Friend: “That was on the outside. The down payment for their homes all came from my assets. I had to remortgage my home. At first, I thought that I paid for my home totally and still had plenty of money in the bank. The interest alone would support my daily expenses. Unfortunately, the bank interests were so low that such a plan was voided.â€
Tseung: “Your children are all University graduates. They should all have good jobs.â€
Friend: “It was my fault. I spoiled the first one. When he graduated, I paid for the down payment of his home and the total amount of his car. His house was bigger and more expensive than mine. The feeling at that time was that the property will appreciate in value and his income would increase rapidly.â€
Tseung: “That was a realistic assumption. What happened?â€
Friend: “He got married and had two girls. His wife could not work. His income as a computer programmer was insufficient to support the mortgage and other expenses. He decided to go into Fast Food Franchise business. He remortgaged (or borrowed to the highest possible limit). The Fast Food business is earning less than his computer job. The income is not sufficient to pay the refinanced mortgage. I have to subsidize him every month.â€
Tseung: “How about the other children?â€
Friend: “I made the mistake of trying to be fair. I paid for their home payments and bought each one a car. Some of the houses were bought at the peak price. They are now at negative worth. Two defaulted and their homes were repossessed by the bank. They went into Amway type of business and are living with their in-laws or at the homes of other brothers and sisters.â€
Tseung: “I believe one of your sons is a medical doctor. He should be relatively well off. The medical profession is recession proof.â€
Friend: “He broke our hearts. We were so proud of him. He married a beauty queen. He had a luxurious mansion, a Yacht and a fleet of sports cars. We thought that he could singlehandedly support the whole family. But it turned out that he was associated with the drug lords. He was laundering money and helping them with the drug business. He is in prison and all his possessions are gone. It was the temptation of the evil money.â€
Tseung: “Your American Dream has turned into a Nightmare. Pray and turn it around. God works miracles.â€
How to revive the American Dream
At one time, the American Dream was founded on the strength its scientific progress.
USA modernized its farming industry. Now less than 1% of farmers can support the hungry mouths of the entire nation.
At one time, the manufacturing strength was second to none. Cars, Planes, Electrical Appliances dominated the World Market. The highways and airports are the envy of the World.
Even now, the Computer Industry and Internet is dominated by American ingenuity. Yahoo, Youtube, Google and Facebook created many young millionaires.
Can America dominate once again in the lead-out or bring-in energy field???
Has America lost its edge in scientific progress???
Has America degraded to naysayers and insulters???
Lawrence, Thank you for sharing that conversation with your friend.
That is very interesting to read because it is a real life situation that probably thousands of familes have been through in this bad economy.
Thanks again & have a great week.
.
Quote from: The Observer on December 06, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
Poynt,
You said,
---> The question is to see if sound is being amplified...<--- not to make a self running device.
However, I think your idea is a good start to a level 3 or level 4 experiment having to do with this phenomena.
It is important to realize that the tube uses only a SMALL PORTION of the wave energy emanating from the speaker.
This small portion of wave energy is what gets amplified.
One logical way of seeing if a wave is amplified comes to mind.
How bout comparing input wave vs. output wave ?
E2Matrix suggested a purchasing a Decibel Meter... good idea !
Best Regards,
The Observer
Let me try and save everyone some time.
You will encounter a perceived increase in sound level with your experiment. You may also see an increase on the SPL meter. So the sound at this frequency will indeed appear to be amplified. I think this was a forgone conclusion by most, but anyhow, what do you conclude from this Observer? Here is a hint ;): When you blow over an empty coke bottle, and are able to "find" the right frequency and make the bottle resonate with a loud tone, you started out with only a very quiet sound of air passing over the hole. Was the sound amplified?
Acoustic vs. Electric GuitarsYour acoustic guitar is louder than your electric, because the acoustic is far more
efficient at converting the mechanical vibration of the strings, to sound pressure waves in the air. There is nothing mysterious about that I trust?
With the same energy imparted to the strings in both cases, the acoustic will sound louder because it
converts more of it's input energy to sound pressure waves. This is mainly due to the flexible nature of the sound board, the presence of the resonant cavity, and the Helmholtz Resonator nature of the sound hole. On the other hand, the strings on the electric will vibrate for much longer than those on the acoustic, because more of the energy remains in the strings which sustains the standing wave that was set up in them. Tested properly, this will hold true. It's important to note that the pickups on the electric must be removed for this test to be valid, because the magnetic pull in them heavily damps the string vibration. An amplified piezoelectric microphone could be placed on the electric's body to aid in this test.
On Conversion and EfficiencyThe creation of sound is all about converting some source of input energy to sound pressure waves. A classic example is that of an electrical input being converted to the mechanical movement of a loudspeaker. The loudspeaker diaphragm converts this mechanical oscillating movement to longitudinal sound pressure waves in the air.
The acoustic guitar, albeit not thought of as such, is also an energy converter. The energy of a mechanically-plucked string and its ensuing vibration, is also partially converted to sound pressure waves in the air.
Neither "converter" is 100% efficient at doing its job. Often, efficiency diminishes sound "quality" or bandwidth. Resonators are very efficient converters, especially if they are made with high "quality" (Q) factors. However, they sacrifice bandwidth for efficiency. It would seem you can not have the best of both worlds. Resonators are very good at working with single or narrow band frequencies. Such is the case with loudspeaker bass reflex (tuned port) systems. (
Note: I recommend you study bass reflex design and how Helmholtz resonators are used to amplify OR absorb acoustic energy at specific frequencies, if you are not already familiar with it. It is quite relevant to this discussion and your notion that these resonant "systems" are free energy.)
Tuning ForksA tuning fork is a type of resonator. It works well at a single frequency. By the very nature of its construction however, it is a poor energy converter in terms of converting mechanical vibration to sound pressure waves. It is analogous to the electric guitar example.
Hint: If you can not hear a tuning fork very well, place the "tail" on a wood surface, or even on your skull, they both make fairly good transducers. :P
Two identical tuning forks in sympathetic vibration make each other more efficient at converting their combined mechanical vibrations to sound. A single tuning fork alone creates very little by way of sound pressure waves, and some of the fork's energy is dissipated in internal torsional losses and frictional heat from the air resistance. With a pair of forks placed in the proper mutual plane, they can convert some of that lost frictional energy to sound pressure waves, increasing the overall sound pressure level.
When the first tuning fork is struck, its tines vibrate and create an undulating pressure zone between it and the adjacent tuning fork. These pressure waves are what imparts energy to the second set of tines, and results in 4 tines vibrating vs. two. Sound intensity is increased. Now, imagine this pressure zone between the two inside tines of each fork. The tines co-vibrate due to mutual excitation, but in doing so, they offer more "impedance" to movement (due to the pressure zone) compared to if they were freely oscillating alone. This causes the 4 tines to vibrate for less time than two would in isolation.
As with the acoustic guitar, the result is a louder sound, but for less time. The total energy output is equal to the energy input. The output energy can take several forms, depending on the construction of the "converting" device. Overall, no total
energy is gained in the system, even though a perceived amplification may have occurred.
The TestWhy not cut to the chase and create a self-running device?
Actually, I rarely do this, but my proposed test was intentionally flawed. It was a test of your knowledge in a way. I didn't see the correct response however. :( Do you know why the test is flawed?
Hint: read the above. ::)
.99
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 06, 2010, 07:27:21 PM
How to revive the American Dream
At one time, the American Dream was founded on the strength its scientific progress.
USA modernized its farming industry. Now less than 1% of farmers can support the hungry mouths of the entire nation.
At one time, the manufacturing strength was second to none. Cars, Planes, Electrical Appliances dominated the World Market. The highways and airports are the envy of the World.
Even now, the Computer Industry and Internet is dominated by American ingenuity. Yahoo, Youtube, Google and Facebook created many young millionaires.
Can America dominate once again in the lead-out or bring-in energy field???
Has America lost its edge in scientific progress???
Has America degraded to naysayers and insulters???
You poor sick man... do you read what you post?...
Quote from: poynt99 on December 06, 2010, 09:55:32 PM
Let me try and save everyone some time.
You will encounter a perceived increase in sound level with your experiment. You may also see an increase on the SPL meter. So the sound at this frequency will indeed appear to be amplified. I think this was a forgone conclusion by most, but anyhow, what do you conclude from this Observer? Here is a hint ;) : When you blow over an empty coke bottle, and are able to "find" the right frequency and make the bottle resonate with a loud tone, you started out with only a very quiet sound of air passing over the hole. Was the sound amplified?
Acoustic vs. Electric Guitars
Your acoustic guitar is louder than your electric, because the acoustic is far more efficient at converting the mechanical vibration of the strings, to sound pressure waves in the air. There is nothing mysterious about that I trust?
With the same energy imparted to the strings in both cases, the acoustic will sound louder because it converts more of it's input energy to sound pressure waves. This is mainly due to the flexible nature of the sound board, the presence of the resonant cavity, and the Helmholtz Resonator nature of the sound hole. On the other hand, the strings on the electric will vibrate for much longer than those on the acoustic, because more of the energy remains in the strings which sustains the standing wave that was set up in them. Tested properly, this will hold true. It's important to note that the pickups on the electric must be removed for this test to be valid, because the magnetic pull in them heavily damps the string vibration. An amplified piezoelectric microphone could be placed on the electric's body to aid in this test.
On Conversion and Efficiency
The creation of sound is all about converting some source of input energy to sound pressure waves. A classic example is that of an electrical input being converted to the mechanical movement of a loudspeaker. The loudspeaker diaphragm converts this mechanical oscillating movement to longitudinal sound pressure waves in the air.
The acoustic guitar, albeit not thought of as such, is also an energy converter. The energy of a mechanically-plucked string and its ensuing vibration, is also partially converted to sound pressure waves in the air.
Neither "converter" is 100% efficient at doing its job. Often, efficiency diminishes sound "quality" or bandwidth. Resonators are very efficient converters, especially if they are made with high "quality" (Q) factors. However, they sacrifice bandwidth for efficiency. It would seem you can not have the best of both worlds. Resonators are very good at working with single or narrow band frequencies. Such is the case with loudspeaker bass reflex (tuned port) systems. (Note: I recommend you study bass reflex design and how Helmholtz resonators are used to amplify OR absorb acoustic energy at specific frequencies, if you are not already familiar with it. It is quite relevant to this discussion and your notion that these resonant "systems" are free energy.)
Tuning Forks
A tuning fork is a type of resonator. It works well at a single frequency. By the very nature of its construction however, it is a poor energy converter in terms of converting mechanical vibration to sound pressure waves. It is analogous to the electric guitar example. Hint: If you can not hear a tuning fork very well, place the "tail" on a wood surface, or even on your skull, they both make fairly good transducers. :P
Two identical tuning forks in sympathetic vibration make each other more efficient at converting their combined mechanical vibrations to sound. A single tuning fork alone creates very little by way of sound pressure waves, and some of the fork's energy is dissipated in internal torsional losses and frictional heat from the air resistance. With a pair of forks placed in the proper mutual plane, they can convert some of that lost frictional energy to sound pressure waves, increasing the overall sound pressure level.
When the first tuning fork is struck, its tines vibrate and create an undulating pressure zone between it and the adjacent tuning fork. These pressure waves are what imparts energy to the second set of tines, and results in 4 tines vibrating vs. two. Sound intensity is increased. Now, imagine this pressure zone between the two inside tines of each fork. The tines co-vibrate due to mutual excitation, but in doing so, they offer more "impedance" to movement (due to the pressure zone) compared to if they were freely oscillating alone. This causes the 4 tines to vibrate for less time than two would in isolation.
As with the acoustic guitar, the result is a louder sound, but for less time. The total energy output is equal to the energy input. The output energy can take several forms, depending on the construction of the "converting" device. Overall, no total energy is gained in the system, even though a perceived amplification may have occurred.
The Test
Why not cut to the chase and create a self-running device?
Actually, I rarely do this, but my proposed test was intentionally flawed. It was a test of your knowledge in a way. I didn't see the correct response however. :( Do you know why the test is flawed? Hint: read the above. ::)
.99
Darren:
Once again, this is possibly the most clear and concise explanation of these devices that I have ever seen. It all fits with what I thought I already "knew" but now I know why I know it. (If that makes any sense) Thank you.
And to the others, when someone explains known physics that has been proven through countless experiments and research, they are not a naysayer but an educator. This type of information can save many folks a lot of time and effort from rediscovering the wheel, as my late Father used to say. Is there something yet undiscovered about tuning forks and guitars? Possibly...even maybe but, so far, I have not seen that postulated yet.
And please, I do not intend this in any way to be demeaning to anyone here. It does not mean to quit searching for something new, not at all.
Bill
Quote from: poynt99 on December 06, 2010, 09:55:32 PM
Let me try and save everyone some time.
You will encounter a perceived increase in sound level with your experiment. You may also see an increase on the SPL meter. So the sound at this frequency will indeed appear to be amplified. I think this was a forgone conclusion by most, but anyhow, what do you conclude from this Observer? Here is a hint ;): When you blow over an empty coke bottle, and are able to "find" the right frequency and make the bottle resonate with a loud tone, you started out with only a very quiet sound of air passing over the hole. Was the sound amplified?
Acoustic vs. Electric Guitars
Your acoustic guitar is louder than your electric, because the acoustic is far more efficient at converting the mechanical vibration of the strings, to sound pressure waves in the air. There is nothing mysterious about that I trust?
With the same energy imparted to the strings in both cases, the acoustic will sound louder because it converts more of it's input energy to sound pressure waves. This is mainly due to the flexible nature of the sound board, the presence of the resonant cavity, and the Helmholtz Resonator nature of the sound hole. On the other hand, the strings on the electric will vibrate for much longer than those on the acoustic, because more of the energy remains in the strings which sustains the standing wave that was set up in them. Tested properly, this will hold true. It's important to note that the pickups on the electric must be removed for this test to be valid, because the magnetic pull in them heavily damps the string vibration. An amplified piezoelectric microphone could be placed on the electric's body to aid in this test.
On Conversion and Efficiency
The creation of sound is all about converting some source of input energy to sound pressure waves. A classic example is that of an electrical input being converted to the mechanical movement of a loudspeaker. The loudspeaker diaphragm converts this mechanical oscillating movement to longitudinal sound pressure waves in the air.
The acoustic guitar, albeit not thought of as such, is also an energy converter. The energy of a mechanically-plucked string and its ensuing vibration, is also partially converted to sound pressure waves in the air.
Neither "converter" is 100% efficient at doing its job. Often, efficiency diminishes sound "quality" or bandwidth. Resonators are very efficient converters, especially if they are made with high "quality" (Q) factors. However, they sacrifice bandwidth for efficiency. It would seem you can not have the best of both worlds. Resonators are very good at working with single or narrow band frequencies. Such is the case with loudspeaker bass reflex (tuned port) systems. (Note: I recommend you study bass reflex design and how Helmholtz resonators are used to amplify OR absorb acoustic energy at specific frequencies, if you are not already familiar with it. It is quite relevant to this discussion and your notion that these resonant "systems" are free energy.)
Tuning Forks
A tuning fork is a type of resonator. It works well at a single frequency. By the very nature of its construction however, it is a poor energy converter in terms of converting mechanical vibration to sound pressure waves. It is analogous to the electric guitar example. Hint: If you can not hear a tuning fork very well, place the "tail" on a wood surface, or even on your skull, they both make fairly good transducers. :P
Two identical tuning forks in sympathetic vibration make each other more efficient at converting their combined mechanical vibrations to sound. A single tuning fork alone creates very little by way of sound pressure waves, and some of the fork's energy is dissipated in internal torsional losses and frictional heat from the air resistance. With a pair of forks placed in the proper mutual plane, they can convert some of that lost frictional energy to sound pressure waves, increasing the overall sound pressure level.
When the first tuning fork is struck, its tines vibrate and create an undulating pressure zone between it and the adjacent tuning fork. These pressure waves are what imparts energy to the second set of tines, and results in 4 tines vibrating vs. two. Sound intensity is increased. Now, imagine this pressure zone between the two inside tines of each fork. The tines co-vibrate due to mutual excitation, but in doing so, they offer more "impedance" to movement (due to the pressure zone) compared to if they were freely oscillating alone. This causes the 4 tines to vibrate for less time than two would in isolation.
As with the acoustic guitar, the result is a louder sound, but for less time. The total energy output is equal to the energy input. The output energy can take several forms, depending on the construction of the "converting" device. Overall, no total energy is gained in the system, even though a perceived amplification may have occurred.
The Test
Why not cut to the chase and create a self-running device?
Actually, I rarely do this, but my proposed test was intentionally flawed. It was a test of your knowledge in a way. I didn't see the correct response however. :( Do you know why the test is flawed? Hint: read the above. ::)
.99
Well done .99. If these clowns understand Physics they will not go round in their merry-go-round arguments. Thanks for your efforts in trying to straighten out these crooked knots!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 06, 2010, 07:27:21 PM
How to revive the American Dream
...
Has America lost its edge in scientific progress???
Has America degraded to naysayers and insulters???
@Tseung
If I'm reading you correctly, you came back to live in this country that has 'lost it's edge in scientific progress'. I supposed you came back here so your daughter can 'support' you and you will depend on the generous U.S Government for Social Security benefits? Right? Do you have no shame?
Well, we think you should take the boat back to China or Hong Kong. There, you will find fame and fortune. In the U.S stringent proofs are needed to qualify as a real scientific contributor. Fortunately for this great country, we don't have too many clowns in our scientific establishment.
Maybe a lawyer like Obama can help you....
cheers
chrisC
You said it. I didn't.....
Quote from: The Observer on December 06, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
- Remember that the Sound dBs are used to describe relationships of POWER.
- To find Power Ratio use the formula... LDb = 10log10(P2/P1)
Which scale and time weighting will be used?
Never mind.... To understand weighting should be to understand what we've been saying all along.
Observer Experiment Modified and Simplified
@Observer,
I stared at your repeated diagram last night. I realized that I do not need to spend the US$200 and still get the conclusive result.
Your diagram is modified as shown. Instead of the speaker, I can use the tuning fork to excite (sympathetic vibrate) the adjustable tube. It is clear that at the correct resonance frequency, the sound produced by the tuning fork and the air in the tube will be much louder and lasts longer than that by the tuning fork alone.
The sound detecting device (video camera, decibel meter, oscilloscope etc) can be at a fixed distance away. The tuning fork can be brought slowly to the mouth of the tube previously adjusted for resonance. I am absolutely certain of the experimental result. The resulting sound will be louder and lasts longer.
There may be different “hypothesis" on why the resulting sound is louder and lasts longer.
The Tseung hypothesis that additional energy from the environment is brought in is scientifically acceptable. The total sound energy of the system (tuning fork and tube of air) is more than that of the tuning fork alone.
@Observer, thank you for the repeated post. I would have missed the significance if the diagram were posted only once.
May be this is the way intended by the Almighty. Let us stand on the shoulders of one another.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 09:52:28 AM
..
The Tseung hypothesis that additional energy from the environment is brought in is scientifically acceptable. ...
Sure it is ..... by clowns only! You're a shameless circus act, Mr. Tseung
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 09:52:28 AM
The Tseung hypothesis that additional energy from the environment is brought in is scientifically acceptable. The total sound energy of the system (tuning fork and tube of air) is more than that of the tuning fork alone.
How can you say that? As poynt and BEP explained, a decibel meter or whatever you propose to use is not an adequate measure of sound energy. It is merely a measure of perceived volume.
You also make no effort to measure energy input. So how can you say there is more out than in?
Poynt,
You said,
QuoteAs with the acoustic guitar, the result is a louder sound, but for less time.
Nope.. you have not tested this nor do you seem to understand how the resonator feeds energy back to the strings.
The Dictionary's Definition is true... and that's good news.
5. Acoustics - An Intensification AND Prolongation of sound, especially musical tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
---> Intensification means Louder (more energy) <---
&
---> Prolongation means Longer (more energy) <---
I still would like to know...
What would be a suitable experiment to find out if a sound wave is being amplified?------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LT,
About the diagram.
1.Using a speaker tone for the source instead of tuning fork makes for a more reliable experiment.
a. When using a speaker, you will have steady tone (steady energy value).
- This quells arguments about the energy in a 1st sound wave, since it does not vary.
b. However, there will not feedback as the speaker will not store energy vibrationally, so prolongation will be less.
2. You could just use a speaker and few tuning forks.
a. Vary speaker tone to confirm a frequency match (watch and listen to the tuning forks)
b. Then, do the test with the decibel meter. (no tuning fork.. then with)
c. There will always be a prolongation of sound, since the fork will ring after the speaker is turned off.
3. This all leads to my idea that Resonating High Voltage Transformers is a valid route for experimentation here.
a. Please check out the following video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zacait0vgCM
- An average Joule Thief lights a CFL by using JT output to resonate an Ignition Coil.
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Thank you to everyone for you time on this,
The Observer
Source of Sound Energy as explained by the Kinetic Theory of Gases.
I believe all physicists and chemists have learned the Kinetic Theory of Gases as part of their training.
The Kinetic Theory of Gases assumes that:
1. There are many gas molecules colliding with the surrounding walls and with one another. They are constantly in motion and each of their kinetic energy is given by the formula 1/2 mV*V where m is the mass of the molecule and V is the velocity of the molecule.
2. The pressure exerted on the walls or containers is a result of the collision of these molecules on these walls or containers.
3. If a gas is in motion, we can treat that more molecules move in one direction. (With a solid, if it moves with velocity v, all molecules must travel together with the same velocity v as they are rigidly bounded to each other).
4. This means we can actually use the kinetic energy associated with the gas molecules if we can induce more to go in one direction than another.
5. Furthermore, because there is plenty of space between the molecules, we can compress or expand the gas (decrease or increase their distance of separation).
6. A sound wave is an ordered compression and expansion of such molecules. This pulsing action “produces an ordered motion†rather than the random motion of the gas molecules.
7. The ordered motion leads-out or brings-in the kinetic energy associated with the molecules.
Such an explanation is perfectly logical and does not violate any Laws of Physics.
The Almighty has clearly directed us to the true understanding of resonance in sound. The energy associated with a tuning fork and a resonance tube is more than that of the tuning fork alone because of the kinetic energy from the gas molecules. We used some of the striking energy from the tuning fork to lead-out the kinetic energy of the gas molecules. There is no mystery to the increase in energy!
ooooooooh
Quote from: The Observer on December 07, 2010, 11:56:21 AM
The Dictionary's Definition is true... and that's good news.
5. Acoustics - An Intensification AND Prolongation of sound, especially musical tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
---> Intensification means Louder (more energy) <---
&
---> Prolongation means Longer (more energy) <---
The Observer
As I mentioned at the beginning, that dictionary definition is wrong and you cherry-picked it because it supports your claim. Do a search at reputable sites and see how many definitions you can find that state prolongation AND intensification occur at the same time. It is an OR function, not and AND. Most say something similar to this:
Quote2. (Acoustics) A prolongation or increase of any sound, either by reflection, as in a cavern or apartment the walls of which are not distant enough to return a distinct echo, or by the production of vibrations in other bodies, as a sounding-board, or the bodies of musical instruments. [1913 Webster]
.99
The facts are that hitting one fork induces energy in the second one , and the second one mirrors back into the first one , elongating the sound .
There is no outside or unknown energy ...
I know you recon where the energy in the second fork comes from (for the first fork) , it is the same thing in reverse . If it works both ways .
Quote from: Mk1 on December 07, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
The facts are that hitting one fork induces energy in the second one , and the second one mirrors back into the first one , elongating the sound .
There is no outside or unknown energy ...
I know you recon where the energy in the second fork comes from (for the first fork) , it is the same thing in reverse . If it works both ways .
What about the 3, 4, 5....20 tuning forks?
In Science, whenever a hypothesis does not violate the existing Laws, it deserves to be looked at. Especially if it can lead to the solving of the World Energy Crisis.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
... Especially if it can lead to the solving of the World Energy Crisis.
Er, NO! It will not lead to anything but a circus act. You are simply delusional because you don't understand physics.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
What about the 3, 4, 5....20 tuning forks?
In Science, whenever a hypothesis does not violate the existing Laws, it deserves to be looked at. Especially if it can lead to the solving of the World Energy Crisis.
Obviously if it works with 2 it will work for many ...
The question is how to use that energy in a efficient way ...
To understand that you would need to really get to work ...
Because you are not even on step one .
Many people before and after you , will still be working on this unless something drastic happens .
I may have to do something about it .
I the mean time , since you like playing with tuning forks find a guitar pickup that will at least give you something to look at with a meter and scope , if you really want this you will need a acoustic chamber with all the forks properly placed , i say that because it will be more efficient if the second forks are hit at 180 out of phase , that is the most efficient way to do it because of the feedback timing between forks (they are pushing each other ) . Then you need to find a way to sustain the main fork if it is not achieved at that point ... You may need a motor to ring it . The number of Guitar type pickup coil (coil with a magnet core ) and design could be improved but that is no free energy ?
I believe the true importance of the phenomenon is elsewhere in understanding the physic of it , the physics of resonance , like for example resonant freq of coil vs mass of coil for efficiency and maximum power transfer . Those will move our efficiency levels beyond what we can imagine .
As for resonance of the core it self that is something else ...
I was exposed the forks trick over 20 years ago and explored the phenomenon to a far greater extent then what is suggested here , and getting mortified by lack of sight of the leaders , that begs for abuse , and i am not so found either of the naysayer stuck on repeat , there should be a warning system for those lacking manners .
Mark
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
What about the 3, 4, 5....20 tuning forks?
In Science, whenever a hypothesis does not violate the existing Laws, it deserves to be looked at.
You do not know anything about these Laws...nor do you know anything about resonance or electronics.
All you want is to be famous but you keep failing.
Your jealous at steven mark trust me you will never be like him.
Your the biggest joke i have ever seen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
Especially if it can lead to the solving of the World Energy Crisis.
Delusional
CLOWN
Quote from: Mk1 on December 07, 2010, 04:45:53 PM
Obviously if it works with 2 it will work for many ...
The question is how to use that energy in a efficient way ...
To understand that you would need to really get to work .......
Mark
Dear Mark,
To carry the Physics a bit further â€" What keeps the air on Earth? Why is that the moon have no air?
The standard answer is that the gravitational pull of the Earth is large enough to overcome the “escape of these gas molecules. The gravitational pull of the Moon is not strong enough. This means that the gravitational field of the Earth will “have something to do with these gas molecules� Can we then use the gravitational field of the Earth directly?
The
YES answer was given by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in Dec 2004 related to the pulsed pendulum. When we worked out the mathematics, it was clear that two parts of horizontal energy could lead out one part of vertical (or gravitational) energy.
That leads to pulsed oscillation…
That leads to pulsed rotation and the Tong wheel….
That leads to FLEET…..
Once you accept that external energy can be brought-in at resonance (in sound), you will have to seriously look at bringing in magnetic (or electron motion) energy at LCR resonance in electrical circuits.
God works in mysterious ways. He brings me to USA for a reason.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 05:54:24 PM
Dear Mark,
To carry the Physics a bit further â€" What keeps the air on Earth? Why is that the moon have no air?
The standard answer is that the gravitational pull of the Earth is large enough to overcome the “escape of these gas molecules. The gravitational pull of the Moon is not strong enough. This means that the gravitational field of the Earth will “have something to do with these gas molecules� Can we then use the gravitational field of the Earth directly?
The YES answer was given by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in Dec 2004 related to the pulsed pendulum. When we worked out the mathematics, it was clear that two parts of horizontal energy could lead out one part of vertical (or gravitational) energy.
That leads to pulsed oscillation…
That leads to pulsed rotation and the Tong wheel….
That leads to FLEET…..
Once you accept that external energy can be brought-in at resonance (in sound), you will have to seriously look at bringing in magnetic (or electron motion) energy at LCR resonance in electrical circuits.
God works in mysterious ways. He brings me to USA for a reason.
You are assuming that i don't recognize the latent energy field , caused by the earth spin and solar magnetic spin , and you are wrong .
Yes you can site mathematics proof , by someone else and still not get it .
This is the last time i go out of my way to help you ...
You are more and more leaning to the clown side , this doesn't mean you are not right , only that you think you understand what you are saying , think that you are the only of a select few smart enough individual to understand only fuels delusion and must be avoided at all cost . In essence it inhibit deeper and meaningful comprehension of the phenomenon . So what is in your future besides sitting on the shoulder of other people's like Gadget and my self with your renamed Joule thief , in America BTW we call that fraud .
Btw most LRC electrical circuit are really not efficient unless you really understand R and C are only to make it easier to tune , but the truth is that the coil it self should be tuned without need additional artificial tuning means , that was implied by the mass/vs freq for previous .
Good luck !
Dear Dr. Steven Chu,
I believe that you are looking for a long term solution to solving the Energy Crisis.
We have completed the theoretical study and have working prototypes to solve the above. The solution turned out to be very simple. We can use the energy from the still air surrounding us. We can use the gravitational energy that has always been with us. We can use the electron motion energy of the electrons orbiting around the nuclei of the trillions of atoms surrounding us.
The simplest theoretical and experimental proof is two or more identical tuning forks in resonance or in sympathetic vibration. Experiments show that the resulting sound is louder and lasts longer. That implies an increase in sound energy. Previously, most scientists thought that the phenomenon is due to more efficient conversion of the struck tuning fork energy into sound energy.
Now we know that the correct explanation is the orientating the air molecules from the random movement to a more ordered vibration motion. The ordered vibration motion leads-out or brings-in the kinetic energy of the air molecules. More detailed discussions can be found at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266362#msg266362
If the kinetic energy of air molecules can be brought into a system at resonance, we should be able to bring-in magnetic or electron motion energy via LCR or electrical resonance.
I now have nine prototypes that can demonstrate that the Output Power can be many times greater than the Input Power. If you can arrange two oscilloscopes and a team of knowledgeable scientists or engineers, I can do that demonstration to their satisfaction.
I am living with my daughter in Irvine, California and I hope to pass that knowledge to benefit the World. You can google “lead-out energy†for more detailed information.
Thank you for your kind consideration.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 08, 2010, 02:36:24 PM
Dear Dr. Steven Chu,
I....
Thank you for your kind consideration.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Unbelievable delusion! So full of yourself you can't tell fact from fiction.
So sad indeed.
cheers
chrisC
good lord, he really IS delusional isnt he :o
Quote from: rave154 on December 08, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
good lord, he really IS delusional isnt he :o
I really feel sorry for his daughter. How do you advice someone whose parent whilst seemingly normal becomes a clown & moron trying so hard to prove his technical worth?
Now I think most people on this thread now understands Mr. Tseung really is psychotic.
cheers
chrisC
Poynt,
You say,
QuoteAs I mentioned at the beginning, that dictionary definition is wrong
5. Acoustics- An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially Musical Tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
Do you realize that I tested this...
came up with Louder and Longer on my own,
then found the Dictionary supported my Observation??
As I said,
One Acoustic Guitar can demonstrate this effect by tuning all the strings to the same tone.
If you Cover the hole, and Damp 5 of the strings... the resultant sound is Softer and Shorter. Have you tried this? I'm sure you will reconsider your statement if you witness this effect first hand.
Anyways, I'm sure you have some good ideas about experimentation in the area of (USEs) Unrecognized Energy Sources.
I do appreciate your time on this, as most don't even seem to comprehend my claim.
Perhaps the time has come to agree to disagree.
Surely you encourage experimenting with that which arouses one's curiosity.
---> Therefore, I'll be experimenting with Resonating Transformers. <---
Why? See O-Scope Readings Below.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 07, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
Source of Sound Energy as explained by the Kinetic Theory of Gases.
I believe all physicists and chemists have learned the Kinetic Theory of Gases as part of their training.
The Kinetic Theory of Gases assumes that:
1. There are many gas molecules colliding with the surrounding walls and with one another. They are constantly in motion and each of their kinetic energy is given by the formula 1/2 mV*V where m is the mass of the molecule and V is the velocity of the molecule.
2. The pressure exerted on the walls or containers is a result of the collision of these molecules on these walls or containers.
3. If a gas is in motion, we can treat that more molecules move in one direction. (With a solid, if it moves with velocity v, all molecules must travel together with the same velocity v as they are rigidly bounded to each other).
4. This means we can actually use the kinetic energy associated with the gas molecules if we can induce more to go in one direction than another.
5. Furthermore, because there is plenty of space between the molecules, we can compress or expand the gas (decrease or increase their distance of separation).
6. A sound wave is an ordered compression and expansion of such molecules. This pulsing action “produces an ordered motion†rather than the random motion of the gas molecules.
7. The ordered motion leads-out or brings-in the kinetic energy associated with the molecules.
Such an explanation is perfectly logical and does not violate any Laws of Physics.
The Almighty has clearly directed us to the true understanding of resonance in sound. The energy associated with a tuning fork and a resonance tube is more than that of the tuning fork alone because of the kinetic energy from the gas molecules. We used some of the striking energy from the tuning fork to lead-out the kinetic energy of the gas molecules. There is no mystery to the increase in energy!
I wonder whether other scientists ever proposed this link between resonance and the kinetic energy of gas molecules previously???
It is so obvious that a single tuning fork will convert the struck energy into sound energy and radiate that in all directions. Only a tiny part could be picked up by a second or third or fourth tuning fork. How can that tiny energy produce the loud resonance or sympathetic vibration sound?
We know from the kinetic theory of gases that there is already a huge amount of moving energy associated with a group of gas molecules. When this group of gas molecules are stationary, there are equal number of molecules bombarding the surrounding walls in all the six directions (+X, -X, +Y,-Y,+Z,-Z). In layman terms, the directions are left, right, front, back, top and bottom.
If we can “induce†more to move in the +X direction, there will be less bombarding in the other directions. This is the Bernoulli’s effect and the classic explanation of why airplanes fly. The question is â€" can the “induction energy†be less than the lead-out or bring-in kinetic energy?The sound resonance phenomenon clearly demonstrated a YES answer.
I know that I am the first one to propose this link in this thread. Am I the first physicist to propose this in this World?
Will the forum members (including the naysayers) be able to point us to other sources that proposed this link elsewhere previously?
God works in mysterious ways. I no longer have the oscilloscopes and the team to help me build the prototypes. But the scientific achievements have not stopped!
Quote from: The Observer on December 09, 2010, 07:34:05 AM
Poynt,
You say,
5. Acoustics- An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially Musical Tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
Do you realize that I tested this...
came up with Louder and Longer on my own,
then found the Dictionary supported my Observation??
As I said, One Acoustic Guitar can demonstrate this effect by tuning all the strings to the same tone.
If you Cover the hole, and Damp 5 of the strings... the resultant sound is Softer and Shorter.
Have you tried this? I'm sure you will reconsider your statement if you witness this effect first hand.
Anyways, I'm sure you have some good ideas about experimentation in the area of (USEs) Unrecognized Energy Sources.
I do appreciate your time on this, as most don't even seem to comprehend my claim.
Perhaps the time has come to agree to disagree.
Surely you encourage experimenting with that which arouses one's curiosity.
---> Therefore, I'll be experimenting with Resonating Transformers. <---
Why? See O-Scope Readings Below.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I encourage experimenting, absolutely. I also encourage deep analysis and thorough research. With the exception of those two scope shots (which mean very little without supporting data) I have not seen evidence here of any of the above 3.
Claims are numerous and cheap to make. Sadly, most don't even attempt to support their claims with credible evidence (nor know how to go about it), and thus far it holds true in this case as well.
I think the basis for and normality of your observations has been adequately explained to you here, and it is up to you now to refute them by
clearly demonstrating the existence of those so-called USE's and the resulting OU or FE.
Good luck!
.99
Can we consider the First tuning fork as an energy lead-out device?
Even the first tuning fork will cause the air molecules to vibrate in an “ordered†fashion. That may already bring-out the kinetic energy of the gas molecules.
This really changes our understanding of sound and many fundamental concepts in Physics. The element of bringing-in energy is present all the time but is best illustrated at resonance.
Thank you, God, for this revelation.
Quote from: poynt99 on December 09, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
I encourage experimenting, absolutely. I also encourage deep analysis and thorough research. With the exception of those two scope shots (which mean very little without supporting data) I have not seen evidence here of any of the above 3.
Claims are numerous and cheap to make. Sadly, most don't even attempt to support their claims with credible evidence (nor know how to go about it), and thus far it holds true in this case as well.
I think the basis for and normality of your observations has been adequately explained to you here, and it is up to you now to refute them by clearly demonstrating the existence of those so-called USE's and the resulting OU or FE.
Good luck!
.99
Dear poynt99,
I found the experimental description we did sometime ago on fluid velocity. At that time, I did not link that to resonance. Now it is obvious. The title was "kinetic theory of gases in motion".
http://goldfield123.freehomepage.com/Lawrence3.htm
Experiments done in the past and buried at the back of our brains may help. Repeating them is not a problem. I am sure that Observer have done enough experiments with the Guitars and the tuning forks to have the conviction that two tuning forks sound louder and longer than one.
I am ready to defend this new God granted truth of sound resonance. The pulse ordering motion of the gas molecules brings-in the kinetic energy of the gas molecules into the sound (e.g. tuning fork) systems.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts & photos Lawrence.
OMG when you think you saw it all it gets even more crazy.
Observer i encourage you to go and take some sort of SCOPE READING CLASS!!!!!
The more official, scientific wording on Transmission of Sound through Air
The previous understanding of transmission of sound through air is that the sound waves are caused by the vibrating source. The sound energy comes from the vibrating source alone.
The new Tseung understanding of transmission of sound through air is that the sound waves are caused by the vibrating source. At the same time, some of the kinetic energy of the air molecules is lead-out or brought-in because the totally random motion of the molecules is replaced by the pulsing order of the sound waves.
The confirmation of energy coming from the air molecules is via sympathetic vibrations of two or more identical tuning forks in resonance. The resulting sound is louder and lasts longer than when only one tuning fork is struck.
The explanation is that any vibrating source will radiate the sound energy in all six directions. The actual energy that can be imparted to a second or third tuning fork is very small. The resulting louder and long sound must gain additional energy from the surrounding environment.
From the well established and understood Kinetic Theory of Gases, the air molecules collide with each other and bombard the walls. Each molecule will have kinetic energy equal to 1/2 mV*V where m is mass of the molecule and V is the molecular velocity. The ordered pulsing of the sound wave orientates the random motion of the molecules into some ordered motions. These ordered motions leads-out or brings-in the existing kinetic energy of the molecules into the sound transmission environment. The lead-out or brought-in energy is responsible for the much louder and longer sound at resonance or at sympathetic vibrations.
With God’s Blessing, the new Tseung understand will be accepted by the scientific community in the near future. This will have a great impact on the understanding of sound and resonance. Leading-out or Bringing-in of energy at or near resonance of all forms will be accepted and vigorously researched.
Poynt,
Thanks for the comment.
I'm sure if you resonate a transformer in your spare time, you will find a non-linear effect on the output.
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LT,
I appreciate your theory on the air being the reason that the tuning forks ring louder and longer.
However, I think half of your theory is right, and the other half wrong.
1. The half that I think is right...
- When the natural motion of molecules is synced by resonance...
it is possible the energy that moves the molecules
is realized in the energy of the vibration in the resonating object.
- note.. the same material can have lots of different natural frequencies depending on dimensions.
... therefore, the time that a wave moves from one end of an object to the other, comes into play.
2. The half I think is wrong...
- It's not the air doing the work in the tuning fork example.
- The only way Air can give off extra energy is if IT (the air) is resonated. (an Acoustic Cavity or Helmholtz Resonator)
- In the tuning fork example, Air is the carrier of energy (it never resonates), what resonates is the Fork.
Never-the-less, I believe this (my idea combined with yours) is a definitive step in explaining what is happening.
Thank you. ;o)
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XS,
I appreciate your interest in my Resonating Transformer Summary of the Summary.
It was an abbreviated version of my Resonating Homemade Flyback Transformer Experiment.
Below is a more complete version for you viewing pleasure. ;o)
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Best Regards,
The Observer
If two opposite phase dipoles lie along the same line they make up a Linear Quadrupole source. A tuning fork is a good example of a linear quadrupole source (each tine acts as a dipole as it vibrates back and forth, and the two tines oscillate in opposite directions). What makes the linear quadrupole interesting is that there is a very obvious transition from near field to far field. In the near field there are four maxima and four minima, with the maxima along the quadrupole axis about 5dB louder than the maxima perpendicular to the quadrupole axis.
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/rad2/mdq.html
Wang Shen He Devices
Mr. Wang sent me the following photos. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and I helped to promote him in 2006 at Tsinghua University, Beijing. He got funding from the Chinese Government and State Electricity Companies. He asked us not to promote him any more as all information became classified.
He recently sent me the photos and stated that those interested should contact him directly. His email address is: wshsdfm200808@126.com.
I believe that the principle behind his device has not changed. The special feature of his device is that no starting battery is required. A slight twist from the hand is used to start the device. The device uses coupling of ferro-liquid and permanent magnets.
Google Wang Shen He or Wang Shum Ho for more detailed information.
Please email him directly for any technical or business information. Thank you
HOLY SHIT :o
I am going to replicate this.
Quote from: The Observer on December 10, 2010, 11:12:05 AM
Poynt,
Thanks for the comment.
I'm sure if you resonate a transformer in your spare time, you will find a non-linear effect on the output.
Best Regards,
The Observer
What you have shown through those scope shots is quite normal. I trust you understand that? However, voltage levels alone do not provide an indication as to the power levels in the system.
In order to verify if you have truly achieved a gain in energy (or power), you will need to place a load on the secondary, and then properly measure both the input and output power levels.
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on December 10, 2010, 02:05:15 PM
What you have shown through those scope shots is quite normal. I trust you understand that?
.99
No he doesn't have a clue.
THey both don't understand what they are talking about.
2 bad
I will say this at this point. It's pretty obvious Tseung is harmless. I originally thought he was a scam artist, and maybe that was true, but it's clear that he has not scammed anyone out of money, and there is about zero chance that he will. If the old guy wants to dream of breakthroughs and post his wild ideas on this forum, well, I don't think he is hurting anyone. Everyone needs a hobby. It's better than watching Matlock marathons.
The only thing that bothers me is that he constantly lies. Lawrence, quit lying. Just post up your theories and be honest about facts.
Quote from: utilitarian on December 10, 2010, 09:52:49 PM
I will say this at this point. It's pretty obvious Tseung is harmless. I originally thought he was a scam artist, and maybe that was true, but it's clear that he has not scammed anyone out of money, and there is about zero chance that he will. If the old guy wants to dream of breakthroughs and post his wild ideas on this forum, well, I don't think he is hurting anyone. Everyone needs a hobby. It's better than watching Matlock marathons.
The only thing that bothers me is that he constantly lies. Lawrence, quit lying. Just post up your theories and be honest about facts.
@Util
Yes, I agree. It's rather unfortunate the gentlemen, whilst seemingly 'harmless' does exhibit dishonest traces, if only to impress others about his engineering abilities. Truth be known, he constantly makes a fool of himself, shifting from theory to new theory whenever challenged or when he's exposed about his lack of understanding. Then bringing God into the equation to further enhance his 'God bestowed gifts'. What a loser!
Then there's the other clown who observes without adequate knowledge. Well, two clowns are better than one when we watch a comedy show - twice the entertainment.
Cheer
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on December 10, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
Then bringing God into the equation to further enhance his 'God bestowed gifts'. What a loser!
Then there's the other clown who observes without adequate knowledge.
Cheer
chrisC
Well said.
At the Irving Senior Center â€" Lakeview
Mr. L: “You are wasting your time talking to the old folks. They can hardly hear you. Comprehending the Physics is out of the question.â€
Tseung: “It is for my benefit. It gives an opportunity for me to present in front of a polite audience. They at least give encouraging nods and smiles. That is much better than the insults from the naysayers and insulters at the overunity forum.â€
Mr. L: “That is true. You need much practice and dry runs before presenting in Stockholm. Is that your goal?â€
Tseung: “No. My goal is to serve the Lord. It is not possible for a mere mortal, retired, with no resources, no teams and no fame to change the thinking of the scientific world. It has to be a miracle from the Almighty.â€
Mr. L: “Two or more tuning forks in resonance. That brings out the kinetic energy of gas molecules to increase the sound energy. Who can ever think of that? I am starting to believe in miracles! Amen.â€
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Poynt,
You said,
Quote
In order to verify if you have truly achieved a gain in energy (or power), you will need to place a load on the secondary, and then properly measure both the input and output power levels.
.99
I have...
There is a non-linear effect on power as you reach resonance.
1. This was found out when I could light a 3V LED with a 1.5V battery
on the STEP DOWN side of an audio Transformer, only at the Res. Freq.
2. If I put LEDs on the primary of a resonating audio transformer...
Forget it, they burn out instantly. (ONLY AT 1 FREQUENCY)
The LEDs clearly demonstrate a non-linear effect on the power output.
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LT,
The only way air molecules are going to bring in energy is if the air is resonated inside a cavity.
It sounds like you are not considering the fact that it is the object that is resonating, that exudes the extra energy.
Please think about this.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: utilitarian on December 10, 2010, 09:52:49 PM
I will say this at this point. It's pretty obvious Tseung is harmless. I originally thought he was a scam artist, and maybe that was true, but it's clear that he has not scammed anyone out of money, and there is about zero chance that he will. If the old guy wants to dream of breakthroughs and post his wild ideas on this forum, well, I don't think he is hurting anyone. Everyone needs a hobby. It's better than watching Matlock marathons.
The only thing that bothers me is that he constantly lies. Lawrence, quit lying. Just post up your theories and be honest about facts.
This says to me that you have missed or didnt read quite a few of his previous posts then..
Tseung wrote:
...That brings out the kinetic energy of gas molecules to increase the sound energy.... WTF is this?
Also I think there is no Mr L... as well as many "others" that were bofore "him" ;D
Quote from: minde4000 on December 11, 2010, 11:54:45 AM
This says to me that you have missed or didnt read quite a few of his previous posts then..
Tseung wrote:
...That brings out the kinetic energy of gas molecules to increase the sound energy.... WTF is this?
Also I think there is no Mr L... as well as many "others" that were bofore "him" ;D
Like I said, he lies constantly. He lies about Wang Shum Ho, he lies about "universities", he posts as others, he lies about his contacts with the Chinese government, he doctors photos (fake UFO shot), he constantly makes bullshit predictions.
The old guy is clearly off his rocker, but keep in in perspective. He posts his ramblings in a single thread on an obscure corner of the Internet. And he does pretty much stick to his own thread. By the way, this thread would completely die if we, the cynics, didn't post in it. I think even Mr. Tseung would get tired of posting 500 times in a row, if no one responded. Though it is possible he still might keep his own thread alive via alter egos. He is pretty persistent with this stuff.
GREAT PHOTOS Lawrence. That looks like a very peaceful & nice place there.
Great photo's indeed :)
Quote from: The Observer on December 11, 2010, 11:54:09 AM
Poynt,
You said,
I have...
There is a non-linear effect on power as you reach resonance.
1. This was found out when I could light a 3V LED with a 1.5V battery
on the STEP DOWN side of an audio Transformer, only at the Res. Freq.
2. If I put LEDs on the primary of a resonating audio transformer...
Forget it, they burn out instantly. (ONLY AT 1 FREQUENCY)
The LEDs clearly demonstrate a non-linear effect on the power output.
Best Regards,
The Observer
It seems apparent that what I've been offering here, isn't helping any, so I wish you the best of luck with it. :)
Cheers,
.99
Is this what the Almighty has in mind for me?
Post on the Internet as if I were writing my diary.
Ignore all comments from naysayers and insulters.
Have solid record for the scientific community who will examine every word under the microscope in the near future.
Enjoy the spa, the swimming in the heated pool and the laughter of the kids.
Bless the Almighty.
Forget about weapons of mass destruction..... ltseung888 brings to the table weapons of mass distraction.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 11, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
At the Irving Senior Center â€" Lakeview
...
Mr. L: “That is true. You need much practice and dry runs before presenting in Stockholm. Is that your goal?â€
...
I strongly advise you to check into this place before you receive your Nobel prize in Physics?
http://www.healthcare.uci.edu/pm.asp . They need authentic test cases. It's all good!
cheers
chrisC
WTF ? This is an OU topic or a comic topic ? What about the main subject: " Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets" ?
Kunel Patent is a pulsed DC transformer, but I have a question here what about Lenz Law in this case. Several months ago I have theorised a pulsed DC transfomer that draw energy from magnetics fields of a magnet (after research I have saw this devices has already invented (Kunel Patent). So the theory is simple: the magnet provide a flux in the iron bar, the control coil pulse and repel the magnet (but the magnet can move away he is glued) when the control coil is switch off, the magnet restore the flux in the iron bar inducing an EMF in the receiver coils, Lenz Law of the receiver coils apply to the magnet not control coil. What do you think about this theory ? In another design I think you can replace the magnet by a DC Bias coil, and close the loop in form of a toroid, like a TPU !!!
Edit: Sorry for the large image that deform the forum...
Extending the “resonance leading-out kinetic energy of gases theory†to solids
For any hypothesis to become a theory and be placed in textbooks for all future generations to study, we need to stretch it to the very limits.
It is very logical to propose that the pulsing vibration of the sound waves “induces a more ordered motion†of the moving gas molecules. This ordered action leads-out the kinetic energy already present in the gas molecules. Thus two or more tuning forks in resonance or in sympathetic vibration sound louder and last longer because of the extra lead-out or bring-in energy.
How about stretching this theory to solids? Solid molecules are more rigidly bound to one another. If we push a solid so that it acquires a velocity v, all molecules must acquire this velocity v. If we pull it, the same happens. Thus in physics, a pulling or pushing force on a solid is regarded as identical (at least in its mathematical treatment).
We also know that the molecules in solids are not stationary. They vibrate in all directions and that phenomenon is exhibited as heat. When a sound wave passes through a solid, can it “induce some ordered motion†to these random vibrations?
If so, can the more ordered motion lead-out or bring-in some of the randomly vibrating energy into the system? If so, the lead-out or bring-in energy theory is still applicable to sound waves passing through solids. Will the resonance effect be present? Does the different length of tuning forks or vibrating strings or musical rods demonstrate such resonance?
The Almighty cannot be wrong. Just follow His path. I am now sure that my hypothesis on sound, resonance and bringing-in of molecular motion energy is correct. In gases, the energy is the familiar kinetic energy of gas molecules. In solids, the energy is the familiar vibration energy commonly known as heat. What a revelation!
@Observer, I fully support your resonating the acoustic transformer. That experiment will become a “must study†in future physics courses.
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 12, 2010, 04:24:53 AM
WTF ? This is an OU topic or a comic topic ? What about the main subject: " Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets" ?
Kunel Patent is a pulsed DC transformer, but I have a question here what about Lenz Law in this case. Several months ago I have theorised a pulsed DC transfomer that draw energy from magnetics fields of a magnet (after research I have saw this devices has already invented (Kunel Patent). So the theory is simple: the magnet provide a flux in the iron bar, the control coil pulse and repel the magnet (but the magnet can move away he is glued) when the control coil is switch off, the magnet restore the flux in the iron bar inducing an EMF in the receiver coils, Lenz Law of the receiver coils apply to the magnet not control coil. What do you think about this theory ? In another design I think you can replace the magnet by a DC Bias coil, and close the loop in form of a toroid, like a TPU !!!
Edit: Sorry for the large image that deform the forum...
Dear SchubertReijiMaigo,
Thank you for your post. I am concentrating on the most important physics question â€" if the Output Energy of any claimed OU device is greater than the Input Energy, where does that energy come from?
That question is much more important than Lenz Law.I firmly believe that the extra energy is lead-out or bring-in from the surrounding environment. The extra energy can be the kinetic energy of the moving gas molecules, the vibrating energy of solid molecules, the gravitational energy or the electron motion energy of the trillions of electrons surrounding us.
At resonance of any form, the amplitude of vibration or oscillation increases exponentially. Such an exponential behavior can easily be explained if we assume that extra energy is brought-in into the system and a feedback mechanism is present.
Thus your device or the Kunel Patent is likely to be some form of electromagnetic resonance leading-out or bringing-in electron motion energy. Your research direction is correct and theoretically sound. It is a matter of nailing down the practical configuration to produce working devices. Thus the Steven Mark TPU may not be a hoax.
Many have succeeded but ridiculed. Examples are Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang and yours truly. (Just read the insults on this thread. When the paid cowards cannot attack the technology, they hurl insults behind a username. Forgive them as they have to make a living and feed their families too.)
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
@ Itseung888 Many have succeeded but ridiculed. Examples are Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang and yours truly. (Just read the insults on this thread. When the paid cowards cannot attack the technology, they hurl insults behind a username. Forgive them as they have to make a living and feed their families too.)
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Good points Lawrence.
LT,
Thanks for you comment about my resonating transformer experiments.
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However, I am concerned about your idea that extra energy
comes from a regular old sound wave
traveling through the air.
You need to consider the molecules of the object resonating --> the 2nd tuning fork (air is the object in an acoustic guitar).
It does appear you are starting to think about this.
The Object that is resonating is STORING ENERGY.. that's where the conundrum lies.
The 2nd Tuning fork... absorbs a small amount of sound energy...
accumulates the energy vibrationally
then vibrates
at an amplitude congruent
to the energy stored.
Thank you for your enthusiasm on this subject.
Best Regards,
The Observer
QuoteThank you for your post. I am concentrating on the most important physics question â€" if the Output Energy of any claimed OU device is greater than the Input Energy, where does that energy come from?
That question is much more important than Lenz Law.
I firmly believe that the extra energy is lead-out or bring-in from the surrounding environment. The extra energy can be the kinetic energy of the moving gas molecules, the vibrating energy of solid molecules, the gravitational energy or the electron motion energy of the trillions of electrons surrounding us.
Thank you for responding: I believe also some energy is pumped somewhere. In the many story FE devices have common parts like: they cooling down (VTA), sometimes gravitational/giroscopical anomaly (TPU), using coils and caps, pulsed, biased DC, feeded with AC, plays with reluctance (BITT), LC resonnance (Rotoverter and Transverter), etc... I don't know if those theories/effects are true ot not, but the main problem is the lack of information, misinterpretation of effect (counfond with conventional effect), etc... I have browsed the whole internet and this forum, I have saw many pages, but no one is able to replicate devices. What I have never saw a selflooping devices, if FE exist selflooping is just a formality even with a COP 1.1 !!!
I beleive in FE devices but I'am very sceptic, can you "selfloop" your FLEET ? I have read you have achieved COP 10, no ?
At the Church Service and Party
http://cbccoc.org/
I was invited by some old friends as a surprise. They said, “You must come. The babies you held in your arms are performing.â€
How could I refuse such an invitation?
The Church turned out to be attended mainly by Chinese from Hong Kong. We could converse in Cantonese. I felt homely.
I may even be able to talk about lead-out energy in my native dialect!
I wonder who will do the honors of replacing the heads in the pictures above with clowns. haha
got to love the board in the background with "jesus" & "jehovah & "Elohim" on it....
i wonder how many of the people there ACTUALLY KNOW what Elohim means?
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 12, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
Thank you for responding: I believe also some energy is pumped somewhere. In the many story FE devices have common parts like: they cooling down (VTA), sometimes gravitational/giroscopical anomaly (TPU), using coils and caps, pulsed, biased DC, feeded with AC, plays with reluctance (BITT), LC resonnance (Rotoverter and Transverter), etc... I don't know if those theories/effects are true or not, but the main problem is the lack of information, misinterpretation of effect (confound with conventional effect), etc... I have browsed the whole internet and this forum, I have seen many pages, but no one is able to replicate devices. What I have never saw a self-looping devices, if FE exist self-looping is just a formality even with a COP 1.1 !!!
I believe in FE devices but I'am very skeptical, can you "self-loop" your FLEET ? I have read you have achieved COP 10, no ?
Let me break your post into several sections to provide more clear answers.
1. Have my FLEET prototype achieved COP greater than 1?
The answer is a definite yes. I have 9 FLEET prototypes in my possession in USA that can demonstrate this effect. More can be produced if needed. In the workshop done at Hong Kong University in Oct 2010, one of the students, Felix, produced a FLEET prototype with COP > 200. If you have or have access to two oscilloscopes, a data logger, a DC power supply, a signal generator, you can replicate the development. If you are only interested in double checking the results and have two oscilloscopes, I can send you one of the working prototypes. Please read the earlier posts with the two oscilloscope shot photos.
2. If COP were 1.1, will it be easy to do self-looping?
From my own experiments on FLEET, this is not easy. FLEET depends on matching the LCR resonance of the primary and the secondary circuits with the toroid. The resonance effect is load dependent. If you use a battery as the starting and the maintaining power source, the battery itself becomes part of the LCR circuit. The best tuning I achieved was a 30 second continued lighting of a LED after the battery was removed. There could be arguments that the continued lighting was due to capacitors storing some electricity.
3. You believe some energy is pumped somewhere. Is this belief justified?
You probably have read my numerous posts on lead-out or bring-in energy from the environment. The bring-in energy can be the kinetic energy of gas molecules, the vibration energy of solid molecules, gravitational energy and electron motion energy. The discussion on resonance with two or more tuning forks clearly indicated that there must be external energy coming into the system. Two or more identical tuning forks sound louder and last longer than one when only one is struck..
To conclude, if you can have access to two oscilloscopes and is willing to do an open verification experiment with FLEET, I shall be willing to send you one of the working FLEET prototypes. You may keep that as a Christmas Present. We can define the exact testing procedure in this Forum. You are strongly encouraged to work with a University or a Research Organization to do the verification.
You (or any one else reading this post) have a chance to test a working lead-out energy FLEET. The theory is that at resonance, external energy can be brought-into the system. The existing technique from me is to use two oscilloscopes to conclusively measure and compare the Instantaneous Output Power with the Instantaneous Input Power. I discourage building a prototype as an individual from instructions on the Internet. In the Hong Kong University workshop, we found that different participants got different results. The results range from COP < 1 to COP > 200. They received the same instructions, used the same material, had the same testing equipment and sat next to one another. Tuning for resonance is still very tricky. Slight departure from the resonance condition or frequency will destroy any overunity effects.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Reply to an email from a reputable company in UK Quote
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I have spent some considerable time researching alternative technologies in response to this crisis and although I must confess my knowledge of energy production in your specialised field is very limited indeed, I have nonetheless identified the possibilities associated with your methods as potentially the answer to many of these pressing issues. In the humble opinion of myself and my co directors we believe your technology and expertise offers many advantages to the wider world.
Having read the details of your 5kW electricity generator on the website of http://peswiki.com and based on the quoted information you appear to be at the point of production, I should wish to pose some questions if I may although for reasons stated previously not of a highly technical nature.
Firstly can you advise the anticipated savings in electricity output to an average household, secondly is the technology compatible with UK electricity system, thirdly what is considered to be the appropriate start up mechanism / system to initiate operation of the unit, fourthly when you mention mass production can you advise of capacity, fifthly does the technology require a back up system or would the national grid be considered as such and lastly is there any follow up maintenance requirement for the unit.
As mentioned in the above website your team is seeking a marketing partner and I should like to know if this requirement has been fulfilled in the UK and Europe, if not we would be happy to enter into discussions on this point at the earliest opportunity.
In the course of my research I have uncovered some resistance to this technology from those parties with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo however, having studied the implications and advantages of your technology we believe strongly that this resistance can be overcome as the elements and arguments in favour appear so powerful.
In conclusion, may I say on behalf of my company we are deeply impressed with your technological advancements, principals and ambitions and would welcome the opportunity to develop these further in association with yourselves and your team.
I look forward to your early reply
Kind Regards
John O'Mahony
Sales & Operations Director
CSIBA Europe Ltd
Tel / Fax: + 44 (0)1333 450329
Email: enquiries@csibaeurope.co.uk
www.csibaeurope.co.uk
Dear Mr. John O’Mahony,
Please read my post at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266584#msg266584
Mr. Wang would like all requests for information (technical or business) to be directed to him via his email address. There are many sensitive issues as at one time he was funded by the Chinese Government and the State Electricity Companies.
You may be interested in the FLEET technology also. FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. Both the Wang generator and FLEET belong to the class of Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Machines. The Wang generator uses coupling of ferro-liquid and permanent magnets to lead-out the electron motion energy. FLEET uses Joule Thief and LCR circuits to resonate toroids to lead-out the electron motion energy of the trillions of electrons in the surrounding environment.
The FLEET technology is at the stage of verification. If you are interested, your Company may help us in doing a commercial verification. Academic verification has already started and is expected to take many months. Please read my post at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266916#msg266916
As far as I am aware, there are at least thirteen teams in Hong Kong and China working on the FLEET technology and related products. Most of them are keeping their progress confidential until their product is ready for the Market.
Now to your questions:
Firstly can you advise the anticipated savings in electricity output to an average household?
The monthly electricity bill is zero. The 5 KW Wang or the FLEET units are capable of generating that amount 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. If the household requires more, they can have two or more units. I have no idea of the selling price of a Wang or FLEET unit but the material and manufacturing cost is likely to be less than USD1,000.
Secondly is the technology compatible with UK electricity system?
The existing technology is capable of converting the output of the Wang or the FLEET units to different AC or DC voltages at 50 or 60 Hertz. We expect existing electrical appliances can draw power from such units with no difficulty. This is an important area for the development team. Full information will be available at product rollout. (If your Company participates in the early tests, you will have reports from your own engineers.)
Thirdly what is considered to be the appropriate start up mechanism / system to initiate operation of the unit?
The present thought is to use the existing national grid as start up and back up. Technologically, the Wang generator can start just by turning the shaft by hand in the laboratory. The FLEET unit can start and maintain its operation with a rechargeable AA battery. Once started, that AA battery can even be removed. (You can test this mechanism in the early tests.)
Fourthly when you mention mass production can you advise of capacity?
This is a more difficult question to answer. You may already know that there are other competing technologies that claim to bring-in energy from the environment. Google Steven Mark TPU as an example. I personally believe that I am not the inventor. God is working his Miracles through me. Thus I seek no financial or other rewards. My information is free to benefit the World.
This is also the reason that I have not received any Venture Funding (or likely to receive any). The other teams work differently than me and some are known to have received significant funding.
Email Wang directly. He is likely to have a different answer.
Fifthly does the technology require a back up system or would the national grid be considered as such?
You have the correct answer.
Lastly is there any follow up maintenance requirement for the unit?
Technically, the Wang or the FLEET units should have a life similar to that of a reliable refrigerator. Ten years or more should not be a problem. Some engineers are even talking about having dual units as a standard. If the primary unit fails, the secondary will automatically take over. At the same time, an alert message will be displayed to the home owner and a maintenance message will be sent to the maintaining Company automatically.
If your Company is interested in an early test, please email me or post your reply directly in the overunity.com forum.
Yours truly,
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
The monthly electricity bill is zero. The 5 KW Wang or the FLEET units are capable of generating that amount 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. If the household requires more, they can have two or more units. I have no idea of the selling price of a Wang or FLEET unit but the material and manufacturing cost is likely to be less than USD1,000.
holy crap..........what a bunch of horse shit......there is no 5KW "device" !!
as for this mr mahoney ( assuming hes real )...and leading him on to think that an installable 5KW device is just around the corner....... you must must really have some screws loose tseung......i think my early comments referring to you as Walter Mitty.....are proving more & more accurate
What Tseungs answers should have been......if he were honest...
Dear Mr. John O’Mahony,
Please read my post at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266584#msg266584
You may be interested in the FLEET technology also. FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. FLEET uses Joule Thief and LCR circuits to light up perhaps dozens of LED's. These could be used to light up christmas trees around your newly buikt houses & buildings.
The FLEET technology is at the stage of realising that it can only light LED's.. If you are interested, your Company may help us in doing a commercial verification of its ability to light LED's.
As far as I am aware, there are at least thirteen teams in Hong Kong and China working on the FLEET technology and related products. Most of them are keeping their progress confidential until they figure out how to light something other than LED's.
Now to your questions:
Firstly can you advise the anticipated savings in electricity output to an average household?
The average household can be expected to save perhaps $20-$30 over a ten year period lighting LED's.
Secondly
is the technology compatible with UK electricity system?
The existing technology uses AA batteries so will light LED's anywhere in the world.
Thirdly what is considered to be the appropriate start up mechanism / system to initiate operation of the unit?
The FLEET unit can start and maintain its operation with a rechargeable AA battery. Once started, that AA battery can even be removed as long as it is replaced when the LED's go out.
Fourthly when you mention mass production can you advise of capacity?
That depends on how many gullable people i can convince to wind toroids & donate time & effort for no payment to them whatsoever.
Email Wang directly. He perhaps knows more gullable people than i do..
Fifthly does the technology require a back up system or would the national grid be considered as such?
It would be advisable to have spare AA batteries ready for when the initial battery dies.
Lastly is there any follow up maintenance requirement for the unit?
Technically, the Wang or the FLEET units should have a life similar to that of a reliable refrigerator. Ten years or more of lighting LED's should not be a problem. Some engineers are even talking about having dual units to light twice as many LED's. If the primary unit fails, the secondary will automatically take over and light the second batch of LED's. At the same time, an alert message will be displayed to the home owner and a maintenance message will be sent to the battery Company automatically.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 13, 2010, 11:43:16 AM
Dear Sirs,
Our company in the UK is involved in the supply of affordable steel frame homes ....
. In the humble opinion of myself and my co directors we believe your technology and expertise offers many advantages to the wider world.
Having read the details of your 5kW electricity generator on the website of .....
In conclusion, may I say on behalf of my company we are deeply impressed with your technological advancements, principals and ambitions and would welcome the opportunity to develop these further in association with yourselves and your team.
I look forward to your early reply
Kind Regards
John O'Mahony
Sales & Operations Director
CSIBA Europe Ltd
Tel / Fax: + 44 (0)1333 450329
Email: enquiries@csibaeurope.co.uk
www.csibaeurope.co.uk
Well, Mr Baloney (aka Mr. O'Mahony) is obviously someone who does not understand technology and obviously quite naive as well. Why would a serious business man write a email inquiring energy solutions from a deluded comedian? I find that very funny.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: rave154 on December 13, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
What Tseungs answers should have been......if he were honest...
Dear Mr. John O’Mahony,
Please read my post at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266584#msg266584
You may be interested in the FLEET technology also. FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer. FLEET uses Joule Thief and LCR circuits to light up perhaps dozens of LED's. These could be used to light up christmas trees around your newly buikt houses & buildings.
The FLEET technology is at the stage of realising that it can only light LED's.. If you are interested, your Company may help us in doing a commercial verification of its ability to light LED's.
As far as I am aware, there are at least thirteen teams in Hong Kong and China working on the FLEET technology and related products. Most of them are keeping their progress confidential until they figure out how to light something other than LED's.
Now to your questions:
Firstly can you advise the anticipated savings in electricity output to an average household?
The average household can be expected to save perhaps $20-$30 over a ten year period lighting LED's.
Secondly
is the technology compatible with UK electricity system?
The existing technology uses AA batteries so will light LED's anywhere in the world.
Thirdly what is considered to be the appropriate start up mechanism / system to initiate operation of the unit?
The FLEET unit can start and maintain its operation with a rechargeable AA battery. Once started, that AA battery can even be removed as long as it is replaced when the LED's go out.
Fourthly when you mention mass production can you advise of capacity?
That depends on how many gullable people i can convince to wind toroids & donate time & effort for no payment to them whatsoever.
Email Wang directly. He perhaps knows more gullable people than i do..
Fifthly does the technology require a back up system or would the national grid be considered as such?
It would be advisable to have spare AA batteries ready for when the initial battery dies.
Lastly is there any follow up maintenance requirement for the unit?
Technically, the Wang or the FLEET units should have a life similar to that of a reliable refrigerator. Ten years or more of lighting LED's should not be a problem. Some engineers are even talking about having dual units to light twice as many LED's. If the primary unit fails, the secondary will automatically take over and light the second batch of LED's. At the same time, an alert message will be displayed to the home owner and a maintenance message will be sent to the battery Company automatically.
Very well said rav154. The truth is almost exactly what you have written!
Heck, my Christmas tree led lights probably used 1/100 of my regular 70W bulb energy over the past 3 years and I don't need any FLEET(ing) Tseung blinkers! LOL.
cheers
chrisC
@Itseung: Unfortunately I don't have oscillos and other stuff like that just a (very) old multimeter, a toroid and a couple of wires^^, so I can't test anything unfortunately :'(
For now I only studie OU theory try to understand some concept, eventually post idea, etc. So nothing concret... this is good for self educating and learn science (OU or conventional, no matter).
For now I studied the Thane's BIIT and for a couple of days LCR resonnance, I have learned the resonance can be OU but requier a lot of tuning, High Q (quality factor), playing with power factor, three phases, etc, etc...
So to achieve OU with resonance is very difficult , the load detune the LRC resonance, low Q also destroy OU, saturation of the core destroy OU (this is why rotoverter is always pluged at 1/4 the initial voltage)...
Tesla quote: 8)
Quote“Tuning the Source to the Load needs"
This is know more conventionally as "Impedance Matching".
So the battery source is itself a load (when you try to selfloop, and even without seflooping the internal resistance vary, the battery is also compared with a huge C) that vary in the time causing detune your LCR... The device is somtimes OU and somtimes not depending on the tuning...
You can search over internet (I can't post here because it's to heavy...): the whole PDF it explain a lot of stuff about resonance OU... the name is " Combine.pdf "
This is why some members cannot replicate devices correctly... A minor change in parameter and your OU effect is destroyed, OU is very critical...
The main deal is how to stabilize the OU over the time and constantly changing parameter (maybe changing the main frequency in function of the load eg Tesla quote).
Hope it help for your research...
So you can be on the right road but requier a lot of attention (and tunning) of your part... A minor change and everything is destroyed... Good luck. ;D
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 14, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
You can search over internet (I can't post here because it's to heavy...): the whole PDF it explain a lot of stuff about resonance OU... the name is " Combine.pdf "
Presumably you mean this:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Combine.pdf
Yes, perfectly, this site have also a lot of information over divers systems/ inventions.
The Bedini Technology Conference
http://pesn.com/2010/11/23/9501730_Bedini_Renaissance_Conference_a_turning_point/
Apparently, that conference was a big success. They also ran a hands-on workshop to show people how to build a monopole device that demonstrated COP >1. The thing missing in that conference was a convincing theory as to where the extra energy came from.
The Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory is the perfect solution.
Bedini is a looney :)
Dear Mr. Itseung,
Curious about one of which Wang Shen Ho built a prototype 5KW magnet motor some years ago it was fully tested by Chinese Government.
Found this over at peswiki, so is this for real??
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Wang_Shum_Ho_Generator#December_10.2C_2010
Or is this device also CLASSIFIED TOP-SECRET by Government.
Any progress on manufacturing or the factory is still under construction?
Please let us know.
Quote from: kampen on December 15, 2010, 11:19:19 AM
Dear Mr. Itseung,
Curious about one of which Wang Shen Ho built a prototype 5KW magnet motor some years ago it was fully tested by Chinese Government.
Found this over at peswiki, so is this for real??
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Wang_Shum_Ho_Generator#December_10.2C_2010
Or is this device also CLASSIFIED TOP-SECRET by Government.
Any progress on manufacturing or the factory is still under construction?
Please let us know.
Please read reply 1420
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266584#msg266584
Pure Magnetic motor with no battery?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
Wang Shenhe now has a potential competitor?
It has a battery CLOWN you can hear the logic BEEP and the RELAY click when he turns it on.
Use your ears CLOWN.
He's a scam artist just like you are a CLOWN.
The Conclusive Experiments The Almighty answers sincere prayers. I have now identified qualified individuals and organizations to do the Conclusive Experiments. The list of planned "conclusive" experiments may include:
1. Four or more tuning fork resonance experiments - conclusively demonstrate that energy from air is brought-in at resonance.
2. The pulsing pendulum - conclusively demonstrate that graviational energy is brought-in with the right pulsing frequency and amplitude.
3. The magnetic pulsing pendulum - conclusively demonstrate that magnetic energy is brought-in with better control.
4. The singing resonating transformer or toroid - conclusively demonstrate that magnetic energy can be brought-in at low frequency.
5. The pulse rotating wheel - conclusively demonstrate that the oscillation or vibration can be replaced by pulse rotation for greater efficiency. ( The Bedini wheel may be our example. Sterling Allen is familiar with that device.)
6. The flux change device (FLEET or Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer) - conclusively demonstrate that the Instantaneous Output Power is greater than the Instantaneous Power. COP can be much greater than 1. Best prototype has COP > 200 with careful tuning and feedback.
Experiment 1 and 4 are inspired by Observer.
Here are the details of Experiment 1
Quote
Conclusive Experiments to show that Energy from the surrounding can be lead-out or brought-in.
Experiment 1 â€" Four or more Tuning Forks in resonance
Proposed by: Lawrence Tseung Date: December 15, 2010
Performed by: ??? Date: ???
Objective:
1. To show that the sound produced by two or more identical tuning forks on resonance boxes is louder and lasts longer than that from a single tuning fork.
2. If true, ask the question â€" where does the extra sound energy come from?
3. Can the extra sound energy come from the kinetic energy of the air molecules?
4. Is it possible for the first vibrating tuning fork to lead-out the kinetic energy of the air molecules because it changes the random motion to an ordered pulse?
5. Is it possible that the correct explanation of sound resonance is as follows:
A vibrating or oscillating source can induce ordered motion of the air molecules. The ordered motion can use the kinetic energy inherent in the air molecules to do useful work â€" such as sympathetically vibrate the second, the third, etc tuning forks.
Equipment needed:
Basic â€" Four identical tuning forks mounted on separate resonance boxes, a striking hammer, a sound recorder or video camera, a clock or stop watch
Optional â€" Microphone connected to Oscilloscope for visual display, decibel meter, data logger and computer for comparative analysis.
Procedure:
1. Place the first tuning fork alone in a quiet room. Strike it with the hammer. Record the loudness and duration of the sound. The sound recorder or video camera should be placed approximately 50 centimeters from the tuning fork.
2. If a video camera were used, it should show the readings on a clock so that the entire duration of the experiment can be accurately timed and displayed.
3. If an Oscilloscope is available, do screen capture of the waveform. Send the information to a data logger and computer for comparative analysis. This is the reference curve.
4. Repeat steps 1-3 at least 3 times to average out the difference due to different striking force.
5. Place a second tuning fork next to the first tuning fork. Adjust the distance and the orientation until the loudest sound is heard. Then repeat steps 1-4 with the video camera placed approximately 50 centimeters form the first tuning fork.
6. Compared the loudness and time duration of the sound produced in the two cases.
7. Repeat steps 1-6 with the third, fourth, etc. tuning forks.
Comments:
1. The minimum order from a manufacturer in China is 20 sets. Each set consists of one tuning fork, one resonance box and one hammer. Four sets are sufficient for this experiment. However, it is a good idea to do a demonstration of all 20 sets in a quiet room. That quiet room may act as a resonance chamber.
2. Once we agree on the details of the above experiment including who will do it; when to do it; where to do it; how to maintain it and how to distribute the 20 sets etc, we can order the units from the manufacturer. The quoted price was US$200 including shipping costs. That amount of money has already been raised by Todd.
3. The significance of this experiment is to conclusively demonstrate that the additional tuning forks will produce louder and longer sounds.
4. These louder and longer sounds will require additional energy other than that from striking the first tuning fork.
5. Mr. Lawrence Tseung hypothesized that the additional energy comes from the kinetic energy of the air molecules. The vibration of the first tuning fork “pulse orders†the random motion of the molecules so that these molecules strike the other tuning forks at their resonance frequency. Such action is similar to pushing a swing. If the pushing or pulsing frequency is correct, the swing will go higher. If the frequency is not correct, the swing will not go much higher.
6. Mr. Lawrence Tseung hypothesized that the tuning fork itself is already an energy loopback system. When it pushes air in one direction, the compressed air will help to push it back to the other direction. (The stiffness of the fork is another important factor.) For resonance systems, the amplitude of oscillation or vibration will rise exponentially at or near resonance. This phenomenon can be explained easily if we assume that there is additional energy coming into the system.
7. If the initial energy of the system is 1 and 0.X percentage units of energy are brought-in. On successive feedbacks, the energy of the system will rise as (1+0.X)*(1+0.X)*(1+0.X)….
8. Thus the lead-out or bring-in energy theory can explain the exponential rise in amplitude near or at resonance.
9. If the phenomenon of tuning fork resonance is due to bringing-in of additional energy from the environment, can we extend the same concept to electrical circuit (e.g. LCR) resonance?
10. In the case of electromagnetism, magnetic effects can be produced by an orbiting electron around the nucleus. This is known as a magnetic dipole. Such dipoles have energy but are normally orientated in random directions. If some order is induced, is it possible to lead-out or bring-in such electromagnetic energy?
Thus if Experiment 1 is conclusive, the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory may be correct. The theory is called Lee-Tseung because Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, a retired missile expert from China, and Mr. Lawrence Tseung were the first ones to understand this and used the term lead-out energy in their PCT patent applications in 2005.
Additional Comments on Experiment 1
E1. This experiment can be done by any secondary school student in any part of the World. It is easy to replicate. There can be no room for hoax. The debunkers and insulters cannot possibly attack the validity of the experiment and the results.
E2. The experiment itself is simple. The implication is immense. If the result is as predicted â€" the sound is louder and lasts longer with additional tuning forks - that will mean more sound energy. Where does this extra energy come from?
E3. The Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory may be correct. The kinetic energy of air molecules is brought-in. If this is conclusive, it will change the entire teaching of resonance in Physics. No one previously has proposed that extra energy will come into the system at resonance.
Have you read my post about resonance ? The main problem with resonance extraction is when you place a load R, the Q factor decrease, so the resonance is damped because R increase.
When a transformer or a coil is loaded L decrease (coz Lenz Law), even if well tuned at Fo. The big deal is how to extract power without disrupting the Q factor.
This is why conventional scientist said is impossible to extract power from resonance: the load R disrupt Fo and decrease the Q factor (so called overvoltage factor). Q factor is an energy amplification or your "Lead-Out energy" no matter.
Super conducting coil (R=0) can be the solution but they are very expensive and need constant cooling, (the energy can be took on the resonance extraction.)
Your tuning forks idea is not wrong but not true also, I have read on Wikipedia tuning forks have a Q of 1000 !!! this is exceptional.
But try to put a load (R) at one tuning fork by touching it with your hand.
The Q is literally destroyed and your tuning fork doesn't vibrate anymore...
End of story, no energy "created"...
The kinetic theory of gases in motion model
The following diagrams are extracted from the paper and experiments done some years ago and are still available on the Internet at:
http://goldfield123.freehomepage.com/Lawrence3.htm
The top picture shows a simplified stationary gas model. In this model, the gas molecules are NOT stationary but move in all directions. Statistically, there are equal numbers moving in the six directions. Thus there is no motion. In the simplified model, all gas molecules have the same velocity. The imaginary cube contains 60 molecules.
The bottom picture shows a simplified moving gas model. In this model, all gas molecules maintain the same velocity. Thus the total kinetic energy will be the same. However, more gas molecules move in the +X direction. The imaginary cube still contains 60 molecules.
Both pictures show the same total kinetic energy of the gas molecules. However, the lower picture can do work as the net momentum in the +X direction is higher than that in the â€"X direction.
We can also say that the molecules in the bottom picture are more “ordered†than those in the top picture. In the proposed Tseung Hypothesis on Sound Resonance in air, the first tuning fork “orders†the random motion of the air molecules so that a pulsing force can be exerted on the second, third, etc. tuning forks. The ordering will requires some energy but this energy can be much less than what the bottom picture can provide as work. (In Physics, work is equal to force x displacement and can be thought of as energy spent.)
The energy in pulsing the second, third, etc tuning forks comes from the “order†motion of the air molecules. This is the essence of the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy theory. No Laws of Physics has been violated.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 16, 2010, 07:10:17 AM
Have you read my post about resonance ? The main problem with resonance extraction is when you place a load R, the Q factor decrease, so the resonance is damped because R increases…….
Your tuning forks idea is not wrong but not true also, I have read on Wikipedia tuning forks have a Q of 1000 !!! this is exceptional.
But try to put a load (R) at one tuning fork by touching it with your hand.
The Q is literally destroyed and your tuning fork doesn't vibrate anymore...
End of story, no energy "created"???
Dear SchubertReijiMaigo,
This is actually the beginning of the story! The Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory deals with how to extract the lead-out energy close to or at resonance without destroying the resonance condition!
Many inventors failed in this particular attempt. Some succeeded. My coming conclusive experiments will verified that.
Keep thinking and posting your constructive comments. You do not have to agree now. But the coming experimental result that two or more tuning forks will sound louder and longer than when one is struck will be confirmed. It is just a matter of sorting out the logistics now.
You may be able to purchase 4 tuning forks with resonance boxes in your Country easily. If so, do the experiment. Experiments do not lie.
Schubart,
Thanks for your input.
There is a non-linear effect on power output of a transformer when it is resonating (even with a load)
An LED has proved this. (it will not light.. except when the transformer is resonating)
(or burns out the LEDs at this frequency)
The easiest way to light a CFL with a Joule Thief that won't light a CFL...
is to use the output of the Joule Thief
to resonate an Ignition Coil.
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LT,
Singing Transformers... now we're talking.
Perhaps we can get a few together to sing a Christmas Carol or two. ;O)
---> "Joy to the World" comes to mind. <---
Best Regards,
The Observer
Thank you very much, but I'am not saying this is impossible to extract but I'am just try to explain why this difficult to extract, once again this is why many inventor/replicator can not replicate OU. OU is based on resonance but resonance is very critical...
I'am here only for a couple of month, at the start I haved little Scientific knowledge, and even at this time I have a lot to learn...
Before experimentating in situ I need to have solid theory and reproductible fact to avoid wasting money...
Unfortunately I can not spending $$$ in metglass core and have a failed experiment because lack of information and weird theory.
OU research is serious, she is based on conventional theory (without these law of thermodynamic, there are true in some case, see nano infrared solar panel this is a direct 2nd law violation...).
Good luck !!!
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 16, 2010, 04:00:44 AM
Additional Comments on Experiment 1 ....
E3. The Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory may be correct. ....
Correction: The Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory is delusion-ally correct and it's your clowning achievement!
cheers
chrisC
We people that are having fun joking on this thread must have into account that in this world we all get old and we will reap what we sow.
Hence sow knowledge and give positive help. At old age, reap the benefits.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on December 16, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
We people that are having fun joking on this thread must have into account that in this world we all get old and we will reap what we sow.
Hence sow knowledge and give positive help. At old age, reap the benefits.
Jesus
I hope when we get old, we don't get delusional and make clowns of ourselves. It's actually quite simple not to get into this situation. Only write what you can prove, don't write loads of garbage and don't claim what you are NOT! No one is going to be impressed with people (young and old) that opens their foolish mouths. Very simple indeed.
cheers
chrisC
World full of delusional CLOWNS !
That will be the end.
Good sceptisism about new theory is OK and necessary, closed minded and conservative attitude is not the path to take...
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 16, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
Good sceptisism about new theory is OK and necessary, closed minded and conservative attitude is not the path to take...
More comments on the new theory for you to think about:
E4. A tuning fork has two rods joined at the base. The two rods are actually doing sympathetic vibrations.
E5. Any vibrating object interacts with the bombarding air molecules. The vibration already leads-out or brings-in the molecular motion of the molecules by changing the random motion into pulse ordered motion. This means molecular motion energy is always brought-in. However, it is like pushing the swing. Only at resonance (or pushing at the right time) will the bringing-in of energy be clearly evident.
E6. As you commented, playing or tuning and then extracting energy at resonance is a very delicate thing. Not all resource starved inventors can achieve that. The good thing with the tuning fork experiment is that the experimenter does not make his own tuning fork. He just buys it precision-made. If all inventors have to make their own tuning forks, few will be able to show sympathetic vibrations.
Yes your are right tuning forks is a good way to study resonance, I know also sympathic resonance because I know music and play piano every days...
When you play a chord in the low octave and you play (you push delicately keyboard without singing the note) same note but at higher octave. They produce a sound (not a full power yet) by sympathic vibration. But no energy is created. Once again you MUST to search a way to extract this energy without destroying Fo and Q. The Q is the most important value this is your energetic amplication, you can modelize by a simple equation: Ein*Q = Eout.
The foxy trap is also you can have a very well tuned RLC and very low Q (high R component) so tuning at Fo is not the garanty to obtain OU...
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 16, 2010, 03:09:29 PM
E5. Any vibrating object interacts with the bombarding air molecules. The vibration already leads-out or brings-in the molecular motion of the molecules by changing the random motion into pulse ordered motion. This means molecular motion energy is always brought-in. However, it is like pushing the swing. Only at resonance (or pushing at the right time) will the bringing-in of energy be clearly evident.
Isn't this a second law violation?
clown hahahah
Quote from: utilitarian on December 16, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
Isn't this a second law violation?
There is no Second Law violation. The sound resonance environment is OPEN. Theoretically, the sound wave can travel around the World. Theoretically, any air molecule can travel into the sound resonance environment.
In my research of information, I have found the "Kwang-jeek Lee" patent.
It explain how to extract LCR energy without disrupting Fo and Q amplification.
Everything is said in this patent, read also " Combine.pdf " everything is said also about resonance high Q, cooling down device, infos for Rotoverter (Resonant motor) etc. The deal may be here.
I hope in several years we can make Ambiant temp Superconducting Coil (R=0). Those crap can have a high Q (Q is infinite in this case) in any load and extract a lot of power...
This is different of your FLEET but it can give ideas, this technology is not marketable (because of the patent) but can be very good for personal/experimental/fun stuff.
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 16, 2010, 07:35:55 PM
In my research of information, I have found the "Kwang-jeek Lee" patent.
It explain how to extract LCR energy without disrupting Fo and Q amplification.
Everything is said in this patent, read also " Combine.pdf " everything is said also about resonance high Q, cooling down device, infos for Rotoverter (Resonant motor) etc. The deal may be here.
I hope in several years we can make Ambiant temp Superconducting Coil (R=0). Those crap can have a high Q (Q is infinite in this case) in any load and extract a lot of power...
This is different of your FLEET but it can give ideas, this technology is not marketable (because of the patent) but can be very good for personal/experimental/fun stuff.
Please read Patrick Kelly's excellent on-line book:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
It is a "must-read" in this alternative energy field.
Mr. Hung Wang Jong has suceeded in building a lead out device.
It puts out at least 25Kw and it follows the lines of the FLEET FLOAT and FREE energy technique.
All you need to do to get one is to buy a small clown and give it the name tag "Lawrence Tseung" make a picture and post it here.
THen you will be contacted by Mr. Ping Wang Hu and he will tell you how to proceed.
Dear XS-NRG, have you tested the FLEET (or any FE devices you want ) and why you have failed ?
Have some theorical knwoledge about Resonance (or any other effect) ? Are you an electrician engineer?
Explain why FE devices you have replicated don't work, have you the whole information to create OU with resonance effect, I have said resonance is very critical and sometimes the inventor itself cannot duplicate the device...
(Yes the majority are scam artist but the majority not the whole).
So why you said is impossible ?
1) Because of weird Termodynamic laws.
2) Because you have tested with lack of knowledge and failed.
3) Because you have tested with full knowledge of the effect and failed.
4) You don't tested but studied in the paper the whole effect.
So is the answer is 1 and 2, you just trolling in this forum.
If the answer is 4, you must be sceptic but open minded sceptic (this is my case)... And try to stay neutral...
IF and only IF the answer is 3 you have the whole right to critic this devices (or any FE devices you have failed)...
So try to send constructive post because posting clown is very funny and detend the atmosphere but this is not a valid argument to disprove FLEET devices (or any FE devices you want).
So I am not against you, but I am not against any FE devices inventor on this forum. I 'am researching only the TRUTH... That cost nothing on my life...
Hope you don't take this message badly.
Regards.
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 17, 2010, 05:20:26 AM
So try to send constructive post because posting clown is very funny and detend the atmosphere but this is not a valid argument to disprove FLEET devices (or any FE devices you want).
How are you going to disprove the FLEET? You are new to Lawrence, but I can tell you exactly how things will go. Any experiment you do that results in a negative finding - the answer is going to be that you did not do the experiment correctly.
The only people that have ever gotten overunity out of Lawrence's devices are him and his "associates", who are of course working on top secret projects for the Chinese government, so they cannot demonstrate their work, but said work should undoubtedly be available on the market "in a few months". This has been the story for years, and will be so for years to come, so long as Lawrence is able to keep typing on his computer.
Lawrence claims that a simple pendulum is a free energy device. That is his most fundamental and easily tested claim. Yet no one, in all these years, has ever gotten free energy out of a pendulum (not even Lawrence, he merely has a math formula, and it's good enough for him). Would you like to try? You have to stimulate the pendulum at exactly the right time. No free energy? Well, you just didnt swing it right.
Go ahead, ask him about his pendulum claims.
@Utilitarian
Lawrence does have value in being the villiage idiot of the forum, like the comic strip in the newspaper. I am still waiting for those UFO's to show.
However I think he is a nice person and has a passion for this. He may be deluded but hats of for enthusiasm. I think it is a matter or tollerence rather than right or wrong...plus the laughs i get I would miss him
Mark
This thread is now for clowns only. :)
This means if you post here, you will become a clown :)
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Lawrence,
If you are willing (and the unit can handle the travel without breaking) to ship one of the FLEET units for review, I can work with you to optimize the output of the unit, as I have worked with researchers on resonance technologies, though none are willing to release the technology…...
The two oscilloscopes at AFRRI could be used for the demo since we have them on site. I could videotape a demo once a configuration successfully produces a sufficient COP of your choosing. Once all tests/demos have been conducted, the unit would either be promptly returned to you, or shipped elsewhere to a location of your choosing. You are welcome to post information online stating that 'MAJ Todd Hathaway from AFRRI (Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute) is investigating your technology and will publish the results', though I suggest waiting until desirable results have been independently confirmed on our end and COP results approved for release on your end before publicly posting anything.......
We also have interested parties recommended by Sterling Allen and from the University of California.
The Almighty is guiding my every step. Amen.
;D :D :o
More on Experiment 1
The minimum shipment from China will have 20 sets. Each set will have a tuning fork, a resonance box and a hammer. Four units is sufficient to demonstrate conclusively that two or more tuning forks will sound louder and longer than when one is struck alone.
The cost of one minimum shipment including shipping cost from China to USA is USD200. Any secondary physics student is capable of performing the experiment. At the end of the test with 20 sets, we can split the equipment 5 ways. Each will have 4 sets to do and replicate the conclusive experiment.
Some of the logistics problems are â€" who will do the first experiment? Who will confirm with the 4 sets? Should we wait for the details of the other conclusive experiments before action?
The value of the experiment is not the material, the set up or the procedure. The value is the implication. Where does the extra sound energy come from?
At this moment in time, there can be the following hypothesis or comments:
1. The extra sound energy must come from the striking of the first tuning fork. The presence of second, third, etc tuning forks just enhances the efficiency. No extra energy comes from the environment.
2. There is an Unrecognized Source of Energy (USE). Scientists have not identified it yet.
3. There is energy from the vacuum. (Tom Bearden proposal)
4. The extra energy comes from the Kinetic Energy of the air molecules. Any vibrating or oscillating object is theoretically capable of providing order to the molecules in random motion. The ordered molecules can then do work. (Tseung hypothesis).
The forum members are encouraged to propose more constructive comments. Any new theory will take time and repeatable experimentation to get acceptance. In Physics, any hypothesis that does not violate any known Laws of Physics should be considered as probable and must not be dismissed.
The Almighty has pointed us to a very simple but conclusive experiment. Amen.
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 17, 2010, 05:20:26 AM
Dear XS-NRG, ..
So I am not against you, but I am not against any FE devices inventor on this forum. I 'am researching only the TRUTH... That cost nothing on my life...
Hope you don't take this message badly.
Regards.
@SchubertReijiMaigo
As a relative newcomer to this thread, I think you have a great heart and good manners. But I hope you won't read through this 100 pages and God forbid the previous 400 Pendulum thread pages to find out the 'truth' about Mr. Tseung.
All said, I completely agree with MarkD that Lawrence is a nice guy albeit strangely deluded. For whatever reasons, he can't ever say he's wrong and continues on the path of self delusion.
Therefore, please don't take this too seriously, just think of it as your daily dose of humor. It's the season to be Thankful for all things, even deluded humor.
cheers
chrisC
You can always decide to become a Clown :) :)
Nice people at the Senior Center
They even want to take pictures with Santa and ask for Christmas Gifts.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Dear All,
Thank you to Maj. Todd Hathaway. I just received the check of USD600 to start the ball rolling. Experiment 1 will cost USD200 but there will be 20 sets of tuning forks. Experiment 1 does not need to have much technical expertise. Nothing needs to be built. It is a matter of careful experimentation and recording.
In reality, 4 sets is sufficient to conclusively demonstrate that the sound produced by 2 or more tuning forks sound louder and longer than when one is struck alone.
I propose that this particular experiment to be done by Maj. Todd Hathaway with the full 20 sets. Afterwards, he can split them into 5 groups of 4 sets each. Others can then do additional confirmation. I fully expect this Experiment 1 to be highly successful.
There is some discussion on whether to do this Experiment 1 now or wait until all the "conclusive experiments" have been drafted for review. My personal feel is to do Experiment 1 now. Your comments will be appreciated.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 09:31:23 PM
Dear All,
Thank you to Maj. Todd Hathaway....
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Well, it is no wonder the U.S Government is in such deep $ sh** ! Giving away free money to delusional folks to buy Chinese made tuning forks! God help us.
cheers
chrisC
you probably should blur out the account # atleast..
robbie
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 09:31:23 PM
In reality, 4 sets is sufficient to conclusively demonstrate that the sound produced by 2 or more tuning forks sound louder and longer than when one is struck alone.
Lawrence
I would agree to above.
-----------------------------------------
On other hand why did you drop your "OU" toroids and switched to tunning forks?
Pulsed DC transformer, then triple wounded JT + "OU" output, now tunning forks? ...
Watch out for those people coming back for their money once you'll fail to deliver on your end of the bargain...
Next time you will run into 2 scopes make a VIDEO with all cables and scopes visible at once so we could verify your claims.
Minde
Quote from: kooler on December 17, 2010, 09:44:57 PM
you probably should blur out the account # atleast..
robbie
Lawrence:
I agree with Robbie, re-post the check photo with the important numbers blocked out. If your photo software can't do it then just use some strips of paper.
Bill
And so, my fellow Over Unity members: ask not what your clown can do for you - ask what you can do for your clown.
Quote from: Poit on December 17, 2010, 10:51:29 PM
And so, my fellow Over Unity members: ask not what your clown can do for you - ask what you can do for your clown.
Hahaha. Good one. Our clown keeps on entertaining us!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 17, 2010, 10:29:47 PM
Lawrence:
I agree with Robbie, re-post the check photo with the important numbers blocked out. If your photo software can't do it then just use some strips of paper.
Bill
This is an important historic check. I want the Chinese Government Officials to see it in its entirety. Some of these Officials suspected me as a “spy†before. Now they see me as this “crazy scientist who posts what he knows on the Internet and believes that he is guided by the Almightyâ€.
Me, my family and my friends are now “left alone†but my posts are carefully monitored. In the open experiments, I shall be working closely with the US Government and its scientists. The Chinese Government is in fact giving an implicit nod in this highly sensitive and political technology.
You and your team insist that your Joule Thief devices are not overunity. I and my team believe our oscilloscopes and our Christmas Trees â€" now lighting 216 LEDs. We shall be performing the conclusive experiments in cooperation with the US scientists. The Christmas Tree is likely to be one of the exhibits. Would you like to supply one of yours as the exhibit?
God will protect us from all Evil if our hearts are devoted to benefit the World
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
I want the Chinese Government Officials to see it in its entirety. Some of these Officials suspected me as a “spy†before. Now they see me as this “crazy scientist who posts what he knows on the Internet and believes that he is guided by the Almightyâ€.
Me, my family and my friends are now “left alone†but my posts are carefully monitored. In the open experiments, I shall be working closely with the US Government and its scientists. The Chinese Government is in fact giving an implicit nod in this highly sensitive and political technology.
We shall be performing the conclusive experiments in cooperation with the US scientists. {b] God will protect us from all Evil if our hearts are devoted to benefit the World [/b]
Wow that was a load of ... your a not as much clown as you are insane man.
US Government and US Scientists you say... you guys better start working on that 100KW unit soon... poor hungry african people cant wait.. ok? 8)
Also once you settle in Government Labs pm me I'll come for demonstration. (just use secure connection so chinese can't track you down)
Minde
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
... Some of these Officials suspected me as a “spy†before. Now they see me as this “crazy scientist .... I shall be working closely with the US Government and its scientists. The Chinese Government is in fact giving an implicit nod in this highly sensitive and political technology.
...
Crazy 'Scientist'? Crazy perhaps but scientist, er. definitely NO!
Are we going to see you do the Will Smith part in the new movie ...'Men in Yellow'?
I'm looking forward to that.
cheers
chrisC
"We are the men in yellow!
Our trucks have over unity!
My devices are designed with simplicity!
I care not for insults as God and I are mellow!
Because..........
We are the men in yellow!
Hell!! even my bed has an over unity pillow!!"
Clown in yellow ;D
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 05:40:47 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
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Quote from: ltseung888 on December 17, 2010, 05:40:47 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Thank you Lawrence. We wish you a very merry Christmas and a HNY too. Seriously. I took an hour today to compose and dedicate this Jingle Bells song to you since you've given me so much fun and laughter this past few years. I hope you'll enjoy it.
Sung to the tune of Jingle Bells :
A day or two ago
A Hathaway came through
O’er the check in hand
Falling off his chair
He was shocked indeed
Six hundred bucks’n all!
Enuff to buy tuning forks to
Prove Over Unity
Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to know
that Lawrence’s is our clown
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to know
that Lawrence here to stay
Leading out his claims
Government spies on his trail
O’er his claims we comb
It’s crapping all the way
Making UFO’s
Delusions and more
What fun it is to laugh and sing
At a deluded Lawrence Tseung
Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to know
that Lawrence’s is our clown, hey
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to know
that Lawrence here to stay!
cheers
chrisC
ps: Please don't end your show!
@ chrisC: Thank you for you comment and your kindness.
@ XS-NRG: No, I don't want to become a clown, that why I 'am very sceptic about any FE claims.
@ Itseung: Even if your tuninng fork experiment is true, you can not extract this energy anymay...
In RLC resonance this is a little different, you can extract a portion without totally disrupt Q and Fo, even if the PF = 0 at primary side, (to magnetize a coil you need current only... but the varying magnetic field induce an EMF a secondary side (Faradays Laws).
The advantage is the primary and secondary is not coupled electricaly but magneticly ( a kind of medium ), all the power is transmited by a varying EMF...
Why you try to prove OU with tuning forks, you can't extract anything with this, sorry but XS-NRG are true here, same thing with a pendulum, why you want to prove OU with gravitational/pendulum effect ? The best is to read Eric Laithwaite theory about gyroscope, see reactionless drive also with Google. I think this is a more serious way to prove/disprove OU with gravity/inertia/pendulum effect...
The resonance extraction is possible ? If not why a thread with hundred of pages about Kapanadze exist... I have (quikly saw this device) it seems it use HV and resonate capacitor to magnify the power, with the Hv you have pure voltage with low current, so Fo and Q is not disrupted when you load the usefull 230 Volts at secondary side. Testatika is exatcly the same thing, the wheel produce HV pulse and resonate with the "leyden jar" (Capa) a trafo can be used to convert resonant pulse into usefull 230 Volts without once again disrupting Fo and Q...
Sorry for long post and also Merry Christmas for all and good holydays !!!
Schubart,
I appreciate your posts.
1. Before giving too much attention to XS and Chris, I implore you to take a stroll through the entirety of each member's posts.
You will find 2 very disingenuous contributors to this forum.
(Ok Chris, I do like your Jingle... but only because it is creative.)
2. About the tuning forks.
Because of sympathetic vibration and feedback ... two tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
I noticed/comprehended this... and made the statement about ' louder and longer '.
After everyone, cept LT, gave their "that's Bull Shit " reaction, the dictionary's definition was posted by a kind member.
The Dictionary says...
5. Acoustic Resonance - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially of Musical Tone, Produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
The dictionary clearly supports the observation.
That is.. that Sound Energy is Amplified.
LT likes putting together interesting demos which attempt to prove USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy),
that is why he is working on this.
3. When applying this phenomenon to a transformer, you will notice a VERY sharp increase in power output at resonance.
I can light a 3 V LED on the step down side of an audio transformer with a 1.5V battery ! (like 10 to 1 step down)
Remember that all frequencies DO NOT work, except one... where you will find a non-linear effect on the output.
---------
If you are skeptical about the tuning forks... please suggest an experiment that would let one know if --> Sound is Being Amplified.
LT would be happy to perform it with the forks he is purchasing.
Best Regards,
The Observer
You will become a clown when you post in this thread so be aware :)
Quote from: The Observer on December 18, 2010, 11:57:01 AM
Schubart,
I appreciate your posts.
1. Before giving too much attention to XS and Chris, I implore you to take a stroll through the entirety of each member's posts.
You will find 2 very disingenuous contributors to this forum.
(Ok Chris, I do like your Jingle... but only because it is creative.)
2. About the tuning forks.
Because of sympathetic vibration and feedback ... two tuning forks ring louder and longer than 1.
I noticed/comprehended this... and made the statement about ' louder and longer '.
After everyone, cept LT, gave their "that's Bull Shit " reaction, the dictionary's definition was posted by a kind member.
The Dictionary says...
5. Acoustic Resonance - An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially of Musical Tone, Produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
The dictionary clearly supports the observation.
That is.. that Sound Energy is Amplified.
LT likes putting together interesting demos which attempt to prove USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy),
that is why he is working on this.
3. When applying this phenomenon to a transformer, you will notice a VERY sharp increase in power output at resonance.
I can light a 3 V LED on the step down side of an audio transformer with a 1.5V battery ! (like 10 to 1 step down)
Remember that all frequencies DO NOT work, except one... where you will find a non-linear effect on the output.
---------
If you are skeptical about the tuning forks... please suggest an experiment that would let one know if --> Sound is Being Amplified.
LT would be happy to perform it with the forks he is purchasing.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Dear Observer,
We now have a group willing to do actual experiments. The group includes at least myself, Maj. Todd Hathaway, Sterling Allen, Dr. Steven Jones etc. Maj. Todd Hathaway started the ball rolling by sending me a check of USD600.
I would like to include your transformer resonance test as one of the conclusive experiments. Would you like to head and coordinate that particular experiment? You can use the similar format as my experiment 1.
You can send me private email to ltseung@hotmail.com or if you prefer, just post your instructions in this forum.
Thank you in advance,
Lawrence
You will become a Clown if you do that :)
QuoteYou will become a clown when you post in this thread so be aware :)
I'll take care of that... ;D
LT,
1. Resonating a Transformer is pretty easy.
I used a simple oscillating circuit, but I believe a Joule Thief could would make a more efficient oscillator.
However, I will put together a description and circuit diagram of my experiment that I am referring to.
2. I am currently doing a test on the Captret.
It appears to be something you might want to add to your bag of 'clown' tricks. ;o)~
a. The case (top) of an Electrolytic Capacitor becomes a 3rd hook-up. ( called o )
b. Charge the Capacitor with a battery. (I am using a 1.5 V battery) to + and - of Capacitor. (leave it hooked up)
c. Hook voltmeter up to - of Cap and o of Cap (the 3rd hook-up).
d. Observe Voltage and Current. (Voltage settles to ~ .2 V on my setup)
e. Test to see if any current is coming from the battery while #c/#d is running.
f. Observe Current & Voltage from Captret Hook-up ( - to o ) while no Current is drawn from the Battery (which maintains a constant voltage).
It is very interesting.
I believe a static electric field is set up that moves electrons for free between the - plate and the case, o.
Best Regards,
The Observer
@ChrisC
thank you for the song you composed. I have been teaching it to my 31/2year old daughter and its a hoot to here here sing it (with my help)
Todd has been a generous man supporting different projects over the years, but not one to have done his own research. I am happy for him and happy for lawernce.
I am very curious what government labs will be used in the USA.
PS drop me an email markdansie@bigpond.com I would like to catch up and update you on some interesting projects. I didnt get back to the USA this year but will soon. Perhaps a Skype call.
@Lawrence
I sincerly offer you best xmas wishes to you Lawrence as I admire your passion and persistance, you are a good person. However I must disagree with your conclusions.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on December 18, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
@ChrisC
thank you for the song you composed. I have been teaching it to my 31/2year old daughter and its a hoot to here here sing it (with my help)
Todd has been a generous man supporting different projects over the years, but not one to have done his own research. I am happy for him and happy for lawernce.
I am very curious what government labs will be used in the USA.
PS drop me an email markdansie@bigpond.com I would like to catch up and update you on some interesting projects. I didnt get back to the USA this year but will soon. Perhaps a Skype call.
@Lawrence
I sincerly offer you best xmas wishes to you Lawrence as I admire your passion and persistance, you are a good person. However I must disagree with your conclusions.
Kind Regards
Mark
@MarkD
Thanks. I hope your young daughter isn't going to have nightmares about Lawrence every time she hears the Jingle Bell song at school! Jokes aside, I think Lawrence is a really nice guy and I really don't hold anything against him or for that matter anyone else, Observer included. After all, we are all entitled to our opinions in a free society.
Hey, maybe when you do visit the Bay Area and Lawrence is still living in Irvine, I'll drive you down and we can take him out for dinner? Maybe by then he may have found a breakthrough we mortals are clueless about!
Please keep in touch and everyone on this Forum have a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: markdansie on December 18, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
@Lawrence
However I must disagree with your conclusions.
Kind Regards
Mark
HAAHAAAAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D ;D ;D
A good suggestion to consider
I was at the spa dreaming about the louder and longer tune with multiple tuning forks. It would be a simple, conclusive experiment that can be done by the average high school physics student. It will be a big triumph for the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory.
Then I saw a rainbow. (It does rain in sunny California from time to time). It has the seven colors. The following thought started racing in my head. Can the different conclusive experiments be done by different groups?
The obvious answer is YES. They are all independent. The combined results of one or two will show a new revelation. For example, the sound resonance Experiment 1 when combined with the singing resonance transformer or toroid will conclusively show huge increase in Output Power. That occurs in one low sound frequency range…..
Thus I shall outline all the “conclusive experiments†as I conceive them at present as soon as possible. Some may be done earlier than others. The trump card can actually be played first. The 9 FLEET prototypes are just sitting in my bedroom without doing any good to the World at present. I can easily define that experiment next and get some groups to do that verification and confirmation at the same time as Experiment 1.
In reality, I shall not be doing any of the experiments myself. They are all “confirmation†experiments. There is no point in “confirming†them myself.
The rainbow gave me great inspiration. Is that a message from the Almighty?
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 18, 2010, 08:11:10 PM
In reality, I shall not be doing any of the experiments myself. They are all “confirmation†experiments. There is no point in “confirming†them myself.
The rainbow gave me great inspiration. Is that a message from the Almighty?
How about you make a VIDEO of your working device so you would get much more attention to all this. It would be much more believable and inspiring than a couple of edited photos. I wanna see input side and output side phases of voltage vs current in real time.
You have never delivered any solid proof nor any of your "buddies" did.
Minde
look at the
THERMOACOUSTIC RESONATOR (TAR) (http://www.io.com/~frg/tar.htm)
http://www.io.com/~frg/history.htm (http://www.io.com/~frg/history.htm)
and this one
Quote
This is one of the FRG series of low temperature TAR resonators (Model TAR1999). It amplifies the acoustic wave by 400%, with a thermal efficiency of 23%. The thermal input is 60 Watts from an electric cartridge heat element, the acoustic input is 4 Watts and the AC electrical output is 15 Watts at 3460 Hz, using air as the working fluid, at 4 atm. pressure.
Quote from: minde4000 on December 19, 2010, 01:20:41 AM
How about you make a VIDEO of your working device so you would get much more attention to all this. It would be much more believable and inspiring than a couple of edited photos. I wanna see input side and output side phases of voltage vs current in real time.
You have never delivered any solid proof nor any of your "buddies" did.
Minde
Thank you for the suggestion. I personally purchased 6 oscilloscopes (3 sets) when I was in Hong Kong. One set is with Dr. Raymond Ting, one set is with Tong Po Chi and another set is with Aaron Quant. Any of them can produce the video with working prototypes. They all can build the FLEET prototypes from scratch.
Before I left Hong Kong, the strategy was to work with Hong Kong University. Thus we ran two workshops there. The professors would like to do a thorough academic evaluation. They already warned us that the evaluation process will take months if not years.
They are afraid of being labeled “working on the impossible perpetual motion machineâ€.We discussed the issue of producing a video at that time. The feeling was that any video could be edited and accused as a fake. The oscilloscope experiments cannot possibly lie. The plan is to get one or more reputable Organizations in USA to verify the results with their own oscilloscopes. That will be much more conclusive. TV stations will do full programs and there will be no doubt on the validity of the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy technology.
Now we have the US Government (via Maj. Todd Hathaway) starting to get involved. I fully expect that the many top Universities will join in. The feeling from my team is that if Stanford, MIT or UCLA in USA come out and verify the results, the World will accept the technology. The Hong Kong University Professors agreed to that.
I expect Dr. Steven Chu, the US secretary of Energy, will get involved at some suitable stage. Thus I brought eight working prototypes to USA. With my presence in USA, any number of working prototypes can be built. Hunting for resonance is tricky but with an experienced hand who has done dozens before, it is not an impossible task.
May be that is the reason that the Almighty sends me to USA.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 19, 2010, 06:57:33 AM
.... The feeling was that any video could be edited and accused as a fake. The oscilloscope experiments cannot possibly lie. The plan is to get one or more reputable Organizations in USA to verify the results with their own oscilloscopes. That will be much more conclusive.
Pictures could be easily faked - videos require much more effort. Also we need to see ALL AT ONCE that means 100% of your device + wiring + probes/probe wires and scope screen text MUST be visible at all times. A single wire coming off of the screen will cause doubts and unecessary talks.
This is the way every device should be represented to general public in case of inventor is sincerely willing to share info educate and help others.
Devices with bunched up/or partially visible wires coming out from everywhere helps little...
Minde
Lawrence is a CLOWN ;D
he no gonna show anything he just keep talking masturbating at steven mark fame video thinking he will be the same one day and stealing other people inventions like he got something to do with it.
CLOWN.
Quote from: tagor on December 19, 2010, 01:54:37 AM
look at the
THERMOACOUSTIC RESONATOR (TAR) (http://www.io.com/~frg/tar.htm)
http://www.io.com/~frg/history.htm (http://www.io.com/~frg/history.htm)
So ts need 64 Watts to receive 15 Watts?
If the "Amplifier" need 60 watt heat energy
to transfer this additionalle to the Input, i see
not an sense...
The 60 bWats thermal energy will be lost
to become the output of 15 watts ???
Pese
Quote from: minde4000 on December 19, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
Pictures could be easily faked - videos require much more effort. Also we need to see ALL AT ONCE that means 100% of your device + wiring + probes/probe wires and scope screen text MUST be visible at all times. A single wire coming off of the screen will cause doubts and unecessary talks.
This is the way every device should be represented to general public in case of inventor is sincerely willing to share info educate and help others.
Devices with bunched up/or partially visible wires coming out from everywhere helps little...
Minde
Dear Minde,
You must have seen hundreds if not thousands of video on youtube claiming OU. I do not intend to be one of the many thousands.
We went to at least 4 Universities in Hong Kong. One of the top Professors (Head of Department) said, “You do not need to explain your technology to us any more. We understand it thoroughly. We can build the prototypes better than you. But you must understand the stigma of being labeled as â€" working on the impossible perpetual motion machine.â€
We now have a chance to work with the US Army Laboratory with the help from Maj. Todd Hathaway. There is a good chance to get UCI, University of Maryland or the like involved.
In my prayer, I pray for the scenario of having the Ambassador of China or Dr. Steven Chu, the US Energy Secretary to strike the first tuning fork and nineteen others will resonate in sympathetic vibration. A TV documentary of that and the lighting of the Christmas Trees by President Obama will bring smiles to my face. Such technology is available now. The humble yours truly can provide it.
So be patient. The absolute and conclusive proofs will come.
Blessed be the Almighty. He is working miracles in bringing the US and Chinese scientists and politicians to work together. The Energy Crisis of the World is over.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 19, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
The absolute and conclusive proof that i am a CLOWN will come.
dear oh dear,
Tseung talking of getting the likes of MIT & stanford involved, the US secretary of energy...and obama to light up the OU christmas tree.....and yet Tseung hasnt ( wont ? ) produce a video giving the flimsy reason of not wanting to be labeled a fraud ....and he still does not understand or comprehend that you CANNOT use peak-to-peak voltage measurements to "prove" OU.....he also does not seem to comprehend that LED's are non-linear as a "load".
i'd bang my head against a wall in frustration but Tseung would probbaly say that the vibrations are proof of a Resonant-lead-in-energy from the wall :-X
Tseung,
if you truely want to convince people that you really have something ( and you seem to want this ).......then produce a video or at least re-do your tests using something OTHER than LED's.....use a linear load,...... a high wattage resistor would do ( one that isnt going to heat up and change its resistance )
if you do this.,...then you may well get more people on your side
and please dont reply with the "i cant use anything other than LED's otherwise it changes the resonance".....thats a sure give-away that youre full of it.
do the test using a linear load, preferably using a FWBR going to a CAP with the load resistor across the cap to get pure DC wattage output..........then you may get somewhere........but all of this pissing around with non-linear LED's and peak-to-peak voltage measurements is just getting tiresome and just plain silly !
nope he has nothing but he is a clown :D
Well said rave154.
Minde
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 19, 2010, 06:57:33 AM
... Now we have the US Government (via Maj. Todd Hathaway) starting to get involved. I fully expect that the many top Universities will join in. The feeling from my team is that if Stanford, MIT or UCLA in USA come out and verify the results, the World will accept the technology. The Hong Kong University Professors agreed to that.
How can you be so simple minded? Surely, even a person with not much scientific background knows that Maj. Hathaway does not represent serious U.S Energy policies. There are many branches of scientific research programs funded by pork barrel politics and this may be one of them.
Also, have you also considered the similarity with Chinese custom when an establishment pays a third party some money so they stop 'bothering' them anymore. Have you considered this situation?
So, far you're like a dog begging for someone to throw you some good food but you have not shown conclusively you deserved it (because what you've 'invented' has more to do with lack of scientific understanding rather than truths) and all you got so far is a Hathaway bone to shut you up? Sorry to burst your bubble.
cheers
chrisC
@All,
Yes, overunity energy needs to be DC current dissipated in a resistive dummy load. Someone needs to
tell Steorn this. Even if we accept his circuit does indeed create overunity energy based on measurements
in the first place, how are we supposed to accept the fact that the circuity doesn't absorb that energy
back again later on in it's cycle? Show us the Beef. It's easy enough, if you have it.
:S:MarkSCoffman
The Tseung resonance theory of sound
Prof. T :â€I believe your hypothesis of sound is that the vibrating object modifies the random motion of the molecules into a pulsing order. The pulsing order leads-out or brings-in the molecular kinetic energy of the molecules into the system. This is the reason why two or more tuning forks sound louder and last longer than one. Is that correct?â€
Tseung: “Yes.â€
Prof. T: “Do you mind I quote the above as your hypothesis?â€
Tseung: “Please do. Please also quote that the exponential behavior near or at resonance is due to the feedback according to the equation (1+0.X)*(1+0.X)*(1+0.X)….â€
Prof. T: “You also believe a similar mechanism occurs with electrical or LCR circuit resonance?â€
Tseung: “Correct. That is why I include sound resonance as my Conclusive Experiment 1.â€
Prof. T: “I doubt any one will accuse you of stealing his or her idea. It has never appeared like this in any scientific literature as far as I know.â€
Tseung: “We can let the forum members challenge it first. Many have posted that such an idea is wrong. Will they change their mind and say that I stole the idea from them?â€
Prof. T: “The known steps in the birth of a new theory are: (1) It is wrong. (2) It might be right. (3) I (or some one) have the same idea and you stole it! (4) Hypothesis becomes a theory and is generally accepted.â€
Blessed is the Almighty. Some forum members are accusing me of stealing. Success is in sight.
Quote from: pese on December 19, 2010, 02:24:56 PM
So ts need 64 Watts to receive 15 Watts?
If the "Amplifier" need 60 watt heat energy
to transfer this additionalle to the Input, i see
not an sense...
The 60 bWats thermal energy will be lost
to become the output of 15 watts ???
Pese
it is waste heat to electricity !!
Nota Bene :
it is not OU
you have to compare it to solar cell 15%
with this you get a better COP => 25%
but you get also 400% with the sound !!
@ Itseung: The problem is: this is more easier to extract in LCR than "Random Molecule become a pulse order". The FE is nothing if can can't extract it without destroying the effect...
In LCR this is a little different since you have an overvoltage factor and magnifying the power, the magnifier of Tesla (Tesla coil with three windings) can be see as a power amplifier, but the problem is very hard to catch million volts of arc and convert it in 220V...
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 20, 2010, 03:40:48 AM
The FE is nothing if can can't extract it without destroying the effect...
are you so sure ?
it is very easy to extract ... so many exemple ... COP 400%
do you know J Keely !!
we know all overunity clowns :)
Conclusive Experiments to show that Energy from the surrounding can be lead-out or brought-in.
Experiment 6 â€" FLEET (Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer)
Proposed by: Lawrence Tseung Date: December 19, 2010
Performed by: ??? Date: ???
Objective:
1. To show that the Instantaneous Output Power can be greater than the Instantaneous Input Power from a FLEET prototype via the display from two oscilloscopes.
2. The existing FLEET prototypes use a Joule Thief Circuit with a secondary winding on the toroid. Many factors such as number of turns, tightness of the winding, dimension and characteristics of the toroid, type of winding wire, the electronic components, etc affect the experimental results.
3. The results show some characteristics typical to resonance. At certain configurations, the COP is very high but slight departure will show a marked drop. A good example is in the Workshop at Hong Kong University on Oct 9, 2010 where one student, Felix, produced a prototype with COP >280. Others could only produced prototypes with COP around 2.
4. These students listened to the same lecture, used the same material, used the same test equipment and sat next to one another. One comparison is that if every student were to produce their own tuning forks, demonstrating sound resonance would be very difficult.
5. Thus this experiment will be done as confirmation. The steps in creating the toroid will be clearly defined and the participant is encouraged to build his own. However, a working prototype will be made available for the verification.
Equipment needed:
Two oscilloscopes with at least the following capabilities:
1. Have two channels, one to display instantaneous voltage and one to display instantaneous current. Usually these channels have a common ground.
2. The ability to display the product of channel 1 and channel 2. The product represents the instantaneous power.
3. The ability to print or capture screen shots so that the results can be analyzed by a computer later.
4. Optionally, the Information on the Scope can be continuously captured by a connected computer or a data logger.
5. The ability to display the peak-to-peak and the RMS value of the voltage for channel 1 and channel 2 simultaneously on the screen.
An AA battery or a DC power supply that can supply DC voltage from 1 to 3 volts and current up to 2 Amps.
The electronic components to build a Joule Thief circuit:
1. A toroid core. In this case, a One Inch Diameter toroid is used.
2. Approximately 12 feet of thin electric wire or transformer wire. In this case, transformer wire of 0.5mm diameter is used.
3. Two 3V LEDs. One will be connected with the Joule Thief Circuit. The other will be connected with the secondary circuit.
4. Two one ohm resistors allowing the probe of channel 2 of the oscilloscope to measure the voltage. That value represents the instantaneous current. If that value is too low (especially on the secondary output, a 10 ohm resistor may be substituted.)
5. The complete circuit diagram with the components cleared marked. The value of the various components will be shown on the circuit diagram.
6. A breadboard to insert the various electronic components. In this case, a hand soldered circuit will be given as the sample prototype. With a breadboard, the connection may be shaken loose in the mail.
7. A multi-meter to measure the resistance, voltage at various stages of the testing.
8. Soldering gun (make sure the participants have the skill to operate it.)
9. A camera to record or videotape the various components at the various stages of the building and testing.
Procedure:
1. Read the excellent instruction on how to build a basic Joule Thief from the Internet. http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/11/make_a_joule_thief_weeken_1.html
2. Optionally build one of more basic Joule Thief until you get a working one. (A set of components will be made available when the working prototype is shipped.)
3. The FLEET prototype shipped to you will have an additional winding on the toroid. There will be photos and markings on all the necessary connection points.
4. A previous test result with the two oscilloscopes in Hong Kong will be included with the prototype. Additional before-shipping measurements with multimeters and simple scope photos and readings will be included.
5. Check the shipped FLEET prototype to ensure that no damage occurred during shipment visually. Check whether any soldered connection got disconnected. Solder back if and necessary.
6. Connect the battery (included) and check whether the two LEDs are lighted.
7. Disconnect the battery. Connect the probes from Channel 1 and Channel 2 of the first oscilloscope to the Joule Thief Input as in Diagram E1. Reconnect the battery. Check whether the two LEDs are lighted.
8. Disconnect the battery. Connect the probes from Channel 1 and Channel 2 of the second oscilloscope to the Joule Thief Input as in Diagram E2. Reconnect the battery. Check whether the two LEDs are lighted.
9. Display the three curves on the first oscilloscope. Channel 1 (representing Instantaneous Voltage); Channel 2 (representing Instantaneous Current) and the product of Channel 1 and Channel 2 (representing Instantaneous Power). This represents the Input side.
10. Repeat 9 with the second oscilloscope. This represents the Output side.
11. Adjust the various scales on the two oscilloscopes until the best comparison is displayed.
12. Do screen shot captures or send the output of the two oscilloscopes to a Computer or data logger for printing, storing and analysis.
13. Repeat from 9 again. Use only the Instantaneous Power this time. Minor tuning can be done by comparing the two scope displays. The minor tuning includes re-positioning the connecting wiring, placing the hand or an object near the toroid to affect its capacitance or (when you really feel confident) use different values of the electronic components.
14. You can always do a simple analysis (without the detailed computer analysis) from the peak-to-peak values of Channel 1 and Channel 2 (quick estimate of the peak-to-peak power) or the rms values of Channel 1 and Channel 2 (quick estimate of the rms power).
15. When you are satisfied with a consistent, reproducible configuration, do a full report with photos, video, computer analysis results etc.
Comments:
1. The best way I found in Hong Kong to do the verification is to show the entire procedure to the selected person(s). The selected person will repeat the procedure multiple times until he is comfortable.
2. Most first-timers make mistakes in using the oscilloscopes or the Joule Thief circuits. Some claimed to know their oscilloscopes very well but they have not used this particular measuring technique or method before.
3. I would feel most comfortable if we can do the first verification where I can be present to ensure that the set up is correct. I live about 10 minutes drive away from UCI. (If the US Government can influence UCI or nearby Organization to loan out two oscilloscopes and the technical people to handle them, that arrangement will be ideal. Successful verification is guaranteed.)
4. At present, I got an email from a Physics Student in the University of California system. He said that he might be able to help to make the right connections. The verification may be done at UCI. (But he is only a student.)
5. Another alternative is that with the proper sponsorship, I can travel with the working prototypes to the testing laboratories. If everything goes right, it will take one afternoon. With Murphy’s Law, I would plan on 3 days. One advantage of this arrangement is that I can even run a mini-workshop and teach the participants how to build the FLEET prototype from the very beginning. Plan on 1 week assuming no unexpected events.
6. If I have no other choice but to ship the prototype to someone who has never seen it or built a Joule Thief Circuit before, I shall include a prayer.
The diagrams will be specific to the particular prototype. I shall take out the best and the worst. The particular prototype shipped out will then be random. I shall have all the pictures, diagrams, previous readings etc specific to that prototype posted for all to comment (and to be used as official record) before shipment.
Those who are impatient can read postings since Sep 2010 on the overunity.com (Pulsed DC Transformer with embedded magnets) to get a general idea. Just ignore the jeers and insults.
I shall polish this particular draft much more until the potential verifiers are totally satisfied before I ship out the prototypes. I am still hopeful that the first verification in USA can be done with my presence. May God’s Blessing be with us.
The first prototype A ready for testing in USA
There is a strong probability that I shall work with Maj. Todd Hathaway and the University of Maryland after the Holidays.
I took out one of the prototypes at random and checked it without the oscilloscopes. With God's Blessing, it worked without any problems. I shall put in the full connection details, the value of various electronic components etc. in the coming days.
The Lord has granted us the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory. The first experiment is striking the tuning fork that can be done by the average layman (or political figure). The sixth experiment is the trump card demonstrating that Output Power is definitely more than Input Power. That fact will be demonstrated and verified by the US Government and Academics with the best available equipment.
And we are back again at lightning LED's
Repeat after me:
"I AM A CLOWN"
Prototype A uses 20 turns of Joule Thief type winding in the clockwise direction. The 0.5mm transformer wire was used. A multimeter was used after the winding was complete to determine the correct connection. In the diagram, the small white label papers at the toroid have the numbers 2,4,3,1,6,5 counting from the top. Wire points 2 and 4 are jointed as required in the Joule Thief Circuit requirement. One pair of wire is 2-3 and the other pair is 4-1.
Wire point 1 is connected to the 1K Ohm resistor which connects to the Base pin of the 2N2222 transistor as specified in the basic Joule Thief Circuit. Wire Point 3 is connected to the Emitter pin.
The 1.5 V AA Battery is connected with the positive end to the joint 2,4 wire connection. The negative end is connected to the end of a 1 Ohm resistor which is connected to the Collector pin.
The Wire points 5 and 6 are created by a continuous clockwise winding on top of the 20 turns of Joule Thief winding. Initially, the number of turns were too low to produce the required effect. It was then increased to cover the entire toroid. The new configuration worked. This was the only tuning used for this particular prototype. No variable resistor, capacitor or inductor was used.
This happens to be one of the simplest and robust prototypes. However the COP is low compared with the best tunable ones.
*** Please refer to the following file on how to build the basic Joule Thief:
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/11/make_a_joule_thief_weeken_1.html
It is extremely important to have the two oscilloscopes connected properly to get the correct results.
Check the connection with the following diagram carefully. The most common mistake is to have 3 and 4 reversed. Most Oscilloscopes have common ground between Channel 1 and Channel 2, the incorrect connection will create confusion and worthless readings.
With this Prototype A, the Output Load is a LED, a 100 Ohm resistor and a 10 Ohm resistor. The 10 Ohm resistor is chosen instead of the 1 Ohm resistor because we need to have a large enough voltage measurable by the Oscilloscope.
The draft information for the qualified verifier on Prototype A is complete. May God guide him and provide him the wisdom and the skills to perform this historic verification. Amen.
And we are back again at lightning LED's
Repeat after me:
"I AM A CLOWN"
I have put some comments on Experiment 6 in the attachment.
God is bringing us closer and closer to the solution.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 21, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
I have put some comments on Experiment 6 in the attachment.
God is bringing us closer and closer to the solution.
god is imaginary and irrelevant... you have less evidence of your godfairy than you do of OU. ::)
Why is the Joule Thief better than an oscillator in the FLEET prototypes?
The following is just my thoughts for all to share and comment.
The present FLEET prototypes all try to lead-out of bring-in electromagnetic energy at or near resonance of the LCR circuits. With an oscillator pulsing a toroid, the resonance frequency will be very narrow. As Observer puts it â€" at a single frequency. Trying to extract energy from such a system is tricky. It is similar to extracting energy from the tuning forks. A slight departure will produce beats and a larger departure will destroy the sympathetic vibration condition totally.
The inspiration came when I was preparing the draft of the Conclusive Experiment 2 â€" Extracting Gravitational Energy via the pulsed pendulum toy. With the pulsed pendulum toy, the best position to extract the energy is when the amplitude is large (hitting the rim with a loud noise). The time spent in the pulsing zone would be longer and more energy could be brought-in. One way to extract the kinetic energy is to have the copper wire string of the pendulum cutting magnetic lines of force. That will induce current and electrical energy can be extracted. How much energy can be extracted can be controlled by the strength of the magnetic field and the amount of current drawn.
The scenario is similar to pushing a swing. The pushing (or pulsing) must be at the natural frequency of the swing. Extraction of energy should be when the amplitude is large. (See the videos of the Milkovic Pendulum).
When I tuned the Tong wheel, I had to adjust the relative number of the drive and collector coils. Too many or too little drive coils would not work. The same applied to the collector coils. In addition, I had to adjust the proximity sensor to vary the pulse timing and duration.
I believe (a belief only) that the original Joule Thief Circuit could be treated as having a LCR circuit on the battery side and a LCR circuit on the LED side. These two circuits were forced into resonance by the transistor (e.g. 2N2222). As a result, the 3V LED could be lighted by a 1.5V AA battery. Any adjustment of the circuit (replacing capacitors, resistors etc) would shift such resonance conditions. The resonance frequency will change.
However, if we put in a secondary circuit, the coupling is via the magnetic flux changes. We had the original circuit trying to maintain the original frequency and a load on the secondary circuit trying to shift it. The system thus fluctuated in these two modes. (This might explain the constant change in frequency as observed on the oscilloscopes on the high COP gain prototypes.)
Blessed is the Almighty in giving us this new insight.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 21, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
Blessed is the Almighty in giving us this new insight on how to behave as delusional clowns.
The plan and news to share at the joyful time of Christmas 2010
The working Prototype A will be shipped to a well-known professor in a famous university in USA for evaluation and confirmation as soon as possible. The evaluation is likely to start sometime after Christmas. The results will be posted on Public Forums.
The next stage is for me to go to Washington DC and present the other prototypes at the University of Maryland. There may be a small workshop to show how the FLEET prototypes are built. With God’s Blessing, these prototypes will have COP much higher than Prototype A. This will then set the stage for the Public Demonstration.
The third stage will be to join an already planned alternate energy event. The FLEET prototypes may be treated as a US-China cooperation effort. If sufficient numbers of the FLEET prototypes are built, they may be made available to other reputable research Organizations.
May the Almighty work the Miracle â€" establish the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory for the scientists and researchers Worldwide. They can then charge ahead without being labeled as working on the impossible perpetual motion machine. Funding and Support will come. The World Energy Crisis is over.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 21, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
Why is the Joule Thief better than an oscillator in the FLEET prototypes?
The following is just my thoughts for all to share and comment.
The present FLEET prototypes all try to lead-out of bring-in electromagnetic energy at or near resonance of the LCR circuits. .....
Lawrence, this is almost the end of 2010. Not sure which calendar system you're using. You've been trying for several years and there is still nothing to show, except your own delusions.
My guess is that the 'Maryland University' results will be posted to a wrong forum and conveniently forgotten (if it will even be examined!).
Happy New Year to another year of comedy show. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
Quote
Dear Lawrence:
What I particularly like about your "Experiment 6" is that it is a straightforward device with no moving parts. I have read your descriptions of it, both in your emails and at the overunity website you suggested.
Yes, we can perform the experiments and tests to determine whether this device produces more power out than power in.....
This is quoted from the email of the well-known Professor in USA who will conduct the test on Prototype A.
May God bless and guide him. Amen
Who is this "well-known professor in the USA"? What are these games and manipulations again (as tey've ever stopped)? Before that "well-known professor" comes out with an opinion don't bother mentioning it. You think that saying it gives more legitimacy to what you're doing but it doesn't. It only shows desperation and delusion. That's really not the way to go in OU research.
The best prototype in USA as of Christmas 2010
For comparison, I am showing the photo of the best prototype in my possession at present.
Note that the Output values are all in Volts whereas the Input values are all in mV.
This prototype has fewer turns than Prototype A that is being sent for verification and confirmation. It also has a variable resistor for tuning.
If we use the oscilloscope results displayed, the
COP peak-to-peak is 221
COP rms is 265
Such values are far superior to Prototype A (but still less than the Felix Prototype at HKU).
With such convincing results, the Almighty will guide us to benefit the World.
Please don't show photos but give exact specifications and schematic so others can reproduce what you're claiming.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 22, 2010, 01:21:13 PM
Please don't show photos but give exact specifications and schematic so others can reproduce what you're claiming.
I do not trust the average unqualified forum member here. Remember the simple magnetic pendulum experiment. Many forum members claimed that the period did not change!!! They claimed that they did the experiment.
The issue was settled with Ms. Forever Yuen doing the experiment and posting on youtube.
The well-known professor will do the verification first with the US-made Oscilloscopes and remove all possible doubts on experimental or equipment error. He may then reveal his identity with the full report and the videos.
He is not doing this to impress the forum members here. His results will be shown to the US and Chinese Officials. Just be patient. A working prototype will be sent to Stefan and the overunity prize money will be given to Gadgetmail.
God is guiding us. Amen
Not true. There are some very fine experts here such as @gyulasun, @Omega_0, @poynt99, @teslaalset let alone Stefan and even @TinselKoala despite his known scam, to name a few. It is more likely to get proper answers here than asking someone who can lose his job doing this kind of stuff.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 22, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
I do not trust the average unqualified forum member here. ...
Look no further, look at your mirror. That's the unqualified member!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Omnibus on December 22, 2010, 02:12:26 PM
Not true. There are some very fine experts here such as @gyulasun, @Omega_0, @poynt99, @teslaalset let alone Stefan and even @TinselKoala despite his known scam, to name a few. It is more likely to get proper answers here than asking someone who can lose his job doing this kind of stuff.
The experts in this forum can wait. Stefan will receive the prototype on behalf of this forum. He will surely examine it and try to reproduce it. He can invite the experts to help him.
The US and Chinese Officials are not likely to believe someone with just a username. They know the background of this expert. They will also send their own experts to Washington DC later. Their own experts will be trained by yours truly to reproduce the FLEET prototypes.
God will guide us. Amen
So, you expect officials to back you? You'll be in for a surprise.
QuoteI do not trust the average unqualified forum member here. ...
One question in my mind: Why ???
Do you have a thing to hide ? :D
OMG Lawrence you are one of the dumbest people on this forum.
You know nothing about resonance, nothing about electronic circuits, nothing about oscilloscopes,nothing about go play with your mickey mouse
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 22, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Do you have a thing to hide ? :D
Yes he want's to hide that he is actually
A CLOWN
Well said on your posts Omnibus.
Why do we need "experts" for this crap anyway? To place 4 scope probes an read data from triple wound JT?
There will be quotas from Mr X again... with 200 COPs.. I am sure Mr X will be very famous from famous university..
So tseung posted voltage values but no current? Whats the current vs voltage phasing?
What a crap man...
Minde
Mr X is a CLOWN too :)
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 22, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
One question in my mind: Why ???
Do you have a thing to hide ? :D
Q1: Read 1546 and 1548. If you believe in such people, you are ......
Q2: Ask the people who posted 1546 and 1548......
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 22, 2010, 08:32:15 PM
Q1: Read 1546 and 1548. If you believe in such people, you are ......
Q2: Ask the people who posted 1546 and 1548......
Well, it's very simple. We asked for proof but all you got is some clowning acts of equating instantaneous input vs instantaneous output power with no real load and lighting 214 LEDs as proof of COP > 10, 100, 200?
Really shows you don't know enough physics or electronics and therefore you have nothing to show, or rather nothing to hide as well since you can't manufacture truth out of nothing!
Quoting scriptures and enlisting God's help won't help you.
It don't mean a thing if you ain't got the swing. Got it?
cheers
chrisC
@Chris C
hi mate have a great XMAS
will look you up when I am over...dinner with Lawernce....would be a laugh but I would proberbly feel sad dealing with such a dellusional person. I suggest we introduce him to IST (now known as Osiris (he still has bad manners). Go o that thread if you want a few laughs.
@Lawrence....
what happenned to all the university tests in Asia of your different devices.
How did china allow such a valuable asset like you go to the United States?
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on December 22, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
@Chris C
hi mate have a great XMAS
will look you up when I am over...dinner with Lawernce....would be a laugh but I would proberbly feel sad dealing with such a dellusional person. I suggest we introduce him to IST (now known as Osiris (he still has bad manners). Go o that thread if you want a few laughs.
...
Mark
Hi Mark. Same to you too. Have a great XMas & HNY.
Unfortunately I don't have too much time to visit other threads, I've enough entertainment from this thread. Does IST still CAPITALIZE his words? That's what I remember.
Please, do let me know if you're coming this way. We'll go visit Lawrence together and have a drink with him.
cheers
chrisC
@chris C
sounds like a plan
here is a recent post by IST (now Osiris) in respnse to one of mine. At least Lawrence has manners.
fuck off you fool troll! want to get pissed on too ?
ill do it ...
how about right now !
osiris
0 ooo look i just pissed on you ... this one will break your heart !
oh damn.....dont mention voltage to current "phasing" to Tseung....A) hes probably never heard of it, B) if he has he probbaly doesnt understand its significance in terms of measuring the power of non-DC devices. He just sees that OSC-2 has bigger spikes than OCS-1.....and thats good enough for him
who knows, maybe Santa ( or God ) will bring him a tech-book on how to measure Power properly for Christmas .......we can always hope
Id pay for the book for Him MYSELF.....but i really dont think he would read it....simply because it would tear down his "dream" in no uncertain terms and his cognative dissonance would kick in and not allow that to happen.
Quote from: rave154 on December 23, 2010, 12:32:55 AM
oh damn.....dont mention voltage to current "phasing" to Tseung....A) hes probably never heard of it, B) if he has he probbaly doesnt understand its significance in terms of measuring the power of non-DC devices. He just sees that OSC-2 has bigger spikes than OCS-1.....and thats good enough for him
who knows, maybe Santa ( or God ) will bring him a tech-book on how to measure Power properly for Christmas .......we can always hope
Id pay for the book for Him MYSELF.....but i really dont think he would read it....simply because it would tear down his "dream" in no uncertain terms and his cognative dissonance would kick in and not allow that to happen.
BINGO!
That is the Problem for ALL GUY that like to workt with
Tseung Thief Inverters LED CFL TPU Circuits.
Nothing is mor difficult THAT "metering" an NONsinusODIODAL AC Wave or pulsed spikes.)
(For myself , i find simple ways with enought accurancy)
BUT for PHYSICAN lokk this LINK:
that i linked some monte before here..
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6514.msg149950#msg149950
Gustav Pese
P.S.
i am not so interested to "teach you", because to much folks
preffered to go long and complicated ways.
(In accordance to the professional NO-Sayer)
www.alt-nrg.de/pese
(only link collions 2002-2010)
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 22, 2010, 08:32:15 PM
Q1: Read 1546 and 1548. If you believe in such people, you are ......
Q2: Ask the people who posted 1546 and 1548......
They are prats. Probably incentivised to set people against eachother, and
delay progress. You should feel flattered, Lawrence, that they choose your
thread. They must see your work as a threat.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 22, 2010, 01:16:54 PM
The best prototype in USA as of Christmas 2010
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COP>200
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My own prototypes have COP > 47000 and need 1 Kw input min. So it is by far too much for practical applications and I have many problems. I burnt all the light bulbs of my house, my car started by itself and left the garage, and the radiant energy melted the snow outside in a circle of 500 mtrs radius around my house.
So I'm very impressed by your low COP. Congratulation !
;D
Quote from: Paul-R on December 23, 2010, 08:33:10 AM
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delay progress. You should feel flattered, Lawrence, that they choose your
thread. They must see your work as a threat.
Haha. Delay progress? Well, the UK cold weather must be doing strange things to your already confused brain. How sad.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 22, 2010, 08:32:15 PM
Q1: Read 1546 and 1548. If you believe in such people, you are ......
Q2: Ask the people who posted 1546 and 1548......
A1: LOL I 'am what ? an idiot ?
A2: This is you the inventor of this device or not, what I must to reclam at X-NRG or ChrisC the details ? I think I must ask my Grandma about details... ;D
More seriously,
Have you verified your power measurment, specially RMS power, with weird, and disrupted square wave signal (ringing effect), this not better to put a (large) cap and measure a staight DC before the load, no ? Even with the most powerfull oscillo you can have measurement error specially in the milliwatts range, this why I'am very sceptic about your device, once again I 'am not saying it's impossible but I need a PROOF an incontestable PROOF...
Yes the instantaneous power can be X times more than input at T time, but what about if you have a pulse of 1 second at 1 amp at 1 Volt, and you output is a ringing of 1 second but the amp and voltage oscillate and DECAY to the next pulse, so you can have a the first or two oscillation at 100 volt and the rest decaying. So distorded square waves is a foxy trap... :D
Quote from: rave154 on December 23, 2010, 12:32:55 AM
oh damn.....dont mention voltage to current "phasing" to Tseung....
A) hes probably never heard of it,
B) if he has he probbaly doesnt understand its significance in terms of measuring the power of non-DC devices.
C) He just sees that OSC-2 has bigger spikes than OCS-1.....and thats good enough for him because he is a delusional CLOWN
BINGO!
That would be answer A AND C !!
@Paul-R
Delay things? we have been waiting for years for a single device we can test or results tested by a recognised authority.
Lawrence has been delaying things for so long now with contiued chatter what about what is going to happen than producing anything tangable that has actually been tested or put under peer scrutiny. That is people with the qualifications to test such claims or ..closed loop my favourite.
Actually I am happy if anyone can come up with anything and claim the overunity device.
At MIB headquarters they are having budget cutbacks so agents like my self and Chris will have to find an alternative income for a while.
Kind Regards
and Merry Xmas
Quote from: markdansie on December 23, 2010, 01:24:25 PM
At MIB headquarters they are having budget cutbacks so agents like my self and Chris will have to find an alternative income for a while.
Kind Regards
and Merry Xmas
LOL! that's just the story you're being feed by your controllers mark. the real reason is because you're incompetent and your continued display of this (by not knowing the difference between then and than, their, there and they're, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam) is starting to embarrass them...
Yes they pay me an awefull lot of money just to let you know that LAWRENCE TSEUNG IS A DELUSIONAL CLOWN!!!
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on December 23, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
LOL! that's just the story you're being feed by your controllers mark. ....
I supposed that's why Mark and I are not living between railway tracks since our controllers pay so so well. Maybe you need to get a job like us so you can move out of your current abysmal dwellings?
cheers
chrisC
Please DON'T look at the work of mister Clow.. i mean Tseung.
If you do you might discover he has a cop >1024.
Then they stop paying me :'(
Build your own FLEET
For those forum members who want to build their own FLEET prototype, here is the best configuration in USA. This is still not as good as that built at Hong Kong University by the Student Felix.
However, with a COP of greater than 200, there is no possibility of experimental error.
You can all build your own FLEET prototype according to the diagram. However, in the HKU workshop, the COP achieved varied from greater than 280 to less than 1. This best prototype was used as the “teacher demoâ€.
Some other pieces of information:
The toroid was 1 inch in diameter colored yellow.
The transformer wire was 0.5mm in diameter.
The two LEDs are 3V type colored white.
God help those who help themselves. Build and receive God's Blessing.
That ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Don't you ever get tired blinking LED's ?
CLOWN.
Interest in testing the FLEET prototype from an unlikely source Quote
From : Enoch LAUGHLIN
“FENUA CLEANERGYâ€
Phone : (689) 77 09 05
Fax : (689) 45 04 70
PO BOX : 9119 MOTU UTA â€" CTT
98715 TAHITI - FRENCH POLYNESIA
enoch@mail.pf
Dear Sirs,
My name is Enoch LAUGHLIN, born and living in TAHITI, French Polynesia. I attended an education in electro technologies, and have been enthusiast for many years in producing magnetic motors and coupling generators with motors for self energy supplying, till extra energy as a result. Unfortunately I’ve never been successful in the experience, for unsatisfactory efficiency.
I found this very interesting invention by Internet. I am absolutely sure and convinced that it works, for having carried on experiences with magnets. I never got enough time and money to lead those works to the end, because the remote situation of Tahiti makes any kind of specific project extremely difficult.
Nowadays, I hold a small enterprise “FENUA CLEANERGYâ€, specialized in alternative energy and energy conservation systems, save in solar power supplies, which are rather well represented in my country. My activity is growing slowly but surely. My purpose is to offer any clean, safe and cheap alternatives to our local sources of electric energy, which is one of the most expensive in the world.
After having studied principles and possible applications, I came to the conclusion that this invention could help in something for the harmonious development of my small community of only 260,000 inhabitants.
For my part, I absolutely and completely agree with your conditions:
1- I will publish all test results in public forums, and in any mass media of French Polynesia and any publication should be dispatched with pictures and video of the test. I only need you give me correct support and medium of your preference for local and international broadcast.
2- I commit myself to send you, on your request, a copy of my national ID card, in accordance to your request and for best transparency in our future relations.
3- I am ready to travel to meet you after doing the test, in order to find an arrangement about our future commercial relationship. In the same way, if you are interested to travel to my Island of Tahiti, I should be very glad to welcome you.
4- I should be really enthusiastic to becoming your representative, because I'm sure that your technology is extremely important for the future of our world. As a technician in this field, I often had dreams about this system……
I shall prepare another FLEET prototype for test in this small Country. Prototype A has been shipped out and the tests will start after the holidays. Technology is not limited to giants like USA and China.
God brings joy to all.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 24, 2010, 11:21:36 AM
Interest in testing the FLEET prototype from an unlikely source
.....
4- I should be really enthusiastic to becoming your representative, because I'm sure that your technology is extremely important for the future of our world. As a technician in this field, I often had dreams about this system……
Well, it's certain that both of you have one too many dreams (of the delusional kind)!
cheers & merry Christmas.
chrisC
Merry Christmas Clowns :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Prototype B getting ready
Dear Mr. Enoch LAUGHLIN,
I am trying to get a FLEET prototype for your testing. This Prototype B was chosen at random. Unfortunately, one of the soldered connections was broken. You will need to re-solder it before the test.
Please study the posts related to FLEET Prototype A at overunity.com forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg267614#msg267614
After you have carefully studied the various posts and diagrams, please confirm that you do have two oscilloscopes that you and your technical team can use to do the verification.
I shall send two sets of component parts to you also so that you can build two FLEET prototypes yourself. I shall not include the batteries and the battery holders. (I was not able to get even the battery holder in my local Radioshack store in Irvine.)
You may want to solder them as shown or use a breadboard. I recommend that you use the best prototype winding on the toroid â€" 13 turns Joule Thief and 17 turns Transformer.
Please include the test results for the supplied Prototype B and those built by you and your team from the components.
Thank you and look forward to working with you in the near future.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited (Hong Kong)
gee ::) a battery blinking an LED ::) ::) ::)
Okay, I can see that a battery could be used to induce an overunity circuit but IMO there sould be a bypass switch or otherwise the battery is doing all of the work. At least use a rechargeable battery if the circuit is supposed to recharge the battery!!!
The Conclusive Verification
Prototype C will be sent to the most serious verifier. He has 4 oscilloscopes and a dedicated computer with the necessary analysis software.
The verification and confirmation from Universities are likely to take months if not years. They are afraid of labeled as working on the impossible perpetual motion machine.
This verifier will not have such fears. Results will come out in weeks.
When God leads, many verifiers will come.
Quote from: Ar-el-es on December 25, 2010, 12:41:35 AM
Okay, I can see that a battery could be used to induce an overunity circuit but IMO there sould be a bypass switch or otherwise the battery is doing all of the work. At least use a rechargeable battery if the circuit is supposed to recharge the battery!!!
No. This is strictly an academic two oscilloscope verification. No loopback and no recharging of batteries will be done in this simple but conclusive verification.
Just resolve the issue: Is the Output Power greater than the Input Power with the prototype supplied?
The good oscilloscopes will display waveforms and send the results for the computer programs to do detailed analysis. The results will be accepted by the academic community - especially if the experiments are done by well-known professors.
More prototypes are likely to be built at such Universities or Research Organizations. Before too long all the top Universities in the World will have working Lead-out energy (FLEET) prototypes to work on and improve.
The naysayers and insulters will have a few more weeks to do their final acts. Some may have to find another job (or insult some other inventors).
May the cooperation of China and USA bring peace to the World. Amen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 25, 2010, 01:43:10 AM
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The naysayers and insulters will have a few more weeks to do their final acts. Some may have to find another job (or insult some other inventors).
No, Lawrence. You're our favorite clown act. Long live Chairman Mao, long live the comedian channel.
cheers
chrisC
Grow up and get a life ChrisC, oh ya thats right you borrow ours! Get your own troll.
Quote from: Hope on December 25, 2010, 03:15:33 AM
Grow up and get a life ChrisC, oh ya thats right you borrow ours! Get your own troll.
Borrowed ours? WtF have you contributed? Hoping against delusions is the best you've done so far. Get yourself a real goal.
cheers
chrisC
Can you replace the battery with a capa (and eventually feed back it) ?
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Delusional CLOWN HAHAHAHA ;D
HEY! Look at me i can blink a LED WOOOOW!!!
In my first post on this forum, I will provide a very brief introduction.
I am a full Professor of Physics, Emeritus, with approximately 60 peer-reviewed publications so far. I have published as first author more than once in both Nature and Physical Review Letters, among other notable journals.
I have requested of Lawrence Tseung one of his prototypes for testing, and he has agreed.
I will let the forum know when I have received a prototype, and I expect to disclose the results -- when the tests are complete. Whether I disclose results on this forum or not remains to be decided; in general, I prefer to use peer-reviewed publications.
Now, the ad hominem-type attacks by some of you on the forum, in particular on this thread, seem most unscientific and even childish to me. Lawrence has developed what he claims are working prototypes and has agreed to allow these to be tested -- why don't you naysayers wait until the tests are completed and stop your mocking?
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 10:06:06 AM
In my first post on this forum, I will provide a very brief introduction.
I am a full Professor of Physics, Emeritus, with approximately 60 peer-reviewed publications so far. I have published as first author more than once in both Nature and Physical Review Letters, among other notable journals.
I have requested of Lawrence Tseung one of his prototypes for testing, and he has agreed.
I will let the forum know when I have received a prototype, and I expect to disclose the results -- when the tests are complete. Whether I disclose results on this forum or not remains to be decided; in general, I prefer to use peer-reviewed publications.
Now, the ad hominem-type attacks by some of you on the forum, in particular on this thread, seem most unscientific and even childish to me. Lawrence has developed what he claims are working prototypes and has agreed to allow these to be tested -- why don't you naysayers wait until the tests are completed and stop your mocking?
That's quite commendable to have colleagues interested in the area of OU. It's such a rarity that is almost unbelievable to have an academic show interest in it. Furthermore, the intention to publish the results in the peer-reviewed literature is exactly the way to go. I'd like ro ask you, however, a few questions in this regard. First, how do you at all expect results, even if most founded and rigorous, to be published in journals such as Nature and/or PRL when these and other maintream journals will return any text implying violation of COE without even sending it to referees? On the other hand, I'd be curious to know your opinion as to the use for publishing negative results. Negative results are trivial, they are expected by the mainstream and won't be a contribution to science at all. So, why bother?
As for the bashing, it stems from the unwillingness of the researcher to proceed along the lines accepted in science which include openness in dissemination of the research, consideration for the critics and understanding that ensuring conditions for the results to be reproduced by others is crucial for any scientific claim. Many, including the person in question, behave as tradesmen, sellers, fund raising agents and so on about something that has not even an inkling of proof, let alone that even if there were proof such behavior is unscientific and deservedly invokes derisive remarks.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 10:06:06 AM
In my first post on this forum, I will provide a very brief introduction.
I am a full Professor of Physics, Emeritus, with approximately 60 peer-reviewed publications so far. I have published as first author more than once in both Nature and Physical Review Letters, among other notable journals.
I have requested of Lawrence Tseung one of his prototypes for testing, and he has agreed.
I will let the forum know when I have received a prototype, and I expect to disclose the results -- when the tests are complete. Whether I disclose results on this forum or not remains to be decided; in general, I prefer to use peer-reviewed publications.
Now, the ad hominem-type attacks by some of you on the forum, in particular on this thread, seem most unscientific and even childish to me. Lawrence has developed what he claims are working prototypes and has agreed to allow these to be tested -- why don't you naysayers wait until the tests are completed and stop your mocking?
are you the " well-known professors " ?
if so , we are waiting for your tests results
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 10:06:06 AM
In my first post on this forum, I will provide a very brief introduction.
I am a full Professor of Physics, Emeritus, with approximately 60 peer-reviewed publications so far. I have published as first author more than once in both Nature and Physical Review Letters, among other notable journals.
I have requested of Lawrence Tseung one of his prototypes for testing, and he has agreed.
I will let the forum know when I have received a prototype, and I expect to disclose the results -- when the tests are complete. Whether I disclose results on this forum or not remains to be decided; in general, I prefer to use peer-reviewed publications.
Now, the ad hominem-type attacks by some of you on the forum, in particular on this thread, seem most unscientific and even childish to me. Lawrence has developed what he claims are working prototypes and has agreed to allow these to be tested -- why don't you naysayers wait until the tests are completed and stop your mocking?
You are no professor!!
YOU ARE THE CLOWN !!!
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 10:06:06 AM
In my first post on this forum, I will provide a very brief introduction.
I am a full Professor of Physics, Emeritus, with approximately 60 peer-reviewed publications so far. ...
I see. I'm impressed indeed. Let's see, I think you're referring to clowning technology? Is Tseung your student or your clone? Welcome to the circus.
cheers
chrisC
PhysicsProf,
Thankyou so much for your interest and decision to participate in our endeavor.
---> Merry Holidays to You and Yours ! <---
1. The first thing anyone should know that contemplates Unrecognized Sources of Energy (USEs) is this.
a. There exists a Law called the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.
b. Over 5,000 patents are currently being made secret from the public.
c. The list of what can be made secret includes (current list is secret too, this represents an older list)
- All ---> NOVEL SOURCES OF ENERGY <---
- All Super Efficient Energy Storage Systems.
- All Super Efficient Solar cells.
d. The vast majority of these inventions were submitted by civilian inventors with no idea they would be ambushed at the Patent Office.
e. It is a fair assumption that... The Powers that Be want us to continue paying for energy (and the taxes on that energy)
2. There may be some honest doubters of Mr. Tsueng here, but rest assured the daily negativity comes from those that get paid to do so.
a. Personally, I think that if the summation of all a member's posts are negative attacks, they should be banned.
b. Since you may tire of the nonconstructive posts, I advise you to largely ignore them and respond only to members that appear genuine.
c. Mr. Tsueng doesn't know everything and can make mistakes (as anyone), but his dedication to USEs is Golden.
3. The possible USEs that I am interested in involve these interesting phenomena...
a. Magnetic Permeability... There is an internal magnetic moment that can be utilized in Ferromagnetic Materials.
-A coil's magnetic field is amplified by orders of magnitude by the insertion of a Ferro Material. (ie... 100, 000 times)
* I'm sure you know this is the result of previously randomly oriented magnetic dipoles lining up with the weak field of the coil.
To comprehend how we tap into this energy, consider a speaker that can exchange magnets.
The more powerful the magnet, the more sound the speaker emits, yet from the same input.
b. Resonance... The phenomenon that an object will store energy vibrationally,
then interact with the surrounding enviroment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy it is storing.
- When an energy wave is modified to a larger amplitude (without loss of duration)... it is fair to say it has been amplified.
- When an energy wave (without losing amplitude) is extended.. it is fair to say it has amplified.
- Two tuning forks ringing louder AND longer than one... is a clear demonstration of sound energy being amplified.
If you prefer the Dictionary's definiton...
5. An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially of Musical Tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.
4. When you combine 3a and 3b you get a Resonating Transformer. (I am not doing Ferro Resonance, just to be clear)
a. When an audio transformer is resonated with a 1.5 V battery, you can light up a 3 V LED on the StepDown Side with ~ 4 V pulses !
---> this is only at 1 frequency ... Primary is 900 ohms, Secondary is 8 ohms...<---
b. Same set up as above but.. the Primary will burn out LEDs with ~90 V pulses.
c. Because it only happens at 1 frequency, it fair to say that the Energy Output of a Resonating Transformer is Non-Linear.
5. A Joule Thief traditionally uses the crashing magnetic field in a blocking oscillator to create a large voltage pulse.
a. The Higher the Magnetic Permeability of the Core, the Higher the Internal Mag Field (that crashes), the More Impressive the Output (see 3a)
b. Extraordinary Feats like lighting a 13 W CFL light bulb for the better part of a day with a SINGLE 1.5 V battery can be done.
- There are 3 ways to do this that I have seen.
(1) Use a large High Perm Core (torroid) with lots of turns.
(2) Use a modified Camera Flash Circuit. .
(3) Use the output of an Average Joule Thief to Resonate an Auto Ignition Coil. (my favorite !)
6. I believe the setup LT is going to send you does utilize a Resonating Circuit , however I don't think the core is physically resonating.
Again, many thanks for your time.
The Genuine Members of this Forum are Very Appreciative.
Best Regards,
The Observer
CLOWNS UNITE
I have read all the comments since my post -- thank you. Call me a clown if you wish, but perhaps a talented one given my publication and teaching history.
Excellent comments, Observer. My background is that of an experimental physicist, rather than a theorist.
I approach this project seeking experimental verification and to learn what controllable parameters increase the COP -- along with 100% reproducibility (that is a must).Complete theoretical understanding can come later, even after publication... at least for me. I have worked with many theorists through the years. Once an effect is 100% repeatable and can be scaled up, it can generally be understood in months, sometimes years. High-temp superconductivity is an example of a novel (wonderful) effect that is taking a long time to fully understand -- despite hundreds of publications.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 11:17:50 AM
That's quite commendable to have colleagues interested in the area of OU. It's such a rarity that is almost unbelievable to have an academic show interest in it. Furthermore, the intention to publish the results in the peer-reviewed literature is exactly the way to go. I'd like ro ask you, however, a few questions in this regard. First, how do you at all expect results, even if most founded and rigorous, to be published in journals such as Nature and/or PRL when these and other maintream journals will return any text implying violation of COE without even sending it to referees? On the other hand, I'd be curious to know your opinion as to the use for publishing negative results. Negative results are trivial, they are expected by the mainstream and won't be a contribution to science at all. So, why bother?
Once an effect is 100% repeatable and can be scaled up, it can generally be published. It is true that the top journals may not touch it if certain political interests are opposed -IMO ... UNLESS the novel effect is being reproduced all over the world, which is the goal in this instance (a goal I share with Lawrence). At that point, I believe major journals will jump at the chance to publish.
The choice of journal/venue is up to the research scientists, btw, not folks on this forum (I hope you understand).
QuoteAs for the bashing, it stems from the unwillingness of the researcher to proceed along the lines accepted in science which include openness in dissemination of the research, consideration for the critics and understanding that ensuring conditions for the results to be reproduced by others is crucial for any scientific claim. Many, including the person in question, behave as tradesmen, sellers, fund raising agents and so on about something that has not even an inkling of proof, let alone that even if there were proof such behavior is unscientific and deservedly invokes derisive remarks.
Although our correspondence to date is limited, I have seen nothing from Lawrence that shows " unwillingness of the researcher to proceed along the lines accepted in science which include openness in dissemination of the research, " -- on the contrary.
Let me ask you -- is Lawrence willing to have independent tests of his prototypes? Is he willing to have the results discussed openly? Or is he seeking restrictions such as to make him (in an exclusive sense) lots of money?
@PhysicsProfessor,
Can you provide a web link to one of your peer-reviewed publications?
Thanks,
Groundloop.
QuoteLet me ask you -- is Lawrence willing to have independent tests of his prototypes? Is he willing to have the results discussed openly? Or is he seeking restrictions such as to make him (in an exclusive sense) lots of money?
No, he is not. If he were, he would have openly presented, as is usual in science, all the details so others can reproduce what he claims. There are excellent researchers in this forum who can do that without the need to be defended by individuals of unknown credentials.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
I have read all the comments since my post -- thank you. Call me a clown if you wish, but perhaps a talented one given my publication and teaching history.... It is true that the top journals may not touch it if certain political interests are opposed -IMO ... UNLESS the novel effect is being reproduced all over the world, which is the goal in this instance (a goal I share with Lawrence). At that point, I believe major journals will jump at the chance to publish.
The choice of journal/venue is up to the research scientists, btw, not folks on this forum (I hope you understand).
..
Seriously, if you really are a well renowned professor of physics and you can't detect some delusional writings, then I think I'm entitled to a Nobel prize!
We'll just have to see what kind of physics or electronics you really understand, Mr. Talented Professor. At the end of your 'investigations' maybe your peers will also know who you really are?
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
I have read all the comments since my post -- thank you. Call me a clown if you wish, but perhaps a talented one given my publication and teaching history.
Excellent comments, Observer. My background is that of an experimental physicist, rather than a theorist. I approach this project seeking experimental verification and to learn what controllable parameters increase the COP -- along with 100% reproducibility (that is a must).
Complete theoretical understanding can come later, even after publication... at least for me. I have worked with many theorists through the years. Once an effect is 100% repeatable and can be scaled up, it can generally be understood in months, sometimes years. High-temp superconductivity is an example of a novel (wonderful) effect that is taking a long time to fully understand -- despite hundreds of publications.
Once an effect is 100% repeatable and can be scaled up, it can generally be published. It is true that the top journals may not touch it if certain political interests are opposed -IMO ... UNLESS the novel effect is being reproduced all over the world, which is the goal in this instance (a goal I share with Lawrence). At that point, I believe major journals will jump at the chance to publish.
The choice of journal/venue is up to the research scientists, btw, not folks on this forum (I hope you understand).
Although our correspondence to date is limited, I have seen nothing from Lawrence that shows " unwillingness of the researcher to proceed along the lines accepted in science which include openness in dissemination of the research, " -- on the contrary.
Let me ask you -- is Lawrence willing to have independent tests of his prototypes? Is he willing to have the results discussed openly? Or is he seeking restrictions such as to make him (in an exclusive sense) lots of money?
Quit the show Lawrence.
Your a bad actor so stick with your CLOWN's act. :)
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
No, he is not. If he were, he would have openly presented, as is usual in science, all the details so others can reproduce what he claims. There are excellent researchers in this forum who can do that without the need to be defended by individuals of unknown credentials.
Interesting. Lawrence is giving all needed details to me to my satisfaction so far... but note that I'm not saying his device "works" since I have not yet tested it!
But on your point, Omnibus, I challenge you to point to
Quote"all the details" of some device so that one can "reproduce what he claims. There are excellent researchers in this forum who can do that..._"
you say. Who then, and what are the details?
Ah-- another device or devices to test. But -- I am new to this forum and would appreciate your help in sorting out what can be reproduced with details given and which researchers have prototypes which actually "work". Seriously, Omnibus or others -- what are you BEST COP>1 devices that an experienced experimental physicist could test?
I would like to see one or more of them actually work with COP>1 -- and not end up canned by some agency.
I have done a lot of work with solar energy, invented a solar device which I have made freely available, worldwide. I gave away hundreds of these -- to Kenya, Bolivia, Mali, Haiti and other countries.
At risk is humanity if we do NOT come up with an alternative energy source, IMO.
Hence my sincere challenge to your statement, Omnibus, that there are devices with "all the details" given, devices which presumably work.
@PhysicsProfessor,
Can you provide a web link to one of your peer-reviewed publications?
Thanks,
Groundloop.
The only thing proven conclusively so far is discontinuous production of excess energy (not by Lawrence). While this is enough to conclude tha conservation of energy can be violated, the society will never accept such violation if it doesn't see a self-sustaining device. Everything else, all other efforts to claim more energy out than in, no matter how well founded, are in vain. Such efforts can only satisfy the curiosity of the limited group of people discussing OU in this and other forums. Without a self-sustaining device, clearly demonstrated and made available to thousands, if not not millions, without restrictions and without concealing anything, violation of CoE will neve get across to society, despite the fact that it has already been conclusively proven.
Quote from: Groundloop on December 25, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
@PhysicsProfessor,
Can you provide a web link to one of your peer-reviewed publications?
Thanks,
Groundloop.
I will not disclose my name until after the results on Lawrence's prototype are made publicly available (per my agreement with Lawrence, and my suggestion BTW). What matters is the physics, the experimental demonstration -- and 100% reproducibility -- not so much my name.
Thus, if Lawrence indeed has a self-sustaining device, the reality of such device can be confirmed at once right here in this forum, without the need to bother well-known professors with their four oscilloscopes. There are people in this forum who can replicate it within days if not hours, if the device is indeed self-sustaining.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 04:52:56 PM
The only thing proven conclusively so far is discontinuous production of excess energy.
Do you mean it is not 100% reproducible? if not, what do you mean?
Quote" While this is enough to conclude tha conservation of energy can be violated, the society will never accept such violation if it doesn't see a self-sustaining device. "
I disagree at several levels. First, a conclusive experimental demonstration, 100% reproducible, will be accepted by society even without a theoretical explanation -- compare high-temperature superconductivity.
Second, who says that CoE is necessarily violated? could it not be a hidden or previously unidentified source of energy?
Third, I highly doubt that CoE will be violated, that is, conservation of mass-energy. But have we missed a source of energy? Yes, almost certainly that is the case.
QuoteEverything else, all other efforts to claim more energy out than in, no matter how well founded, are in vain. Such efforts can only satisfy the curiosity of the limited group of people discussing OU in this and other forums. Without a self-sustaining device, clearly demonstrated and made available to thousands, if not not millions, without restrictions and without concealing anything, violation of CoE will neve get across to society, despite the fact that it has already been conclusively proven.
Again, you say " it has already been conclusively proven" but have not given me an example that can be tested. Not one.
Lawrence has been willing to present a prototype for testing, to his credit.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I will not disclose my name until after the results on Lawrence's prototype are made publicly available (per my agreement with Lawrence, and my suggestion BTW). What matters is the physics, the experimental demonstration -- and 100% reproducibility -- not so much my name.
Indeed. Your very participation in that in your role of a "well-known professor" isn't even needed. Let Lawrence explain how to make a self-sustaining device and help others to reproduce it. That will be enough and will be the only thing which will convince anybody that Lawrence has an OU machine.
What I referred to is 100% reproducible. Violation of CoE can be and has already been demonstrated with a 100% reproducibility. I won't go into details because it is not what's being discussed here. Here we're discussing only Lawrence's claiims.
Also, it the device is tapping into an "unknown source of energy" then that device is not an OU device and is of no interest to this forum.
If Lawrence is willing to provide a device for testing, let him do it and not bother this forum. If he really wants this forum to have a stance, as he actually does by filling it with his claims, then he should provide details right here. Otherwise he will rightfully get a lot of crap from the participants here. You should be able to understand that, I guess.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
What I referred to is 100% reproducible. Violation of CoE can be and has already been demonstrated with a 100% reproducibility. I won't go into details because it is not what's being discussed here.
A pompous statement, without a shred of substantiation!
It appears this is a load of manure, Omnibus. YOU brought up violation of CoE and YOU claimed there are devices which demonstrate it, and YOU said "all the details" have been given -- yet when challenged, you respond "I won't go into details". What a cop-out.
Nevermind, someone has expressed willingness to allow me to test a prototype Bedini device, someone serious.
Like I said, if someone has asked you to test a device then keep it to yourself. Don't annonce it here and don't bother advocating the scammer. That's the real crap. Substantiating what I claim is a separate story, not part of this discussion.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 05:47:15 PM
Like I said, if someone has asked you to test a device then keep it to yourself. Don't annonce it here and don't bother advocating the scammer. That's the real crap. Substantiating what I claim is a separate story, not part of this discussion.
Still refusing to substantiate what you claim, then, while claiming the person who sends me an actual Bedini prototype with instructions is a "scammer" -- without even knowing who he/she is! You are losing credibility, Omnibus.
And then pompously telling me, " if someone has asked you to test a device then keep it to yourself. Don't annonce [sic] it here"
Why not? where is this rule written? or are you some kind of thought police?
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 06:08:18 PM
Still refusing to substantiate what you claim, then, while claiming the person who sends me an actual Bedini prototype with instructions is a "scammer" -- without even knowing who he/she is! You are losing credibility, Omnibus.
And then pompously telling me, " if someone has asked you to test a device then keep it to yourself. Don't annonce [sic] it here"
Why not? where is this rule written? or are you some kind of thought police?
No, you're the one losing credibility, if you had any to begin with. The rule is that false advertisement, as Lawrence does, using various techniques, including invoking fake "well-known professors" isn't at all welcome here. Thought police are those who try to impose on others that it's otherwise.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
No, you're the one losing credibility, if you had any to begin with. The rule is that false advertisement, as Lawrence does, using various techniques, including invoking fake "well-known professors" isn't at all welcome here. Thought police are those who try to impose on others that it's otherwise.
Who is the "fake 'well-known professor" ?
And are you saying that Lawrence did not send to me a Prototype, as he "advertised" with photos and explanations above?
Thanks.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 07:09:22 PM
Who is the "fake 'well-known professor" ?
And are you saying that Lawrence did not send to me a Prototype, as he "advertised" with photos and explanations above?
Thanks.
Who are you to be reckoned with?
Component parts for Tahiti
Here is the component diagram that can build two FLEET prototypes in Tahiti. The batteries and the battery holders are left out. One toriod was already wired. The other one is bare and can be wound with different wires and different turns. The wired one used two meters of 0.5mm transformer wires.
Those in USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, China and similar Countries should be able to acquire them. If they cannot get them from the local electronic stores, they can always order on-line.
These components will be used in the Workshop planned to be held in Washington DC in late January 2011.
There is enough detail in the postings for the good Physicists or Engineers to construct a FLEET prototype. Just remember that it is resonance tuning. Slight departure from the ideal condition will greatly affect the result. Patience and hours of adjustment is needed.
God helps the Believer and gives him the will and patience to resonance-tune the prototypes.
Welcome to the Clowns soap
Here you can learn how to burn a LED with a battery :)
Lawrence:
QuoteThese components will be used in the Workshop planned to be held in Washington DC in late January 2011
I am trying to learn more about free-energy devices and to support the research effort...
Can you tell me more about this Workshop --and will you be there? Is there a web-site?
Stop thinking you can fool people Lawrence :D
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
Lawrence:
I am trying to learn more about free-energy devices and to support the research effort...
Can you tell me more about this Workshop --and will you be there? Is there a web-site?
A real professor going out of his way to support research he knows next to nothing about? How telling....
cheers
chrisC
hes asking questions to himself.
questions he likes to hear from others so he can E-masturbate feeling like hes onto something.
The important guy.
Nothing but a CLOWN ;D
Merry Christmas everyone.
Bill
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
Second, who says that CoE is necessarily violated? could it not be a hidden or previously unidentified source of energy?
What do you think they would have said 100 years ago... to a guy walking around with a rock saying it could blow up a large city?
Anyways, it is clear to me that you get it.. that is,
Science is a Vast and Largely Unknown Frontier.
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I have a repeatable experiment you can do... perhaps it is something you could easily set up at the lab.
A Speaker Tone Resonating a Test Tube Experiment. You may be familiar with this experiment, unfortunately the proper question is not asked in the traditional classroom...
--- > Is Sound Energy Being Amplified? <---
The diagram below pretty much speaks for itself, but a short summary.
1. Emit a tone from the speaker.
2. Measure resultant sound energy with the Mic.
3. Adjust water level of tube until it starts to shake and ... lol, you hear a louder sound. (funny because it's so obvious)
4. Measure resultant sound energy with the Mic.
5. Compare values... make a ratio, whatever you want.
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Best Regards,
The Observer
P.S. Thanks Pirate.. same to you. ;o)
Prof... Pirate is genuine member of the forum with an extensive knowledge of Joule Thief Experimentation.
My favorite Vid of his is where he uses an Earth Battery to light a Fluorescent Tube via a Joule Thief.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Pirate88179#p/u/11/5kL8ys8m0-4
Perhaps you will have some good questions in the near future that he can help with.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 25, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
Who are you to be reckoned with?
My background is fusion and alternative energy research. PhD work at Stanford, largely.
I do not claim to be an expert in free energy studies, but I'm willing to learn and I'm climbing the learning curve. A colleague of mine has already worked on Bedini devices for a long time... and thinks there is a way to free energy functionality. I am not convinced, but I'm willing to bring what expertise I have to bear because this is such an important possibility to humanity.
Besides my work on fusion, solar, etc. -- I'm an experimental physicist with expertise in oscilloscopes.
But frankly I find the childish jibberish here to be counter-productive, a waste of time. Such nonsense.
I can test the FLEET and Bedini-type devices without your nonsensical jibberish that I've encountered here. You have totally failed to convince me that you guys (except Lawrence and perhaps observer) have ANYTHING to offer except crap.
So, I'm on my way. Ciao. Read the results in the peer-reviewed literature. Good luck with your stupid name-calling and nonsense, see how far that gets you.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
My background is fusion and alternative energy research. PhD work at Stanford, largely.
I do not claim to be an expert in free energy studies, but I'm willing to learn and I'm climbing the learning curve. A colleague of mine has already worked on Bedini devices for a long time... and thinks there is a way to free energy functionality. I am not convinced, but I'm willing to bring what expertise I have to bear because this is such an important possibility to humanity.
Besides my work on fusion, solar, etc. -- I'm an experimental physicist with expertise in oscilloscopes.
But frankly I find the childish jibberish here to be counter-productive, a waste of time. Such nonsense.
I can test the FLEET and Bedini-type devices without your nonsensical jibberish that I've encountered here. You have totally failed to convince me that you guys (except Lawrence and observer) have ANYTHING to offer except crap.
So, I'm on my way. Ciao. Read the results in the peer-reviewed literature. Good luck with your stupid name-calling and nonsense, see how far that gets you.
Big Deal, Mr. Stanford professor with experience in oscilloscopes. There must be umpteen of your types in Universities all over the world. Well. at least Lawrence will have a excuse that the world missed this great opportunity! Ciao indeed.
cheers
chrisC
QuoteI can test the FLEET and Bedini-type devices without your nonsensical jibberish that I've encountered here. You have totally failed to convince me that you guys (except Lawrence and observer) have ANYTHING to offer except crap.
Good. That's exactly what I suggested. Test whatever devices you wish and don't pop-up here before you are sure what you're talking about. Blabbering gibberish that Lawrence's nonsense is convincing is the crap you shoild've avoided to begin with. Therefore, your leaving now is nothing else but what should have happened in the first place. Cluttering this forum with gibberish such as yours is the least anybody needs here.
Prof,
They don't want you here...(the Powers that Be).
The first line of defense is to ridicule and attack
Please ignore the these posts...
(I also recommend checking in or reporting once per day or two to retain sanity.)
If you completely refuse to post here again, then they have won this battle.
I hope to communicate with you in the future.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
My background is fusion and alternative energy research. PhD work at Stanford, largely.
I do not claim to be an expert in free energy studies, but I'm willing to learn and I'm climbing the learning curve. A colleague of mine has already worked on Bedini devices for a long time... and thinks there is a way to free energy functionality. I am not convinced, but I'm willing to bring what expertise I have to bear because this is such an important possibility to humanity.
Besides my work on fusion, solar, etc. -- I'm an experimental physicist with expertise in oscilloscopes.
But frankly I find the childish jibberish here to be counter-productive, a waste of time. Such nonsense.
I can test the FLEET and Bedini-type devices without your nonsensical jibberish that I've encountered here. You have totally failed to convince me that you guys (except Lawrence and perhaps observer) have ANYTHING to offer except crap.
So, I'm on my way. Ciao. Read the results in the peer-reviewed literature. Good luck with your stupid name-calling and nonsense, see how far that gets you.
I (like some others here) may not have anything profound to add to this thread/joke. But neither do YOU, so why don't you do what you say and prove the clown right/wrong... obviously im leaning towards wrong
Quote from: The Observer on December 26, 2010, 12:55:08 AM
Prof,
They don't want you here...(the Powers that Be).
The first line of defense is to ridicule and attack
Please ignore the these posts...
(I also recommend checking in or reporting once per day or two to retain sanity.)
If you completely refuse to post here again, then they have won this battle.
I hope to communicate with you in the future.
Best Regards,
The Observer
I would love for you and Tseng to be correct in your assertions.. but so far all the forum has seen is theory + more theory...
back when everyone thought the earth was the center of the solar system, do you really think that anyone would be convinced other wise with just theory? I think not......
provide evidence, rock solid evidence for your claims and you might gather a polite audience.
Further more, to even suggest that there are some people here from the "Powers To Be" is redicluas... the people here who ridicule the clown.. ahhem, Tseng, are only doing so because he has provided no evidence that he has free energy, all the clown ever does is talk about religion, pictures of him eating cake and a freaking mickey mouse toy (THATS POWERED BY THE SUN!!!)
and you call us RUDE? people like Chris and my self arn't "rude", we just don't buy into the overly obvious waste of time.... I can't speak for him, but for me... I come here for two reasons (the HOPE that maybe, JUST maybe the clown can prove his claims) and if the first reason doesn't ring true (which it probably never will) the second reason is for entertainment.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 25, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
My background is fusion and alternative energy research. PhD work at Stanford, largely.
I do not claim to be an expert in free energy studies, but I'm willing to learn and I'm climbing the learning curve. A colleague of mine has already worked on Bedini devices for a long time... and thinks there is a way to free energy functionality. I am not convinced, but I'm willing to bring what expertise I have to bear because this is such an important possibility to humanity.
Besides my work on fusion, solar, etc. -- I'm an experimental physicist with expertise in oscilloscopes.
But frankly I find the childish jibberish here to be counter-productive, a waste of time. Such nonsense.
I can test the FLEET and Bedini-type devices without your nonsensical jibberish that I've encountered here. You have totally failed to convince me that you guys (except Lawrence and perhaps observer) have ANYTHING to offer except crap.
So, I'm on my way. Ciao. Read the results in the peer-reviewed literature. Good luck with your stupid name-calling and nonsense, see how far that gets you.
I admire you for your time and effort to at least hold a conversation here but you see you only waste your time. This is a playground for kids ..mostly which is a shame. Many of the contributors and hard working experimenters, real determined people have left the forum and set up on their own smaller dedicated forums elsewhere. We used to get 200 -500 postings a day now sometime lucky to get 20 messages per day and 18 of those are childish comments.
I do look forward to your results! Many thanks.
Quote from: bolt on December 26, 2010, 02:33:18 AM
I admire you for your time and effort to at least hold a conversation here but you see you only waste your time. This is a playground for kids ..mostly which is a shame. Many of the contributors and hard working experimenters, real determined people have left the forum and set up on their own smaller dedicated forums elsewhere. We used to get 200 -500 postings a day now sometime lucky to get 20 messages per day and 18 of those are childish comments.
I do look forward to your results! Many thanks.
The problem for the reduced interest lies elsewhere -- lack of evidence for a self-sustaining device and too many illiterares such as Lawrence infesting the bandwith of the forum with their useless banter.
Come on Clowns post some more!! kep this thing going :D :D :D
Quote from: bolt on December 26, 2010, 02:33:18 AM
I admire you for your time and effort to at least hold a conversation here but you see you only waste your time. This is a playground for kids ..mostly which is a shame. Many of the contributors and hard working experimenters, real determined people have left the forum and set up on their own smaller dedicated forums elsewhere. We used to get 200 -500 postings a day now sometime lucky to get 20 messages per day and 18 of those are childish comments.
I do look forward to your results! Many thanks.
Thanks Bolt and Observer.
QuoteMany of the contributors and hard working experimenters, real determined people have left the forum and set up on their own smaller dedicated forums elsewhere.
Where are these other forums? I found Energetics -- fascinating to read about the Ainsley research. I have been there in similar situations, more than once, and I sympathize with Rosemary Ainsley -- the difficulties with a new technology, the unfortunate in-fighting, the effort to PUBLISH in mainstream/established peer-reviewed literature. I wonder how she and her team are doing now...?
Has anyone been able to publish regarding free-energy devices -- mainstream/established peer-reviewed literature? PS -- I suppose I have the freedom to come here when I wish -- thanks, Observer and Bolt and Lawrence. I will try to ignore the mockers and learn from the few of you left here at OU who are serious.
I have learned that mockers do not produce, they just tear down. They should be ignored, you are right.
Prof,
You said,
QuoteI will try to ignore the mockers and learn from the few of you left here at OU who are serious.
At least you figured it out in single day.
It took me years.
Have a great day !
GodSpeed,
The Observer
O no you can't do that.
You know why?
Because you will become a CLOWN too ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's the Clown-virus :D
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 26, 2010, 11:10:38 AM
Thanks Bolt and Observer.
Where are these other forums?
I found Energetics -- fascinating to read about the Ainsley research. I have been there in similar situations, more than once, and I sympathize with Rosemary Ainsley -- the difficulties with a new technology, the unfortunate in-fighting, the effort to PUBLISH in mainstream/established peer-reviewed literature. I wonder how she and her team are doing now...?
Has anyone been able to publish regarding free-energy devices -- mainstream/established peer-reviewed literature?
PS -- I suppose I have the freedom to come here when I wish -- thanks, Observer and Bolt and Lawrence. I will try to ignore the mockers and learn from the few of you left here at OU who are serious.
I have learned that mockers do not produce, they just tear down. They should be ignored, you are right.
You write a lot like Lawrence... I don't believe you are who you say you are.
Well the Prof is real I know who he is and yes he will be taking delivery of Joule Thief setup and performing real lab tests. There are some people willing to put their neck on the line in the name of truth and more than you will ever know. ...well till he is ready to tell you himself after a full lab analysis at top US facility. Don't shoot the messenger you will get your wish!
If the test turns out its a load of crap then job done - move on! If not you best eat humble pie. Who can ask for more? There has been a ton of stuff here over the years and everyone says "you need independent scientific testing and peer reviewed" well your wish has come true.
Quote from: bolt on December 26, 2010, 06:58:11 PM
Well the Prof is real I know who he is and yes he will be taking delivery of Joule Thief setup and performing real lab tests. There are some people willing to put their neck on the line in the name of truth and more than you will ever know. ...well till he is ready to tell you himself after a full lab analysis at top US facility. Don't shoot the messenger you will get your wish!
If the test turns out its a load of crap then job done - move on! If not you best eat humble pie. Who can ask for more? There has been a ton of stuff here over the years and everyone says "you need independent scientific testing and peer reviewed" well your wish has come true.
nice. I'm looking forward to the results :)
FINALLY!! :)
Will the Clown soap end or ?
What do you think?
Quote from: bolt on December 26, 2010, 06:58:11 PM
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If the test turns out its a load of crap then job done - move on!..
You don't need a professor to tell you it's a load of crap. People with basic understanding of electronics and physics already know this is delusional crap.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 26, 2010, 11:10:38 AM
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there are some inventions that are worthy of investigation, physicsprof,
one of my favorite examples is the two stage oscillator, look for 'video 6' on youtube, the OU is obvious (but the frequency is not useful for me, a pump. i prefer solid state) and had you seen Patrick kellys book?
as for this transformer (topic), i believe the output of this transformer is actually like NMR except its with electrons (as thats whats magnetic in metals), like Electron-paramagnetic-resonance (EPR) or electron-spin-resonance (ESR). the resonant freq depends on magnetic field and the more intense, the higher the freq. the pulse is placed in might be returnable from EMF. but havnt done any EPR myself and i am not the tinker sort of guy, it has to work first time (or so) and i wont start unless i know everything.
there are a few devices in Kelley's book that might work on simular principals, like the Iron bar that has three coils on it and the magnet block with three coils on it... with the magnet (i believe), one coil is to mess up the magnet field so there are weak spots so 60hz would work.
i prefer to start a project that i know will work and will stay working... sometimes you can find simularites between devices and get a better picture on how they would work. for example graeme gundersons device works simular to the MEG, GG says the magnets can wear out (something you didnt know about the MEG?) i think its because of the Lenz in the generating coils repelling the magnet flux.
cb.
Quote from: bolt on December 26, 2010, 02:33:18 AM
.... real determined people have left the forum and set up on their own smaller dedicated forums elsewhere....
is there any list of these forums?
Quotei prefer to start a project that i know will work and will stay working... sometimes you can find simularites between devices and get a better picture on how they would work. for example graeme gundersons device works simular to the MEG, GG says the magnets can wear out (something you didnt know about the MEG?) i think its because of the Lenz in the generating coils repelling the magnet flux.
I have noticed that also, Resonance is a common part in FE devices but request a lot of tuning and knowledge about this, like a Radio Amator or a Tesla-Coiler...
Magnet pulsed and embedded in a core (or two C cores) seems a good solution, check Kunel patent for this, the lenz law apply to the magnet (physically) not to the control coil, in fact this is the same like moving the magnet physically, like a conventional generator. More you load, more you have some "Lorentz force" on your magnet, the magnet is pushed away, this why the magnet vibrate and must be glued (or better solidly embedded in a core.) --> a similarity with the TPU and it's gyroscopic/gravitational/vibrational anomaly !?
Maybe also replace the magnet by a DC bias coil (you can heavily saturate a core with a few watts) pulse it in reverse direction and collect the induced EMF... --> it looks like the pulsed bucking coils in reverse direction and create a so called "parametric transformer". I see a lot of resemblance about the theory and FE devices --> resonance, high Q, pulsed magnets or magnetics fields, power factor, tuning, etc...
Here with the Fleet devices I 'am very sceptic why ? Because of the large risk of measurement error: this is very difficult to measure distorded square wave, and the milliwatts range add nothing better... I prefer large scale overunity in watts range or even in the hundreds whatts range, and straight DC or beautiful sine waves measurement, and the guys know something about Power Factor measurement... (Reactive power vs Real power)...
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 27, 2010, 04:24:22 AM
I have noticed that also, Resonance is a common part in FE devices but request a lot of tuning and knowledge about this, like a Radio Amator or a Tesla-Coiler...
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Here with the Fleet devices I 'am very sceptic why ? Because of the large risk of measurement error: this is very difficult to measure distorded square wave, and the milliwatts range add nothing better... I prefer large scale overunity in watts range or even in the hundreds whatts range, and straight DC or beautiful sine waves measurement, and the guys know something about Power Factor measurement... (Reactive power vs Real power)...
i like to choose devices where the amount extra is obvious (two stage oscilator is an example), else once you are done your device consumes 1KW to make 100W. (COP1.1) sure you can boil water or something to recover it, but you may need to see where the energy is being wasted, after all, it takes energy to create a secondary effect where is the input energy going? into the output? can it be isolated?
when i said that lenz law aplies, i meant the output coil not control coils or magnet, the output coil creates a repelling force when the output is loaded and this is the force on your magnet. see the bittoroid stuff on this too.
sometimes resonance is misidintified, unneeded, and it is noteworthy that it is like your pencilcase - you put energy in and the energy is stored in the resonance (even if its from your OU device), and you can take the energy out, but stored resonance doesnt create energy inside the resonance but instead the components used when storing the energy can create energy like when the inductor has charge its got a usable magnetic field, when the capacitor has charge there is an electric field in between the plates. in the two stage osc it was a weight gain and pull in direction of the pend swing (because of changing acceleration)
we have been told that we can charge an inductor up to attract a magnet and then remove the charge from the inductor and get the EMF and the magnet is still moving towards it - to have an overunity motor. here in this magnet transformer, we charge the inductor up and attract the magnetic domains in the steel and we remove the charge from the inductor and we have the motion still in the domains in the steel due to resonance(just like a compass needle swinging before it settles to point at your magnet, here it is still moving), we moved the magnetic domains and they continued to move to a finite point then bounced back and forth in the other direction(s), and will finally settle back in the direction of "ambient" magnetism or thereabouts or on average.
Charlie.
with my replies so far i assumed the topic was still on the pulsed DC transformer, i just found out tsung just changed the device he was talking about without changing the subject (Re: Pulsed....)* and i see all talk about this new device is completely useless, because tseung has not given us any workable information causing people to comment on what they dont know...
can we keep the subject on what we can use - please?
*amittably when you click on reply down the bottom, the subject is automatically set to the topic name - which can be modified, but is better is to start a new topic if you have a new device.
Quote from: Charlieb000 on December 27, 2010, 05:13:19 AM
i like to choose devices where the amount extra is obvious (two stage oscilator is an example), else once you are done your device consumes 1KW to make 100W.
there is no proof of your claim
there is a lot of devices but I never seen consistant data on 2 stage oscilator ... on this forum no
do you know only one ?
Quotesometimes resonance is misidintified, unneeded, and it is noteworthy that it is like your pencilcase - you put energy in and the energy is stored in the resonance (even if its from your OU device), and you can take the energy out, but stored resonance doesnt create energy inside the resonance but instead the components used when storing the energy can create energy like when the inductor has charge its got a usable magnetic field, when the capacitor has charge there is an electric field in between the plates. in the two stage osc it was a weight gain and pull in direction of the pend swing (because of changing acceleration)
Yes you are all right, the resonance itself doesn't "create" energy inside the RLC tank, you have even a decay energy due to R loss --> here conventional physics is all right here.
If you can extract it (or rather convert Reactive energy into useful energy) via a motor or a transformer, why ?
Because creating magnetics (or electric) fieds cost nothing in real energy loaded or not if properly tuned.
This is why the rotoverter can be OU but you need to tune for each different loads the tank, (this is why some experimenter have failed, they are happy to run at idle a big motor at 60 watts but "forget" to retune when they loaded it. The lenz law decrease L untune LCR, destroy Q factor, and in the end you draw more and more real current like any conventional stuff...) If you tune at loaded state you can have one HP (746 watts) with 120 watts of real power (maybe the R losses)...
Same with trafos...
This not for nothing Tesla said one hundred years ago, "You need to tune the source (your LCR) to the load needs (your rotor, or secondary winding of a trafo)".
Note, this devices work with AC signal, no ugly and weirdo square waves...
I hope I have explained this clearly, this is a thing that you can't understand in a few minutes or in couple of phrase, a personal reasearch is necessary...
LT can prove/disprove this theory by replacing the square wave by AC, put a capa in parallel with the primary side.
1) Tune at not loaded state, measure input (real) power, beware cosPHI.
2) Put a load with a rectifier at secondary side (preferably a little bulb)...
3) Tune to the load needs and measure Ein vs Eout beware PF also...
------Ammeter-----------! Trafo 1:1
! ! !--------- ------!
! ! ! > !! < !
! ! C L !! L Rectifier---Ammeter--------
Sine GEN VoltMeter ! > !! < ! ! Voltmeter Bulb, Resistance...
! ! ! > !! < !--------------------------
! ! !--------- ------
--------------------------!
4) OK, this not a Fleet or a JT anymore, but a way to reduce measurment error risk...
Regards.
Quote from: tagor on December 27, 2010, 06:33:17 AM
there is no proof of your claim
there is a lot of devices but I never seen consistant data on 2 stage oscilator ... on this forum no
do you know only one ?
um.. i was not making a claim of overunity for the two stage oscilator in my message. the cop1.1 is an example, a response to the comment i replied to - any device with output like that i would not use because its a minimal surplus output and waste of resources.
two stage oscilator video 6:
that one is the only obvious one i know of and it is quite convincing (you find another one on the inventor's website). you can work out the output if you get the formulas on the forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_centrifugal_force
but this topic isnt about that so i will limit my talking about it.
cb.
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 27, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
If you can extract it (or rather convert Reactive energy into useful energy) via a motor or a transformer, why ?
Because creating magnetics (or electric) fieds cost nothing in real energy loaded or not if properly tuned.
This is why the rotoverter can be OU but you need to tune for each different loads the tank, (this is why some experimenter have failed, they are happy to run at idle a big motor at 60 watts but "forget" to retune when they loaded it. The lenz law decrease L untune LCR, destroy Q factor, and in the end you draw more and more real current like any conventional stuff...) If you tune at loaded state you can have one HP (746 watts) with 120 watts of real power (maybe the R losses).........
i do not think the rotorverter is OU, only the "shorted coil" (misnamed) part is overunity.
induction motors get more efficient when you load them heavily. when you have a three phase motor and putting caps on some of the phases you are taking them out of phase with the mains. did you know you can turn a induction motor into a generator? i believe that the caps are turning some coils into generator coils, and putting load on the input coil and viola, more efficient (energy not wasted = free energy). the shorted part is putting energy back into the coil from a capacitor (whicch recieved it in a way like the tesla switch) causing the coil to emit magnetism which attracts rotor.
as for the ugly weirdo square waves (i am talking about spikes), study how a switching power supply works, including how to momentarily turn the thing off when the output cap reaches the desired voltage, then you can monitor the input and output in a sensible mannar.
now i cant stick around all day everyday otherwise it would be as if i was a facebook user!
CB.
Quote from: Charlieb000 on December 27, 2010, 06:45:33 AM
two stage oscilator video 6:
that one is the only obvious one i know of and it is quite convincing (you find another one on the inventor's website). you can work out the output if you get the formulas on the forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_centrifugal_force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_centrifugal_force)
but this topic isnt about that so i will limit my talking about it.
cb.
I dont understand , where is the video 6 ?
there is nothing convincing on the inventor's website !!
you are speaking of watt , and now you give me a link on force !! , what is this ?
force is not energy
Quote from: Charlieb000 on December 27, 2010, 06:17:27 AM
with my replies so far i assumed the topic was still on the pulsed DC transformer, i just found out tsung just changed the device he was talking about without changing the subject (Re: Pulsed....)* and i see all talk about this new device is completely useless, because tseung has not given us any workable information causing people to comment on what they dont know...
can we keep the subject on what we can use - please?
*amittably when you click on reply down the bottom, the subject is automatically set to the topic name - which can be modified, but is better is to start a new topic if you have a new device.
Charlie,
Thanks for you comments.
You are obviously very sharp and we appreciate your time.
--> As far as topic name goes... it does not need to be changed. <--
Why?
A Common Joule Thief is a Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets. (what LT is using with a resonant circuit)
It's output is the result of the Magnets Turning under their own power (Anisotropic Energy mixed with Magnetic Energy) after the pulse.
The Embedded Magnets are Extremely Powerful, Atomic Sized and Rotate on a Dime.
Their Density and Strength are reflected in the parameter known as Magnetic Permeability.
This is why you need a Large High Permeability Core to make a JT light a CFL for the better part of a day.
You actually may be able to comprehend the following.. most don't (or at least think it's amazing).
A Piece of FerroMagnetic Material can AMPLIFY the Field of a Coil by 1,000 to 1,000,000 times without using any extra current !I believe when we all start talking about this... we will really be getting somewhere.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
Prototype A should be in the hands of the Physics Professor within the next few days. I expect that he will following the academic procedures and the report will take longer even if the results are positive.
Prototype C and a components package have also been shipped out via Federal Express this morining. The receivers are Bob Boyce and Major Todd Hathaway. They are both very well known in the alternative energy field. They will report the results much sooner.
It is conceivable that FLEET leading-out or bringing-in energy from the surrounding environment can be confirmed in USA before the end of 2010.
Thanks to the Almighty. The Energy Crisis is over.
OK let us wait............Clown
Quote from: tagor on December 27, 2010, 08:14:19 AM
I dont understand , where is the video 6 ?
i was assuming you would google it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8
hopefully my response is not too confusing, if it is then dont worry about it, this topic isnt about the 2SO:
as for "force is not energy", people think its gravity that makes it work - gravity is a force and accumulated it has energy. but i dont think its gravity. i think its the force that the link refers to. this "psuedoforce" occurs naturally due to the pendulum constantly accelerating on the pivot point. they call it psuedo (false) due to the other force (meantioned there) which is a true force (that is equal and opposite to the psuedo) which is observed. but there is no observed work done by this psuedo force therefore its false to them. the 2SO makes this force do work and you can use formulas to find the useful work (energy) output. the pendulum keeps on moving due to the conservation of energy (if you want to make it more efficient, make it saucer shaped to make it aerodyamic) and its swing is not effected by the load - or a little bit i guess depending on low loading (I/O on FE devices are never completely isolated). it is also due to the conservation of energy that these two equal and opposite forces occur in order to rotate the mass around a pivot.
what is being done is that the output is leached energy from the de-aceleration of the pendulum in one direction and while the momentum is removed the pendulum accelarates in the new direction.
i cant really explain it plainer than that.
Charlie.
Quote from: The Observer on December 27, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
The Embedded Magnets are Extremely Powerful, Atomic Sized and Rotate on a Dime.
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A Piece of FerroMagnetic Material can AMPLIFY the Field of a Coil by 1,000 to 1,000,000 times without using any extra current !
this torroid contains magnetic domains not premagentised magnets.
for this next bit you may need some research on magnetic domains in metals...
Tseung has said it has an extra coil on this torroid - if one coil has a small amount of current running through it constantly this turns the whole torroid into a mini weak magnet (the domains are biased) and all the other coil has to do is give a pulse and the domains start to precess (a 3 dimentional term for swing). try it with a compass, have a ceramic magnet to bias the compass (or the earth field even). by the way, magnetic domains in metal will not point to the magnetic source like the compass does, they will point randomly but more in the direction of the field (to maintain an average), so add another magnetic source for a moment but beside it and you will notice the swing, it momentarily points to your new magnet and then go back to the other (more random position) but it overshoots and swings till it points back. it will swing faster if your ceramic magnet is closer or stronger - same as with the coil strength on the torroid.
the domains also tend to flip suddenly and this should enhance the effect (in steel, not sure about torroids).
what you have here is a micro motor (if this theory is right and the design works), the coil with the LED captures the backemf and the precession energy. but i have mentioned already that other inventions in kelleys book work on this same process so dont limit yourself to what you think tsungs desing is.
as for the other thing
it requries energy in order to enlarge the field in a coil, and it requires more energy to enlarge the field in a coil with a core to the same point because there is greater magnetic capacity. i am unaware of any amplification (if you bring a metal close to a magnetised core, does it consume more now it has greater capacity? i dont know). i do know that when you put a metal close to a magnet it turns the metal into a magnet (which is why they attract) and so the magnet becomes stronger.....
Charlie.
have fun.
Yes he thinks he can amplify something by 5000 without increasing input :D
What a Clown
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 27, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
..
Thanks to the Almighty. The Energy Crisis is over.
Thanks to the Almighty, we have mental institutions for the mentally challenged.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Charlieb000 on December 27, 2010, 03:53:34 PM
i was assuming you would google it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)
hopefully my response is not too confusing, if it is then dont worry about it, this topic isnt about the 2SO:
as for "force is not energy", people think its gravity that makes it work - gravity is a force and accumulated it has energy. but i dont think its gravity. i think its the force that the link refers to. this "psuedoforce" occurs naturally due to the pendulum constantly accelerating on the pivot point. they call it psuedo (false) due to the other force (meantioned there) which is a true force (that is equal and opposite to the psuedo) which is observed. but there is no observed work done by this psuedo force therefore its false to them. the 2SO makes this force do work and you can use formulas to find the useful work (energy) output. the pendulum keeps on moving due to the conservation of energy (if you want to make it more efficient, make it saucer shaped to make it aerodyamic) and its swing is not effected by the load - or a little bit i guess depending on low loading (I/O on FE devices are never completely isolated). it is also due to the conservation of energy that these two equal and opposite forces occur in order to rotate the mass around a pivot.
what is being done is that the output is leached energy from the de-aceleration of the pendulum in one direction and while the momentum is removed the pendulum accelarates in the new direction.
i cant really explain it plainer than that.
Charlie.
yes I understand ... it is not scientific ... you have to believe it !!
The planned six conclusive experiments in 2011 to be done in USA
1. Two or more tuning forks in resonance or sympathetic vibration. The sound produced by two or more identical tuning forks sound louder and lasts longer than when one is struck alone The question is - where does the extra energy come from? The Tseung hypothesis states that the extra energy comes from ordering the random motion of the gas molecules to a pulsing order. The gas molecules have kinetic energy according to the well accepted Kinetic Theory of Gases. This means that even when sound travels through air, the pulsing or vibration orders the random motion of the molecules and leads-out or brings-in the kinetic energy of the gas molecules. This gives us a new understanding of resonance. External energy is brought into the system. This confirms the correctness of the Lead-out or bring-in energy theory.
2. Leading-out or bringing-in gravitational energy. The conclusive experiment was first observed by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in December 2004 when he stared at his pendulum swinging toy. Mr. Lawrence Tseung did the mathematics and concluded that two part of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical or gravitational energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out. The swinging pendulum toy from the market is a readily available prototype. To convert it to an energy extraction device, the amplitude of the swing should be large and operating at the “hitting the rim†positions. This can be confirmed by the Milkovic two stage pendulum video 6 seen on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8
3. Leading-out or bringing-in magnetic energy. If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy from a pulse-pushed pendulum, we must be able to extract magnetic energy from a magnetic pendulum. This is the famous Ms. Forever Yuen magnetic pendulum experiment. The ordinary pendulum was replaced by a magnet. Another magnet is place below it to provide either an attracting or repelling field. The period of oscillation will change. A magnetic field is much easier to control than the gravitational field. We can change its direction, its magnitude and even turn it on or off. The smallest magnet comes from the orbiting electron around the nucleus. There are trillions of atoms (and hence electrons) surrounding us. If sound resonance can lead-out or bring-in the kinetic energy of the moving molecules, electrical resonance (LCR resonance) should be able to bring out the electron motion energy of the atoms.
4. Listening to the sound energy of a resonating transformer. This conclusive experiment will be defined and directed by an overunity.com forum member â€" Observer. When one designs a transformer, one should avoid the resonance condition. In this case, Observer deliberately sets the vibrating source frequency to that of the transformer or toroid. A loud noise is heard at the resonance frequency. No sound will be heard at a higher or lower frequency. Approximately the same electrical energy is supplied at different frequencies. This can be explained from our understanding of the swing â€" if the pushing is not at the correct time (or frequency), the swing will not go very high.
5. The pulse rotating wheel. The pulse pushed oscillation motion can be changed into a rotational motion to achieve a much higher efficiency. This can be demonstrated in the Tong or the Bedini wheel. Mr. John Bedini demonstrated a large fourteen feet wheel and got the participants to build a small 3 magnet device at the Bedini Ferris Wheel Motor - at the Renaissance Conference - November 14th 2010. See http://prezi.com/pmtiqicgve1z/bedini-ferris-wheel-motor/
6. The FLEET (Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer). If we can lead-out electron motion energy via moving devices, we should be able to do the same with flux change devices. The initial idea was to experiment with a “Pulsed DC transformer with Embedded Magnetsâ€. That has evolved to the more general LCR resonance tuning on toroidal transformers. The pulsing was done with a Joule Thief Circuit. This is probably the cheapest demonstration device. The components cost less than USD3 and can be purchased or ordered on-line. The prototypes can be tuned with the help of two oscilloscopes displaying the instantaneous Input and Output Power waveforms. This experiment is being verified in multiple locations at present. COP (peak-to-peak or rms) > 200 has been achieved.
With Blessing from the Almighty, these six conclusive experiments will convince the scientists to do more investigation and research. The Lead-Out or Bring-in Energy theory will be accepted. Practical Machines will be built to benefit the World.
yes you plan and plan, but what happend to mister ping wang ho from the wang jong university?
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 28, 2010, 10:33:04 AM
COP (peak-to-peak or rms) > 200 has been achieved.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sure
DELUSIONAL CLOWN
I think you will have a bad taste in your mouth when you get to speak to the almighty....
Charlie,
Quote from: Charlieb000 on December 27, 2010, 04:18:49 PM
this torroid contains magnetic domains not premagentised magnets.
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as for the other thing
i am unaware of any amplification..
Charlie.
That you are aware of magnetic domains is impressive.
However, you seem unaware of what they are made up of and why they act like they do.
A Brief Summary of FerroMagnetic Materials1. Unpaired Free Electron Spin in FerroMagnetic Materials Produce an Atomic Sized Magnetic Moment.
2 .These Atomic Sized Dipoles line up to their neighbors when they Newtonianly shouldn't. (dipoles should skew in close proximity)
- A Quantum Energy called
Anisotropic Energy is Responsible for this Anomaly.
3. When Many Millions of Atoms line up in a 'Domain', they react with the neighboring domain in the Newtonian Way (they Skew).
4. The Boundary between Domains (consisting of the atomic dipoles lined up when they shouldn't) is called a
Bloch Wall.
- The Dipoles form a Soliton Standing Wave between Domains.. see pics below.
5. A FerroMagnetic Substance has a
HUGE Internal Magnetic Moment as a Result.
- This Magnetic Moment is reflected in the Parameter known as Magnetic Permeability.
6. The Magnetic Permeability is what lets you know how much a Coil's Field is AMPLIFIED (multiplied if you wish)
- The Following is the Formula for the Magnetic Field of a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid. (99.0 % of all substances are ~1, Ferros are ` 500 to 1 Million))
- Study the formula closely, it reveals that A FerroMagnetic Material AMPLIFIES a Coil's Magnetic Field by 1,000 to 1,000,000 times !
I hope you can see that I have studied this extensively..
and that you realize that Domains are made up of Atomic sized Magnets.Best Regards,
The Observer
Consider a unidirectional pulsed field traversing domains at the propagation velocity of a material containing those domains.
Now wrap that material into a loop (toroid) and then consider how much unidirectional pulse energy is required to continue the process indefinitely.
What practical purposes can a ring resonator be put to?
Instead of ridiculing others and calling them names, you people should be doing experiments and testing results. I am amazed at how much this forum has degraded since I used to participate.
I am not sticking up for anyone here, I am just trying to make a point. Do not be too quick to judge others, especially if you have not put forth any effort yourself.
I personally experimented with a small toroidal version of the "joule thief" in 2009, and did note some COP >2.5 results when it was tuned just right. I was not really impressed with the small amount of output, but that's just me. I would not call it a failure, as it did exhibit a COP of greater than 1. I just do not have many applications for milliwatt level power sources.
All of that aside, I have agreed to put Prototype C to the test. Since it looks to be similar to what I have already experimented with, I think that I'll have a good shot at getting it to perform to the best of its ability.
Bob Boyce
Be carefull Bob or you will become a Clown too.
I thinkj you made some measurement error.
Quote from: XS-NRG on December 28, 2010, 04:48:03 PM
Be carefull Bob or you will become a Clown too.
I thinkj you made some measurement error.
I've been doing advanced energy research for long enough to know how to make measurements of complex waveforms. Most of the long-term members here know me, and some have even visited my lab, or met with me elsewhere to verify results with their own test equipment.
As far as being called a clown, I have been called far worst. I really don't care. I would rather be the one being called names, than to be the one doing the name-calling.
What have you contributed to this forum, other than repeated insults aimed at others? Don't bother answering. Looking at your "stellar" posting history here, the answer to that question is self-evident.
Bob Boyce
Bob, Thank you for returning to OverUnity.
May I ask a question about your Electrolyzer? Approximately how long did it take for the TOROID CORE WINDINGS to "Spin Up" to FULL OUTPUT after the power was turned on?
Thank you.
.
Quote from: The Observer on December 28, 2010, 01:20:46 PM
Charlie,
That you are aware of magnetic domains is impressive.
However, you seem unaware of what they are made up of and why they act like they do.
i only looked as far as wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_domain
and i saw the picture with the "patches" of metal all aligned in one direction and the crude drawings of the same and never thought it appeared as mazes. i will have to say im still not completely convinced and still think that the only amplifying done is the larger capacity of the inductor. also if such magnifying is possible we will see a 100,000 to 100,000,000 cop device soon (100 being unity). by the way, how does your text book use the word 'amplify'?
Bob, its not hard (it shouldnt be) to turn a little miliwatt device into a large device, look at that little transformer in the computer switching power supplies, these things can pass quite alot probably as much as 5.3KW. (250VRMS*15A, thats the rating of some plug-in welders - they are lightweight not the heavy type) all that needs doing is to increase the frequency (maybe the size a little too). can you post your joule thief design? and did it need adjusting to a particular freq (if not how did you tune it)? did you put it to use in a clock or something portable- still running?
(continuing from my theory before) a torroid will work better because it should keep the field uniform through the magnetic path for singular frequency resonance of the electron spins..
Charlie.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 28, 2010, 05:59:44 PM
I've been doing advanced energy research for long enough to know how to make measurements of complex waveforms. Most of the long-term members here know me, and some have even visited my lab, or met with me elsewhere to verify results with their own test equipment.
As far as being called a clown, I have been called far worst. I really don't care. I would rather be the one being called names, than to be the one doing the name-calling.
What have you contributed to this forum, other than repeated insults aimed at others? Don't bother answering. Looking at your "stellar" posting history here, the answer to that question is self-evident.
Bob Boyce
Thanks to Bob I decided to see for myself what XS-NRG has contributed and as far as I can tell all he has done is wore out the word clown. He uses the word in almost every post of his but if he forgets to use it in one post he just doubles it up in his next post. He's associated himself with the word clown more than he could ever have done so for someone else. If I didn't know any better I would consider him as a tool for the government but I"m not that paranoid and I can tell that he's just the common everyday internet troll. If we would just ignore him he would sooner or later get bored and find some other meassage forum to write clown in.
Good job, we all know who the real clown is!
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 28, 2010, 05:59:44 PM
I've been doing advanced energy research for long enough to know how to make measurements of complex waveforms. Most of the long-term members here know me, and some have even visited my lab, or met with me elsewhere to verify results with their own test equipment.
Bob Boyce
I don't believe it.
I do believe however that you will turn into a Clown
Bob, could you please explain in more detail what do you mean by "making measurements of complex waveforms". Thanks.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 28, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
I personally experimented with a small toroidal version of the "joule thief" in 2009, and did note some COP >2.5 results when it was tuned just right. I was not really impressed with the small amount of output, but that's just me. I would not call it a failure, as it did exhibit a COP of greater than 1. I just do not have many applications for milliwatt level power sources.
Bob Boyce
Bob, you would serve this forum by explaining how you tune such toroidal coil 'just right', rather than state you did.
I could simply note here that I can turn iron into gold by creating the right conditions.
This doesn't prove it can be done.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 28, 2010, 05:59:44 PM
Most of the long-term members here know me...
Yes, we do. And it is great to see you here.
You would have more chance teaching a hog the Argentinian Tango than getting through
to certain people on this thread. They haven't done their homework because they don't
want to know.
I wonder if you care to warn certain people in certain threads about the dangers of TPUs.
I gather that they can bite and can bite savagely.
Paul-R.
Quote from: robbie47 on December 29, 2010, 05:16:10 AM
Bob, you would serve this forum by explaining how you tune such toroidal coil 'just right', rather than state you did.
I could simply note here that I can turn iron into gold by creating the right conditions.
This doesn't prove it can be done.
Since the value of L in a simple toroidal RLC oscillator is fairly well fixed for any given wind, you alter the values of C and R to adjust the range and use a fine tune potentiometer in series with R to tune within that range.
Tuning for peak output is also not difficult, if one has access to analog test equipment. Direct measurement using digital measurement equipment simply cannot be trusted, as EMI/RFI and reactance can cause huge measurement errors. Interference aside, digital equipment relies upon sample readings, and sample rates can all too often line up with peak or null readings to produce false averages. In a nutshell, it would be wise to invest in some high quality analog panel meters, and always assume that there may be EMI/RFI present. These analog meters can be found at surplus outlets all over the world. A couple of high end analog multimeters would be a wise investment as well. Digital meters should never be relied upon in EMI/RFI prone environments.
There are several averaging methods which can be employed, one of which is to use temperature rise of a resistive calibrated load. Be sure the load is resistive, as it is getting harder to find good non-inductive resistors as time goes on. Another is to rectify and filter the output heavilly, then still measure using analog meters to prevent possible induced EMI/RFI errors. Many of these sort of devices are radiant in nature. Hence, they may radiate RF, which can and will alter test readings if one is not dilligent.
One area most often overlooked is in the power source or supply. Pulsed loads can also cause measurement errors in calculating average power consumption. It is important to also properly isolate your power source from EMI/RFI to prevent induced errors or power supply instability, and to ensure that you are truly measuring average voltage and current drawn from the power source.
I cannot give you a one fits all fixed solution, as every situation will be different, and must be dealt with accordingly. I prefer to encase my large toroids in Faraday cages to eliminate EMI/RFI radiation. Since they are not the typical electromagnetic device, it's not an issue for me. However, doing this with most radiant energy devices can adversely affect performance. Most require an influx of electromagnetic energy to exhibit the apparent effect(s).
Let me close by stating that I do not believe in "free energy" or the use of the term "overunity". These buzz words cause nothing but grief for those of us that endeavor for a better understanding of what is taking place in certain circumstances where there are apparent anomolous energy effects. What I do believe is that it can be possible to extract more energy out of a process than what WE put into it, ie a COP of greater than 1. This energy does not come from nowhere, and it certainly is not free. We have to build an apparatus to intercept it, and that costs money. No more so than wind energy, solar energy, or hydro energy, to name a few, yet those are now widely accepted. To tap into the wheelworks of nature is not free energy, and does not violate the laws of physics, yet so many are offended at the very concept. To each their own.
I hope this has helped, but I will not hijack this thread to discuss this further, or to answer questions about my designs. Please do not ask me to, I will not respond. Please show respect for the thread owner and thread contents, even if you may not agree with them. The lack of respect has led to the decline of many good forums.
Bob Boyce
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 29, 2010, 09:27:56 AM
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Let me close by stating that I do not believe in "free energy" or the use of the term "overunity". These buzz words cause nothing but grief for those of us that endeavor for a better understanding of what is taking place in certain circumstances where there are apparent anomalous energy effects. What I do believe is that it can be possible to extract more energy out of a process than what WE put into it, ie a COP of greater than 1. This energy does not come from nowhere, and it certainly is not free. We have to build an apparatus to intercept it, and that costs money. No more so than wind energy, solar energy, or hydro energy, to name a few, yet those are now widely accepted. To tap into the wheelworks of nature is not free energy, and does not violate the laws of physics, yet so many are offended at the very concept. To each their own.
I hope this has helped, but I will not hijack this thread to discuss this further, or to answer questions about my designs. Please do not ask me to, I will not respond. Please show respect for the thread owner and thread contents, even if you may not agree with them. The lack of respect has led to the decline of many good forums.
Bob Boyce
@Bob Boyce, thank you very much for posting here. You have added much value in a couple of posts.
I would like to emphasize that I also do not believe in “free energy†or that the Law of Conservation of Energy can be violated. With the Lee-Tseung Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory, energy is brought-in from the surrounding environment. The six conclusive experiments to be done in USA in 2011 will prove that.
The new understanding I believe I have brought into this COP > 1 field are:
1. Sound resonance is due to the vibrating tuning fork giving order to the random motion of the air molecules. Molecular kinetic energy is brought-in to make the sound louder and lasts longer.
2. Gravitational energy can be brought-in via the pulse-pushed pendulum. The mathematics should that two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical of gravitational energy. The two stage Milkovic pendulum is a good example.
3. If gravitational energy can be brought-in, magnetic energy mush be able to be brought-in. This is the famous Ms. Forever Yuen magnetic pendulum experiment.
4. The forum member, Observer, will show the resonating transformer. When the frequency of the pulsing source is varied to match that of the transformer, a loud sound will be heard. The same amount of electrical energy is supplied at other frequencies but no sound will be heard.
5. The pulsed rotating wheel. I have the Tong Wheel. But others such as Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang, etc all did similar great work. The basic theory is that the oscillating motion is preplaced by the much more efficient rotational motion.
6. The FLEET (Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer). With a less than US$3 device, we can demonstrate that Output Power is greater than Input Power. All universities or research organizations with two oscilloscopes can demonstrate that. The extra energy comes from the orbiting electrons that act as tinny magnets or dipoles.
We shall compare notes on the tuning techniques used and to be used. There will be plenty of fun and learning.
God will send Angels at the right time. Some appeared at the Birth of Christ.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 29, 2010, 09:27:56 AM
Please do not ask me to, I will not respond.
Bob Boyce
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 29, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
God will send Angels at the right time. Some appeared at the Birth of Christ.
RESPECT
Bob,
Thanks for the posts, we appreciate it.
Don't worry about hi-jacking this thread.
It's been Jacked (I think you noticed)... yet we still persist.
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Charlie,
Thanks for your post.
That you repeated back to me this... is a step in the right direction.
Quotealso if such magnifying is possible we will see a 100,000 to 100,000,000 cop device soon (100 being unity).
by the way, how does your text book use the word 'amplify'?
Please Please consider the formula that describes the Magnetic Field Inside of a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
-
99.0 % of all substances are ~ 1, Ferros are 500 to 1 Million) It is clear that a Ferro Core Multiplies the Magnetic Field of the Coil by many, many, many, many times.
Perhaps you would be inclined to believe the N
ational High Magnetic Field Lab at Florida State.
Here...http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page4.html
you will find the following statement.
QuoteWe can improve the magnetic field power of this solenoid even more by inserting an iron alloy core in the middle.
Remember our iron atoms of earlier, and how each was a tiny little magnet?
Well, when you put the iron alloy core into a magnetic field,
all the atoms in the iron align with it and
in so doing, boost the magnet's field strength significantly <--------
yet without using more electricity!
Until a person can see
Randomly Oriented Atomic Sized Magnetic Dipoles
turning to ALIGN with the Coil
Which ADDs to the Coil's Field.
Mag Field = Coil + Core you will be stumped.
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LT,
You said,
Quote1. Sound resonance is due to the vibrating tuning fork giving order to the random motion of the air molecules.
Molecular kinetic energy is brought-in to make the sound louder and lasts longer.
I highly disagree... about the Air being the reason for the extra energy in the Tuning Fork Experiment.
1.
The Energy comes from ---> What Is Resonating ! <---
2. The Air is NOT resonating, in the tuning forks,
it is the Fork's Molecules that are Doing what You Claim.3. Air will do it, But a Volume of Air Needs to be what is Resonated (ie. an Acoustic Guitar or Helmholtz Resonator).
Please think about this... Air is the carrier of energy for the tuning forks.
You can make a fork resonate with an attached Piezo buzzer... no air needed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
GodSpeed,
The Observer
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 29, 2010, 09:27:56 AM
Since the value of L in a simple toroidal RLC oscillator is fairly well fixed for any given wind, you alter the values of C and R to adjust the range and use a fine tune potentiometer in series with R to tune within that range.
Tuning for peak output is also not difficult, if one has access to analog test equipment. Direct measurement using digital measurement equipment simply cannot be trusted, as EMI/RFI and reactance can cause huge measurement errors. Interference aside, digital equipment relies upon sample readings, and sample rates can all too often line up with peak or null readings to produce false averages. In a nutshell, it would be wise to invest in some high quality analog panel meters, and always assume that there may be EMI/RFI present. These analog meters can be found at surplus outlets all over the world. A couple of high end analog multimeters would be a wise investment as well. Digital meters should never be relied upon in EMI/RFI prone environments.
There are several averaging methods which can be employed, one of which is to use temperature rise of a resistive calibrated load. Be sure the load is resistive, as it is getting harder to find good non-inductive resistors as time goes on. Another is to rectify and filter the output heavilly, then still measure using analog meters to prevent possible induced EMI/RFI errors. Many of these sort of devices are radiant in nature. Hence, they may radiate RF, which can and will alter test readings if one is not dilligent.
One area most often overlooked is in the power source or supply. Pulsed loads can also cause measurement errors in calculating average power consumption. It is important to also properly isolate your power source from EMI/RFI to prevent induced errors or power supply instability, and to ensure that you are truly measuring average voltage and current drawn from the power source.
I cannot give you a one fits all fixed solution, as every situation will be different, and must be dealt with accordingly. I prefer to encase my large toroids in Faraday cages to eliminate EMI/RFI radiation. Since they are not the typical electromagnetic device, it's not an issue for me. However, doing this with most radiant energy devices can adversely affect performance. Most require an influx of electromagnetic energy to exhibit the apparent effect(s).
Let me close by stating that I do not believe in "free energy" or the use of the term "overunity". These buzz words cause nothing but grief for those of us that endeavor for a better understanding of what is taking place in certain circumstances where there are apparent anomolous energy effects. What I do believe is that it can be possible to extract more energy out of a process than what WE put into it, ie a COP of greater than 1. This energy does not come from nowhere, and it certainly is not free. We have to build an apparatus to intercept it, and that costs money. No more so than wind energy, solar energy, or hydro energy, to name a few, yet those are now widely accepted. To tap into the wheelworks of nature is not free energy, and does not violate the laws of physics, yet so many are offended at the very concept. To each their own.
I hope this has helped, but I will not hijack this thread to discuss this further, or to answer questions about my designs. Please do not ask me to, I will not respond. Please show respect for the thread owner and thread contents, even if you may not agree with them. The lack of respect has led to the decline of many good forums.
Bob Boyce
It's a long story, but hollow as an empty beer keg.
i dont remember saying
"Sound resonance is due to the vibrating tuning fork giving order to the random motion of the air molecules. Molecular kinetic energy is brought-in to make the sound louder and lasts longer."
its wrong, no energy is brought in, because its the energy used to start the resonance still bouncing around in the fork. and this order given is merely pressure energy of sound.
as for the other thing, (i prefer a second source to confirm mine (and your) opinions, just for verification)
it says iron being placed into a magnetic field while the fileld is up. this sounds like what happens with the overunity motors. but in a transformer situation you cant add iron every time there is a pulse, you use whats in there and if iron is added beforehand the inductor storage capacity is large.
Charlie.
Today I received Prototype A, sent to my address from Irvine, California.
Thank you, Lawrence, it has arrived.
I inspected the circuit for any poor connections -- everything looked fine.
Next I inserted one AA battery into the circuit as outlined by Lawrence, and both LED's lit up. So the circuit checked out with this simple test.
I immediately analyzed voltage drops using a multimeter... very interesting. Next -- oscilloscope and other studies. But I will refrain from posting final results here until the results are complete.
--Professor J.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 29, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Today I received Prototype A, sent to my address from Irvine, California.
Thank you, Lawrence, it has arrived.
I inspected the circuit for any poor connections -- everything looked fine.
Next I inserted on AA battery into the circuit as outlined by Lawrence, and both LED's lit up. So the circuit checked out with this simple test.
I immediately analyzed voltage drops using a multimeter... very interesting. Next -- oscilloscope and other studies. But I will refrain from posting final results here until the results are complete.
--Professor J.
Good luck. I wish you could have a way to contact prof. Kincheloe (an old friend of prof. Sturrock and a professor emeritus at Stanford). He would bevery interested in these studies.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on December 29, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Today I received Prototype A, sent to my address from Irvine, California.
Thank you, Lawrence, it has arrived.
I inspected the circuit for any poor connections -- everything looked fine.
Next I inserted one AA battery into the circuit as outlined by Lawrence, and both LED's lit up. So the circuit checked out with this simple test.
I immediately analyzed voltage drops using a multimeter... very interesting. Next -- oscilloscope and other studies. But I will refrain from posting final results here until the results are complete.
--Professor J.
I also received a package today, containing Prototype C and the components set. Thank you Lawrence.
Upon inspection, I found a broken connection. One resistor lead was hanging loose, and one terminal of the potentiometer was unconnected with traces of solder on it. It looks to be where the resistor lead should have been connected.
I performed the powerup test as directed, and both LEDs lit up. This was tested with the resistor lead unconnected, and connected. An average operating frequency shift was observed when the resistor lead was connected.
Power consumption was tested, but no further testing or tuning was attempted at this point. I prefer to wait for verification of the loose resistor lead placement before proceeding any further.
Bob Boyce
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 29, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
@Bob Boyce, thank you very much for posting here. You have added much value in a couple of posts.
I would like to emphasize that I also do not believe in “free energy†or that the Law of Conservation of Energy can be violated. With the Lee-Tseung Lead-out or Bring-in Energy theory, energy is brought-in from the surrounding environment. The six conclusive experiments to be done in USA in 2011 will prove that. . .
2. Gravitational energy can be brought-in via the pulse-pushed pendulum. The mathematics should that two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical of gravitational energy. The two stage Milkovic pendulum is a good example.
on the tuning techniques used and to be used. There will be plenty of fun and learning.
These are not consistent statements. How can you say you do not believe in free energy, and at the same time promote this "energy from gravity?"
It is known that gravity is not depleted over time. An object of the same mass will continue to exert the exact same gravitational pull. So where does your "energy from gravity" come from? What source is being depleted to make this energy?
You have never answered this question, though I have asked many many times. Could you please provide an answer?
Charlie,
My last post was addressed to 3 people.
I separated each note with a ----------------------------------------------------
I first addressed Bob, then addressed you, then addressed LT (Lawerance Tseung).
Knowing this, I hope you can make more sense of my last post.
Can you now 'see' the Embedded Magnets in a Common Transformer Core now?
That's how our conversation started.
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PhysicsProf/ Bob,
Thanks for you posts.
As both of you might have surmised, I believe energy can be harvested from Ferromagnetic Substances.
That is, free electron spin produces a magnetic field that can be utilized.
As opposed to Paid For Electron 'Spin', a coil hooked to a battery.
I claim that Conservation of Energy is not adhered to when today's Physicists consider the operation of a common speaker.
In short, a Common Speaker that does not use Ferromagnetic Substances (a Magnet & a Core) takes a lot more energy to run.
Here are the fine points.
1. Test the output of the Regular Speaker for a given tone.
2. Take that Regular Speaker and
a. replace the Magnet with a Coil
b. take out the Ferro out of the coil connected to the amp.
3. Now power up your coil (magnet replacement) and play the tone again.
a. you will need Paid For Electron Spin to run the Coil (magnet replacement)
b. you will need more Paid For Electron Spin to run the Coil (connected to the amp) to get the same tone.
c. the same tone takes WAY more energy to produce now !
d. this is the energy required to make the tone (TRUE CONSERVATION of ENERGY)
4. The Energy it takes to set-up a Dynamic Magnetic System has been ignored by the scientific community.
5. Simply replacing the magnet with a more powerful magnet results in a louder sound.
a. the extra energy comes from the more powerful magnet.
If you read my all my posts, and the subsequent responses... you will find that I pretty much stand alone in my assertions.
I not only hope you gentlemen have success with your test, but also perhaps that you understand what I am talking about.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
QuoteThese are not consistent statements. How can you say you do not believe in free energy, and at the same time promote this "energy from gravity?"
It is known that gravity is not depleted over time. An object of the same mass will continue to exert the exact same gravitational pull. So where does your "energy from gravity" come from? What source is being depleted to make this energy?
You have never answered this question, though I have asked many many times. Could you please provide an answer?
Maybe he is base his theory with the TPU gravity anomaly effect, when you pump against gravity the result is absence of gravity around the device, but the "gravity reservoir" is not depleted against time (Some "legend" about UFO tell the EBE use this system). Same thing with device that pump against time (the time slowing and stopping) or with the thermal environement (temperature droop and if you load more the device become superconducting refresh at 0 K...)
In this case we can say "The law of conservation is not violated" but you tap into an unlimited reservoir (Time, Gravity, and ZPE are unlimited in nature...).
My conviction is also we pump into something, but this "reservoir" is unlimited and does not deplete over time and whatever the amount of load, unlike wind, solar, nuclear, those tecnology are conventional and even the solar deplete... ( the sun run out of fuel in 5 billions year... )
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on December 30, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
Maybe he is base his theory with the TPU gravity anomaly effect, when you pump against gravity the result is absence of gravity around the device, but the "gravity reservoir" is not depleted against time (Some "legend" about UFO tell the EBE use this system). Same thing with device that pump against time (the time slowing and stopping) or with the thermal environement (temperature droop and if you load more the device become superconducting refresh at 0 K...)
In this case we can say "The law of conservation is not violated" but you tap into an unlimited reservoir (Time, Gravity, and ZPE are unlimited in nature...).
My conviction is also we pump into something, but this "reservoir" is unlimited and does not deplete over time and whatever the amount of load, unlike wind, solar, nuclear, those tecnology are conventional and even the solar deplete... ( the sun run out of fuel in 5 billions year... )
As soon as you start talking about an unlimited reservoir of something, you are violating the law of COE. In the universe as we know it, there is a finite amount of everything, though those amounts can be quite large.
It is fine if you want to say that the law does not apply and is wrong and prove that up, but to insist on the law being correct while promoting an unlimited reservoir of anything just does not make sense.
Quote from: The Observer on December 30, 2010, 12:53:26 PM
If you read my all my posts, and the subsequent responses... you will find that I pretty much stand alone in my assertions.
I not only hope you gentlemen have success with your test, but also perhaps that you understand what I am talking about.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
Your posts show that you know absolutely nothing about the underlying mechanism of magnetism.
I was hoping to see some power measurements from the prof and Bob and i wonder why Lawrence didn't send one over to Stefan.
Quote from: utilitarian on December 30, 2010, 01:44:00 PM
As soon as you start talking about an unlimited reservoir of something, you are violating the law of COE. In the universe as we know it, there is a finite amount of everything, though those amounts can be quite large.
It is fine if you want to say that the law does not apply and is wrong and prove that up, but to insist on the law being correct while promoting an unlimited reservoir of anything just does not make sense.
Quite the contrary. We know exactly the opposite to what you're saying we know. We know that Universe is infinite and there is indeed an infinite amount of energy in it. The problem is that a device which taps into such pre-existing energy reservoir is not an OU device. It is a conventional device working by spending already existing energy. OU device taps into no pre-existing energy reservoir.
Quote from: XS-NRG on December 30, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
We know that Clowns exist.
We know that water is wet too.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 30, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
We know that water is wet too.
How?
I have been told it never touches.
And who is "we" anyway?
Quote from: XS-NRG on December 30, 2010, 04:36:33 PM
How?
I have been told it never touches.
And who is "we" anyway?
The "we" are those who take showers every day or at least from time to time, not to speak about those poor fellows in the tropics having to endure that tropical rain every day.
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Bla bla bla your all looking in the wrong direction , But hey! did you test that thing yet?
Your not going to say you cannot verify it because of a loose wire are you?
I guess it makes no difference because you already claimed those things to exibit OU, so we already know the outcome of your test.
It's just that i don't believe therse things are OU so it never hurts to check twice right.
If these things are not OU you are a Clown.
Hello,
in order to end a false concept that identical masses fall all with the same acceleration in a gravitational field, please watch the following experiment which was performed in the famous german ZARM-Tower ( drop-experiments) in Bremen.
Aluminum drops faster than Lithium and Lead (!! )
This experiment raised an upheaval among the physicists and technicians working at ZARM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkNjvCmsWOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkNjvCmsWOU)
This here is the description by Prof. Gyula Szasz :
Drop Experiment at the University of Bremen (ZARM) 06/21/2004. EXPERIMENTUM CRUCIS
The experiment shows the inside of an (aluminium-) drop capsule in the drop tower (110 m) of ZARM. During the fall of the test bodies (Lithium
- , Beryllium [Be], Bor , Carbon [C], Aluminium [Al], Iron [Fe], Plumb [Pb]) you can see the different accelerations between the elements.
But the accepted physics says that these bodies should all have the same acceleration!
The drop experiment is the falsification of the UFF, of Galilei's law. What causes the gravitation:
Szász has discovered the elementary gravitational charges g(k) of the four stable particles electron, positron, proton and elton (so called 'antiproton') as the second fundamental physical property of the four elementary particles.
What is a positron (p)? It is a stable particle with elementary electric charge q(p) = + q and with elementary gravitational charge g(p) = + g m(e). The electron has the elementary gravitational charge g(e) = - g m(e). The elementary masses of electron and proton m(e) and m(P) are to be used in order to calculate the masses of all bodies. The universal gravitational constant is G(grav.) = g^2/4pi.
Both interactions between the particles propagate with c and the space-time structure has a Minkowski metric.
But the localisation and the velocity of the particles are never determinable exactly.
The new Law of Fall, the acceleration depends on the isotop composition, founds a NEW PHYSICS.
I inform you that a thread in Physics Forum was dispensed in which the missed experimental verification of UFF in physics was discussed.
No further comment by me
Regards
Kator01
Einstein is not only wrong but he is ridiculous and that is not because of this or other experiment. His sorry creation called Einstein's "theory" of relativity does not even qualify as a theory because it is based on internal contradictions. Never has physics experienced such a travesty in its entire history. Theories have been found wrong but none of them has ever been internally inconsistent as the said "theory". It's a shame we even speak about that stupidity. Along this same line of thought, there should never be any scientific discourse involving non-physical notions such as Minkowski space. All those string theories, cosmology and and traces of that in any theory should be removed without delay and their entirety if physics is to restore its integrity.
yes Omnibus
all that stuff has got to go.
and it needs to be replaced by a working prototype.
if that's not possible we might replace it by many Clowns since the result will be the same.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 27, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
Prototype A should be in the hands of the Physics Professor within the next few days. I expect that he will following the academic procedures and the report will take longer even if the results are positive.
Prototype C and a components package have also been shipped out via Federal Express this morining. The receivers are Bob Boyce and Major Todd Hathaway. They are both very well known in the alternative energy field. They will report the results much sooner.
It is conceivable that FLEET leading-out or bringing-in energy from the surrounding environment can be confirmed in USA before the end of 2010.
Thanks to the Almighty. The Energy Crisis is over.
Prototype A and C have arrived at the hands of the intended verifiers. The first successful FLEET prototype was demonstrated on July 13 (reply 434 on page 29). Much historical information is available on this thread - thanks to Stefan. The diary form of posting does have its value.
Bob Boyce and I communicated via phone today. When I get back from the ski resort on Jan 2, 2011, we shall work more closely. Confirmation of COP greater than 1 with videos, scope shots, computer analysis results etc will be out soon. He also has the Bedini three magnet wheel.
We may combine the two in a future conference. The participants will have two working COP > 1 devices to take home. When hundreds or thousands of people have and can build such prototypes, the Energy Crisis will be over.
The bonus may be the HHO device with much higher output power from Bob.
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 30, 2010, 07:56:13 PM
Prototype A and C have arrived at the hands of the intended verifiers. The first successful FLEET prototype was demonstrated on July 13 (reply 434 on page 29). Much historical information is available on this thread - thanks to Stefan. The diary form of posting does have its value.
Bob Boyce and I communicated via phone today. When I get back from the ski resort on Jan 2, 2011, we shall work more closely. Confirmation of COP greater than 1 with videos, scope shots, computer analysis results etc will be out soon. He also has the Bedini three magnet wheel.
We may combine the two in a future conference. The participants will have two working COP > 1 devices to take home. When hundreds or thousands of people have and can build such prototypes, the Energy Crisis will be over.
The bonus may be the HHO device with much higher output power from Bob.
So, then, why don't you send a device to Stefan for verification (if he agrees to do that)?
Quote from: XS-NRG on December 30, 2010, 07:11:34 PM
yes Omnibus
all that stuff has got to go.
and it needs to be replaced by a working prototype.
if that's not possible we might replace it by many Clowns since the result will be the same.
Einstein is the biggest clown of all. Why don't you pick on him? I'll tell you why -- you are not equipped to deal with his stuff. These here you consider clowns are easy targets. Pretty harmless at that. Go get the big fish. Yeah, sure, if you only knew what that's all about.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 30, 2010, 09:01:22 PM
Einstein is the biggest clown of all. Why don't you pick on him? I'll tell you why -- you are not equipped to deal with his stuff. These here you consider clowns are easy targets. Pretty harmless at that. Go get the big fish. Yeah, sure, if you only knew what that's all about.
You have been knocking einstein for a long time now. Do you have anything peer reviewed that might actually prove him wrong?
Einstein actually explains what gravity is, which is pretty revolutionary. What specifically do you have quibble with?
Quote from: utilitarian on December 31, 2010, 03:32:40 AM
You have been knocking einstein for a long time now. Do you have anything peer reviewed that might actually prove him wrong?
Einstein actually explains what gravity is, which is pretty revolutionary. What specifically do you have quibble with?
Einstein explains nothing. Absolutely nothing. His is sheer stupidity turned into a propaganda balloon.
Of course, I have a number of publications proving the above categorically. Why, otherwise, do you think I'll be so categorical about what I'm saying?
Quote from: ltseung888 on December 30, 2010, 07:56:13 PM
The bonus may be the HHO device with much higher output power from Bob.
I knew it.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 30, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
So, then, why don't you send a device to Stefan for verification (if he agrees to do that)?
Stefan has not responded to me since I have returned. Why would anyone want to send something to someone that does not respond?
This forum has gone to the dogs since I left. No wonder the other more serious researchers and experimenters have left here as well. I must admit that this forum is no longer worth returning to, or attempting to post anything constructive on. All that seems to go on here anymore is flaming and insults. Who needs it?
Bob Boyce
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 03:39:23 AM
Einstein explains nothing. Absolutely nothing. His is sheer stupidity turned into a propaganda balloon.
Of course, I have a number of publications proving the above categorically. Why, otherwise, do you think I'll be so categorical about what I'm saying?
Yes, and I can say I have self-published publications proving categorically that Einstein is correct. Until you are peer reviewed, this means nothing.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 31, 2010, 05:02:51 AM
I must admit that this forum is no longer worth returning to, or attempting to post anything constructive on.
Bob Boyce
This is what happens when trouble makers are not kicked out.
XS,
The following is the formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
- 99.9 % of all substances have a μr ~ 1, Ferros have a μr ~ 500 to 1 Million)
A Ferro Core Multiplies the Magnetic Field of the Coil by many, many, many, many times.
Perhaps you would be inclined to believe the
National High Magnetic Field Lab at Florida State.Here...http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page4.html
you will find the following statement.
QuoteWe can improve the magnetic field power of this solenoid even more by inserting an iron alloy core in the middle.
Remember our iron atoms of earlier, and how each was a tiny little magnet?
Well, when you put the iron alloy core into a magnetic field,
all the atoms in the iron align with it and
in so doing, boost the magnet's field strength significantly <--------
yet without using more electricity!
It is important to realize that
Randomly Oriented Atomic Sized Magnetic Dipoles
turn to ALIGN with the Coil
and ADD to the Coil's Field.
total Mag Field = Coil's Field + Core's Field These facts taught in physics books are well documented.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: Paul-R on December 31, 2010, 06:46:13 AM
This is what happens when trouble makers are not kicked out.
This thread is full of 'knowledgeable' people like yourself? Are you Paul_Retarded?
cheers
chrisC
@Chris
happy new year buddy
@Bob....I have to concure, this thread has been running for years but your testing and results of what Lawrence sent you would be appreciated as I know you have the equipment and expertise and honesty.
@everyone
Have a great new year
PS chris drop me an email I have something interesting.
Mark
Quote from: The Observer on December 31, 2010, 11:10:20 AM
XS,
The following is the formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
- 99.9 % of all substances have a μr ~ 1, Ferros have a μr ~ 500 to 1 Million)
A Ferro Core Multiplies the Magnetic Field of the Coil by many, many, many, many times.
Perhaps you would be inclined to believe the National High Magnetic Field Lab at Florida State.
Here...http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page4.html
you will find the following statement.
It is important to realize that
Randomly Oriented Atomic Sized Magnetic Dipoles
turn to ALIGN with the Coil
and ADD to the Coil's Field.
total Mag Field = Coil's Field + Core's Field
These facts taught in physics books are well documented.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Like i said...You know nothing about it.
Quote from: Bob Boyce on December 31, 2010, 05:02:51 AM
Stefan has not responded to me since I have returned. Why would anyone want to send something to someone that does not respond?
This forum has gone to the dogs since I left. No wonder the other more serious researchers and experimenters have left here as well. I must admit that this forum is no longer worth returning to, or attempting to post anything constructive on. All that seems to go on here anymore is flaming and insults. Who needs it?
Bob Boyce
So you ARE not going to test it further because of a loose wire.
The actual circuit is posted a few pages back so you can verify the wires.
But no, something else is going on here.
You have become a Clown.
Happy newyear!!
Clowns
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Happy new year @all
cat
Brief History of FLEET testing
July 13, 2010 reply 434 â€" COP > 1 successfully demonstrated
July 13, 2010 reply 438 â€" COP > 1 Oscilloscope readings
July 16, 2010 reply 465 â€" Method of measurement confirmed
July 17, 2010 reply 467 - The 2 oscilloscope testing circuit
July 22, 2010 reply 505 â€" LCR tuning with signal generator (must see video)
July 27, 2010 reply 522 â€" Meeting with Angel Investor after demo on July 19.
Aug 1, 2010 reply 538 â€" Battery self-charger with manual monitoring
Aug 7, 2010 reply 554 â€" Presentation at Hong Kong University
Aug 21, 2010 reply 638 â€" The one-second flashing circuit
Aug 27, 2010 reply 659 â€" Angel investor decided to invest in Dr. Wong team
Aug 29, 2010 reply 669 â€" Breaking the traditional transformer design rules
Aug 31, 2010 reply 687 â€" The Bird’s Eye View
Sept 1, 2010, reply 690 â€" The non-blinking (38Hertz) prototype
Sept 8, 2010, reply 771 â€" The controlled feedback
Sept 9, 2010, reply 786 â€" Lighting over 100 LEDs with CEX-50
Sept 13, 2010, reply 798 â€" LED still on for 30 seconds after switched off!
Sept 15, 2010, reply 805 â€" The US$3 prototype and trip to USA in Oct. 2010
Sept 16, 2010, reply 809 â€" The key ring battery lighting 108 LEDs
Sept 16, 2010, reply 813 â€" Varying the capacitor the stupid way
Sept 25, 2010, reply 851 â€" Building prototypes for USA
Oct 9, 2010, reply 967 â€" The Best Prototype produced at HKU by student Felix
Oct 11, 2010, reply 976 â€" Letting go the technology
Oct 24, 2010, reply 1053 â€" Message from Lee Cheung Kin
Nov 4, 2010, reply 1120 â€" Using mini-scope in USA
Nov 5, 2010, reply 1148 â€" Home-made variable inductor
Nov 6, 2010, reply 1156 â€" I believe…
Nov 13, 2010, reply 1173 â€" Joule Thief on Radioshack breadboard
Nov 14, 2010, reply 1176 â€" First FLEET prototype built in USA
Dec 10, 2010, reply 1420 â€" Information from Wang Shen He
Dec 16, 2010, reply 1461 â€" The 6 Conclusive Experiments
Dec 16, 2010, reply 1464 â€" The Kinetic Theory of Gases Model on Ordered Energy
Dec 18, 2010, reply 1491 â€" The Historic Check from Major Todd Hathaway
Dec 22, 2010, reply 1551 â€" The Best Prototype in USA
Dec 30, 2010, reply 1684 â€" Prototype A received by PhysicsProfessor
Dec 30, 2010, reply 1686 â€" Prototype C received by Bob Boyce
So now you have send out two prototypes.
One to Bob who cannot test it because of a loose wire, and one to the nutty professor who does not know how to test it so he took it to some other forum full of n00bs hoping they can help.
What's your next plan?
"he took it to some other forum"
Please give link to that forum.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 01, 2011, 06:00:39 PM
"he took it to some other forum"
Please give link to that forum.
Ask Lawrence... He's your brother, no?
This is an open message to the China Side
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Translated:
Dear Fellow Chinese Compatriots,
Wishing you the best in the New Year and hope that you will achieve the noble goals you set. I am cooperating with the USA side to verify the FLEET prototypes and confirm the Lead-out Energy Theory. I shall use this and other forums to explain the technology and benefit the Human Race.
***
The persons from the China side who will be monitoring these Conclusive Experiments will include:
Wang Shen He â€" hopefully, his generator will be mass produced.
Lee Cheung Kin â€" He would like to justify his nickname â€" the number one genius in this World.
Dr. Raymond Ting â€" He verifies new inventions on behalf of China.
Tong Po Chi â€" He built the Tong Wheel that first demonstrated COP > 1 in Inno Tech Design Expo 2009
Dr. James Wong â€" He is the Chairman of Institute of Energy and received funding.
Prof. Dennis Leung â€" Verifying technology at Hong Kong University
Aaron Quant â€" He built the Christmas Tree Prorotype shown at Inno Tech Design Expo 2010
Forever Yuen and her student friends.
The many teams already working on FLEET prototypes.
The Energy Officials at various levels.
***
Dear Lawrence,
My colleague and I spent about five hours studying Prototype A on Saturday 1/1/11. We had previously spent some time studying it after we received it from you. (Thank you!) Certainly if one calculates the COP using either PP or RMS values, one derives COP > 1, as you said.
But the large discrepancy between the PP and RMS values gives rise to concern, as to whether either approach is truly a valid measure of the COP. The fact that the output signal is far from sinusoidal also gives us reason to question the use of V*I (from PP and RMS values) to determine power.
So we replaced your two resistors on the output with one resistor and then performed tests based the heat generated in this output-circuit resistor. We had one thermocouple + meter system available and so we did a balance a piece at a time. We found that we could match the heating of the output resistor from the DUT with 0.04 Watts of power over the same resistor from our battery+variable resistor (which substituted for our power supply). The thermocouple was taped to the resistor for these tests. It took some time for us to home in on the matching input power... but we feel the calibration of the resistor is believable. However, this method is still very approximate as it does not account for heat generated in the diode/LED. It is a first-order check on the method of measuring COP from PP and rms values as you have described.
It is interesting that this value for the output power, using the thermocouple-balance measurement, is BETWEEN the simple V*I calculations (PP and RMS) I derived from Prototype A, which gives about 0.39W (using PP values) and 0.027W (using RMS values for input and output).
So a firm conclusion is that we need something better than just simple oscilloscope values and V*I... as we all apparently suspected. You also noted that it would be important to integrate the oscilloscope traces (input and output) to get a more reliable value for the COP -- that is yet another method. Have you done this yet?
So I feel that our studies here are just beginning on Prototype A (and variations), but our studies are certainly encouraging.
Best wishes,
PhysicsProfessor
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 03, 2011, 09:08:41 AM
Dear Lawrence,
My colleague and I spent about five hours studying Prototype A on Saturday 1/1/11. We had previously spent some time studying it after we received it from you. (Thank you!) Certainly if one calculates the COP using either PP or RMS values, one derives COP > 1, as you said.
But the large discrepancy between the PP and RMS values gives rise to concern, as to whether either approach is truly a valid measure of the COP. The fact that the output signal is far from sinusoidal also gives us reason to question the use of V*I (from PP and RMS values) to determine power.
So we replaced your two resistors on the output with one resistor and then performed tests based the heat generated in this output-circuit resistor. We had one thermocouple + meter system available and so we did a balance a piece at a time. We found that we could match the heating of the output resistor from the DUT with 0.04 Watts of power over the same resistor from our battery+variable resistor (which substituted for our power supply). The thermocouple was taped to the resistor for these tests. It took some time for us to home in on the matching input power... but we feel the calibration of the resistor is believable. However, this method is still very approximate as it does not account for heat generated in the diode/LED. It is a first-order check on the method of measuring COP from PP and rms values as you have described.
It is interesting that this value for the output power, using the thermocouple-balance measurement, is BETWEEN the simple V*I calculations (PP and RMS) I derived from Prototype A, which gives about 0.39W (using PP values) and 0.027W (using RMS values for input and output).
So a firm conclusion is that we need something better than just simple oscilloscope values and V*I... as we all apparently suspected. You also noted that it would be important to integrate the oscilloscope traces (input and output) to get a more reliable value for the COP -- that is yet another method. Have you done this yet?
So I feel that our studies here are just beginning on Prototype A (and variations), but our studies are certainly encouraging.
Best wishes,
PhysicsProfessor
How about measuring the momentary I and V values at, say, 1ns, then multiplying each momentary I by the corresponding Momentary V and then finding the average of these products. Thic you can do for the input I and V and compare it with the output I and V? You probably still have the traces in your DSO's. If so, that calculation won't take you long and you may report it here.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 03, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
How about measuring the momentary I and V values at, say, 1ns, then multiplying each momentary I by the corresponding Momentary V and then finding the average of these products. Thic you can do for the input I and V and compare it with the output I and V? You probably still have the traces in your DSO's. If so, that calculation won't take you long and you may report it here.
Hey retard (OmniBot, not Lawrence...)
How about measuring the thing with one of the more conventional electrotechnical methods, like "any method non involving the procedures you personally don't know shit about"?
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 03, 2011, 10:17:14 AM
Hey retard (OmniBot, not Lawrence...)
How about measuring the thing with one of the more conventional electrotechnical methods, like "any method non involving the procedures you personally don't know shit about"?
spam
spam
What a cook!
They cannot even measure if the thing put's out more then it consumes HAHAHAHA!!!
Way to go Lawrence!!
Clowns
PhysicsProf,
Thanks for the update, I (and I'm sure others) really appreciate it.
QuoteMy colleague and I spent about five hours studying Prototype A on Saturday 1/1/11.
We had previously spent some time studying it after we received it from you. (Thank you!)
Certainly if one calculates the COP using either PP or RMS values, one derives COP > 1, as you said.
But the large discrepancy between the PP and RMS values gives rise to concern, as to whether either approach is truly a valid measure of the COP.
The fact that the output signal is far from sinusoidal also gives us reason to question the use of V*I (from PP and RMS values) to determine power.
So we replaced your two resistors on the output with one resistor and then performed tests based the heat generated in this output-circuit resistor.
We had one thermocouple + meter system available and so we did a balance a piece at a time.
We found that we could match the heating of the output resistor from the DUT with 0.04 Watts of power over the same resistor from our battery+variable resistor
(which substituted for our power supply).
The thermocouple was taped to the resistor for these tests.
It took some time for us to home in on the matching input power... but we feel the calibration of the resistor is believable.
However, this method is still very approximate as it does not account for heat generated in the diode/LED.
It is a first-order check on the method of measuring COP from PP and rms values as you have described.
It is interesting that this value for the output power, using the thermocouple-balance measurement,
is BETWEEN the simple V*I calculations (PP and RMS) I derived from Prototype A,
which gives about 0.39W (using PP values) and 0.027W (using RMS values for input and output).
So a firm conclusion is that we need something better than just simple oscilloscope values and V*I... as we all apparently suspected.
You also noted that it would be important to integrate the oscilloscope traces (input and output) to get a more reliable value for the COP -- that is yet another method.
Have you done this yet?
--> So I feel that our studies here are just beginning on Prototype A (and variations), but our studies are certainly encouraging. <--
Best wishes,
PhysicsProfessor
GodSpeed,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on January 03, 2011, 11:16:43 AM
PhysicsProf,
Thanks for the update, I (and I'm sure others) really appreciate it.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
"PhysicsProfessor" is just one of the many of ltseung's spare identities. (>100)
What a character!
Looks like he's still good at finding innocent souls... ;D
Thanks to the Almighty
I am convinced that there are evil powers out there. They wanted to stop the development of Lead-out Energy to benefit the World.
I was nearly killed by a white car after my morning swim. In Irvine, the traffic rule is to yield to pedestrians. I was crossing a road and two cars already stopped. A white car suddenly stepped on the gas and rushed straight at me. It must be a miracle from God that my old bones still allowed me to jump back to avoid the hit. The car brushed my clothes and sped away. The two stopped car drivers were kind enough to check whether I was hurt. I was shocked and shaken but physically unharmed.
None of us could describe the car or the driver except that the car was white.
From now until the prototypes are verified, I shall be extremely careful.
With the protection from the Almighty, even “deliberate accident†was avoided. Amen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 03, 2011, 04:00:37 PM
Thanks to the Almighty
I am convinced that there are evil powers out there. They wanted to stop the development of Lead-out Energy to benefit the World.
I was nearly killed by a white car after my morning swim. In Irvine, the traffic rule is to yield to pedestrians. I was crossing a road and two cars already stopped. A white car suddenly stepped on the gas and rushed straight at me. It must be a miracle from God that my old bones still allowed me to jump back to avoid the hit. The car brushed my clothes and sped away. The two stopped car drivers were kind enough to check whether I was hurt. I was shocked and shaken but physically unharmed.
None of us could describe the car or the driver except that the car was white.
From now until the prototypes are verified, I shall be extremely careful.
With the protection from the Almighty, even “deliberate accident†was avoided. Amen.
Please focus on the examination of your device. At this point nobody has any reason whatsoever to kill you because of your non-existent invention. I assure you that making up stories as the one above cannot make up for failing to prove that your device is OU.
killed over a blinking LED HAHAHAHAHA
CLOWN
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 03, 2011, 04:00:37 PM
Thanks to the Almighty
...
I was nearly killed by a white car ... except that the car was white.
...
Are you sure the car was not black? MIB usually travel in black cars or that the driver could be a commie Chinese trying to stop you basking in your delusions?
cheers
chrisC
the driver was blinded by the bright light from all those prototypes he was carrying :D
Prototype D ready to Ship
Prototype D has COP (peak-to-peak) = 18.4.
Jeers and Insults cannot change that.
LT,
Glad you're doing well.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 03, 2011, 06:03:59 PM
Prototype D has COP (peak-to-peak) = 18.4.
Sure Clown and what happend to the COP>200 thingy?
Which n00b get's it this time?
Can jeers and insults teach you how to integrate instantaneous power values over a time period?
Lawrence, if I applied your method of calculating COP to my TinselKoil, what value do you think I would get?
Its measured "p-p input voltage" is 120 V. Its measured "p-p input current" is 7 Amps. Its measured "p-p output voltage" is in excess of 30,000 volts. Its measured "p-p output current" is over 20 amps; it burns steel wires, even burns the air it's so hot in its output arc. What's its COP, according to your method of reckoning?
Peak-to-peak values of voltage and current cannot be used in energy calculations. Instantaneous power curves must be integrated over a suitable time period, to give the ENERGY within that time. Only if the output ENERGY exceeds the input ENERGY over a suitable time period, may you make claims about excess energy production, and a Joule Thief as you have constructed has a pulsed output with a short duty cycle--- which you must learn to include in your calculations.
wow Tinsel don't waste your time on Lawrence!!
we all know he is a Clown and does not know anything about electronics!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 03, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
...
Peak-to-peak values of voltage and current cannot be used in energy calculations. Instantaneous power curves must be integrated over a suitable time period, to give the ENERGY within that time. Only if the output ENERGY exceeds the input ENERGY over a suitable time period, may you make claims about excess energy production, and a Joule Thief as you have constructed has a pulsed output with a short duty cycle--- which you must learn to include in your calculations.
If he knew, we wouldn't be over a hundred pages of delusions on this thread. We won't even need PhDs' to understand basic ac power measurements!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 03, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
Can jeers and insults teach you how to integrate instantaneous power values over a time period?
Lawrence, if I applied your method of calculating COP to my TinselKoil, what value do you think I would get?
Its measured "p-p input voltage" is 120 V. Its measured "p-p input current" is 7 Amps. Its measured "p-p output voltage" is in excess of 30,000 volts. Its measured "p-p output current" is over 20 amps; it burns steel wires, even burns the air it's so hot in its output arc. What's its COP, according to your method of reckoning?
Peak-to-peak values of voltage and current cannot be used in energy calculations. Instantaneous power curves must be integrated over a suitable time period, to give the ENERGY within that time. Only if the output ENERGY exceeds the input ENERGY over a suitable time period, may you make claims about excess energy production, and a Joule Thief as you have constructed has a pulsed output with a short duty cycle--- which you must learn to include in your calculations.
That's correct. Why didn't you do that correct measurement of power balance on your motor, though?
My motor? If you mean "alsetalokin's" OCMPMM, that is as much yours as it is mine, since it apparently was built for your benefit.
As to the measurements: no electrical input, only mechanical output. The measurements spoken of in this thread cannot be applied to that device.
@Lawrence
"I was nearly killed by a white car after my morning swim. In Irvine, the traffic rule is to yield to pedestrians."
First I am glad you are OK, if the main character to my daily comic strip was hurt or killed it would be sad. I am not sure anywhwere in the world where cars have to yield to pedestrians.
Just back on topic...why do you measure peak to peak are you listenning to anyone here?
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 03, 2011, 09:20:07 PM
@Lawrence
"I was nearly killed by a white car after my morning swim. In Irvine, the traffic rule is to yield to pedestrians."
First I am glad you are OK, if the main character to my daily comic strip was hurt or killed it would be sad. I am not sure anywhwere in the world where cars have to yield to pedestrians.
Just back on topic...why do you measure peak to peak are you listenning to anyone here?
Mark
I missed that Mark. Even in Irvine, I believe traffic rules in the U.S mandates pedestrians yield to traffic unless they are at a pedestrian crossing or at a crossing in their favor.
The good thing is Lawrence is alive and well and nothing else matters, comedy takes a back seat to safety! The saga continues .....
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 03, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
My motor? If you mean "alsetalokin's" OCMPMM, that is as much yours as it is mine, since it apparently was built for your benefit.
As to the measurements: no electrical input, only mechanical output. The measurements spoken of in this thread cannot be applied to that device.
No, I don't mean that and you know it very well. Don't finagle. I mean your failed effort to replicate Steorn motor. Orbette or whatever silly name you gave it. Where is your power balance of the motor you made so many videos of claiming it replicates Steorn claim?
Hey guys drop it!
This is about Lawrence and the Clown and their blinking LED's it's not about the Steorn Clowns nor about motor Clowns.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 03, 2011, 11:06:12 PM
Hey guys drop it!
This is about Lawrence and the Clown and their blinking LED's it's not about the Steorn Clowns nor about motor Clowns.
... or @ TinselKoala(@alsetalokin) clown, for that matter ...
Our FLEET and LCR resonance tuning experience
Mar 17, 2010, reply 122 - Observer’s flyback transformer resonance
Mar 29, 2010, reply 166 â€" Observer introduced the Joule Thief Circuit
Mar 31, 2010, reply 176 â€" Korean Patent: Circuit for Transmitting Amplified Resonant Power to Load.
Apr 02, 2010, reply 191 â€" What have we learned so far
Apr 04, 2010, reply 205 â€" First resonance hunt showing increased Vpp
May 11, 2010, reply 321 â€" Air coil successful
Jul 13, 2010, reply 434 â€" COP > 1 successfully demonstrated
In words, we first used air coils on the Joule Thief circuit with one or more secondary coils to achieve COP > 1. A variable resistor was used on the secondary and we kept replacing the capacitor until a high COP > 1 value was obtained.
The best technique we found was the use of two oscilloscopes side by side and compared the power waveforms as in reply 438.
I then decided to find the cheapest configuration to demonstrate COP > 1. The 1 inch toroid was successfully tested. As an accident, we found that even if we did not use a capacitor, we could achieve high COP results. (Apparently, if we use breadboards, changing the holes to plug in appeared to vary the capacitance.)
The best one inch toroid FLEET prototype on breadboard was achieved on Oct 9, 2010 by Felix at the Hong Kong University workshop. (The 7 inch air-coil toroid was better but more expensive.) The Output Power (peak-to-peak) exceeded 10 watts and the COP was greater than 280.
The best prototype in my possession in USA has COP > 200. It will be used as the “teacher’s demo†when we run the Workshops in Washington DC??? in the coming future.
The LCR resonance circuits can lead-out electron motion energy that is virtually inexhaustible. Thanks to the Almighty. Amen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 04, 2011, 12:17:05 AM
the COP was greater than 280.
The best prototype in my possession in USA has COP > 200.
CLOWN
Quote from: Omnibus on January 03, 2011, 10:36:37 PM
No, I don't mean that and you know it very well. Don't finagle. I mean your failed effort to replicate Steorn motor. Orbette or whatever silly name you gave it. Where is your power balance of the motor you made so many videos of claiming it replicates Steorn claim?
I didn't bring it up, but since I am being misrepresented and lied about I feel the need to respond.
What do you call this, if it's not a "power balance" test? Do you have the wit to interpret this data? It indicates, without any doubt, that Orbette uses LESS power when the coils are pushing the rotor than when the coils are just firing into the air with the rotor magnets distant. This is a clear indication that my Orbette is working in the same manner as Steorn's motor.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/63260e67b8110c443ba531d85def6d7c5g.jpg
Please note that it is Omnibus who started talking about my motors in this thread.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 04, 2011, 12:17:05 AM
Our FLEET and LCR resonance tuning experience
Mar 17, 2010, reply 122 - Observer’s flyback transformer resonance
Mar 29, 2010, reply 166 â€" Observer introduced the Joule Thief Circuit
Mar 31, 2010, reply 176 â€" Korean Patent: Circuit for Transmitting Amplified Resonant Power to Load.
Apr 02, 2010, reply 191 â€" What have we learned so far
Apr 04, 2010, reply 205 â€" First resonance hunt showing increased Vpp
May 11, 2010, reply 321 â€" Air coil successful
Jul 13, 2010, reply 434 â€" COP > 1 successfully demonstrated
In words, we first used air coils on the Joule Thief circuit with one or more secondary coils to achieve COP > 1. A variable resistor was used on the secondary and we kept replacing the capacitor until a high COP > 1 value was obtained.
The best technique we found was the use of two oscilloscopes side by side and compared the power waveforms as in reply 438.
I then decided to find the cheapest configuration to demonstrate COP > 1. The 1 inch toroid was successfully tested. As an accident, we found that even if we did not use a capacitor, we could achieve high COP results. (Apparently, if we use breadboards, changing the holes to plug in appeared to vary the capacitance.)
The best one inch toroid FLEET prototype on breadboard was achieved on Oct 9, 2010 by Felix at the Hong Kong University workshop. (The 7 inch air-coil toroid was better but more expensive.) The Output Power (peak-to-peak) exceeded 10 watts and the COP was greater than 280.
The best prototype in my possession in USA has COP > 200. It will be used as the “teacher’s demo†when we run the Workshops in Washington DC??? in the coming future.
The LCR resonance circuits can lead-out electron motion energy that is virtually inexhaustible. Thanks to the Almighty. Amen.
Why do you avoid answering me? Using your method of calculating COP, what is the COP of my TinselKoil? This is a very important question, because I might be able to save you a lot of trouble by teaching you a thing or two about resonance. Real resonance, I mean.
What's the COP of my TinselKoil, Lawrence? Input and output parameters, just like yours, are stated in an earlier post. Do the math and tell me what my COP is. Please.
obviously Mr.Clown does not know what he is talking about.
He just wants to fool people....but doesn't realize hes only fooling himself.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 04, 2011, 10:27:36 PM
I didn't bring it up, but since I am being misrepresented and lied about I feel the need to respond.
What do you call this, if it's not a "power balance" test? Do you have the wit to interpret this data? It indicates, without any doubt, that Orbette uses LESS power when the coils are pushing the rotor than when the coils are just firing into the air with the rotor magnets distant. This is a clear indication that my Orbette is working in the same manner as Steorn's motor.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/63260e67b8110c443ba531d85def6d7c5g.jpg
Please note that it is Omnibus who started talking about my motors in this thread.
Ii am asking once again, where is the power balance of your motor? What you are presenting is not a power balance. Please note, @TinselKoala(@alsetalokin) has not presented a power balance of his motor although he insists he has. Bringing up his motor is necessary because in this topic not only because this topic is about a power balance but it shows what someone who very much likes to put down other peoples' research looks like, who makes fun of the entire community by posting a fake video of a magnet motor but fails to do his own homework.
Tinsel,
i seriously doubt that youll get an answer from Tseung, reading through this thread its pretty clear he has either zero ( or close to zero ) knowledge of the importance of phasing / power factors / summing(integration) of signals over a given time-period.
Even if he does have knowledge of the importance above, i suspect that he "knows" that he cant venture into these fields regarding his circuits because it will bring down his "dream". I suspect what were witnessing here is a public display of cognative dissonance.
Quote from: markdansie on January 03, 2011, 09:20:07 PM
@Lawrence
"I was nearly killed by a white car after my morning swim. In Irvine, the traffic rule is to yield to pedestrians."
First I am glad you are OK, if the main character to my daily comic strip was hurt or killed it would be sad. I am not sure anywhwere in the world where cars have to yield to pedestrians.
Just back on topic...why do you measure peak to peak are you listenning to anyone here?
Mark
that's pretty much the rules of the road here in america, pedestrians have the right of way.
http://ezinearticles.com/?When-Does-a-Pedestrian-Have-the-Right-of-Way?&id=4409710
how about a little due diligence mark, instead of asinine implications..
Funny, I was fined for jay walking once in LA when walking down to Westwood from UCLA, for just stepping a bit outside of the dedicated pedestirian crosswalk. That was durng the times of the Rodney King saga, so that may have contributed to that police perfectionism. You as a pedestrian may have the right of way when crossing anywhere but don't get in the way of the police.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 05, 2011, 01:12:49 AM
that's pretty much the rules of the road here in america, pedestrians have the right of way.
....
You always have the right of way where you're living, Wilby (i.e between railway tracks).
Hobos always do.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 01:26:07 AM
Funny, I was fined for jay walking once in LA when walking down to Westwood from UCLA, for just stepping a bit outside of the dedicated pedestirian crosswalk. That was durng the times of the Rodney King saga, so that may have contributed to that police perfectionism. You as a pedestrian may have the right of way when crossing anywhere but don't get in the way of the police.
did you take it to court? if you didn't, then don't whine about it...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 05, 2011, 01:31:25 AM
did you take it to court? if you didn't, then don't whine about it...
I know. I had to come back in two months form Mass to fight it. So, forget it.
@Tinselkoala
All I can say is bring on the penguin. Perhaps a 1 minute video for Lawrence.
The reason Lawrence does not respond is he is in ignorant bliss, a key factor in being delusional. He just hands phrophacy's from the mountain and feels he is on a direct mission from his pretend friend. (will suck if he finds a budda up there)
mean time...do what many of us do..treat this as light entertainment. Just remeber if someone makes you angry they control you..laugh at them and they are forever their own fool.
I just hope that Forever comes to the US and then I can show her the right way to wind a JT circuit that will really do something.
Lawrence:
You should have obtained the license plate of that car as pedestrians always have the right of way here in the US....always. Yes, you can get a ticket for J-walking, really a chickenshit thing for a cop to do, but, if a car hits a pedestrian, they are always wrong. Just the other day I almost hit some old lady...I darn near had to pull off of the sidewalk to miss her.
Bill
@ Bill
I like your humor, and good to see you getting into the spirit of things for this thread.
I always look up this to see the latest comical instalment from Lawrence...although lately the mudslinging has been entertaining.
Hope your eath cells are going well
mark
@Pirate11879
I still fail to see how the JT is related to OU. Yes, it does something, lights a bulb and in @lasersaber's case for quite a while but where's the OU? No one is doing any measurements let alone providing energy balance. Why this interest in JT?
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 09:20:18 AM
@Pirate11879
I still fail to see how the JT is related to OU. Yes, it does something, lights a bulb and in @lasersaber's case for quite a while but where's the OU? No one is doing any measurements let alone providing energy balance. Why this interest in JT?
Omni:
I have never been on the record ever saying that the JT was OU. Now as a component of a possible OU system? Maybe. Time will tell.
Bill
hey we are not talking pedestrians here!!
we are talking about Clowns crossing the street!!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
Omni:
I have never been on the record ever saying that the JT was OU. Now as a component of a possible OU system? Maybe. Time will tell.
Bill
Well, what makes you think JT can be a component of a possible OU system? Is there any particular reason or it's just a hunch? I have seen none so far.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 10:40:54 AM
Well, what makes you think JT can be a component of a possible OU system? Is there any particular reason or it's just a hunch? I have seen none so far.
By the sounds of his post, It's a hunch. I would of thought that his comment, "Maybe. Time will tell", would of answered your irrelevant question.
JT was designed to pull the last bit of energy out of an empty battery.
That's all there is to it, period.
Everybody who thinks the JT is some kind of mysterious OU device is a CLOWN.
Prototype D shipped out
One potential verifier tried to produce a FLEET prototype on his own. He did not have the yellow one inch toroid. He used a green larger toroid instead.
His question was â€" he used 40 turns Joule Thief winding and 80 turns transformer winding. The LED on the Joule Thief and the LED on the secondary circuit both lighted up. However, the COP peak-to-peak value as obtained from his oscilloscopes was less than 1. What has he done wrong? What is the magic to achieve high COP?
The answer is â€" we are doing resonance hunting here. You can push a swing at any frequency and it is likely to go higher. But there is only one frequency of push that will make the swing go much higher than the rest. That is known as the resonance frequency of the swing.
The reason that both LEDs are lighted is similar. Even at non-resonance frequency, some energy will be imparted to the system via the pulsing. Some of the energy will be wasted if the pushing is applied while the swing is moving towards the pushing force. It will damp the motion instead of reinforcing it.
Now to the interesting part â€" What is the magic to achieve high COP?
1. After Observer posted the Joule Thief work on the overunity forum, I experimented with the basic Joule Thief. After three attempts, my Joule Thief lighted the LED.
2. I then experimented with the 7 inch air-core toroids as they are similar in external appearance to the Steven Mark TPU. The standard Joule Thief Circuit did not show COP > 1.
3. I got the inspiration that â€" may be the Joule Thief is already a resonating system. The transistor will try to maintain a resonance frequency with its electronic components. If that were so, I might be able to draw some energy from it and allow it to go back to the resonance condition (similar to the Tong Wheel).
4. I then put in transformer type windings as an additional secondary circuit. It worked. MK1 later posted that he did something similar earlier but he never used the two oscilloscope display to claim conclusively COP > 1.
5. I then worked with Dr. Raymond Ting, an invention verifier for Beijing. In the secondary circuit, we had a LED, a variable resistor and a changing capacitor. Since we could not get a variable capacitor that can cover a large range, we keep swapping capacitors while watching the Instantaneous Power Waveforms on the two oscilloscopes.
6. Dr. Raymond Ting was able to get a configuration with COP peak-to-peak greater than 100 and Instantaneous Output Power greater than 40 watts peak-to-peak. That particular configuration was shown on July 19, 2010 to some professors and the Lawyer of the Investor, Mr. Conroy Cheng. Mr. Cheng is the heir to the third richest family in Hong Kong.
7. Mr. Cheng was the person who gave HK$50,000 for the two oscilloscope demonstration with no strings attached. At that time, he and his advisors thought that demonstrating COP > 1 within two weeks by Lawrence Tseung and his student helpers was impossible.
8. When the demonstration was successful, commercial interest took over. The funding went to Dr. James Wong, the chairman of Institute of Energy and a long term friend of the father of Mr. Cheng instead.
9. Mr. Tseung then decided to find the cheapest FLEET prototype that could demonstrate COP > 1. With God’s Blessing, he found that the one inch yellow toroid with 13 turns Joule Thief winding and 25 Transformer winding worked.
10. Mr. Tseung and his helpers then played with that basic yellow toroid and varied the number of turns and the value of electronic components used. To their delight, they could eliminate the capacitor and still achieve a high COP value.
11. The present thought or belief is â€" the cheap one-inch toroid with 13 JT windings may be close to a resonance condition (could be a harmonic). Slight changes may send the COP to higher than 280 (peak-to-peak). Over thirty such prototypes with COP > 1 has been produced in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. One was produced in USA.
12. There was a suggestion that we should mass produce such Fleet prototypes and send them to Universities all over the World. At present, every prototype was hand-built. It is like asking the student to make their own tuning forks to demonstrate the sound resonance experiment.
13. Unfortunately, the Hong Kong investor(s) through his lawyer said: “Why should I invest if the result is given to the World free? How can I make money?†Now, Major Todd Hathaway has put in US$600. That is sufficient for at least 100 prototypes if I order the parts from China.
14. To conclude, the magic lies in finding a working configuration (by luck or many days of trying) and then experiment around it. Mr. Aaron Quant bought 50 such yellow toroids and he was able to light a 108 LED Christmas Tree. You can do the same.
15. I shall send out many more prototypes to qualified verifiers worldwide before the evil powers get me!
God is producing miracles again. FLEET prototypes may be available worldwide with the US-China Cooperation. Amen.
So, the hunch that JT may be an OU device is based on the observation that it can revive dead batteries. The logic goes -- since the battery is dead there's nothing in it and the JT turns it into a producer of something and, therefore, will see, time will tell, it may be OU, is that it? How irrelevant is that question?
I see people getting very excited by what @lasersaber is showing but that's again lighting lamps for a cetrain time off of charged capacitors. That may be iteresting and practical but where's the OU to be worth discussin in an OU forum?
@Lawrence
the investor (with the $50,000) is very wise. He said you would not prove a COP of greater than 1 in under 2 weeks. he was right given you cant use peak to peak voltage.
he also made a good point...what is in it for me if you are giving the info for free to the world. Its his money so he made a good point.
many on this forum has asked why you do not understand that reading peak to peak is not the correct way. having been advised by many about this and continuing to ignore it is now heading into new territory of fraudulent behaviour. Its ok if people donate money like you received to continue your work but if you use data ever to try and convince people to part with large sums of money using a technique for measuring that has been pointed out to you as false then you could be breaking a few laws (check out wire fraud)
So I suggest you tread carefully when seeking money.
In the mean time keep up the posts...i do need my daily dose of laughter.
Mark
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 05:18:28 PM
So, the hunch that JT may be an OU device is based on the observation that it can revive dead batteries. The logic goes -- since the battery is dead there's nothing in it and the JT turns it into a producer of something and, therefore, will see, time will tell, it may be OU, is that it? How irrelevant is that question?
I see people getting very excited by what @lasersaber is showing but that's again lighting lamps for a cetrain time off of charged capacitors. That may be iteresting and practical but where's the OU to be worth discussin in an OU forum?
NO !
How stupid
The energy in the battery is too low to blink a LED directly.
The JT is a blocking oscillator and it discharges it's flyback through the LED.
The voltage simply goes up and when it is above the nominal voltage of the LED it will blink.
THat's all there is to it and everybody who thinks a JT has a COP>1 is a Clown and everybody who thinks a JT is OU is a Clown too.
Omnifus
Pay attention it is on the homepage,or don't you understand the meaning of research
Welcome to OverUnity.com
The International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum
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Quote from: XS-NRG on January 05, 2011, 05:31:43 PM
NO !
How stupid
The energy in the battery is too low to blink a LED directly.
The JT is a blocking oscillator and it discharges it's flyback through the LED.
The voltage simply goes up and when it is above the nominal voltage of the LED it will blink.
THat's all there is to it and everybody who thinks a JT has a COP>1 is a Clown and everybody who thinks a JT is OU is a Clown too.
I understand that but I'm trying to get into the mindset of those interested in this device as an OU device. Why should it deserve research specifically expecting it might be an OU device and no one even tries to carry out the proper measurements to research that? It has been said many times that lighting lamps, LED's etc. is not the way to prove OU. It may be a way to look for investors as Kapanadze or Valeri Ivanov does but isn't a way to prove OU. Maybe these Kapanadze's think it's more flamboyant that way than by equally incorrect way Lawrence approaches raising money. There's a lot of this going on and one can hardly call that scientific research.
Pherhaps now you understand why i go to such deep levels carrying out that Lawrence Tseung is a CLOWN!
That man should be treated for mental illness.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 05, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
Pherhaps now you understand why i go to such deep levels carrying out that Lawrence Tseung is a CLOWN!
That man should be treated for mental illness.
I think it's carrying it too far. Swindlers can be otherwise perfectly mentally fit (for their own good). It's more likely what @markdansie says. And it will be good if not only Lawrence but everybody else trying to extract investors' money reads what he says. There should be a better general understanding already as to what constitutes research and fits the profile of this forum and what is subtle and not so subtle manipulation of investor interest using phony claims and unsustained suggestions.
@ omnibus,
you have a much better way with words.
@lawrence
I have contacted the league of Jedi knights who will use their over unity light sabre's to protect you. Sleep well knowing the dark forces will be repelled by the Jedi Knights.
@Everyone...someone lock me up I am starting to question my sanity. been reading this thread for too long.
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 05, 2011, 06:41:25 PM
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@lawrence
I have contacted the league of Jedi knights who will use their over unity light sabre's to protect you. Sleep well knowing the dark forces will be repelled by the Jedi Knights.
@Everyone...someone lock me up I am starting to question my sanity. been reading this thread for too long.
Mark
LOL. There's a very simple explanation. Some people actually see things very differently, irrespective of the truth.
Well, when we see a animal that has black and white spots, has four legs and barks. We call it a dalmatian. But Lawrence sees it as a panda or if you challenge him further, he'll say it's also a zebra!
Let's see what the Stanford professor has to say. Maybe he's too embarrassed to finally figure out transient non-sinusoidal power measurements is not a indication of COP >1.
cheers
chrisC
@Chris
perhaps the Stanford Professor might give him a lesson on measuring power in and out (not Peak to Peak). Lawrence is typical of many inventors and even in some cases scientists who only see what they want to see. They look at this data selectively. I had this discussion with a few PH.d holders at a leading research institution in the USA. They said it happens all the time. That's why they seek peer review (privately at first) before going public.
Sometimes people just measure things wrong.
In, if I my use the term, the OU community many will believe anything as they just want to believe, others are open minded and sceptical and then their are the clowns.
To me the ultimate test of any system is closed loop...but that does not mean its overunity. I am about to embark on a project of close looping systems...all independently proved, but being married as one. Will it stand alone and produce power?...yes.....is it overunity....no.
Long conversation, happy to share latter on the forum but for now just those who write to me privately I am happy to discuss with. Look forward to people like your self and omnibus shooting me down in flames(strong possability)
Skype me someday Chris (mark Dansie) nsw australia
Back to Lawrence.....i have some water front land in QLD Australia if you know any investors...be quick as the water wont last for ever (well until the next flood)
mark
The correct way to measure Input and Output Energy via the 2 oscilloscope experiments
For those people who insisted that the peak-to-peak value cannot be trusted, here is a repeat of the test procedure.
1. You are perfectly correct in saying that the use of peak-to-peak or rms values to derive the Output Energy verse Input Energy is NOT accurate.
2. The correct way is to get the product of the Instantaneous Input Voltage and the Instantaneous Input Current using the first Oscilloscope. The Instantaneous Input Voltage waveform can be obtained by placing the Channel 1 probe across the battery or the DC power source. The instantaneous Output Current waveform can be obtained by placing the Channel 2 probe across a 1 ohm resistor in the circuit.
3. Many good oscilloscopes have a common ground for Channel 1 and Channel 2. This ensures that the product of Channel 1 and Channel truly represents the Instantaneous Input Power. Thus the exact points of connection are important.
4. The integration of the Instantaneous Input Power over time gives the Input Energy over that particular time interval. Some good oscilloscopes provide that result directly. Some others allow the screen shots or the continuous waveform display to be captured onto a computer or data logger for detailed analysis later.
5. We can do the same for the Output Energy for the same period with a different oscilloscope. We cannot adjust for the exact time but as the Instantaneous Power Curves are repeatable waveforms, we can get an exact time interval (or a complete period.)
6. This is the correct and most accurate comparison as recommended by the top academic institutions. This test is being done by the academics with access to the best oscilloscopes in the World.
In Hong Kong, I purchased the cheap China-made Oscilloscopes at US$350 each. It did not have functionality 4 (or we have not figured out a way yet). In USA, I have a simple scope (UNI-T UT81B) that can display the waveform and thus the peak-to-peak voltage value. But it has no capability to send the screen shot or continuous waveform for analysis.
Thus because of lack of funding for the good oscilloscopes, I settle for quoting the peak-to-peak values. They may not be accurate but as a first order of comparison, they will show the trend. The waveform comparison of COP > 200 is so obvious that we can safely use the two cheap China-made oscilloscopes to do the tuning.
The PhysicsProfessor is taking time because he wanted to use the best oscilloscopes at the University and do other additional Power confirmation experiments. He also hoped to produce the high COP FLEET prototypes at his own university.
When the authoritative results with the academic reports and papers come out, the above method will clear all doubts. The results will be absolutely conclusive before I show them to Dr. Steven Chu, the US Secretary of Energy.
Meanwhile, I shall still quote the peak-to-peak values because of lack or equipment. So please keep insulting me as the fool, idiot or the clown. You will have a few more weeks to enjoy your insulting.
With God’s Blessing, the Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory will be confirmed. Humans can enjoy virtually inexhaustible energy from the environment. Amen.
No, you don't need to quote peak to peak voltages any further. It is absolutely not true that peak to pak voltages can give an idea for the power balance. At any "order of comparison". Just drop it. As for the integrating of the instantaneous power input and output power values over time you don't need two oscilloscopes but only one four-channel scope with proper bandwidth and accuracy. That isn't enough, however. For correct measurements you need proper probes and they are not cheap. They cost more than the scope itself. So, until you obtain data at this level of sophistication of your measurements you need not overwhelm the forum with posting and claims you cannot sustain.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 05, 2011, 08:44:46 PM
The correct way to measure Input and Output Energy via the 2 oscilloscope experiments
...
The PhysicsProfessor is taking time because he wanted to use the best oscilloscopes at the University and do other additional Power confirmation experiments. He also hoped to produce the high COP FLEET prototypes at his own university.
When the authoritative results with the academic reports and papers come out, the above method will clear all doubts. ...
So you're speaking for the Professor? Well, whatever the professor says, hopefully he will substantiate, after all, he IS a professor at no small institution and you're just selling snake oil. If I'm the professor, I'm not sure I want to be associated with delusional theories, lest my esteemed institution might have second thoughts about my mental ability!
As for Dr. Stephen Chu, I know he's not part of any circus chain.
cheers
chrisC
Ironic or Irrelevant? ;)
Take these:
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 09:20:18 AM
I still fail to see how the JT is related to OU. Yes, it does something, lights a bulb and in
@lasersaber's case for quite a while but where's the OU? No one is doing any measurements let
alone providing energy balance. Why this interest in JT?
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 10:40:54 AM
Well, what makes you think JT can be a component of a possible OU system? Is there any
particular reason or it's just a hunch? I have seen none so far.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 05:18:28 PM
So, the hunch that JT may be an OU device is based on the observation that it can revive dead
batteries. The logic goes -- since the battery is dead there's nothing in it and the JT turns it
into a producer of something and, therefore, will see, time will tell, it may be OU, is that it?
How irrelevant is that question?
I see people getting very excited by what @lasersaber is showing but that's again lighting lamps
for a certain time off of charged capacitors. That may be interesting and practical but where's
the OU to be worth discussin in an OU forum?
Run them through the 'S Mark II Magnetic Ironicizer' translator, and you get this:
;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ;)
I still fail to see how the
SMOT is related to OU. Yes, it does something, lifts a steel ball up
a small magnetic incline and drops it, but where's the OU? No one is doing any measurements
let alone providing energy balance. Why this interest in the
SMOT?
Well, what makes you think the
SMOT can be a component of a possible OU system? Is there
any particular reason or it's just a hunch? I have seen none so far.
So, the hunch that the
SMOT may be an OU device is based on the observation that it can lift
and drop a steel ball once. The logic goes -- since the ball is lifted once by magnets the
SMOT turns it into a producer of something and, therefore, will see, time will tell, it may be OU, is that it?
How irrelevant is that question?
I see people getting very excited by a steel ball being lifted up a small magnetic incline and dropped.
That may be interesting and practical but where's the OU to be worth discussin in an OU forum?
;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ;)
tak
Quote from: tak22 on January 05, 2011, 10:47:24 PM
Ironic or Irrelevant? ;)
Take these:
Run them through the 'S Mark II Magnetic Ironicizer' translator, and you get this:
;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ;)
I still fail to see how the SMOT is related to OU. Yes, it does something, lifts a steel ball up
a small magnetic incline and drops it, but where's the OU? No one is doing any measurements
let alone providing energy balance. Why this interest in the SMOT?
Well, what makes you think the SMOT can be a component of a possible OU system? Is there
any particular reason or it's just a hunch? I have seen none so far.
So, the hunch that the SMOT may be an OU device is based on the observation that it can lift
and drop a steel ball once. The logic goes -- since the ball is lifted once by magnets the SMOT
turns it into a producer of something and, therefore, will see, time will tell, it may be OU, is that it?
How irrelevant is that question?
I see people getting very excited by a steel ball being lifted up a small magnetic incline and dropped.
That may be interesting and practical but where's the OU to be worth discussin in an OU forum?
;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ;)
tak
What's the point all the above? To show everybody you have no clue? All right, you have no clue but you don't need to spam the forum to make it known.
By the way, while the SMOT and the magnetic propulsor are the only devices so far which have definitively been proven to be OU devices the Joule Thief and devices similar to it are not as far as the current evidence presented indicates. A possible OU circuit is the RC circuit I studied last summer which I will continue to explore. As I've shown, it is an OU circuit due to internal asymmetries inherent in the theory of electricity itself. So, one desn't even need to do experiments to find out the theoretical basis of such circuits being OU. Another proven OU system is electrolysis of water in an undivided cell. No other devices, other than the listed so far (except for the Steorn motor) have any inkling of being OU systems.
This thread, however, is about electrical devices and more specifically Lawrence's device. Unfortunately, it too hasn't been shown to be an OU device.
Nope have to disagree those are not OU...
who told you that
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 05, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
Nope have to disagree those are not OU...
who told you that
Who told you they are not OU?
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 11:28:56 PM
Who told you they are not OU?
Nobody,
My tests showed me that and more.
So who told you?
You can see for yourself if you want.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 05, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
Nobody,
My tests showed me that and more.
So who told you?
You can see for yourself if you want.
Show the tests that showed you these devices are not OU. You have none, right? Right.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
By the way, while the SMOT and the magnetic propulsor are the only devices so far which have definitively been proven to be OU devices the Joule Thief and devices similar to it are not as far as the current evidence presented indicates. A possible OU circuit is the RC circuit I studied last summer which I will continue to explore. As I've shown, it is an OU circuit due to internal asymmetries inherent in the theory of electricity itself. So, one desn't even need to do experiments to find out the theoretical basis of such circuits being OU. Another proven OU system is electrolysis of water in an undivided cell. No other devices, other than the listed so far (except for the Steorn motor) have any inkling of being OU systems.
This thread, however, is about electrical devices and more specifically Lawrence's device. Unfortunately, it too hasn't been shown to be an OU device.
Omnibus
I'm not familiar with the OU devices you are referring to, if they look promising that's great I wish you good luck. I would not be too specific on them here or next thing you'll see is Ol LT will slap his "Lead out or Bring in" energy theory on it and this whole thing goes round and round, please the man needs no more fuel for his delusions.
Pete
Quote from: vonwolf on January 05, 2011, 11:45:02 PM
Omnibus
I'm not familiar with the OU devices you are referring to, if they look promising that's great I wish you good luck. I would not be too specific on them here or next thing you'll see is Ol LT will slap his "Lead out or Bring in" energy theory on it and this whole thing goes round and round, please the man needs no more fuel for his delusions.
Pete
I agree with you this is not the thread to discuss legitimate OU claims. I, in fact, have opened a thread the other day to discuss one of the legitimate such calims: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10177.0 . Here's another viable OU system that I have already analyzed earlier which was mentioned recently: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10034.msg269592#msg269592 .
On the other hand, I should say, I stay open minded even with regards to claims such a that offered by Lawrence until legitimate data either way is presented. At this point we have what -- unsustained claims by Lawrence, based on flawed experiments on the one hand and, and on the other rebuttal of the flawed experiments by self-appointed ctitics without showing their conclusive expreriments based on correct procedures. Both parties are at fault here and based of my experience that there are instance of OU in electrical systems, the discussion in this thread does not seem to have a satisfactory conclusion yet either way.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 08:57:08 PM
No, you don't need to quote peak to peak voltages any further. It is absolutely not true that peak to pak voltages can give an idea for the power balance. At any "order of comparison". Just drop it. As for the integrating of the instantaneous power input and output power values over time you don't need two oscilloscopes but only one four-channel scope with proper bandwidth and accuracy. That isn't enough, however. For correct measurements you need proper probes and they are not cheap. They cost more than the scope itself. So, until you obtain data at this level of sophistication of your measurements you need not overwhelm the forum with posting and claims you cannot sustain.
You seem to be the only one realizing the expenses needed to do the experiments correctly. Now we have at least two top universities willing to take on the task of verification. They have the necessary equipment and expertise.
For my part, I use this forum as a diary and care very little on what the naysayers and insulters post. If you do not like what I post, ignore them or mock at them.
When I (or any one else) do not have the expensive equipment, we can still show the results to the best capability of our equipment. Some laughed at my bedroom laboratory in Hong Kong. But in the end, who cares?
God helps those who help themselves. The poor can still do experiments and display their results. Amen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 06, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
You seem to be the only one realizing the expenses needed to do the experiments correctly. Now we have at least two top universities willing to take on the task of verification. They have the necessary equipment and expertise.
For my part, I use this forum as a diary and care very little on what the naysayers and insulters post. If you do not like what I post, ignore them or mock at them.
When I (or any one else) do not have the expensive equipment, we can still show the results to the best capability of our equipment. Some laughed at my bedroom laboratory in Hong Kong. But in the end, who cares?
God helps those who help themselves. The poor can still do experiments and display their results. Amen.
You still don't get it do you Lawrence? Nobody has a problem with you posting your results and many, myself included really wished you actually had discovered true O.U! The angels in heaven will also rejoice if it was so.
That said, the problem people have in this thread with your experimentation is that you claimed your results proved O.U with absolute certainty!
To that we say BALONEY. Just because you said so does not mean it is true. Time and time again you have proven nothing - just shows your own ignorance of electronics and physics. You are learning more each time someone tries to correct you. Professors mean nothing if they themselves don't know enough. Two of the most admired engineers I personally have worked with are absolutely brilliant and they only have BSc degrees from my neighborhood San Jose state university. No PHD titles, no research programs - just very very good electronics engineers.
Your experimental results are NOT Gospel until they are proven. As of today, you are still deluded. But we do wish you well.
cheers
chrisC
The problem here, Lawrence, isn't with your experimental results. Using your apparatus and techniques your results are easy to obtain. Using better apparatus you will even be able to get better results. The problem is how you are doing your analysis of those results.
As I have tried to illustrate over and over again, if you apply your method of calculation to an optimized resonant system using EXACTLY the same principles of power magnification as your little Joule Thief that you are playing with here, you will obtain COP figures that put your measly COP=200 or 280 or whatever, to shame. This alone should cause you to question your procedures.
Greetings,
There is no such thing as an OU device.
I guess anything can 'look' like OU... if you don't understand where the energy is coming from.
The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 calls what we are looking for Novel Sources of Energy.
I prefer the term USE (Unrecognized Source of Energy)
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I claim to have noticed two possible USE phenomenon.
1. Magnetic Permeability... the phenom that a ferro material is made up of many magnetic dipoles (powered by free electron spin.)
We utilize this energy every day.. yet do not recognize it as such.
ie. A speaker with exchangeable magnets is going to produce a louder sound with a more powerful magnet.
2. Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
ie. Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one by means of feedback and the following.
The extra energy comes from the Molecular Motion in the forks, that was random (before Resonance) which becomes ordered.
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GodSpeed,
The Observer
Price of the right equipment Quote from: TinselKoala on January 06, 2011, 08:25:45 AM
The problem here, Lawrence, isn't with your experimental results. Using your apparatus and techniques your results are easy to obtain. Using better apparatus you will even be able to get better results. The problem is how you are doing your analysis of those results.
As I have tried to illustrate over and over again, if you apply your method of calculation to an optimized resonant system using EXACTLY the same principles of power magnification as your little Joule Thief that you are playing with here, you will obtain COP figures that put your measly COP=200 or 280 or whatever, to shame. This alone should cause you to question your procedures.
Dear TinselKoala,
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Additional requirement for those who want to be a verifier of FLEET
Please quote the model of the oscilloscope(s) you intend to use in the verification.
Thanks to TinselKoala, Omnibus and others, I can greatly reduce the Prototypes to be shipped out.
God works in mysterious ways. Insults can be constructive too.
Thanks to TinselKoala, Omnibus and others, I can greatly reduce the Prototypes to be shipped out
Good to see your helping out Lawrence
Mark
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 05, 2011, 05:31:43 PM
NO !
How stupid
The energy in the battery is too low to blink a LED directly.
The JT is a blocking oscillator and it discharges it's flyback through the LED.
The voltage simply goes up and when it is above the nominal voltage of the LED it will blink.
THat's all there is to it and everybody who thinks a JT has a COP>1 is a Clown and everybody who thinks a JT is OU is a Clown too.
The Joule Thief is a kind of Fly Back Trafo, like your PC power supply...
Generally you have not OU in this kind of thing...
This is clearly different of the Rotoverter/Transverter concept who they use LCR resonance with sine wave, resonate the windings motor or a side of a transformer and extract the power without reflecting to the source, by playing resonance, Power Factor, High impedance... etc.
I'am very sceptic about a simple JT could be OU, this is two different thing !!!
And the trap, this is not an obligation to have OU each time, with the resonance stuff, resonance do not garanty OU...
Quote from: Omnibus on January 05, 2011, 11:34:00 PM
Show the tests that showed you these devices are not OU. You have none, right? Right.
Give me one good reason Clown.
You have none, right? Right.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 06, 2011, 12:01:09 PM
Give me one good reason Clown.
You have none, right? Right.
I have, as I've already shown. You don't, clown.
QuoteThis is clearly different of the Rotoverter/Transverter concept who they use LCR resonance with sine wave, resonate the windings motor or a side of a transformer and extract the power without reflecting to the source, by playing resonance, Power Factor, High impedance... etc.
How does this happen?
Quote from: Omnibus on January 06, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
I have, as I've already shown. You don't, clown.
i guess you didn't see it then.
So now you are claiming that these things ARE OU and that fact makes you a Clown just like Lawrence.
He is too claiming OU and spreading BS among our fellow researchers.
There is a very simple reason why Lawrence can't make his device self run, because he can't - he is wasting his time and everyone elses time.
Mr Lawrence wants money (like so many others) and he is deploying a very good strategy to get it. Just like "Terrorism", the war is endless, because the enemy is fictional. Like wise for Mr Lawrence, the "enemy" in his case is OU, he will lead on his investors and bleed them dry... only to show excuses in the wake.
Wake up people, Lawrence is a scammer, plain and simple.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 06, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
i guess you didn't see it then.
So now you are claiming that these things ARE OU and that fact makes you a Clown just like Lawrence.
He is too claiming OU and spreading BS among our fellow researchers.
I didn't see it, you're right, clown. Where have you shown any argument at all, clown?
Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on January 06, 2011, 11:21:25 AM
The Joule Thief is a kind of Fly Back Trafo, like your PC power supply...
Generally you have not OU in this kind of thing...
This is clearly different of the Rotoverter/Transverter concept who they use LCR resonance with sine wave, resonate the windings motor or a side of a transformer and extract the power without reflecting to the source, by playing resonance, Power Factor, High impedance... etc.
I'am very sceptic about a simple JT could be OU, this is two different thing !!!
And the trap, this is not an obligation to have OU each time, with the resonance stuff, resonance do not garanty OU...
Is the Joule Thief an OU device? From our experiments, we could not detect COP greater than one (peak-to-peak) results on the basic Joule Thief if we put a load on the LED side.
However, if we put a load (LED + 100 Ohm +10 Ohm) on the secondary transformer winding side, we
sometimes get COP > 1 effects.
The cheapest configuration is the one-inch yellow toroid with 13 JT windings and 20 transformer windings approximately. We need to tune it with variable resistors, change the holes in the breadboard, change the actual number of transformer windings and the length of the various wires etc.
The result so far suggests that:
The Joule Thief Circuit in general is NOT an overunity circuit. The enhanced Joule Thief with transformer winding on the secondary will sometimes exhibit COP > 1 (peak-to-peak) results if tuned properly.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 06, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
Is the Joule Thief an OU device?
From our experiments, we could not detect COP greater than one (peak-to-peak) results on the basic Joule Thief if we put a load on the LED side.
However, if we put a load (LED + 100 Ohm +10 Ohm) on the secondary transformer winding side, we sometimes get COP > 1 effects.
The cheapest configuration is the one-inch yellow toroid with 13 JT windings and 20 transformer windings approximately. We need to tune it with variable resistors, change the holes in the breadboard, change the actual number of transformer windings and the length of the various wires etc.
The result so far suggests that:
The Joule Thief Circuit in general is NOT an overunity circuit. The enhanced Joule Thief with transformer winding on the secondary will sometimes exhibit COP > 1 (peak-to-peak) results if tuned properly.
No, you can't claim OU in any of your experiments because you have done them incorrectly. Do them the way they should be done, as explained, and then we'll see if you have OU.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 06, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
I didn't see it, you're right, clown. Where have you shown any argument at all, clown?
It seems to me YOU are the one claiming these things are OU.
Therefore YOU should be able to prove this.
You cannot do so thus you are a Clown.
I say these things are not OU so there is nothing to prove.
"sometimes"??? what happened? suddenly you realize you need to back down a little bit, so you can bleed some more money from your investors!
TO ALL THAT ARE CONSIDERING GIVING MONEY TO THIS MAN! DON'T .. unless you like flushing your money down the toilet.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 06, 2011, 01:02:18 PM
It seems to me YOU are the one claiming these things are OU.
Therefore YOU should be able to prove this.
You cannot do so thus you are a Clown.
I say these things are not OU so there is nothing to prove.
Where have you given any argument whatsoever one way or another, clown?
As for me, I have proved that some systems are OU. I even cited some proofs here. Look back at some of my earlier posts, clown.
Hong Kong University Workshop on-line???
A Christian Scientist suggested that I should put the HKU workshop information on the Internet and benefit the World. The cost is minimal. Some will learn. Some will jeer and mock. (Some seeds may fall on fertile soil.)
It is impossible for the evil powers to stop the spread of such knowledge.
Thank you for the Devine Guidance. Amen
so what... you show a picture of a bread board.. you might as well show a picture of your hairy arse... would have the same effect... jack all
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 06, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
Hong Kong University Workshop on-line???
...
From JT, toroids and blinking LED's down to a single Radio Shack breadboard? You are quite a magician Mr. Tseung. Keep going. You're almost there (like an exponential decay curve).
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: Omnibus on January 06, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
I have proved that some systems are OU.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Clown You should concider working together with Lawrence.
I am sure you two make a great team :D
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 06, 2011, 04:09:39 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA Clown
You should concider working together with Lawrence.
I am sure you two make a great team :D
On the contrary, clown. You should consider working together with Lawrenece for providing no arguments regarding any of your statements. You're a spammer, clown. You a clown-spammer.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 06, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
On the contrary, clown. You should consider working together with Lawrenece for providing no arguments regarding any of your statements. You're a spammer, clown. You a clown-spammer.
Offcource, but that is just one of my personality's...
None of us are claiming OU in NON OU setups, and you are so you are the real Clown here :D
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 06, 2011, 07:00:21 PM
Offcource, but that is just one of my personality's...
None of us are claiming OU in NON OU setups, and you are so you are the real Clown here :D
spam
Quote from: Omnibus on January 06, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
On the contrary, clown. You should consider working together with Lawrenece for providing no arguments regarding any of your statements. You're a spammer, clown. You a clown-spammer.
spam
Workshop Slide 2
Get the components before you start.
The two coils of copper wire should both be 1 meter or 3 feet long. The diameter should be 0.5mm. They should be the ones specific for winding transformers.
If you do not have a scope or oscilloscope that can display waveforms, peak-to-peak and/or rms voltages, you will not be able to do this experiment. Try to work with someone or some organization with such equipment.
Try to use the 1 inch yellow toroid. This is a tuning exercise. Using the wrong components may not work.
I shall get at least 100 such component sets from China before the actual workshop in USA.
With God's Blessing, this on-line workshop will reach millions. Amen.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 06, 2011, 09:45:46 PM
This is a how to become a CLOWN exercise.
You got that part correct.
Explaining the action of the enhanced Joule Thief from the point of view of Lead-out or Bring-in Energy
1. With the basic Joule Thief circuit, the transistor 2N2222 will be pulsing between the OFF and ON state.
2. At the OFF state (at the start), There is a relatively large resistance at the Emitter Junction of the transistor. Thus most of the current will flow via the Base and Collector junction. This current will be governed by the 1K ohm resistor. The maximum value is 0.0015 amp(1.5V/1,000ohm).
3. This small current will then change the resistance at the Emitter Junction to a very low value. This is the property of the transistor. We can think on this as the ON state.
4. At the ON state, there will be a relatively large amount of current going around the circuit. The current will flow through the LED and the 1 ohm resistor we put into the circuit. Since no or little current flows through Base and the Collector, the transistor falls back to the OFF state.
5. Thus we can treat the Joule Thief circuit as switching from the ON to OFF state and vice versa at a certain frequency. The current through the circuit including the toroid will jump from a high to a low value and vice versa. The magnetic flux will interact with the orbiting electrons â€"changing the random orientation to an ordered oscillation. This ordered oscillation will lead-out or bring-in existing electron motion energy. There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.
6. From watching the Oscilloscope, we find that the frequency detected will change with the size, the number of windings, the type of core of the toroid and the other electronic components in the circuit. The transistor does not provide a single fixed frequency.
7. Since the basic Joule Thief is a closed loop, we expect the battery or the power supply itself is part of the circuit. That is effectively a self-looped or feedback system.
8. In a stable feedback system, we expect the frequency will be maintained. Some of the lead-out energy will be lost as heat or lighting the LED or recharging the battery.
9. Now what happens if we drain some energy out via the secondary circuit with the magnetic flux change. The drainage will also be pulsed. From the oscilloscopes, we find that the output voltage (peak-to-peak) is much larger than the input. The value can be 100 times or more. The number of turns in the secondary may only be twice that of the primary. Thus this phenomenon does not obey the normal rule of the transformer.
10. The current drained out will be a function of the resistance or impedance we put into the secondary circuit. The surprising result is that the peak-to-peak current value as observed across the 1 ohm or 10 ohm resistor can be equal to or larger than the input value. The tuning via a variable resistor can make significant difference to the observed frequency. (Normally, in a standard LCR circuit, changing the resistance R does not change the frequency.)
11. The assumption from the lead-out energy theory is that â€" the phenomenon can be compared to pushing a swing. Energy is always lead-out but if the pulsing frequency is not correct, the amplitude of oscillation may actually diminish (a damping effect).
12. Thus it is a matter of finding the right pulsing frequency (or resonance hunting). At present, that is achieved by much experimenting. Observing the Instantaneous Power waveforms on two oscilloscopes is a good experimental technique.
13. Once we hit on a possible resonance condition, we just alter the various parameters around it. That is how we can get FLEET prototypes with very high COP values. In the near future, we shall freeze such configurations and try to mass-produce them.
14. It is clear that with different transistors, different pulsing mechanism, different toroids, different LCR values and different physical dimensions; we can change the resonance frequencies. Many successful FLEET prototypes will surface in the near future if researchers understand and follow the above outlines.
15. The Output Power is likely to increase from the watts range to the kilowatts range. Practical devices for home or industrial use are in sight.
God is making the picture clearer and clearer. Amen.
Workshop slide 3
Prepare the Toroid with the Joule Thief type winding. Note that we use the 0.5mm copper transformer wire. Thus the steps are not exactly the same as described in the tutorial:
http://evilmadscientist.com/article.php/joulethief
Study that article carefully if you have never built a Joule Thief before.
You do not mention the type of toroid used nor do you specify the wire.
That alone makes you the biggest Clown of all.
Happy new year to all participants of this topic!!!
Jesus
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
You do not mention the type of toroid used nor do you specify the wire.
That alone makes you the biggest Clown of all.
You have become repetative and annoying. Have you got nothing better to do with your time?
You have to understand there are Thousands of types of toroids all with different properties and there are Thousands of types of wire all with different propeties.
Lawrence Tseung is a Clown and if you are not carefull enough you will become one too...
I think with your wonderous knowledge of electronics and OU devices you should start your own thread and show us all how it is done.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
You have to understand there are Thousands of types of toroids all with different properties and there are Thousands of types of wire all with different propeties.
Lawrence Tseung is a Clown and if you are not carefull enough you will become one too...
Lawrence is confused. He may or may not have an OU device. But you are the real clown.
@Omnibus
QuoteAs for me, I have proved that some systems are OU. I even cited some proofs here. Look back at some of my earlier posts, clown.
What are the devices ? , The theory behind it ? Have you some photos ? measurements ? links ?
Unfortunately we cannot read over 4000 posts... :-\
Quote from: Omnibus on January 07, 2011, 02:19:05 PM
Lawrence is confused. He may or may not have an OU device. But you are the real clown.
Yes i never said i was not a Clown.
But we are all Clowns.
You are a Clown too.
The difference between you and me is that you are of the OU claiming Clown type and i'm not.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 02:55:19 PM
Yes i never said i was not a Clown.
But we are all Clowns.
You are a Clown too.
The difference between you and me is that you are of the OU claiming Clown type and i'm not.
You are the clown. A spammer and a loser too.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 07, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
You are the clown. A spammer and a loser too.
At least i'm not the one running around claiming OU mate.
That's you and that Lawrence twat.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
At least i'm not the one running around claiming OU mate.
That's you and that Lawrence twat.
spam
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 04:53:09 PM
\
Nope
It's reality actually.
You are Lawrence #2
spam
Clown.
Workshop Slide 4
Use the Scope or the multimeter to determine the wire pair. This step must be done correctly. In the "Make a Joule Thief" tutorial, two different color wires were used. In our case, we need to do this additional step.
This is the basic Joule Thief Toroid. With mass-production, we need to ensure the quality of the toroids, the winding tightness, the copper wires etc. With the hand-built method, we may be able to adjust (or tune) to get the good results. That will be the fun part!
Workshop Slide 5
Learn to use the breadboard and the components to build the required circuit. Read the "make a joule thief" tutorial again to make sure that you understand the circuit.
The exact position of where to insert the component parts is not important at this point. You can play around to get a good feel. We shall take all the components out again to add the transformer winding and other components.
If you have not used the breadboard before and managed to get the circuit built correctly, congratulate yourself. Take a break.
Clown this is a toy for 8 year olds.
Workshop Slide 6
God works miracles. Insults can be turned into inspirations.
The basic Joule Thief circuit built so far will be preserved as a teaching model. Students can examine it or even unplug the wires and reconnect them. That can help to build their confidence before they build their own Basic Joule Thief.
The unplugging and reconnecting will be a good exercise in using the breadboard. This skill will be needed in the tuning later on.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 08, 2011, 10:56:13 AM
Workshop Slide 6
"One potential sponsor has a 8 year old daughter who wants to learn electronics from me".
Oh no! Poor girl. She'll exhibit delusional symptoms before she's 12!
Now she'll won't be able to tell the difference between a dalmatian and a panda.
cheers
chrisC
What's going on with the replication, never mind the blind leading the blind?
That is sad.
Well, there's one good thing to say about Lawrence's presentation: the photos are nearly in focus.
Hey, Lawrence, here's a question your eight year old student might ask her Teacher: What's the difference between an Emitter on a PNP transistor, and an Emitter on an NPN transistor?
Quick, now, without consulting Wikipedia.....
It's a simple question any electronics teacher, even of eight-year-olds, should be able to answer immediately.
Next, she'll be asking about pull-up resistors, and then you'll really be in trouble.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 08, 2011, 11:40:25 AM
What's going on with the replication, never mind the blind leading the blind?
Replication of what, a "Pulsed DC transformer with Embedded Magnets"?
Just take the simple JT circuit above and bring a strong NdBFe magnet up to the toroid. The Steorn Orbo effect will cause, depending on the toroid, a strong brightening, or sometimes a dimming, of the LED.
Be very careful not to lose control of the magnet; they can pinch you or spall off red-hot bits that will hit you in the eyeballs.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 08, 2011, 11:40:25 AM
What's going on with the replication, never mind the blind leading the blind?
@Omnibus
I sincerely hope you're not expecting miracles. Do you seriously think there's substance in Lawrence's 'expertise', so to speak? You'll be waiting until the clowns come home!
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 08, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
Replication of what, a "Pulsed DC transformer with Embedded Magnets"?
Just take the simple JT circuit above and bring a strong NdBFe magnet up to the toroid. The Steorn Orbo effect will cause, depending on the toroid, a strong brightening, or sometimes a dimming, of the LED.
Be very careful not to lose control of the magnet; they can pinch you or spall off red-hot bits that will hit you in the eyeballs.
Replication of the energy balance sqhowing OU.
You, for instance, haven't done that on Steorn's motor. @Omega_0 has.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 07, 2011, 11:46:17 PM
Clown this is a toy for 8 year olds.
and you ? you are six ?
Just woke up I see my favourite comic strip has not failed to deliver.
I suggest Lawrence hire TK to do some videos...I know my 3 yo loves the penguins (actually I do as well)
@OMI....just curious..are you here for the laughs like Chris and I am or do you honestly believe Lawrence has something?
Mark
Workshop Slide 7
This is the enhanced Joule Thief or FLEET.
I am using the best prototype as a guide.
Workshop Slide 8
This is the magic. Even though I do not have two oscilloscopes in USA, I can still produce high COP FLEET prototypes. Study it well and see if you can replicate.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 09, 2011, 02:17:08 AM
Workshop Slide 8
This is the magic. Even though I do not have two oscilloscopes in USA, I can still produce high COP FLEET prototypes. Study it well and see if you can replicate.
Hey Mr. Magician:
What happened to the PhD professor you were using to qualify your O.U devices? Seemed like it took a long time to measure some simple devices?
Would love to hear from him directly on this thread.
cheers
chrisC
@ChrisC
Professor Dumbledoor was no longer available I hear, nor Cirus black.
Still waiting for a replacement
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 09, 2011, 02:42:01 AM
@ChrisC
Professor Dumbledoor was no longer available I hear, nor Cirus black.
Still waiting for a replacement
Mark
Oh dear! Perhaps we scared him off? The University has a reputation to protect and poor prof.'s job maybe on the line if he was openly known to be associated with delusions? We'll never find out. Pity....
cheers
chrisC
Workshop Slide 9
The FLEET prototype can now be checked by electronic equipment. If we have two good oscilloscopes, we can determine the actual Energy Out over a certain period and compare that with the actual Energy In over the same period. That will give the most accurate COP value.
The poor me at Irvine do not have the oscilloscopes. Thus, I can only report the results to the best ability of my equipment. My scope (UNI-T UT81B) can display the peak-to-peak wave form. The Input is from an AA battery that can provide 1.3V DC. The displayed Output Vpp is 8 V.
From our previous experiments in Hong Kong (with the China-made oscilloscopes), this result is a good indication that the FLEET prototype is likely to show COP > 1.
The PhysicsProfessor will be using the best oscilloscopes available and the rsults will be absolutely conclusive. No mistakes will be allowed. He will use not only my prototype(s) but also the ones built at his esteemed University.
Hong Kong University will not be the only University that can build high COP FLEET prototypes.
God has given us almost inexhaustible electron motion energy. Let us use it wisely. Amen.
Thank you Lawrence for sharing your results & Super Great Photos.
I also GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT for IGNORING the TROLLS that persist in giving you a rough time.
I have searched & searched & searched, but I am UNABLE to see any overunity contributions from any of the TROLLS. LOL
.
Nice post LT.
Thankyou.
so what do you want to do with those things?
make a very eficient transformer??
Cos that's all you can do with it.
Clown.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 09, 2011, 11:50:14 AM
so what do you want to do with those things?
make a very eficient transformer??
Cos that's all you can do with it.
Clown.
Young man, one more wise crack out of you and you will be added to the American Troll Societies most wanted list. Is that what you want?
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/
Here are the names of two other people that figured out that mixing multiple frequencies (heterodyning) will create excess energy and OU.
Stan Meyer
John Keely
That does not make Lawrence any less goofy, he is goofy to the forth power and would probably be the first to admit it. That being said, the science behind heterodyning is solid as a rock and goes back to the early days of radio. When a signal was too weak to receive, they would transmit a weak harmonic frequency (octave I think) near the receiver and the transmitter could then be received.
The science is hardly new and is fully understood so it is all a waste of Chinese tuning forks. If Lawrence keeps using them all up, the Chinese will have to eat with bamboo sticks!
As far as that joule thief is concerned, it is no surprise that the person that started the thread couldn't even spell the word "joule". On the other side of the coin, the thread has over 300 pages and half million views. Define success?
Behold the power of blinking lights. No wonder it is raining dead birds all over the western world. The sky is falling and the world is coming to an end. You don't suppose that has anything to do with Lawrence do you? Hey Lawrence, do you live in Arkansas, Alabama or Italy?
I have an unreasonable fear of clowns and yet I am here.
Quote from: FatBird on January 09, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
Thank you Lawrence for sharing your results & Super Great Photos.
I also GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT for IGNORING the TROLLS that persist in giving you a rough time.
I have searched & searched & searched, but I am UNABLE to see any overunity contributions from any of the TROLLS. LOL
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Totally agree with FatBird. My colleague and I have built Lawrence's toroidal devices from scratch and found they display very interesting characteristics. Thanks for the detailed instructions, Lawrence.
Can any of the mockers do this? Again, I do not plan to publish detailed results until our tests are complete -- and probably not here given the level of juvenile mocking that persists on this forum, contrary to the rules of the forum, but with no moderation in sight.
You don't have any test results because you do not know how to test it.
That's why you took off to that other forum in the first place.
Problem is that they don't know either..
If that place is so much beter i suggest you take your test results there and leave.
I already know the outcome and i'm not intersted in your results.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 09, 2011, 12:38:32 PM
You don't have any test results because you do not know how to test it.
That's why you took off to that other forum in the first place.
Problem is that they don't know either..
If that place is so much beter i suggest you take your test results there and leave.
I already know the outcome and i'm not intersted in your results.
Sadly you are right in that he does not know how to test, use his scope and does not want to change that. He claims 4 division of 2 volts which is not true.
The waves are not square Lawrence. The top 4 volts are missing about half the time and voltage. Next it is actually about 80% of a time division at best. You need to do a Fourier analysis of the scope or at least look at what is there. How you can claim something that is not true on a photo that proves it is not true is a bit strange.
Next we measure power in watts.
But you really can't do that without figuring out the power correction factor and true RMS current readings.
Lawrence is a little self delusional. It is the "I'll see it when I believe it" syndrome.
Unless you are willing to properly measure, you will be ridiculed since you are willfully choosing to make claims that are false.
Lawrence does not know how to read a scope.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 09, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
Lawrence does not know how to read a scope.
Of course, and that's quite obvious. So, please, leave Mr. Ltseung (and all of the rest of his several hundreds of accounts) with his own delusions alone...
He's really quite harmless..
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 09, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
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Again, I do not plan to publish detailed results until our tests are complete -- and probably not here given the level of juvenile mocking that persists on this forum, contrary to the rules of the forum, but with no moderation in sight.
Hahhaha. Let's see your results and what Stanford Review has to say.
As for not posting here, um, what 'truth' can be mocked by trolls?
If Lawrence really has discovered O.U in such a simple set up, there will be a hundred TV crews from all over the world outside his door.
There are a lot of 'PhysicsProfessors' researchers whose knowledge of electronics and power measurements are just above the 'scientist' knowledge of wannabes! Unless of course you proved yourself; Stanford U will indeed be proud.
cheers
chrisC
Slowly, I'm Ltseung's fan.
Are you the one who can discredit his 4-legged stool experiment?
Or, the helibox adventure?
I thought so....
So, please, shut up... (you may continue to lough, though...)
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 09, 2011, 02:56:49 PM
Who died and left you in charge spinner?
You did?
Sorry...
The physics professor is just another one of Lawrence's many personalities. remember he use to have conversations with himself on the forum by having at least three log in names. This is just another creation. What happenned to all the testing in Asia at universities?? What happened to any thing that was happenning over there???
Now if you want to see something of interest and real development...some interesting posts on JT and JT ringer....not saying overunity but some interesting measurements and variations.
Anyway I hope Lawrence continues his work..it certainly puts a smile on my face everyday.
Mark
Lawrence is operating the PhysicsProfessor with his left foot,
I have seen it it is a fact, you can believe everything I say I have the proof
but I must stick with the theme of this thread and be misleading, secretive and mysterious.
After all you do believe in magic don't you Lawrence
Editing.. stay tuned.
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 09, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
He is is to Asia what IST is to Canada.
If Lawrence asks people for money and has fake conversations with himself to deceive them, that is by definition fraud with a kicker sentence for using the telecom system to do it. He could easily get 5 - 10 years in club fed for that and the evidence is everywhere.
Spinner thinks he is harmless and he appears to be trying to sell it to them now. Note the address and covert ad on that last photo?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg270144#msg270144
Rotflm...
You Joker, you...
Magniwork and Lawrence a similar breed, and there are many more out there
but hey even Richard from Magnecost is still welcome back here
;D
The member "PhysicsProfessor" is in fact a professor at a university in the USA.
.99
LT,
You said,
QuoteGod has given us almost inexhaustible electron motion energy. Let us use it wisely. Amen.
Assuming you are talking about the
Unpaired Electron Spin present in Ferromagnetic Materials...
that produces a strong magnetic field
and can amplify the tiny magnetic field of a coil by 1,000s of times, without using extra energy.
(by means of previously Randomly Oriented Dipoles lining up and ADDING to the Coil's Field)
Formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil. B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
- (99.9 % of all substances have a μr ~ 1, Ferros have a μr ~ 500 to 1 Million)
I say Hallelujah !
Now we're talking.
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You should know a new hot topic is the Joule Ringer. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0
I believe it is a Joule Thief whose output is used to Resonate a Transformer.It is breaking records when it comes to lighting a CFL with a AA battery. <----
This Circuit utilizes 2 USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy) which I have been talking about for years.
1.
Magnetic Permeability... the phenom that a ferro material is made up of many magnetic dipoles (powered by free electron spin.)
We utilize this energy every day.. yet do not recognize it as such.
ie. A speaker with exchangeable magnets is going to produce a louder sound with a more powerful magnet.
2.
Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
ie.Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one by means of feedback and the following.
The extra energy comes from the Molecular Motion in the forks, that was random (before Resonance) which becomes ordered.
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Things are indeed looking good for the New Year.
GodSpeed,
The Observer
P.S. Prof... This is now a direct request...
Please, ignore the debunkers and do not let them affect your postings. If you are offended and change course, then their strategy worked, and they have won this battle.
It is very obvious that they are worried about this... take it as a compliment. ;o)
LMAO @ xs's last piccy
i can see the day coming where Lead Out Energy LED's will be handed out with every happy Meal at McDonalds by none other than.......you guessed it.
I think i know who :)
I see another $600.00 in Larry the clowns future.
FLEET.... how appropriate.
Quote from: FatBird on January 09, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
Thank you Lawrence for sharing your results & Super Great Photos.
I also GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT for IGNORING the TROLLS that persist in giving you a rough time.
I have searched & searched & searched, but I am UNABLE to see any overunity contributions from any of the TROLLS. LOL
.
LOL. Perhaps your searching skills aren't all that.
I have asked over and over for the Very Same power analysis that Lawrence uses, to be applied to my TinselKoil, but you just won't do it. Why not? It's fundamentally the same kind of system: it takes in a low voltage, chops the current into one part of a resonating coil system, and draws out a much higher voltage-- and current too -- from the other part of the coil system. By the definitions used in this thread, that adds up to massive OU.
Plus it's a lot more fun than lighting up a few piddly little LEDs. Of course, you need to be of legal age to participate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSXi3BkkNA
Quote from: poynt99 on January 09, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
The member "PhysicsProfessor" is in fact a professor at a university in the USA.
.99
Amy Bishop was also a professor that had a post graduate degree in crowd control from the University of Smith and Wessen (with honors) and a masters degree in domestic dispute resolution from Remington Firearms shotgun division.
Being a professor did not give this genius knowledge of pulsed electromagnetics either. Her specialty was accelerated particles and the kinetic energy effects on biological systems. Rumor has it she was gifted from an early age.
Miss me? ;D
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 09, 2011, 09:44:14 PM
LOL. Perhaps your searching skills aren't all that.
I have asked over and over for the Very Same power analysis that Lawrence uses, to be applied to my TinselKoil, but you just won't do it. Why not? It's fundamentally the same kind of system: it takes in a low voltage, chops the current into one part of a resonating coil system, and draws out a much higher voltage-- and current too -- from the other part of the coil system. By the definitions used in this thread, that adds up to massive OU.
Plus it's a lot more fun than lighting up a few piddly little LEDs. Of course, you need to be of legal age to participate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSXi3BkkNA
Dear Sir,
As you know here in Russia, it is very cold and we drink copious amounts of Vodka to survive and make our women look thinner. I would like to offer you the Siberian Peninsula (including all mineral rights) in exchange for your vodka heater invention.
Yours sincerely,
Vlad
Quote from: markdansie on January 09, 2011, 03:17:43 PM
The physics professor is just another one of Lawrence's many personalities. ...
Mark
This is, of course, a blatant lie -- and Mark offers his falsehood without a shred of substantiation. He cannot substantiate his unqualified absurdity, because it is not true.
I am a full professor of physics emeritus.
Now, observer, I appreciate your invitation to stay despite such repeated insults and lies, but no thanks. (I may post on occasion; if the nonsense diminishes significantly.)
There are other places including other forums where I can discuss results of my studies without such juvenile mocking and nonsense as we see here. Indeed, consider this post in response to my query on another forum, one which is well-moderated (overunityresearch.com):
QuoteHi PhysicsProf,
Years ago I also "played" with Joulethief circuits to drive white LEDs. I found the most sensitive part for detuning the frequency was the base electrode of the transistor, even a finger approach or light touching to it changed frequencyso I believe the base-emitter transistor capacitance influences frequency maybe the most. This circuit seems to be an RLC oscillator, R is mainly the 1kOhm plus the dynamic base resistance, L is the feedback coil in series with the 1kOhm, I mentioned C already. If you place say a 10pF ceramic capacitor in parallel with base-emitter you can change (lower in this case) the frequency.
To increase efficiency, I agree with Dumped and other possibility is using very low saturation switching transistor like the ones used in photo flash circuits. These have well under 0.1V collector-emitter saturation voltage when conduct so that dissipation in the transistor is at a minimum possible. These transistors have also have high current gain (over several hundred) so that the base drive current can be low.
So we observe that I received serious input there, but here you see this childish nonsense, a high percentage of recent posts on this thread are "spam" and trivialities and ad hominems..
I have taught from Newtonian mechanics to E&M to quantum mechanics -- over 22 years of teaching in two major university systems.
On this OU forum, I observe such a deplorable lack of dignity and common decency evidenced on this thread.
Where are the moderators?
And so you will find that researchers such as Bob Boyce (as he said earlier in this thread) and I will prefer to go elsewhere. And there are places to go (such as OUR) where there is respect and serious scientific discussion, where juvenile nonsense and mocking and ad hominems are minimized.
Not here.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 10, 2011, 12:40:51 AM
....
Indeed, consider this post in response to my query on another forum, one which is well-moderated (overunityresearch.com):
So we observe that I received serious input there, but here you see this childish nonsense, a high percentage of recent posts on this thread are "spam" and trivialities and ad hominems.....
Not here.
Wow! so we should be impressed you have 22 years of experience at 2 universities and you know some RLC oscillator configurations in transistor coupling circuits?
And it will take you more time to figure out how to measure non-linear ac power after you've consulted with your peers so you don't make a fool of yourself to tell the world of how wonderful Tseung's O.U discovery is? We'll be waiting....
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: quarktoo on January 09, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
Dear Sir,
As you know here in Russia, it is very cold and we drink copious amounts of Vodka to survive and make our women look thinner. I would like to offer you the Siberian Peninsula (including all mineral rights) in exchange for your vodka heater invention.
Yours sincerely,
Vlad
In Serbia Russia, vodka drink you!
@PhysicsProfesser
Dear Professor,
I will hold out the olive branch and kindly ask the others to back off and give me some space, or I will call upon TheBuzz and get all medieval on your asses. Seriously guys, give me a moment of civility with this gentleman.
You seem torn between two worlds. In your day job, you teach students free energy is not possible (in the physical sense) and then you come and are ridiculed when you hold that up as credibility. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The problem is further compounded when you ride a horse like Lawrence. Years ago, I read his leed-out theory for about 10 minutes and dismissed him as just another sub-genius with delusions of grandeur.
You can be the best jockey on Earth but if you are sitting on a donkey in a horse race, you become the donkey. We are often judged by the company we keep and so far, the only thing Lawrence has proven is that he figured out how to add more advertisements to this forum. I suppose in that regard, he accomplished the impossible.
So let us wipe the black board clean and start fresh. I will make you three promises:
1. Our conversation will be civil.
2. You are going to learn something.
3. You are going to question everything you thought you knew about electromagnetics.
Now, that is a mighty heady way to start a conversation but I never talk shit unless I am intentionally trying to bait someone into telling me something. I do it all the time but I will not bait you in this conversation.
As an act of good faith, I will tell you something personal about myself. When I got out of the military, (nuclear submarines) I took my GI bill and decided to go to school. (About 1979)
After the first class, I approached the physics professor and showed him a magnet motor idea I had. The principle was sound and in retrospect it was similar to Howard Johnsons flux gate. Without investigation, he dismissed my idea by telling me "It violates second law. You can't get something from nothing."
I clicked the magnets together in my hand and replied "That isn't nothing and I don't want to turn out like you. All you know is what someone programmed into you and that is not knowledge, that is a belief." I went on to tell him "I am not coming back here since I don't want to become like you. I need to form my own thoughts." Hence my total disdain for all things magical thinking.
I don't know what my life would have been like had I got an education. As it were, I started a computer business and things worked out for me. That was my first and only day in college. The education I have is the one I gave myself.
That first and last day of college began the first step of a journey of nearly 35 years. I now feel I am able to understand the physics of electromagnetic energy at least at an empirical level and explain some of those mysteries like the double slit experiment, Faraday's disk, the real Leedscalnin PMH experiment that nobody seems to do or Marinov's perpetual mobile.
That is real information about me and I don't share anything personal with anyone. I don't come here to make friends, I come here to learn, teach and sometimes have some fun making trouble. It is a process that gets people to spill information. So let our conversation begin and in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion.
The first thing you need to learn is what electricity is and they don't teach that in school. Often you will find the word phenomena associated with the definition because some of the most simple questions cannot be answered. When academia does attempt to provide an answer, it is nothing more than a label like "field" or "force carrier" which begins a circular thought and in the end explains nothing.
On a related note - I think Feynman got it just before he died or maybe confession was good for the soul after the Papp incident decades prior. Feynman appeared on a PBS special with Mandelbrot and Feynman spilled the free energy beans that Bohm had figured out back in the 70's as I recall.
So we should start at the beginning and end at the end. I promise you in the end, you are going to finally understand what is happening at a sub-atomic level and electricity will suddenly all make sense. Then you will better understand why Lawrence's experiment is flawed and why he and others are ridiculed on this joule thief subject.
The first "effect" of electrical production is voltage. Voltage is a vacuum field and that is why an electron attempts to fill that space. We measure a voltage field by the tension and that tension is a vacuum. So in reality, at an atomic level if you flipped your scope upside down, it would indicate accurately. No wonder people are confused huh? I only think in relative particle charges and it took years for me to deprogram myself.
But first we have a little puzzle that needs to be solved. Voltage moves at the speed of light, an electron moves down a wire slightly less than 1 meter per minute while the magnet is passing the inductor at say 2 meters per second.
How did we go from 2 meters per second with a magnet to the speed of light? If you look up the definition of voltage, it will say something like voltage is the photonic force carrier of the electromagnetic force. This is not accurate.
So the first question I have for you is: What caused the speed amplification of a magnet moving 2 meters per second to voltage moving at 299,792,458 m/s - the speed of light?
Try your best to answer that question. I am not interested in writing an essay, I want to have a conversation and the ball is in your court. If you can empirically find a flaw, you will be the first physics professor to do it and I have had this conversation dozens of times and have not lost yet.
Again, I will politely ask others to stay out of this conversation. If it becomes necessary, I may be able to still start a locked or moderated thread under an old user name.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 10, 2011, 12:40:51 AM
And so you will find that researchers such as Bob Boyce (as he said earlier in this thread) and I will prefer to go elsewhere.
If you need that long to see if this thing is OU or not:
GO!! PLEASE GO !!Why are you still here?
Do i need to pay you to leave?
Clown Professor
Professor,
Moderation of this forum is up to the partisipants in the thread,If they complain to the "Boss" ,censorship begins.
you are in with a group of some serious talent here ,it would be nice if they could take some of this more seriously.
We know about Poynts place ,and that is always an option.
Having a physicist as a cousin[also a teacher ] ,I can
appreciate what you are doing [or trying to do].
It ain't easy ,but i suspect it will be well worth it!!
Thanks
Chetkremens@gmail.com
PS
If you like we can petition the boss to start a moderated thread,which you will be in charge of ,than posts like the one above will simply disappear.
Why would he do that Chet?
He has found his well moderated place elsewhere...so why is he still here?
Can you tell me?
Quote from: quarktoo on January 10, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
@PhysicsProfesser
Dear Professor,
I will hold out the olive branch and kindly ask the others to back off and give me some space, or I will call upon TheBuzz and get all medieval on your asses. Seriously guys, give me a moment of civility with this gentleman.
You seem torn between two worlds. In your day job, you teach students free energy is not possible (in the physical sense) and then you come and are ridiculed when you hold that up as credibility. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
For the record, the above statement by you is not accurate, but less important than what follows IMO.
QuoteThe problem is further compounded when you ride a horse like Lawrence. Years ago, I read his leed-out theory for about 10 minutes and dismissed him as just another sub-genius with delusions of grandeur.
You can be the best jockey on Earth but if you are sitting on a donkey in a horse race, you become the donkey. We are often judged by the company we keep and so far, the only thing Lawrence has proven is that he figured out how to add more advertisements to this forum. I suppose in that regard, he accomplished the impossible.
I am an experimentalist, guided by solid experimental results. In my career, I have brought forth solid evidence (later verified) that was contrary to THEORY at the time. As an experimentalist, I enjoy doing just that -- and that is how science progresses.
Whether Lawrence is "right" or not depends on experiments -- careful repeated measurements -- which I have not yet completed.
QuoteSo let us wipe the black board clean and start fresh. I will make you three promises:
1. Our conversation will be civil.
2. You are going to learn something.
3. You are going to question everything you thought you knew about electromagnetics.
Sounds good to this experimentalist.
QuoteNow, that is a mighty heady way to start a conversation but I never talk shit unless I am intentionally trying to bait someone into telling me something. I do it all the time but I will not bait you in this conversation.
As an act of good faith, I will tell you something personal about myself. When I got out of the military, (nuclear submarines) I took my GI bill and decided to go to school. (About 1979)
After the first class, I approached the physics professor and showed him a magnet motor idea I had. The principle was sound and in retrospect it was similar to Howard Johnsons flux gate. Without investigation, he dismissed my idea by telling me "It violates second law. You can't get something from nothing."
I clicked the magnets together in my hand and replied "That isn't nothing and I don't want to turn out like you. All you know is what someone programmed into you and that is not knowledge, that is a belief." I went on to tell him "I am not coming back here since I don't want to become like you. I need to form my own thoughts." Hence my total disdain for all things magical thinking.
I don't know what my life would have been like had I got an education. As it were, I started a computer business and things worked out for me. That was my first and only day in college. The education I have is the one I gave myself.
That first and last day of college began the first step of a journey of nearly 35 years. I now feel I am able to understand the physics of electromagnetic energy at least at an empirical level and explain some of those mysteries like the double slit experiment, Faraday's disk, the real Leedscalnin PMH experiment that nobody seems to do or Marinov's perpetual mobile.
I would like to talk to you about these "mysteries"... at an "empirical level" is indeed my style.
QuoteThat is real information about me and I don't share anything personal with anyone. I don't come here to make friends, I come here to learn, teach and sometimes have some fun making trouble. It is a process that gets people to spill information. So let our conversation begin and in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion.
I'm not saying you can't do it until I see the actual experiment -- but so far, that's just hot air.
QuoteThe first thing you need to learn is what electricity is and they don't teach that in school. Often you will find the word phenomena associated with the definition because some of the most simple questions cannot be answered. When academia does attempt to provide an answer, it is nothing more than a label like "field" or "force carrier" which begins a circular thought and in the end explains nothing.
On a related note - I think Feynman got it just before he died or maybe confession was good for the soul after the Papp incident decades prior. Feynman appeared on a PBS special with Mandelbrot and Feynman spilled the free energy beans that Bohm had figured out back in the 70's as I recall.
Again, very interesting. If you have a link or reference to a written transcript, I will read it.
QuoteSo we should start at the beginning and end at the end. I promise you in the end, you are going to finally understand what is happening at a sub-atomic level and electricity will suddenly all make sense. Then you will better understand why Lawrence's experiment is flawed and why he and others are ridiculed on this joule thief subject.
Experimental evidence first, please.
QuoteThe first "effect" of electrical production is voltage. Voltage is a vacuum field and that is why an electron attempts to fill that space. We measure a voltage field by the tension and that tension is a vacuum. So in reality, at an atomic level if you flipped your scope upside down, it would indicate accurately. No wonder people are confused huh? I only think in relative particle charges and it took years for me to deprogram myself.
But first we have a little puzzle that needs to be solved. Voltage moves at the speed of light, an electron moves down a wire slightly less than 1 meter per minute while the magnet is passing the inductor at say 2 meters per second.
How did we go from 2 meters per second with a magnet to the speed of light? If you look up the definition of voltage, it will say something like voltage is the photonic force carrier of the electromagnetic force. This is not accurate.
So the first question I have for you is: What caused the speed amplification of a magnet moving 2 meters per second to voltage moving at 299,792,458 m/s - the speed of light?
Try your best to answer that question. I am not interested in writing an essay, I want to have a conversation and the ball is in your court. If you can empirically find a flaw, you will be the first physics professor to do it and I have had this conversation dozens of times and have not lost yet.
Each electron moves slowly in the wire as you correctly state, yet the electric field and correlated voltage is transmitted at or near the speed of light (compared to the slow-speed of the electron) to the end of the wire. I do not see a contradiction here. I would say that the effect is like this, by analogy -- a line of like-charged cars in which one moves, pushing the next which pushes the next and so on. They do not move together (for that would imply faster-than-light impulses), but the impulse moves down the line much faster than the motion of an individual car. For electrons, which all carry negative charge, the impulse indeed moves at something close to the speed of light.
OK -- now I'm ready to listen to your viewpoint. Actually, I'm more interested in your claim, "
in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion."
QuoteAgain, I will politely ask others to stay out of this conversation. If it becomes necessary, I may be able to still start a locked or moderated thread under an old user name.
Sound good to me.
You found a better place so why are you still here?
It's obvious:
You just want our attention
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 10, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
You found a better place so why are you still here?
It's obvious:
You just want our attention
That is false, stated politely. Your record of provocation and mocking is quite remarkable, XS-NRG (which reminds me of the XS-heat claims of Pons and Fleischmann). Perhaps it is you that "just wants our attention."
I'm actually quite interested -- as I clearly stated -- in Quark's claim "in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion."'
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 10, 2011, 10:11:08 AM
..."in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion."'
I am politely saying this, dont get me wrong.
The life is short, the time is ripe. Why wait to the end to share with us a good pepetual motion experiment?
Jesus
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 10, 2011, 10:11:08 AM
That is false, stated politely. Your record of provocation and mocking is quite remarkable, XS-NRG (which reminds me of the XS-heat claims of Pons and Fleischmann). Perhaps it is you that "just wants our attention."
I'm actually quite interested -- as I clearly stated -- in Quark's claim "in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion."'
No it's not a false statement.
Normally, when people find a better place they leave.
Take your perpetual motion and leave.
You can't say anything that will impress me and i think you should get back to wherever they teached you because you clearly missed alot.
For those who would like serious discussions and no spam
Please visit the thread started by PhysicProfessor at:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.0
I shall post there too. However, many of my posts are in overunity.com for achiving and double-checking by the US and Chinese authorities. Major Todd Hathaway and myself are trying to influence them to start a US-China event. They are waiting for some "authoritative academic" verifications and confirmations.
That will come shortly.
Overunityresearch.com you say?
Serious people over there think the same thing we think over here - your joule thief is nothing of importance nor results are being measure right.. Anyone is welcome to read there too.
What moderator should really do is clear this kind of useless threads out of the forums so more people could concentrate on more serious stuff around honest public and not to be mislead. This dishonest tseung guy is being told how to measure by EVERYBODY but he just keeps ignoring all that and calling all those "insult posts"... wtf is wrong with the picture?... plus he keeps using Gods name .. hes up to no good...seriously.
Whole lot of promises and not much of a results... The only thing I can see he is here to create traffic for ou.com
Circus will stay open as long as there is audience to watch it.
Minde
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 10, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
Each electron moves slowly in the wire as you correctly state, yet the electric field and correlated voltage is transmitted at or near the speed of light (compared to the slow-speed of the electron) to the end of the wire. I do not see a contradiction here. I would say that the effect is like this, by analogy -- a line of like-charged cars in which one moves, pushing the next which pushes the next and so on. They do not move together (for that would imply faster-than-light impulses), but the impulse moves down the line much faster than the motion of an individual car. For electrons, which all carry negative charge, the impulse indeed moves at something close to the speed of light.
OK -- now I'm ready to listen to your viewpoint. Actually, I'm more interested in your claim, "in the end I will give you an experiment that will puzzle you and your peers for life - perpetual motion."
Sound good to me.
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Dear Professor,
Thank you for the reply. You are clearly who and what you claim to be and I want to thank you for the opportunity to have this conversation with you.
In a single paragraph, you have managed to expose the flaw in academics that prevents you from understanding the nature of electricity, the behavior of a joule thief and far more.
While I sometimes still have the pedantic nature of a child and make no apology for that, I am also a man of high integrity and I will deliver on my promise IN THE END as stated. Please match my integrity and follow me through this process to the end. Otherwise the difference between you and XS-NRG is "an education".
Just as I correctly assumed, when you described what voltage is, you used the term "field" (nothing but a label) to describe the interaction between the magnet and the wire and the electrons on the wire. This is why you don't understand electricity.
You made an assumption that was incorrect and you do not see the contradiction. This is the difference between an experimentalist and the programming of education. This flaw based in assumption weaves through everything you "BELIEVE" about the physics of electromagnetics and hobbles your understanding.
Since you used an analogy, I will respond in kind but with a practical analogy that will not result in a lengthy prison sentence for automobile insurance fraud.
Nature creates in fractals and probably without exception anywhere in the universe. That is the nature of a wave/particle universe. Assuming a departure from that would be the magical thinking of belief for which I have little time for.
Here is your first experiment - I want you to go to a bowling alley and study a line of bowling balls sitting on the rail. Place three bowling balls in a row close together and roll a ball into them.
You will notice that the three balls move only slightly and the ball on the end will bounce off the end and exhibit the speed of the ball you rolled into those three balls minus losses.
If your assumption of voltage is correct, the ball on the end would have accelerated but it didn't and you don't need to rent some clown shoes to prove it.
I can tell you the answer as to why voltage moves at the speed of light but until you stop making assumptions based in the magical thinking of meaningless labels to describe a "physical" event, you will not hear the answer.
You every thought should go through a three stage filter and you will not have thought integrity and the understanding that springs forth until then.
1. Knowledge is experience.
2. There are things that I know and things that I do not know.
3. I do not know what I do not know.
Most people fail the test of #3 in nearly everything they think and this is where your thinking is flawed in regard to electricity. We cannot move forward until this programming is removed.
I am a man of high integrity and a promise made is a debt unpaid. I will give you that simple experiment in the end. But, if you follow me through this process of deprogramming your mind, you will receive a gift far more precious and something that exceeds your wildest dreams. That is my promise.
Please continue keep your answers short since more story will reduce the efficiency of this deprogramming process. We need to get past monkey see monkey do, labels and assumptions to create that foundation of understanding for which you will be able to build knowledge upon. Once we get there, everything from time travel to gravity propulsion will be as easy to understand as bicycle repair.
While in the end I will give you that simple irrefutable experiment that can't be explained with Maxwell's equations, I will not disclose the how to of free energy to people that possess the minds of dependent children or the integrity of thieves. The power of the universe is not safe in those hands.
If you carefully read and understand this post, the answer you will need to come to is there in plain sight.
So here is your next question:
Since the speed of voltage was amplified from 2 meters per second to the speed of light, and it takes energy to amplify that speed, where did that required energy come from since the voltage tension would need to be equal to the opposite reaction of electron flow?PS - In the end, if you are a man of integrity, you will have a contradiction between what you know and what your text books teach. This conversation could destroy your career as an educator.
"Not everything that counts is countable" - Albert Einstein
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http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.0
I shall post there too.
HAHA
FINALLY !!!Go where you belong.
Bye Bye now, Clown.
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having provided a professor to assist some one with measurements (in person) on another device here, I just ask one question...please comment on how Lawrence measures peak to peak voltge.
Could you plese explain to all of us what methodology you will be using????
I also note the style of your writing and lnguage has a familar feel to it.
This is simple request.
PS this is my real nme, I have worked at universities for many years
so what is your name
Mark
At this moment I don't believe the conversation is about Lawrence.
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Perhaps a very small amount of self control is in order.
I am quite sure ALL are intrigued.
Let the two parties have the floor!
Chet
128 pages and you think something is going to change in this mystical magic show,
we all know it's BS for a long time now, that's why he gets no space,
the other threads are free from this sort of multiple attack ::)
Quote from: quarktoo on January 09, 2011, 09:48:08 PM
Amy Bishop was also a professor that had a post graduate degree in crowd control from the University of Smith and Wessen (with honors) and a masters degree in domestic dispute resolution from Remington Firearms shotgun division.
Being a professor did not give this genius knowledge of pulsed electromagnetics either. Her specialty was accelerated particles and the kinetic energy effects on biological systems. Rumor has it she was gifted from an early age.
Miss me? ;D
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting
I was not inferring anything at all. My post was intended to convey precisely what was stated, nothing more.
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You raise some good points, Quarktoo. But your question is a bit opaque to me:
QuoteSo here is your next question:
Since the speed of voltage was amplified from 2 meters per second to the speed of light, and it takes energy to amplify that speed, where did that required energy come from since the voltage tension would need to be equal to the opposite reaction of electron flow?
The way you ask the question, I would have to reply frankly -- I don't know. However, if you could give a poor experimentalist a more detailed experimental set-up so he could see just what physical situation you are referring to -- that would be appreciated.
PS -- I am retired (and Emeritus) and I'm not worried about changing my mind if the empirical facts warrant such a change!
QuoteDear Professor,
Thank you for the reply. You are clearly who and what you claim to be and I want to thank you for the opportunity to have this conversation with you.
Yes, I am a professor of physics emeritus -- good talking to you also, thus far.
I have a question for you (no one said that just you, Quark, should ask questions) --
Consider a long solenoid with tight winding such that there is no detectable B [magnetic] field outside of the solenoid near the middle (spot "A" call it), when a steady current is flowing in the wire. Please-- correct me if this cannot be done.
There will be an axial B-field, a B-field inside the solenoid itself.
You seem to not like the term, "field", Quark -- but I refer to that which is measurable using a Hall probe. What else would you like to call it, if not "magnetic field B"?
Now place a test charge, an electron will do, at spot A -- and steadily increase the current in the winding. This will generate a changing axial-B-field which will in turn generate an electric field.
Will B remain close to zero at spot A?
Will said electron at spot A experience a force? If so, why?
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Quote* A Ferromagnetic Substance can Amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times... no extra energy needed !
1) Except we have nothing to do with static magnetic field, since they induce anything...
2) Lenz Law will reflect back to the source, your magnetic field is amplified 100 times or 1000000 no matter...
Since you have a trafo your coupling K is nearly one, for the induced EMF AND BEMF...
QuoteResonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
3) When you try extract power from RLC the resonance is damped, you need a way to extract this power without reflecting to the source --> RV and TV stuff...
4) The true question is: Does L.Tsueng can extract this power without reflecting to the source ?
Dear professor
1. could you comment on Lawrences measurments using peak to peak voltage?
2. What Cop level would we need to achieve to slef loop this device?
With Respect
Mark
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 11, 2011, 12:43:38 AM
You raise some good points, Quarktoo. But your question is a bit opaque to me:
The way you ask the question, I would have to reply frankly -- I don't know. However, if you could give a poor experimentalist a more detailed experimental set-up so he could see just what physical situation you are referring to -- that would be appreciated.
PS -- I am retired (and Emeritus) and I'm not worried about changing my mind if the empirical facts warrant such a change!
Yes, I am a professor of physics emeritus -- good talking to you also, thus far.
I have a question for you (no one said that just you, Quark, should ask questions) --
Consider a toroid with winding such that there is no detectable B [magnetic] field in the plane of the toroid, when a steady current is flowing in the wire. Please-- correct me if this cannot be done.
There will be an axial B-field perpendicular to the plane of the toroid, of course, and a B-field inside the toroid.
You seem to not like the term, "field", Quark -- but I refer to that which is measurable using a Hall probe. What else would you like to call it, if not "magnetic field B"?
Now place a test charge, an electron will do, in the plane of the toroid where B is zero-- and steadily increase the current in the winding. This will generate a changing axial-B-field which will in turn generate an electric field.
Will B remain zero in the plane of the toroid?
Will said electron (in the plane of the toroid) experience a force? If so, why?
Professor,
I have ZERO interest in debate, one-ups-man-ship or any other pedantic games. However a conversation is appreciated more than you probably realize.
A professor slapped me in the face with a misapplied second law 35 years ago and that seemingly innocuous comment changed my life profoundly and not for the better.
The question was:
QuoteSince the speed of voltage was amplified from 2 meters per second to the speed of light, and it takes energy to amplify that speed, where did that required energy come from since the voltage tension would need to be equal to the opposite reaction of electron flow?
Firstly let me congratulate you on your answer. Mostly... I practically spray painted it in big red letters across the post from top to bottom. The correct answer was of course "I don't know". Now how is it that in all these years you never asked yourself that simple question? How did you just accept the word field somehow explained that amplification?
If I place a bunch of cylinder magnets in a tube so they are opposing each other and push one more in in the end of the tube, the one at the opposite end does not fly out at the speed of light. Voltage field does not explain anything. Voltage is produced as a result of mass to atomic energy conversion caused by cavitation or what you would call Ahanarov Bohm effect. You can't account for the missing mass in your finite version of the universe but Einstein tried to explain it with "Not everything that counts is countable." The electrons flow toward that missing mass as it comes to order and entropy.
100 points added to your score for the correct answer even though the entire post was telling you the answer.But... Then I feel you copped out by claiming that the question was "opaque" and I could not have possibly simplified it more. Something acting with the force of the universe, something beyond the force of the magnet and inductor, amplified the speed of the voltage. Your first answer was:
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Each electron moves slowly in the wire as you correctly state, yet the electric field and correlated voltage is transmitted at or near the speed of light (compared to the slow-speed of the electron) to the end of the wire. I do not see a contradiction here.
I have a problem with the term "field" because you used it to define itself and don't see that circular thought with absolutely nothing in between. This is the power of mind control â€" AKA academics. Skipping over that crucial basic piece of relevant information is where most of the confusion regarding electricity and overunity begins.
50 points deducted for your "opaque" comment and dodging the question.QuoteI would say that the effect is like this, by analogy -- a line of lychgate cars in which one moves, pushing the next which pushes the next and so on. They do not move together (for that would imply impulses), but the impulse moves down the line much faster than the motion of an individual car. For electrons, which all carry negative charge, the impulse indeed moves at something close to the speed of light.
What caused voltage at the speed of light? Sorry but the word "field" doesn't cut it with me anymore than "because I said so". I predicted in advance that you would use that term "field" to explain it. You were given every chance to get it right. If I were an idiot, easily manipulated or had approval needs I would be fully lubricated with your "I don't know" answer but that is not the case.
But wait... There's more! - How sad and unexpected... Why do I feel like this is about to turn ugly?
QuoteI have a question for you (no one said that just you, Quark, should ask questions) --
Consider a toroid with winding such that there is no detectable B [magnetic] field in the plane of the toroid, outside the toroid, when a steady current is flowing in the wire. Please-- correct me if this cannot be done.
There will be an axial B-field perpendicular to the plane of the toroid, of course, and a B-field inside the toroid itself.
You seem to not like the term, "field", Quark -- but I refer to that which is measurable using a Hall probe. What else would you like to call it, if not "magnetic field B"?
Now place a test charge, an electron will do, in the plane of the toroid where B is zero-- and steadily increase the current in the winding. This will generate a changing axial-B-field which will in turn generate an electric field.
Will B remain zero in the plane of the toroid (outside the toroid)?
Will said electron (in the plane of the toroid) experience a force? If so, why?
Then you attempt to use higher order thinking to try and turn what was supposed to be a civil conversation, into a pissing match de"bate" using your silly Rodin coil question.
I made it very clear in my first post that I would not try and bait you nor treat you like the typical idiot found here. I kept that promise and expected the same respect from you. I don't feel that was reciprocated.
You lose 50 points for acting cocky and your stock value just tanked.I am old man and this old man has been busy without the benefit of a fancy degree hanging on the wall or the paycheck that comes with it. Monkey see monkey do doesn't cut it with me. I figured out AB effect on my own and working alone. I was all over quantum communication twenty years ago when I researched the ark of the covenant.
The wings of the two golden angels are the two coils of your Rodin antenna. That also just happens to be the two hemispheres of your cocky brain.
The twist of the Rodin coil produces a space of matter cavitation and essentially pops a hole in space time. This allows for communication anywhere in the universe without propagation delay or signal loss and of course the A field is detectable outside the contained B field. If you knew what you were doing, you could place your Hall IC on Pluto and measure it.
The electron stream that is split is the power supply ground plane or the operator of the arc's spinal cord. Ahanarov Bohm effect takes place in the brain stem. The ground plane flows through the four golden ground rods below the akasia wood box and are the four leg bones found below your knees.
The positive voltage supply to your coil is the seven layers of furs that make up the tent over the ark of the covenant. It also happens to be the hair on your head along with some curly hair at the other end which acts to store static electricity.
The resonant box is your abdominal cavity. If I uncoil your cocky brain and your small intestine, they are the same length and the two chokes that make the circuit resonant to infinity. It is how you communicate with "the one" of the universe and how the brain of a psychic reaches across space and time. I am one and a gifted one at that.
The Arc of the Covenant was given to the Sephardic Jews 12,993 years ago from what I can calculate. It was part of a promise that they would not be destroyed by the floods that occur each quarter of the Mayan cycle as the Sun goes through it's natural decay cycle and the poles shift. Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye - your time is near.
The reason the operator of the Arc had a rope tied to his leg so he could be dragged out of the temple is because a persistent spin curl wave can kill you instantly or erase your brain.
If you come back with that attitude, I shall call "TheBuzz" down from the heavens and he will ride you like a rented mule right back to overunityresearch.com where you can find plenty of like minded people to blatherate yourselves into the entropy of harmony for eternity.
Like a child you start by asking for my perpetual motion experiment/toy without living into the offer made -- “in the end I will give you an experimentâ€. That is what I wrote - show a modicum of integrity.
Of course Lawrence’s coil is capable of producing overunity. I have been preaching E=MC2 for years and anytime you accelerate a “field†with a magnet you can square the output. The name Einstein ring a bell?
Einstein got it wrong since E=MC2 only takes mass down to matter. Prior to Einstein is was E^5=MC^2
The technology Lawrence is trying to replicate has been commercialized in Canada and was broadcast on an inventor reality show on national TV - Apparently you didn't get the memo, it has only been invented about 1000 times. The problem is that Lawrence is an idiot incapable of inventing anything much less replicating or measuring it. If he acts like an idiot, he deserves to be treated like one. We reap what we sow - Carry on trolls.
I assume you are either want to play I'm smarter than you or you are feeling insecure. Either way, I don't feel you are ready for my "accelerated" magnetics class.
Class dismissed.BTW â€" You need to learn to spell the word "toroid" properly. Otherwise, when you hold that up in an attempt to make me look stupid (FAIL) it only back fires on you.
Also - Quarktoo is a clue that I know how to split a quark in two. (Username "quarktwo" was taken at my ISP) That is what your coil is doing. If they could only produce witness plates with a layer of particles smaller than an electron, they would see them at their atom smashers. They know how to build accelerators too. ïŠ
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Dear Paid Posters,
Why you guys are SO concerned with an old man walking around with a Joule Thief is beyond me.
Are you aware of the Joule Ringer that is breaking records for CFL light time off of a 1.5 V battery?
I guarantee you this is where the real progress is being made.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0
Why? Because it utilizes two USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)
1. Magnetic Permeability... the phenom that a ferro material is made up of many magnetic dipoles (powered by free electron spin.)
We utilize this energy every day.. yet do not recognize it as such.
ie. A speaker with exchangeable magnets is going to produce a louder sound with a more powerful magnet.
Formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
- (99.9 % of all substances have a μr ~ 1, Ferros have a μr ~ 500 to 1 Million)
* A Ferromagnetic Substance can Amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times... no extra energy needed !
2. Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
ie.Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one by means of feedback and the following.
The extra energy comes from the Molecular Motion in the forks, that was random (before Resonance) which becomes ordered.
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Using a Joule Thief to Resonate a High Voltage Transformer is the next step in the evolution of the Joule Thief Circuit.
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* A Ferromagnetic Substance can Amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times... no extra energy needed !
1) Except we have nothing to do with static magnetic field, since they induce anything...
2) Lenz Law will reflect back to the source, your magnetic field is amplified 100 times or 1000000 no matter...
Since you have a trafo your coupling K is nearly one, for the induced EMF AND BEMF...
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Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
3) When you try extract power from RLC the resonance is damped, you need a way to extract this power without reflecting to the source --> RV and TV stuff...
4) The true question is: Does L.Tsueng can extract this power without reflecting to the source ?
People that mistreat an old man that is trying to help humanity as is shown by his continuous postings, must have a cold an evil heart as this creature I found on a link posted somewhere in this forum.
Dear nievesoliveras
You are looking at it the wrong way.
This old man is wasting other peoples precious time with his bullshit.
He has been told many times that his way of measuring power in vs power out is incorrect.
This man isn't helping humanity at all.
He just wants to cash in on his kid's blocking oscillator.
If this man is helping humanity, then so is magniwork...
If he want's to sign up for the OU prize contest he has to deliver a product.
We do not need page after page after page after page after page if you see what i mean.
Now we also have a Professor who sure talks alot but does not know how to make the measurements either....
Quote from: markdansie on January 11, 2011, 04:40:37 AM
Dear professor
1. could you comment on Lawrences measurments using peak to peak voltage?
2. What Cop level would we need to achieve to slef loop this device?
With Respect
Mark
@xs-nrg
I dont know what to say! I will stay out of it.
Only time will tell the truth!
Jesus
Dearest Saint Buzz
We are sorry about taking one of your stars,these are hard times and we didn't think you would take it so hard.
We have a few stars out at the platers right now being freshened up ,once the stars fall from grace [Grumpy's] They have to get the full treatment again,Its taking along time as our man {the plater} also delivers Pizza ,and for some reason he's very busy with that.
That being said ,we have another small proplem ,we are out of the two part epoxy that holds the stars to your crown,[I know its supposed to be fairy dust]
so sigma16 had a brainstorm ,until we get the fairy dust back in stock [weeks] he offered up a quick fix.
We will just Staple the star to your head for now ,as a deity you of course won't feel a thing.
OOpps have to go [the doorbell, could be the pizza guy]
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Quote from: XS-NRG on January 11, 2011, 07:45:16 AM
Dear nievesoliveras
You are looking at it the wrong way.
This old man is wasting other peoples precious time with his bullshit.
He has been told many times that his way of measuring power in vs power out is incorrect.
This man isn't helping humanity at all.
He just wants to cash in on his kid's blocking oscillator.
If this man is helping humanity, then so is magniwork...
If he want's to sign up for the OU prize contest he has to deliver a product.
We do not need page after page after page after page after page if you see what i mean.
Now we also have a Professor who sure talks alot but does not know how to make the measurements either....
What is your business here? A self appointed busy body?
How are you contributing to the persuit of OU?
I don't think no one is stupid enough to spend the hours you spend here for free.
You must be a paid agittor.
By every stupid posting do you think you are nudging up you own credability?
Go get a life.
;D ;D ;D This place really makes my day!... ;D ;D ;D
GEEEZ................
Bad news,The hardware was out of stainless steel staples[forgot about your magnet head thing,non ferrous issue]
Good news, we picked up some 16 penny stainless ring shank nails,I was reminded why we can't use glues on your crown.
When they light the torches this time they'll be using magnesium ,and they feel the glue could go toxic and ruin the gold stars for good,[way over budget].
Gotta go...............
Quote from: quarktoo on January 10, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
As an act of good faith, I will tell you something personal about myself. When I got out of the military, (nuclear submarines) I took my GI bill and decided to go to school. (About 1979)
After the first class, I approached the physics professor and showed him a magnet motor idea I had. The principle was sound and in retrospect it was similar to Howard Johnsons flux gate. Without investigation, he dismissed my idea by telling me "It violates second law. You can't get something from nothing."
You sound like a reasonable person, but you omitted where in your history you decided that the world is run by a jewish cabal. For someone who sounds like they demand facts and empirical evidence prior to forming beliefs, you sure put alot of stock in what some anti-zionist website says.
(I realize this is off topic, but you are coming in here presenting yourself as an expert, but I think you are a cook, just like Lawrence.)
I will refer you to this post of yours:
Quote from: quarktoo on October 17, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
They don't have the capacity to care. Love is a higher brain function.
The part of the brain that is targeted is the hipocampus which allows you to recognize truth, see options and possibility, puzzle solve. It is like the CPU of your brain.
Ever wonder why kids that have autism will sit in front of a computer screen and wave their hand back and forth? They are strobeing the light between their fingers. Me thinks they are trying to send light impulses through their eyes to send electrical impulses into their brain since autism is the brains inability to communicate with the various parts of the brain.
They frame he argument that autism is caused by mercury and the zombies take the bait. Mercury is only a small part of it. The formaldehyde in a vaccine destroys the brain cells when the brain is small.
Will they stop doing this to your children? No, not unless you kill them. It will take parents that stop HELPING them do this to your children.
That being said, you still have to eat, drink and breath so you can't stop it all the way.
step 1 is recognize that a zionist organized crime syndicate is robbing and murdering you little by little. EAT ORGANIC and get NO VACCINES.
Step 2 is to kill your television.
Step 3 is to take back the media while defending net neutrality with your life.
Step 4 is to stop using their euphemisms. Boldly use words language that exposes who they are. While zionism is not Judaism, it is mostly composed of ashkenazi jews.
In order to have Rothschild's banking system in your country, you have to give him control of the news media. Reuiters for example is owned by Rothchild. You must remove the word Jew from the mass media. You can use "Jewish" but only if it is positive or they will scream racist and bigot.
Not all Jews are racist or zionist and you will never defeat an enemy by becoming an enemy since they will simply covertly co-opt that. Hitler was funded by zionist Jews in the US like the Bush family. If the true history of WWI and WWII were ever made public, you would know how badly you have been deceived.
This is a pretty good read:
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/
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Ha! I caught PhysicsProfesser going back and modifying a post you lying weasel!
Check this out - after I shoved PhysicsProfessor's stupid toroid question up his arse, he then went back and modified his post he made yesterday and changed it from a toroid coil question to a solenoid coil! The last edited on the bottom of the page and all the posts I made where I quoted him prove that.
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED!
You are not who and what you claim to be and since POYNT99 claims to know who you are that only further confirms that POYNT99 is a spook.
XS-NRG you are a trolls troll! I am offering you free lifetime membership in the American Troll Society at no charge.
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/ (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/)
You spotted that lying piece of crap a long time ago. You deserve a gold star! Unfortunately rumor has it there is a waiting list and it appears that TheBuzz is first in line.
So since POYNT99 is a spook and it has been obvious for years, that proves that Lawrence is also a spook. They are trying to find ways to identify you - Stiffler did this too. They are trying to lure you away from Hartman's website over to overunityresearch.com
Here are the goods.
First the original post made by PhysicsProfesser followed by a quote from my posts (there are many) on the following pages.
Go back a page or two in this forum to read it. TheObserver is also Lawrence.
Prepare to be rode like a rented mule all the way back to overunityresearch.com
I love the smell of napalm on the web!
Thank you, Observer, for calling attention to the Joule Ringer -- a VERY interesting device.
Quarktoo, late last night, I thought to refine my question from toroid to long solenoid -- WITHOUT reading your response, if indeed you had responded by then. The physics becomes clearer, I think, when one considers a long solenoid in this instance. I reserve the right to refine my posts as I wish.
BTW, the question stands -- you have not answered.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 11, 2011, 11:21:12 AM
Thank you, Observer, for calling attention to the Joule Ringer -- a VERY interesting device.
Quarktoo, late last night, I thought to refine my question from toroid to long solenoid -- WITHOUT reading your response, if indeed you had responded by then. The physics becomes clearer, I think, when one considers a long solenoid in this instance. I reserve the right to refine my posts as I wish.
BTW, the question stands -- you have not answered.
That is another lie. You are not who you claim to be. It was hours after I replied that you went back and made that change.
Anyone that would take Lawrence or PhysicsProfessor (SAME PERSON) seriously is a fool. XS-NRG seems to think he knows who this really is. PM me if you have some info.
I would not give you or Lawrence (SAME PERSON) the time of day.
This is a good case for the FBI's online fraud division. If they get enough complaints they will prosecute. You can fill out a complaint online.
POYNT99's or his dead website over at overunityresearch.com now has ZERO credibility and only a fool would post there.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on January 11, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
How are you contributing to the persuit of OU?
I am one of the few that is using it.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 11, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
XS-NRG you are a trolls troll! I am offering you free lifetime membership in the American Troll Society at no charge.
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/ (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/)
You spotted that lying piece of crap a long time ago. You deserve a gold star!
Thanks mate where can i get it? ;D
Quark,
You said,
QuoteThe Observer is also Lawrence.
Sorry, buddy.. Born in the USA
If you look back you will see that I have not always agreed with LT.
When I don't agree... I talk about science as opposed to the ever so popular name-calling strategy.
Like I said in my previous post.
LT and his Joule Thief is not a threat to you... the XXXXXX XXXXXX (Top Secret) is the real threat to your bosses.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Quote from: The Observer on January 11, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
Quark,
You said,
Sorry, buddy.. Born in the USA
If you look back you will see that I have not always agreed with LT.
When I don't agree... I talk about science as opposed to the ever so popular name-calling strategy.
Like I said in my previous post.
LT is not a threat to you... the to your bosses.
Best Regards,
The Observer
Bring in THE JOULE RINGERRRR!!!
Quote from: The Observer on January 11, 2011, 05:43:01 AM
Dear Paid Posters,
Why you guys are SO concerned with an old man walking around with a Joule Thief is beyond me.
Are you aware of the Joule Ringer that is breaking records for CFL light time off of a 1.5 V battery?
I guarantee you this is where the real progress is being made.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0)
Why? Because it utilizes two USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)
1. Magnetic Permeability... the phenom that a ferro material is made up of many magnetic dipoles (powered by free electron spin.)
We utilize this energy every day.. yet do not recognize it as such.
ie. A speaker with exchangeable magnets is going to produce a louder sound with a more powerful magnet.
Formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil.
B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l --> B = μr * (μ0 * N * i) / l
- μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
- μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
- (99.9 % of all substances have a μr ~ 1, Ferros have a μr ~ 500 to 1 Million)
* A Ferromagnetic Substance can Amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times... no extra energy needed !
2. Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.
ie.Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one by means of feedback and the following.
The extra energy comes from the Molecular Motion in the forks, that was random (before Resonance) which becomes ordered.
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Using a Joule Thief to Resonate a High Voltage Transformer is the next step in the evolution of the Joule Thief Circuit.
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GodSpeed,
The Observer
One small problem, the Joule Ringer has an air core and no ferro materials.
Bill
XS-NRG I salute you Sir!
You have been made The American Troll Society (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/) troll of the month and awarded 400 points for your effort. If you ever need some help, I've got your back covered.
Ref: http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/
Quote from: quarktoo on January 11, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
...
Anyone that would take Lawrence or PhysicsProfessor (SAME PERSON) seriously is a fool. XS-NRG seems to think he knows who this really is. PM me if you have some info.
I would not give you or Lawrence (SAME PERSON) the time of day.
...
This comedy channel is getting more comical by the day.
Well, here's my observation:
Lawrence, Observer and the PhysicsProfessor are not the same person.
Lawrence is like what Quaktoo said: a donkey trying to run with horses.
The Observer is just a simple one-track minded revolving record (LP).
The Physics Professor maybe who he claims to be, a retired Physics professor just passing time and trying to see if he can help but with his limited knowledge about electronics and magnetics, he thinks Lawrence struck gold! Riding a donkey to the races is a telling story by itself!
Let's hope more comedy shows up before we see real O.U! I'm in for the ride.
cheers
chrisC
Pirate,
You said,
QuoteOne small problem, the Joule Ringer has an air core and no ferro materials.
Are you aware that the
Fuji Transformer vital to the operation of this circuit is a High Voltage Ferromagnetic Transformer?Just stick a magnet next to the core... if it sticks, it is Ferromagnetic. ;o)
Best Regards,
The Observer
Edit.. I just noticed someone using the Slayer Air coils For the whole setup.
However, all other set-ups use a Ferro Transformer, as far as I know.
note- I claim Ferros and/or Resonance as Unrecognized Sources of Energy. ( 2 separate Phenomena)
I believe Resonance is still being used
Quote from: quarktoo on January 11, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
XS-NRG I salute you Sir!
You have been made The American Troll Society (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/) troll of the month and awarded 400 points for your effort. If you ever need some help, I've got your back covered.
Ref: http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/
WOW! you make me feel ecstatic man!!
Thanks for the award. ;D
@ Chris
I think you are right and I was wrong about Lawrence and the proff being the same person.
@Professor
Could you please give your opinion on the way lawrence measures peak to peak voltage to derive his OU claim, and what methdolgy would you deploy?
Could you please explain ehy it is achiving a COP (up to 200???) why it is not able to be closed loop?
I want my Troll certificate..
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 11, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
@ Chris
I think you are right and I was wrong about Lawrence and the proff being the same person.
....
I want my Troll certificate..
Mark
@MarkD
Well, just from the writing style it is certain they are not the same person. Lawrence is repetitive without substance whilst the Prof. seemed 'educated' in the way he structures his replies but that still does not excuse himself from riding on a donkey to the races!
As to a getting a Troll certificate, you need to be 'obnoxious' as X! (Just kidding X even though sometimes I see why people have a problem. No offense. haha. It's just comedy).
Cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 11, 2011, 02:48:31 PM
XS-NRG,
TheBuzz has descended from the heavens unto the hell froze over to personally congratulate you on your recent troll of the month award.
My angels shalt protect you on your journey into the twilight of universal trolling. The sound of bodies hitting the ground will ring like bells of joy in thine ears after a fresh Buzzkilla. TheBuzz shall rejoice with you when you roll in the bloody entrails of thine enemies for all thine enemies bases are belong to TheBuzz.
My covenant filled with the smell of napalm shall pour out like a lake of fire and destruction and suffering upon those that inflict wounds to your perfect being of pure light. TheBuzz shall poop your enemies out of thine black hole and then TheBuzz shall eat that poop so that TheBuzz may poop them out some more.
TheBuzz will now ascend unto heavens where it is warm and TheBuzz may bask in light that emanates from thy six golden overunity.com stars, one of which was stolen like the hood ornament off a Mercedes 650 parked in Harlem by a squeeler hog named Ramset. The 3 times 4 golden stars TheBuzz brought with thee to use with a space heater, thy shalt leaved behind to keep thy post warm in this hell froze over. Do not let Ramset pilfer them.
So shall it be said, so shall it be done.
Thank you sir !
Quote from: markdansie on January 11, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
@ Chris
I think you are right and I was wrong about Lawrence and the proff being the same person.
@Professor
Could you please give your opinion on the way lawrence measures peak to peak voltage to derive his OU claim, and what methdolgy would you deploy?
Could you please explain ehy it is achiving a COP (up to 200???) why it is not able to be closed loop?
I want my Troll certificate..
Mark
Yeah... Right... About that ATS license and certificate... Saint Buzz just PM'd me and was not reeeeeeal happy about that last post. He said "Thy hath fallen out of thine favor for pandering to the prince of propaganda."
I's get out of suck up mode in a hurry since that clown did change his post. Sure he was fresh meat and we all thirst for warm blood of mortal fools it but... Ya know, tomorrow is a new day.
It is pretty easy to be several people with slight changes in how one writes. Happens all the time here and as long as it is just for fun and not to deceive or exploit a person, no harm, no foul.
You gotta earn that troll certificate and the quickest way to do that is by scoring some no mercy points.
Here are some good trolling tips:
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/helpful-hints.html
The Professional code is packed with years of time tested experience. TheBuzz was banned here 8 times while developing these techniques (he holds the record) - These rules are written in TheBuzz's blood!
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/professional-code-of-conduct.html
This post was brought to you by The American Troll Society - We not only encourage trolling, we teach it!
The “pump and dump†troll:
In a pump and dump troll, the basic method is for a person or multiple personalities to tout
the theory and details of an OU method. This false enthusiasm works to lure uninformed
individual posters into discussing the OU merits. Their posts then push up the popularity of
the topic in question. As the interest begins to rise, the original troller(s) turn on anyone
that fell for it and give out troll certificates (worthless) to their partners. Once all the hype
drives the interest high enough and the theories disappear, the topic crashes and good posters
despair and/or leave the OU site.
Exactly why this is done is unfathomable.
tak
Tak
While I fully agree with you,That exact senario, whether by intent or not, plays out in almost every OU topic to date.
HHMMmmm..,,,,,,,,,Maybe we have a worse infestation than previously thought??
HOWEVER!! !! !!
QuarkTwo has signed in a blood oath, gave his "Word"
That if the professor agrees to a few simple instructions
He will rock our worlds with a heretofore unknown concept for OU.
The mass's are collecting their old torches ,cleaning up
some of the old pitch forks and sickles.
and getting ready for a good old fashion " toast up"
I tried to tell them to wait for the Magnesium torches[for the really pesky jobs]
but they won't be in till Friday [storm in the northeast].
We'll have to see how things go??
Chet
PS
Must see stuff!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg270588#new
Quote from: ramset on January 11, 2011, 06:02:35 PM
HHMMmmm..,,,,,,,,,Maybe we have a worse infestation than previously thought??
yes, by intent or not it's worse. quark2 needs to either grow a thicker skin or adjust
his sensitivity to people saying things other than what he expects/wants from them.
flashes of brilliance seen through the smoke of doom. go figure.
tak
In the world of media.... there is a saying "bad press is still good press" ....... meaning... your all encouraging the clown and his delusions even if your comments are negative/troll like...
hmmm....... like this post.. lol... yes, contradictorily .... i am aware of this.
Any ways.. i guess this is a damn funny thread to read every day.
Quote from: Poit on January 11, 2011, 07:33:50 PM
hmmm....... like this post..
I like it too Clow...i mean Poit :D
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 11, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
I like it too Clow...i mean Poit :D
Wheres my troll certificate damn it!! I feel so left out :(
Quote from: Poit on January 11, 2011, 07:56:49 PM
Wheres my troll certificate damn it!! I feel so left out :(
OK, all those who want to get their TROL certificate must join the club first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbt-sx5MDc&feature=related
Oscilloscopes as we use them are often thought of as qualitative instruments; we look at waveshapes and make rough estimates of frequencies just by eyeballing, most of the time.
But let's not forget that the oscilloscope is actually a QUANTITATIVE instrument, and when used correctly can give a lot more information than is commonly realized.
Even a relatively low-bandwidth analog scope can be used to good advantage if it's understood. Of course, a 2-channel instrument is necessary, but most scopes that actually function have at least 2 channels.
(There's a difference between a dual-channel scope and a true dual-beam scope, but we won't go into that just yet.)
So, even if your scope can't do the fancy math functions like trace multiplication and integration over time, you can still get the same data from it, with a little paperwork and creativity.
Say you want to measure the energy output over a period of time from a common Joule Thief, but all you've got is a 2-channel analog scope, some ordinary 100 MHz 10x attenuated probes, some graph paper, and a pencil.
First you need to calibrate the scope and the probes. The scope will have a "calibration" thingie on it somewhere, that puts out a square wave at a specific frequency and voltage. You hook your probe up to that, and then tweak the "calibration" fine tuning knobs on the vertical amp (voltage) and the timebase until the trace you see is right on the correct graticle lines for the calibration voltage/frequency. Then you tweak the little variable cap in the probe itself until you get the best-looking square wave from the calibrator. Now you are ready to take some measurements !!
Now you want to monitor voltage across the load on one channel and the voltage DROP across a low-value current-viewing resistor on the other channel. Use a value like 0.1 Ohm, and be careful about your ground (common) probe hookups. By Ohm's law, you can then read Amps instead of Volts on the scope's vertical scale for that channel. Check your math ! so you know that a graticle division corresponds to so many milliamps, etc. I usually put masking tape labels for the settings I'm using on the scope so I don't get (too) confused.
Now display at least 2 complete waveforms, but not more than 4. Set your zero references carefully to some convenient mark on the graticle (ground the probe tip or select "ground" on the coupling switch, this will give you that channel's "zero" voltage line).
Over two complete cycles, at each minor horizontal graticle division, write down the voltage and current values from the two scope traces. You will wind up with 2 columns, voltage and current at 40 or 50 time clicks. Now multiply the values at each time click to give "instantaneous power", sort of. Graph this result carefully on decent graph paper that has small squares that you can count.
You have drawn, of course, an approximation of an instantaneous power curve, and now..... by adding up the graph paper squares enclosed by the power curve .... you can approximate the energy integral over the time represented by your two cycles. The vertical axis represents power in Watts of course and the horizontal is time, so each minor square's volume represents some portion of a Joule, depending on the scaling. The area under the power curve represents energy.
If you have access to a precision laboratory balance you can cut out the instantaneous power curve and weigh it.
Depending on how careful you are, you can get very close to the true value of the energy integral using this method.
Close enough to tell the difference between a COP < 1 and a COP = 280, certainly. Or even COP >17. (LOL)
Of course, if you like, you can all omit measurements altogether and just continue trolling along, I don't mind.
Quote from: tak22 on January 11, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
yes, by intent or not it's worse. quark2 needs to either grow a thicker skin or adjust
his sensitivity to people saying things other than what he expects/wants from them.
flashes of brilliance seen through the smoke of doom. go figure.
tak
Since you seem to have difficulty following along, I'll try and compile a little snapshot of what happened.
1. I asked him to explain the amplification of the speed of voltage. When presented with this super basic question about electricity, physics professors run for the ban button because it crushes their magical understanding of what produces electricity and opens the floodgates for ideas on how to produce OU devices.
2. Rather than answer the question, he attempted to pander to me and then argue the question was opaque - I.e., If you can't defend your case, attack the law.
3. Then he attempted to use higher order thinking by asking a complex question that very few people could understand in an attempt to destroy my credibility.
I not only answered his question but handed him his ass on a silver platter by telling him how to wind the coil (Rodin coil) and explained why it works which seems to puzzle scientists. I even went so far as to explain how the arc of the covenant works at a scientific level which nobody in the history of Earth has ever done. I and many Jewish Rabbi's would consider that knowledge sacred. My writing is like the layers of the onion, you need to look beyond the first layer if you can.
4. When he saw that happen, he went back and changed the question from a toroid question to cylinder magnet question. At this point, my psychic ability (TheBuzz notified me from the heavens) told me to go back and check his post for changes. I spotted the change 3 pages back. The Gods told me to wait for him to post his deception and then upload the screen shots I had taken and take him down hard. I instead posted some screen shots and washed my hands of him right then and there.
It was after my post that he went back and changed that. Then he most likely went into Profile -> look and layout and changed his time offset to claim his edits occurred prior to my post.
I was not born yesterday tak22. I have an IQ just slightly above average. I also have TheBuzz talking to me from the heavens. Even without without the benefit of a gold star that Ramset apparently stole a year ago, TheBuzz (SaintBuzz to his friends) was able to see that evil without out even descending and doing the deed himself. (hates frozen hells) TheBuzz is a protector and that is what the troll society offers its members.
I don't think you understand what you are dealing with here tak22. TheBuzz can create and destroy with a thought and has proven that many times before credible witnesses. He can see through time and space into the future.
If you are smart, you will be careful how you treat his messiah. Not a threat, just good advice my friend. My skin is plenty thick evidenced from the fact that I laughed harder today than I have in 10 years or more, have been banned from OU 8 times in 10 years and still come back for a laugh now and then.
I expose posers that are trying to profit from those that have lesser minds, That is something I do FOR the web site - a hobby.
If you think this or any other interweb site means something to me, you don't get something. This is entertainment for someone who is obviously incredibly bored.
Speaking of bored, now I am bored with you and this thread.
Unsubscribed
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 11, 2011, 08:38:24 PM
Oscilloscopes as we use them are often thought of as qualitative instruments; we look at waveshapes and make rough estimates of frequencies just by eyeballing, most of the time.
But let's not forget that the oscilloscope is actually a QUANTITATIVE instrument, and when used correctly can give a lot more information than is commonly realized.
Even a relatively low-bandwidth analog scope can be used to good advantage if it's understood. Of course, a 2-channel instrument is necessary, but most scopes that actually function have at least 2 channels.
(There's a difference between a dual-channel scope and a true dual-beam scope, but we won't go into that just yet.)
So, even if your scope can't do the fancy math functions like trace multiplication and integration over time, you can still get the same data from it, with a little paperwork and creativity.
Say you want to measure the energy output over a period of time from a common Joule Thief, but all you've got is a 2-channel analog scope, some ordinary 100 MHz 10x attenuated probes, some graph paper, and a pencil.
First you need to calibrate the scope and the probes. The scope will have a "calibration" thingie on it somewhere, that puts out a square wave at a specific frequency and voltage. You hook your probe up to that, and then tweak the "calibration" fine tuning knobs on the vertical amp (voltage) and the timebase until the trace you see is right on the correct graticle lines for the calibration voltage/frequency. Then you tweak the little variable cap in the probe itself until you get the best-looking square wave from the calibrator. Now you are ready to take some measurements !!
Now you want to monitor voltage across the load on one channel and the voltage DROP across a low-value current-viewing resistor on the other channel. Use a value like 0.1 Ohm, and be careful about your ground (common) probe hookups. By Ohm's law, you can then read Amps instead of Volts on the scope's vertical scale for that channel. Check your math ! so you know that a graticle division corresponds to so many milliamps, etc. I usually put masking tape labels for the settings I'm using on the scope so I don't get (too) confused.
Now display at least 2 complete waveforms, but not more than 4. Set your zero references carefully to some convenient mark on the graticle (ground the probe tip or select "ground" on the coupling switch, this will give you that channel's "zero" voltage line).
Over two complete cycles, at each minor horizontal graticle division, write down the voltage and current values from the two scope traces. You will wind up with 2 columns, voltage and current at 40 or 50 time clicks. Now multiply the values at each time click to give "instantaneous power", sort of. Graph this result carefully on decent graph paper that has small squares that you can count.
You have drawn, of course, an approximation of an instantaneous power curve, and now..... by adding up the graph paper squares enclosed by the power curve .... you can approximate the energy integral over the time represented by your two cycles. The vertical axis represents power in Watts of course and the horizontal is time, so each minor square's volume represents some portion of a Joule, depending on the scaling. The area under the power curve represents energy.
If you have access to a precision laboratory balance you can cut out the instantaneous power curve and weigh it.
Depending on how careful you are, you can get very close to the true value of the energy integral using this method.
Close enough to tell the difference between a COP < 1 and a COP = 280, certainly. Or even COP >17. (LOL)
Of course, if you like, you can all omit measurements altogether and just continue trolling along, I don't mind.
Thanks for this, TinselKoala. I'm using a Tektronix Digital Storage Oscilloscope right now -- and have already calibrated four 10X probes to have them ready... I like your trick for integrating... weighing the cut-out graph.
You wrote: "So, even if your scope can't do the fancy math functions like trace multiplication and integration over time, ..."
Can you give me models and makers of such "fancy math" scopes?
What Tek scope do you have? I think all the Tek DSOs can do at least the trace multiplication, and most can do at least one live integral; the higher end ones can do 4 live integrals at once.
If you are interested I show how to use a LeCroy DSO that has one channel inoperative to do an energy integral using one stored trace and one live measurement trace here, with the Ainslie circuit as the test system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeIVSiEZDnc
Here is what I was referring to:
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/277176203
Same basic thing of using a magnet to accelerate a "field".
Instead of wrapping the coils in neo magnets, magnet is in line with the core. Problem is the magnet will demagnetize that way. When outside the coil it should last longer.
The insulation breaks down because the accelerated electrons burn through the insulation. For anyone that ever doubted my claim that electricity is mass to atomic energy conversion there is a tiny bit experimental proof right there. E=MC2.
Of course by ignoring how voltage is accelerated to the speed of light, PhysicsProfessors spend their lives helping to suppress OU energy devices. You don't have to be the sharpest tack in the box to be a physics professor, you need to be the most programmed. You make a better saleman that way.
There are none more enslaved then those that do not even know they are.
EDIT
Also my claim that physics professor misspelled "toroid" was incorrect. I used a spell check in MS Word which was set up for UK I suspect. - Apologies for that only.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 11, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
Here is what I was referring to:
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/277176203
Enough said. I live a few tens of miles from Magnacoaster. There aren't many like him out there, that's for sure.
Fat People are Harder to Kidnap !!
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 11, 2011, 10:15:18 PM
Enough said. I live a few tens of miles from Magnacoaster. There aren't many like him out there, that's for sure.
Fat People are Harder to Kidnap !!
Here in the US, he would be diagnosed with anorexia and placed on an emergency high fat diet to try and save his miserable life. It's all relative.
Good luck with your demagnetizer. If you still have your Stiffler loopstick laying around why don't you wrap 500 turns of #34 on each end. Feed that to a couple of radio shack audio isolation transformers to step down and recharge the battery. Pulse at 10.5mhz or 21mhz - That should take you OU and most likely give you a self runner. Don't be afraid to wrap OVER the primary and secondary since you get the same acceleration effect as the magnecoaster. ~2 hours and problem solved.
I can think of a 100 ways to build OU devices that do not destroy magnets. This one is a non-starter. Keeps the kids busy and does not threaten big oil - priceless... ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 11, 2011, 09:07:49 PM
What Tek scope do you have? I think all the Tek DSOs can do at least the trace multiplication, and most can do at least one live integral; the higher end ones can do 4 live integrals at once.
Right now I have a Tektronix 2230 DSO. If you can explain how to do trace multiplication, that would be very helpful -- and if it can do a live integral that would awesome.
Apology accepted Quark2.
I have provided an answer to my question which was also posed at overunityresearch.com (someone had the gumption to reply to my question over there):
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.msg9035#msg9035
Here is part of my reply:
QuoteThat is, a changing magnetic field is generating an electric field (around the coil is the direction of E in this case) -- even though at point A there is NO magnetic field detected!
What I am trying to emphasize is that a changing magnetic field will generate an electric field even in a region of space in which the magnetic field is itself ZERO.
The physics texts that I've seen emphasize that a changing B field produces an electric field... but I would like to see the text that admits that his can happen even in a region of space in which the magnetic field is itself ZERO.
[/b]
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 12, 2011, 01:34:32 AM
Right now I have a Tektronix 2230 DSO. If you can explain how to do trace multiplication, that would be very helpful -- and if it can do a live integral that would awesome.
Apology accepted Quark2.
I have provided an answer to my question which was also posed at overunityresearch.com (someone had the gumption to reply to my question over there):
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.msg9035#msg9035
Here is part of my reply:[/b]
That is, a changing magnetic field is generating an electric field (around the coil is the direction of E in this case) -- even though at point A there is NO magnetic field detected!
What I am trying to emphasize is that a changing magnetic field will generate an electric field even in a region of space in which the magnetic field is itself ZERO.
The physics texts that I've seen emphasize that a changing B field produces an electric field... but I would like to see the text that admits that his can happen even in a region of space in which the magnetic field is itself ZERO.
The answer to that puzzle is simple and the basis for two of the best free energy devices ever built.
My experiment would have taught you something about this as well but added a lesson in electron sea, perpetual motion and how to trap a vacuum space in a toroid without voltage or current using nothing but a toroid and copper wire. So simple and irrefutable yet so dynamic. That is elegance to an experimentalist. (Marinov)
Quarks have been split in two and are exchanging between the poles of the magnetic field. That space surrounding the B field moved since there is no empty space. When you expand or contract the energy in the toroid, you move everything around it due to the smaller than an electron particle size present. AB effect and cavitation.
Those quarks divided by two or more are now the size that can interact with and shield the aether. Otherwise, the quarkettes (what I call them) or pieces of quarks or aether (near neutral charge) slip between the electrons and atoms like rain through a net.
When Einstein dismissed professor Miller's (Ashland Oregon) aether drift experiments to protect his own flawed relativity theory, he screwed up a whole bunch of stuff including your book brains.
I'll try again...
While the B field flux lines (quarks split in smaller parts) are not going out to your hall sensor, the space around the coil and sensor are moving. That space is striking the hall IC generates voltage. I don't see the problem here. Since electricity is mass to atomic energy conversion, you have the illusion that the field is static but aether is moving.
What would happen if instead of a spinning light spectrometer you used a Hall IC and replicated Millers experiments? That would be the first experiment I would design to once again prove the presence of Aether particles.
You must think that the space between the flux lines and hall IC is empty space? TheBuzz wrote about this in the post through .99 which was actually to you. There is no empty space - that would be impossible.
Anyway...
Apparently I thought better or noticed my error and deleted that part of my post shortly after writing it. A mistake is failure to correct an error thus I have not made one.
Occam's law guides my thinking. I still get by with a 20mhz analog scope I bought 20 years ago. I have no experience that would be helpful for your measurement.
Being resourceful, I would instead build a self running generator and measure the excess energy beyond that which is required to sustain itself. That is really all that matters in the end and if the claims are true, that should be possible. Get that far and you will have no problem finding someone with the right gear to measure it. When it comes to overunity, that separates truth from bullshit rather decisively. Other than that, no clue.
As previously stated - I am unable to view OUR due to an insecure pirahna-maximus named POYNT99 banning me. How they burn people at the stake is all that has changed in 500 years, for those subversive of dogma.
When Grumpy and .99 could not free their thought from dogma or use their minds, or allow me to use mine, they banned me to make sure their common thought agreement bullshit is not tarnished by reality.
That's OK, they have nothing to offer and this is evidenced by the fact neither has ever built anything to my recollection in all these years. They are in the intel gathering business and it is a business that has an obvious putrid appearance.
The other day TheBuzz wrote a post to .99 but it was actually written to physicsProfessor. TheBuzz felt that it if he wrote it directly to you, you might become defensive and feel baited. The post was designed to open up your mind so that a new idea could be formed through the destruction of the old. Since .99 is an intellectual write off, TheBuzz used him the way any good master troll would.
You may want to go back and read it again. The answer was given there before we started as well. Ironically, by answering my question, you would have answered your own.
There is much more but it was all written for you to try and open your mind.
******
"The infant is born with a
brain filled to capacity with only the love and fear of what we needed then. Struggling to be more than what we were when we were born, and even before we were born.
We cried out for our mother’s warmth and milk and playful smile to fight the boredom of waiting to become more than what we were. That was love.
We wanted our mothers to shelter us from the wind and rain and protect us from insects and reptiles that crawl about wanting what out mothers gave us. That was fear.
As we grew we wanted more. The more we received, the more we desired. Our growth was squared by our desires and divided by our fears. That was, is, and will always be the evolution of life.
To create those new thoughts from the thoughts that exist through exclusion within that filled space of our brain, something must be consumed or moved or converted. Something must fall out of that space only to be lost and forgotten. The new seed of thoughts of love and fear grow upon the rotted corpses of the old thoughts of love and fear. We exist where we are including and excluding spaces, struggling to create potential to grow into."
******
I knew you would use the term "field" which describes nothing but a magical idea. Sadly, you still do and cannot seem to even see that there must be something deeper.
What is a field physically made of? You cannot have action at a distance without a physical connection or exchange of energy (MASS/MATTER).We are taught that a brain is filled with empty neurons when we are born but I disagree. In order to learn something new, something old must be lost. Some people are a little too in love with their own thoughts to learn something new but their parents had to pay so much money for those beliefs. That is not knowledge.
Once I saw the dogma of academics, I never gave the distasteful doctrine of mind control another thought. It only reinforces the value of that moment a physics professor cited 2nd law to me 35 years ago. If you don't understand that particles smaller than electrons exist even though your experiment proves it, I can't fix that.
You are programmed in school that atoms and particles come in nice neat little packages of uniform size and exist unto themselves. That is not the case, all matter in the universe is connected and I spent years proving it. The arc of the covenant research proved that theory. There is no such thing as a random number or.. God does not play dice with the universe - same thing.
Everything you need to know, I posted before we started. It would have been baiting you had I not done that. I kept my agreement, did you? No. Your fear was greater than your love.
All emotions are based in love or fear. Pick one that serves you. I didn't spend two days writing and a few days getting pummeled by mouth breathers at OUR out of fear.
Here is what I will apologize for:
I quickly skimmed through your toroid quiz and assumed you were trying to qualify me by determining if I understood some of the more advanced coil designs such as he rodin coil and the AB effect associated.
I didn't realize your question was about basic magnetics. Why don't you have a look at Marinov's perpetual mobile. He shows you how to put that space around the magnet in perpetual motion. That should really puzzle you. Marinov's whole experiment was about why is that field present there when it should not be. BTW - His experiment was peer review and I have uploaded it here and elsewhere.
The experiments I would have given you would have taken you there. I truly don't think you are able to understand what lies outside a book. Science is not monkey see, monkey do Professor - that is academia.
Quarktoo - 8th grade Emeritus
Ed. Leedscalnin 6th grade Emeritus
Ed also figured out the concept of the perpetual field and how to spin that space outside the toroid in perpetual motion at coral castle.
oops
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 11, 2011, 08:38:24 PM
Now you want to monitor voltage across the load on one channel and the voltage DROP across a low-value current-viewing resistor on the other channel. Use a value like 0.1 Ohm, and be careful about your ground (common) probe hookups.
You probably know more about this than me but I always use 4 to 8 resistors in parallel, measure across 1 of them and then multiply times the number of resistors in a pulsed circuit.
I don't think 1 resistor is going to do a precise enough job of phasing the current to voltage to tell the difference between COP <1 and COP >280. ;D
I see the "Troll Emeritus Maximus" aka "Quarktoo" is still at it, blabbering about mass to energy conversion, all-the-while never explaining it because he doesn't really understand it and therefore can never actual use it.
Where is the mass to energy conversion in the AVEC, TPU, A-Tree, and Kapanadze Device?
While you prepare your well-thought, but hopelessly BS'd to death answer, I'll get out the ol' "silver platter"...
Edit: added A-Tree
AAHHHhhhhh.................
Let the games begin
;D
Quote from: quarktoo on January 12, 2011, 06:38:36 AM
You probably know more about this than me but I always use 4 to 8 resistors in parallel, measure across 1 of them and then multiply times the number of resistors in a pulsed circuit.
I don't think 1 resistor is going to do a precise enough job of phasing the current to voltage to tell the difference between COP <1 and COP >280. ;D
If you can explain to me how to hook 8 resistors up in parallel and then measure across _just one of them_, with a 20 MHz scope, I'd appreciate it.
You have in the past 2 pages made claims about making a self-running device, OU and whatnot. I say you cannot do it. So prove me wrong by showing something, like measurements, on some device that you have actually made using your theories, er, conjectures.
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 12, 2011, 01:34:32 AM
Right now I have a Tektronix 2230 DSO. If you can explain how to do trace multiplication, that would be very helpful -- and if it can do a live integral that would awesome.
Hah... proved me wrong about early Tek DSOs... see, it's easy... when I'm actually wrong, that is !
The Tek 2230 can't do trace math except the usual addition and chopping. It is "barely" a DSO at all. But if it has the appropriate GPIB or serial interface option, you can run Tektronix's "WaveStar" software and do the math on stored traces in there. But it sounds like you are going to have to do it using the manual method I outlined above. It's really not too hard. At least the 2230 has cursors, so you can get precise values to work with !!
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 12, 2011, 08:12:15 PM
Hah... proved me wrong about early Tek DSOs... see, it's easy... when I'm actually wrong, that is !
The Tek 2230 can't do trace math except the usual addition and chopping. It is "barely" a DSO at all. But if it has the appropriate GPIB or serial interface option, you can run Tektronix's "WaveStar" software and do the math on stored traces in there. But it sounds like you are going to have to do it using the manual method I outlined above. It's really not too hard. At least the 2230 has cursors, so you can get precise values to work with !!
I also have available a
Tektronix 3032 (300 MHz bandwidth)... How about that?
Quote from: PhysicsProfessor on January 12, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
I also have available a Tektronix 3032 (300 MHz bandwidth)... How about that?
Good! now you need to learn how to use it just like your buddy Lawrence the Clown.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 12, 2011, 06:42:18 PM
Where is the mass to energy conversion in the AVEC, TPU, A-Tree, and Kapanadze Device?
This is off topic Clown.
We are discussing the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets here.
And besides, i can guarantee that you wont need any "silver platter" the only thing you need is your mouth/keybord.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 12, 2011, 08:06:19 PM
If you can explain to me how to hook 8 resistors up in parallel and then measure across _just one of them_, with a 20 MHz scope, I'd appreciate it.
You have in the past 2 pages made claims about making a self-running device, OU and whatnot. I say you cannot do it. So prove me wrong by showing something, like measurements, on some device that you have actually made using your theories, er, conjectures.
Game onAre you serious? It is how people have been doing true RMS current readings since it has been around unless I really missed something a long time ago. I don't think so. Doesn't your fancy scope measure current?
Look at the schematic - Half the
current is free to flow through the other resistor which you are not measuring across - Hence the need to multiply times the number of resistors. Read your own post.
We are talking about a pulsed circuit and phase relationship between voltage and
current. The higher the number of resistors the more phased the pulse being measured since the phase relationship error is divided amongst the multiple resistors.
The measurement is multiplied times the number of resistors and the net result is a division of the error which is how the accuracy is obtained.
As for demonstrating OU... Son I was posting here when this place started and working on OU 35 years ago. I tell people don't publicly demonstrate, share information until millions of people know the truth. Sigma16 told me on a forum I set up to sort out the spooks and players a few years ago the same thing. Sigma16 being a spook, has good advice in that regard at least.
You see it only takes one white crow to prove all crows are not black. Academia states all crows are black. Until there are millions of white crows in cages ready to be released when someone makes the claim all crows are black, the media will always find a idiot academic tool to say all crows are black and OU is nonsense and impossible.
If you demonstrate a white crow, you get some real nasty attention. That came from a relative that is an international patent attorney that works with cutting edge stuff that fall under the corrupt national security laws. Also from Grumpy on multiple times. Many OU inventors, etc.
Then some company manufactures what you invented.
Example - Nobody noticed that piezo injectors are being used in Europe in diesel truck engines. So you suppose they could switch over to water fuel real quick if they had to. Meyer and Puharich. Hidden in plain sight from what it looks like to me.
IF I built a white crow, I would educate you as to how to build your own white crows but I'll keep mine in a cage IF I even possess one, which I don't and would not admit it if I did. I was not born yesterday.
Since Sigma16 has a silver platter he won't be needing, why don't you have a seat on it. :)
Quote from: sigma16 on January 12, 2011, 06:42:18 PM
I see the "Troll Emeritus Maximus" aka "Quarktoo" is still at it, blabbering about mass to energy conversion, all-the-while never explaining it because he doesn't really understand it and therefore can never actual use it.
Where is the mass to energy conversion in the AVEC, TPU, A-Tree, and Kapanadze Device?
While you prepare your well-thought, but hopelessly BS'd to death answer, I'll get out the ol' "silver platter"...
Edit: added A-Tree
Sigma16,
I pointed out where the acceleration was taking place on one of your devices using the silver wire a long time ago. The problem with air core is, they leave a RF signature that is easy to spot. Accident?
On a personal note â€" I didn’t understand what you meant by twisting fields on the Hubbard coil. Tesla and anyone that knows something about the subject refer to them as “rotating magnetic fields†since the series parallel inductors can only come up one at a time.
Perhaps you can better explain measuring the drop across a resistor to TinsleKoala. In exchange I will speak to TheBuzz about getting you off the DAMMED list - that is not good.
Lastly, the mass is not actually fully converted to energy and I know that. I use that with E=MC2 so as to not confuse and draw fire from smarty pants academics. E-MC2 just takes you down to something between a quark and matter but the quark is self healing in that it borrows from the river of aether particles to reform. One could liken it to the sun-ozone-cycle and the aether as a spare parts warehouse.
The Aether flows about as fast as you can run (15 KMH) in the direction of the constellation Leo from what I recall from the work of Miller.
This guy nails it. Must see video for all you college grads that believe in fields and particles that come in nice neat little packages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE
@quark2: You have been building overunity devices for thirtyfive years....and you are still trolling here. I laugh at you, Pops....
Your diagram shows that you are measuring across your total resistance, which is given by the well-known formula for resistors in parallel.
No oscilloscope that I know of measures current, no matter how fancy they are. Every oscilloscope in the world measures voltage vs. time, and there are various ways of generating a voltage signal that correlates with a current being measured -- monitoring the voltage drop across a current-viewing resistor USING OHM's LAW and CONVENTIONAL "electronics 101" -- is one such way, and using a non-contact combined Hall-effect and transformer type probe is another.
Your miserable excuses for not demonstrating what you claim are the usual laughable and non-credible excuses. Go ahead and PROVE ME WRONG...if you dare.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 13, 2011, 07:43:47 AM
@quark2: You have been building overunity devices for thirtyfive years....and you are still trolling here. I laugh at you, Pops....
Your diagram shows that you are measuring across your total resistance, which is given by the well-known formula for resistors in parallel.
No oscilloscope that I know of measures current, no matter how fancy they are. Every oscilloscope in the world measures voltage vs. time, and there are various ways of generating a voltage signal that correlates with a current being measured -- monitoring the voltage drop across a current-viewing resistor USING OHM's LAW and CONVENTIONAL "electronics 101" -- is one such way, and using a non-contact combined Hall-effect and transformer type probe is another.
Your miserable excuses for not demonstrating what you claim are the usual laughable and non-credible excuses. Go ahead and PROVE ME WRONG...if you dare.
I don't have one of those fancy scopes and I measure the current with a meter. That being said, I have seen plenty of digital scope shots posted that had ma displayed on the the shot.
I didn't claim to do it using a scope and I assumed you had a scope that read current or had a probe. I use a meter and using the parallel resistors for RMS is pretty damn well known.
But hey, if your fancy scope didn't come with a current probe, I'll attach a pdf for one.
Here is another method people claim to use:
Choose a resistor with well known electrical resistance R. let the current I flow through the resistor. Connect the ends of the resistor to the oscilloscope. You can follow on the screen the time variation of the intensity of the current. Use the relation
U=RI
and knowing the amplification of the oscilloscope you can find I
I=U/R
Hope that helps you out son.
PS - I didn't claim to be "building overunity devices for 35 years". If you are going to quote, get it right. Otherwise, you look like a troll or a dumb ass. I said I have been researching it for 35 years. I still am.
I
Quote from: ramset on January 13, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
I
Finally.. Ramset makes a contribution to the free energy movement.
WTF does that mean anyway?
It means that I want to stay out of this exchange
Sorry![deleted a post there]
Chet
Yikes !!
I caught Snookems [a beast that shall remain without
Species ]
Polishing one of your Stars in a very nasty way!!
I;m afraid he humped[I mean buffed] the 30 ml deluxe plating right off on a few spots.
Called the Pizza kid[I meen plater] up for a redue .
Good news to the minnions! The Magnesium torches will be in this afternoon.
Sharpen those pitch forks and sickles.
Chet
PS
Gotta go, 3 ft of snow and the payloaders laying on a flat tire !
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 12, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
This is off topic Clown.
We are discussing the Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets here.
And besides, i can guarantee that you wont need any "silver platter" the only thing you need is your mouth/keybord.
24 pages of BS post from Clown's like you. No one word of useful info. Not even good BS.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 10:41:14 AM
24 pages of BS post from Clwon's like you. No one word of useful info. Not even good BS.
Clwon's?
haha you haven't spoken one usefull word in the 7 years you have been around.
That's a little over 24 pages you Clown. ;D
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 10:41:14 AM
24 pages of BS post from Clwon's like you. No one word of useful info. Not even good BS.
You can't even spell "clown" Sigma16.
That being said, posting a photo of your wife to smite XS-NRG is so below the belt, as trolls, we salute you sir!
Rule #1 - Use People!
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 01:25:57 AM
Sigma16,
I pointed out where the acceleration was taking place on one of your devices using the silver wire a long time ago. The problem with air core is, they leave a RF signature that is easy to spot. Accident?
On a personal note â€" I didn’t understand what you meant by twisting fields on the Hubbard coil. Tesla and anyone that knows something about the subject refer to them as “rotating magnetic fields†since the series parallel inductors can only come up one at a time.
Perhaps you can better explain measuring the drop across a resistor to TinsleKoala. In exchange I will speak to TheBuzz about getting you off the DAMMED list - that is not good.
Lastly, the mass is not actually fully converted to energy and I know that. I use that with E=MC2 so as to not confuse and draw fire from smarty pants academics. E-MC2 just takes you down to something between a quark and matter but the quark is self healing in that it borrows from the river of aether particles to reform. One could liken it to the sun-ozone-cycle and the aether as a spare parts warehouse.
The Aether flows about as fast as you can run (15 KMH) in the direction of the constellation Leo from what I recall from the work of Miller.
Marinov and a couple of others got results with rotating magnetic fields, but you have to rotate them so fast (around 30 MHz) that it become problematic. Also, two of three people that I know who got this to work had some sort of pulsar beam thing come out of the top of the coil assembly. Burns a nice hole in your ceiling.
You can create regions of space that are not reallt fields or even waves. These can produce effects that appear as gravitational attraction/repulsion, or electrical and magnetic effects. The mass is used but not consumed, more like you change the energy of the mass and it causes a change in energy around it.
We're damned, but not Trolls.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 13, 2011, 10:49:21 AM
Clwon's?
haha you haven't spoken one usefull word in the 7 years you have been around.
That's a little over 24 pages you Clown. ;D
ASSCLOWN
I looked over your BS posts and see you have absolutely no idea what RE is or even how to produce it. So, just shut the F up.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 11:06:21 AM
ASSCLOWN
I looked over your BS posts and see you have absolutely no idea what RE is or even how to produce it. So, just shut the F up.
You don't know either HAHAHAHAHAHA
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No seriously i have already produced more RE then you will produce in your entire life Clown.
All you can do is TALK about it.
If you were to stop talking this world would be a better place
Clown
WTF is "RE"?
EDIT
Stealing TheBuzz's lightning is just wrong. You girls need to show a little respect.
Sacrilegious bastards!
no it's not because i changed the lightning color...
although the pink doesn't suit me as good as koala ;D
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 13, 2011, 11:14:42 AM
You don't know either HAHAHAHAHAHA
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No seriously i have already produced more RE then you will produce in your entire life Clown.
All you can do is TALK about it.
If you were to stop talking this world would be a better place
Clown
Is XS-NRG former username "Marco", AKA "Turbo", AKA "TPU FAKER"?
If your stupid ass would listen to my "talk" you would have your OU.
If you are Marco, then:
Oh, that's right you already have what you call OU, dispite my proclamation that you would never figure it out. What do you really have? Hmm? In 20 years you won't have figured it out. How is that for a proclamation? There is no other source of energy and no OU. All of that is BS. There is a better way to induce a current, make objects move, and light your way.
If you are not Marco, then:
You would not know what RE was if it bit you in the ass. So you produce a little charge - whoop de doo. That is only one aspect of the effect and certainly not the most interesting one.
EDIT: forgot your poser poster
RE=Reactive energy??
WTF is RE
Radiant Energy
Putz
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 12:20:15 PM
RE=Reactive energy??
WTF is RE
RE is Tesla's "Radiant electricity" which refers to an electrical effect produced by his impulse circuits. Most of what you will find on this subject is total BS. Like Budini saying he charges caps and batteries with RE from his coil contraptions and that the RE stored in the cap is "additional energy" and demonstrates this with a beautiful arc discharge. Tesla suposedly was able to charge caps and batteries, as well as other effects, with the RE effect (I refuse to call it a "field" or "radiation"). It takes years just to rule out all of the BS.
Many think they know what it is, but a few tests and what they thought they knew goes down the crapper. It will not always impart a charging effect, so don't assume it is "electrical".
Producing the effect is pretty easy and I know Marco knows how to do this, as do many other people.
On a more serious note. it is counterproductive to fight and argue about energy. Humanity has done that for millenniums and look where we are. The cheap shots and graphics are humerous.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 12:04:27 PM
Is XS-NRG former username "Marco", AKA "Turbo", AKA "TPU FAKER"?
If your stupid ass would listen to my "talk" you would have your OU.
If you are Marco, then:
Oh, that's right you already have what you call OU, dispite my proclamation that you would never figure it out. What do you really have? Hmm? In 20 years you won't have figured it out. How is that for a proclamation? There is no other source of energy and no OU. All of that is BS. There is a better way to induce a current, make objects move, and light your way.
If you are not Marco, then:
You would not know what RE was if it bit you in the ass. So you produce a little charge - whoop de doo. That is only one aspect of the effect and certainly not the most interesting one.
EDIT: forgot your poser poster
I'm not impressed..
Look at yourself..
Your nothing but an old fool
Talk Talk Talk that's all you can do trying to look smart.
Your not only a Clown, Your a useless Clown HAHAHA ;D ;D
And this:
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 12:04:27 PM
If your stupid ass would listen to my "talk" you would have your OU.
This is BULLSHIT in it's most PURE form.
Go to overunityresearch.com for more serious discussions and experiments.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.0
This thread has been taken over by ........ >:( >:( >:(
bye now ;D
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 13, 2011, 03:17:45 PM
I'm not impressed..
Look at yourself..
Your nothing but an old fool
Talk Talk Talk that's all you can do trying to look smart.
Your not only a Clown, Your a useless Clown HAHAHA ;D ;D
And this:
This is BULLSHIT in it's most PURE form.
What do you post? BS and pretty graphics. That's it. Then you see fit to comdemn anyone not posted a full dissertaion on OU.
How many times have you claimed you have OU, you have working devices and all that BS? You have never posted a single shread of evidence, not even a clue or explanation. You got nothing and if you got got the PAGD to work - so what - Correa's patented it and it is a POS approach anyway.
Oh and how about the three coils BS? Hmm. If you were at the bench as much as you pretend to be, you would know that moving magnetic fields is not the best approach. Furthemore you would know that you need "something else" along with the magnetic field. Your fast coils will produce it, but I expect you will miss it entirely, and doubt you know how to detect it in a fast coil setup.
C-YA
Bla Bla Bla.
Go away Fool.
Go where you belong.
I'm glad old tseung is out of sight too you two make a great talking couple HAHA. ;D
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 07:59:58 AM
I don't have one of those fancy scopes and I measure the current with a meter. That being said, I have seen plenty of digital scope shots posted that had ma displayed on the the shot.
Sure. But the scope is measuring voltage, no matter what the display says. If you can find an oscilloscope that measures current directly, please give a link to it.
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I didn't claim to do it using a scope and I assumed you had a scope that read current or had a probe. I use a meter and using the parallel resistors for RMS is pretty damn well known.
Monitoring the voltage drop across a resistor is "damn well known" just as you say. But the way you have described it in your work is wrong. When you measure across resistors in parallel you are measuring across ALL of them. The total resistance is given by 1/Rtotal = 1/Rone + 1/Rtwo + .... and in the case where all resistors are equal the total resistance is R/n where n is the number of resistors. Thus, if you are using the VALUE of the single resistor that you think you are monitoring in the stack of 4, you will get 1/4 the true current value -- because you are USING THE WRONG VALUE for your calculation in the first place. You are completely screwed up in your understanding of current monitoring using resistors.
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.parallel.html
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But hey, if your fancy scope didn't come with a current probe, I'll attach a pdf for one.
I have something like 12 oscilloscopes within thirty paces of me right now. One is a LeCroy 9370. Another is a LeCroy 104Xs and I have the AP015 non-contact current probe to go with it. I also have other DSOs and many analog scopes available. Do not presume to teach me about oscilloscopes and their proper usage, especially after this current-viewing resistor nonsense.
Quote
Here is another method people claim to use:
Choose a resistor with well known electrical resistance R. let the current I flow through the resistor. Connect the ends of the resistor to the oscilloscope. You can follow on the screen the time variation of the intensity of the current. Use the relation
U=RI
and knowing the amplification of the oscilloscope you can find I
I=U/R
Hope that helps you out son.
Pops....old man, if that's what you are.... you think you know Ohm's Law but you don't realize that resistors in parallel make it impossible to monitor just one....I laugh in my soup.
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PS - I didn't claim to be "building overunity devices for 35 years". If you are going to quote, get it right. Otherwise, you look like a troll or a dumb ass. I said I have been researching it for 35 years. I still am.
Well, did you or did you not presume to instruct us how to build self-running devices and overunity devices? Did you just discover them yesterday, Pops?
Prove me Wrong...put up or shut up.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 13, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
Bla Bla Bla.
Go away Fool.
Go where you belong.
I'm glad old tseung is out of sight too you two make a great talking couple HAHA. ;D
Just like "Cool Hand Luke", you keep coming back with nuthin'...
Tseung is over at the moderated site with his blocking oscillator ring thing.
Xs NRG
You sound like a miserable human being!
Go join The other forum and torture your chinese friend.
Chet
I'm not going anywhere near those Clowns ;D
@Tinsel
I think he ment 8 resistors in series.
His drawing indded is wrong.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 13, 2011, 03:26:47 PM
Go to overunityresearch.com for more serious discussions and experiments.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.0
This thread has been taken over by ........ >:( >:( >:(
OK girls and boys. Please can we have our comedy channel back?
Let the real clown come back to entertain us!
cheers
chrisC
Well Chris
They don't take any wooden nickles at Poynt's place!
Unless the professor or itseung comes up with some real numbers;[which I'm not saying is impossible].
The haunting may return!! :o
I believe Saint Buzz is only good for one Exorcism a week
He sounds tired [I hope He's OK [for real]]
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 13, 2011, 06:25:22 PM
Well Chris
They don't take any wooden nickles at Poynt's place!
Unless the professor or itseung comes up with some real numbers;[which I'm not saying is impossible].
The haunting may return!! :o
Chet
Chet:
This comedy channel is better and healthier for me. I've so much fun this past 3 years - truly 'Humor is the best medicine' is indeed true.
You're right. Unless the other 'learned people' at Poyn't's place comes up with irrefutable evidence of O.U, this is still the preferred place. Where else can you find such diversified views and opinions?
My own prediction is that the learned people at the other channel will have to ask old Tseung to ride his donkey back here! Can one deluded man who claims major O.U (with the help of one University student in Hong Kong) hoodwink an entire community or real scientists all over the world with such a simple JT clone? All Canadian said it well. I'm looking forward to my comedy show to start again here once the red faced learned people wash their hands over Tseung's delusions.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 13, 2011, 05:07:10 PM
I'm not going anywhere near those Clowns ;D
@Tinsel
I think he ment 8 resistors in series.
His drawing indded is wrong.
If you look again at his post it's clear that he means in parallel just like his drawing. And if all the resistors have the same value, his mistaken math will result in the correct current value, because he's reading the voltage drop across the whole stack of course, but he's using the value of a single resistor to compute the current, then multiplying the current by the number of resistors in the stack. This works for the special case when all the parallel resistors have exactly the same value, but in the general case of resistors in parallel quark2 has to understand Ohm's law correctly to get a correct answer for the current, because he is monitoring the voltage across the entire parallel stack.
I am astounded that a person who claims to have been researching OU devices for 35 years apparently doesn't understand, or perhaps even OWN, an oscilloscope.
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 13, 2011, 03:26:47 PM
Go to overunityresearch.com for more serious discussions and experiments.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=538.0
This thread has been taken over by ........ >:( >:( >:(
And that thread has nearly been taken over by....Little Miss Mosfet.
Professor, if you are still reading here, beware.
You are getting swamped by misinformation from someone who, until she saw my videos, did not even understand the word "integration" to mean anything other than the lack of racial segregation. She has no math beyond simple arithmetic and often gets that wrong. The entire story of her little project is worth finding out about, if you don't already know it. She has been banned or placed on RO status from every forum she's posted in except OUR, and from the looks of things she's about to get "disciplined" there too.
My advice is to pay attention to .99 and MileHigh, they know whereof they speak. Congratulations on your oscilloscope; you should be able to get satisfactory data from that one easily enough.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 13, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
And that thread has nearly been taken over by....Little Miss Mosfet.
Professor, if you are still reading here, beware.
You are getting swamped by misinformation from someone who, until she saw my videos, did not even understand the word "integration" to mean anything other than the lack of racial segregation. ...
RMAO! Good one TK. See, I said this channel is excellent for comedy. No offense Rose.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 13, 2011, 04:36:31 PM
Sure. But the scope is measuring voltage, no matter what the display says. If you can find an oscilloscope that measures current directly, please give a link to it. Monitoring the voltage drop across a resistor is "damn well known" just as you say. But the way you have described it in your work is wrong. When you measure across resistors in parallel you are measuring across ALL of them. The total resistance is given by 1/Rtotal = 1/Rone + 1/Rtwo + .... and in the case where all resistors are equal the total resistance is R/n where n is the number of resistors. Thus, if you are using the VALUE of the single resistor that you think you are monitoring in the stack of 4, you will get 1/4 the true current value -- because you are USING THE WRONG VALUE for your calculation in the first place. You are completely screwed up in your understanding of current monitoring using resistors.
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.parallel.htmlI have something like 12 oscilloscopes within thirty paces of me right now. One is a LeCroy 9370. Another is a LeCroy 104Xs and I have the AP015 non-contact current probe to go with it. I also have other DSOs and many analog scopes available. Do not presume to teach me about oscilloscopes and their proper usage, especially after this current-viewing resistor nonsense.Pops....old man, if that's what you are.... you think you know Ohm's Law but you don't realize that resistors in parallel make it impossible to monitor just one....I laugh in my soup.
Well, did you or did you not presume to instruct us how to build self-running devices and overunity devices? Did you just discover them yesterday, Pops?
Prove me Wrong...put up or shut up.
For the last time.
I claimed you measure the current drop, not the voltage drop. Look that the schematic you keep referring to
"AMP METER/SCOPE"
Here since you can't read I say it again:
b]"AMP METER/SCOPE"
[/b]
Need a current probe that converts that current into voltage and measure it on your scope:
http://www.shopwiki.com/current+probe+oscilloscope
When you measure current drop across 1 resistor, you get a phased reading since resistive elements phase current and voltage. The more resistors you have IN PARALLEL, the better phased it gets.
No wonder you Canadians never contributed anything to humanity besides hockey pucks, square head screws and easy chicks. Learn to read.
If you connect your current probe to your scope, measure the current drop across one of the resistors, you will have the current measurement for a true RMS reading. That is all I wrote son.
You need to show a little respect for your elders. I was fixing display writer boards in the 80's and averaging around $5000 an hour since we and IBM were the only ones smart enough to fix their boards at the time.
My favorite was a capacitor replacement that cost us a penny, took less than 60 seconds to replace and 3 minutes to test. $750 - half the cost of a new board from IBM.
Those were the good old days.
Quote from: ramset on January 13, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
Radiant Energy
Putz
Putz?
I think you have to be a putz to use such a term myself.
All energy is radiant although Grumpy stated "radiant electricity"you tochus leker.
@ XS-NRG
Hey buddy - Thanks for the troll assist but I can fry my own Canadian bacon and your comments are only clouding the debate.
I wrote what I meant and my argument stands. Once TinselKoala's frozen brain learns to read, he will make that apology or be written off as just another idiot lacking integrity. I would prefer to not have to write him off since he is smart albeit the reading and comprehension problem.
You measure the current drop across 1 of the resistors in parallel as shown and multiply times the number of resistors as stated. That gives you a true RMS current reading.
When it comes to measuring power, current is the one that matters most. I can make a million volts of useless static and can't do much with it without a vacuum tube containing a gas to convert it into current.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 13, 2011, 07:29:10 PM
I am astounded that a person who claims to have been researching OU devices for 35 years apparently doesn't understand, or perhaps even OWN, an oscilloscope.
i am astounded you think not owning an oscilloscope precludes anyone... did faraday have an oscilloscope? did edison? did tesla? did ohm? did volta? these gentleman i have just listed have contributed FAR more to humanity WITHOUT oscilloscopes than you have with your lecroy or any other scope... tra la
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 13, 2011, 10:09:36 PM
i am astounded you think not owning an oscilloscope precludes anyone... did faraday have an oscilloscope? did edison? did tesla? did ohm? did volta? these gentleman i have just listed have contributed FAR more to humanity WITHOUT oscilloscopes than you have with your lecroy or any other scope... ::)
He suffers from Stiffler syndrome. Remember how that putz claimed "He wouldn't even talk to someone that didn't have at least 50K with of test equipment"?
Short mans complex only instead of the monster truck, he works for someone with a "fancy scope with 3 of 4 working channels." - not impressed either.
Do you realize what is occurring here? We have run out of fools to feast upon and now we have turned on each other. That is troll cannibalism. We need an idiot and fast!
My work is done here., Lawrence and the uppity professor have been crushed by our collective mental weight. I am being called upon by TheBuzz to ascend into the heavens so if I disappear, don't worry, I'll be back in 2000 years or sooner if the situation warrants.
BTW - I own an old 20mhz BK scope, know how to use it and it works just fine. Buying a digital scope and a couple of 75mhz function generators for a project I am working on soon.
C-ya
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 10:22:56 PM
He suffers from Stiffler syndrome. Remember how that putz claimed "He wouldn't even talk to someone that didn't have at least 50K with of test equipment"?
Short mans complex only instead of the monster truck, he works for someone with a "fancy scope with 3 of 4 working channels." - not impressed either.
Do you realize what is occurring here? We have run out of fools to feast upon and now we have turned on each other. That is troll cannibalism. We need an idiot and fast!
My work is done here., Lawrence and the uppity professor have been crushed by our collective mental weight. I am being called upon by TheBuzz to ascend into the heavens so if I disappear, don't worry, I'll be back in 2000 years or sooner if the situation warrants.
C-ya
hey noob, i wasn't talking to you... ::)
Wilby:
Still got this dog?
Quote from: sigma16 on January 13, 2011, 11:30:27 PM
Wilby:
Still got this dog?
ahh grumpy... still hard at it with logical fallacies i see. some things never change. what does your irrelevant interjection have to do with the discussion at hand?
"You measure the current drop across 1 of the resistors in parallel as shown and multiply times the number of resistors as stated. That gives you a true RMS current reading. When it comes to measuring power, current is the one that matters most. I can make a million volts of useless static and can't do much with it without a vacuum tube containing a gas to convert it into current."
Ok, I'm not going into the debate about your measurement techniques... Under some conditions, the multi-parallel resistors are valid (considering the dissipation and temperature characteristics of the resistor, for instance).
But I can ass-ure you, that a single (carefully selected) resistor is the simplest and the most reliable way to go, for an adequate I to V measurements of the complex signals, in combination with the RIGHT measurement procedures (multipoint/4 wire, etc... methods). Just look up the "shunt resistor tech", and everything related.
For your "Voltage speed" and similar stuff, you should definitely contact Mr. Omnibot...
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
For the last time.
I claimed you measure the current drop, not the voltage drop. Look that the schematic you keep referring to "AMP METER/SCOPE"
Here since you can't read I say it again:
b]"AMP METER/SCOPE"
[/b]
Measuring a CURRENT DROP ???? l laugh in your face.
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Need a current probe that converts that current into voltage and measure it on your scope:
http://www.shopwiki.com/current+probe+oscilloscope
Still haven't learned to read, I see. I am amply supplied with current probes and sophisticated oscilloscopes and I know how to use them.
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When you measure current drop across 1 resistor, you get a phased reading since resistive elements phase current and voltage. The more resistors you have IN PARALLEL, the better phased it gets.
Please explain the phase relationship between current and voltage in a purely resistive element. Please include a reference, so we all know that you aren't just making shit up.
Because there are several people reading this thread who seem to believe that current and voltage in a resistive element is always exactly in phase.
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No wonder you Canadians never contributed anything to humanity besides hockey pucks, square head screws and easy chicks. Learn to read.
What makes you think I am Canadian? And your statement here shows classic bigotry and chauvinism. Besides, I can read quite well, clearly better than you can.
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If you connect your current probe to your scope, measure the current drop across one of the resistors, you will have the current measurement for a true RMS reading. That is all I wrote son.
How far down your throat can you stick that foot? Current drop across one of the resistors in a parallel stack. I am laughing in my coffee at you, POPS. (By the way, I was born in 1952.)
QuoteYou need to show a little respect for your elders. I was fixing display writer boards in the 80's and averaging around $5000 an hour since we and IBM were the only ones smart enough to fix their boards at the time.
I don't need to show respect for anyone with your bigotry and predjudice and obvious lack of electronic knowledge. You want respect from me, earn it, by SHOWING SOMETHING THAT WORKS according to your "theories".
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My favorite was a capacitor replacement that cost us a penny, took less than 60 seconds to replace and 3 minutes to test. $750 - half the cost of a new board from IBM.
Those were the good old days.
Thank you for revealing your "honest" business practices.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 13, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
@ XS-NRG
Hey buddy - Thanks for the troll assist but I can fry my own Canadian bacon and your comments are only clouding the debate.
I wrote what I meant and my argument stands. Once TinselKoala's frozen brain learns to read, he will make that apology or be written off as just another idiot lacking integrity. I would prefer to not have to write him off since he is smart albeit the reading and comprehension problem.
You measure the current drop across 1 of the resistors in parallel as shown and multiply times the number of resistors as stated. That gives you a true RMS current reading.
HAH hah hah. NO it doesn't. If you look at the signal on an oscilloscope--- you do have one don't you?-- you will see that you get the entire current waveform, in the form of the VOLTAGE DIFFERENCE between one end and the other end of the resistor STACK. You may then read the RMS current in several ways. Your "RMS" meter is likely optimized to show the RMS current of a 60 Hz sine wave signal, and if you have it hooked up ACROSS a resistor you are measuring a VOLTAGE DROP, no matter what the dial on the meter might say. To measure CURRENT directly, the meter must be in strict SERIES with the current you are measuring. And if your signal isn't sinusoidal your "true RMS" meter is going to be lying to you.
What will you do if your resistors do not have EXACTLY the same value? Your method will not work then at all, because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND how to calculate the resistance of a set of parallel resistors, and you don't seem to understand that your resistance (current, or voltage drop) reading will be across ALL the resistors in your stack using your hookup diagram.
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When it comes to measuring power, current is the one that matters most. I can make a million volts of useless static and can't do much with it without a vacuum tube containing a gas to convert it into current.
Idiot. Power is Current x Voltage. You cannot say that one is more important than the other. Just because YOU don't know what to do with static electricity high voltages does NOT mean that other, more creative and more intelligent persons can't use it effectively. Take a look at my static electricity videos (too many to link here) in which I show static generators making hundreds of thousands of volts, charging up capacitors, powering motors of various kinds, lighting up lamps, and so on. NOT A VACUUM TUBE in the mix anywhere, unless you count the little xenon flash tube that I fire with... yes.... a high-current discharge, from a capacitor bank charged with static electricity.
Here's just one little demo of the power of static electricity and the ease of use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpemKuf6X_c&NR=1
Wait a minute.... I just figured out that this quark2 fellow might be using an AMPMETER, hooked up ACROSS -- in parallel with -- a stack of resistors, and thinks he is measuring current through the resistors.
No wonder he's measuring free energy all the time.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 13, 2011, 10:09:36 PM
i am astounded you think not owning an oscilloscope precludes anyone... did faraday have an oscilloscope? did edison? did tesla? did ohm? did volta? these gentleman i have just listed have contributed FAR more to humanity WITHOUT oscilloscopes than you have with your lecroy or any other scope... tra la
Still off target, I see, Wilby. You see nothing objectionable about someone who claims to be able to make self-runners and OU devices at will, but won't because of the usual reasons, and who thinks he can measure the "current drop" across a single resistor in a parallel stack with a "meter/scope" and automagically get the "RMS current" from any arbitrary waveform, and who thinks that the more parallel resistors in a stack the more "phase something" you get..... but you think it's objectionable that I think it's odd that a worker in the 21st century doesn't have (or know how to use) a fundamental tool......
Pretty sad. I expected better of you. What could Faraday have contributed, if he DID have an oscilloscope, that is what you should be asking, not making specious comparisons between me (who has never even claimed to discover anything new) and people like Faraday.
Tra la.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 14, 2011, 07:57:16 AM
Still off target, I see, Wilby. You see nothing objectionable about someone who claims to be able to make self-runners and OU devices at will, but won't because of the usual reasons, and who thinks he can measure the "current drop" across a single resistor in a parallel stack with a "meter/scope" and automagically get the "RMS current" from any arbitrary waveform, and who thinks that the more parallel resistors in a stack the more "phase something" you get..... but you think it's objectionable that I think it's odd that a worker in the 21st century doesn't have (or know how to use) a fundamental tool......
Pretty sad. I expected better of you. What could Faraday have contributed, if he DID have an oscilloscope, that is what you should be asking, not making specious comparisons between me (who has never even claimed to discover anything new) and people like Faraday.
Tra la.
still engaging in logical fallacies (red herring) as a rebuttal i see. pretty sad. it is what i expected of you though... tra la.
@ tinsel toes koala
piss off punk
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Dear stupid,
Set up your amp meter and connect it across a resistor...
Jesus, Mary and Joseph...
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I think most people here have a multimeter and know how to use it.
I can ass-ure you, most of the people here don't know how to use the DMM properly (please, feel free to research for yourself).
Feeling better now?
See post above - huge brain lock on my part - I was wrong and TinsleKoala was right. Sorry is a punk and I am sorry TinselKoala pissed me off.
I actually just went out and hooked a dc motor to a extech power supply with a resistor in series and when the motor sped up and I realized the amp meter just shorted the across the resistor I went... oh.. shit!
It happens... :) Pops is getting old.
@ tinsel toes koala
piss off punk
Spinner
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph
--------------------
A religious man?,Who would have thunk it?
And here I thought you were satans evil twin!
Chet
PS
Q2,Good of you to "man up"!
TK is after all "the "Supreme being" of measurement.
@TK 1952?? You are very well preserved [your telescope vid] must be the good life!
Well, Quark2, it's good of you to admit that you are wrong. Now, let's see where else you are wrong. I inferred from your earlier posts on this topic that you did not have an oscilloscope, because I thought SURELY anyone who has a scope SURELY would know 1) that it measures VOLTAGE vs. TIME and VOLTAGE ONLY, and 2) how to calculate the values of parallel resistors, and 3) how to use the VOLTAGE DROP across a resistive element to determine current via Ohm's Law. Since you were wrong about each of those things, yes, I INFERRED that you don't own a scope. Sorry (Canadian Style).
Now.... I have cut-and-pasted quotes from you in my above posts. Please indicate just where I have misquoted you, and I will apologise and correct the misquote.
And, while you are at it, please hit the topics that we haven't yet covered: the statement about the phase relationship between voltage and current in a purely resistive element, for example. What about that?
Now, nobody was calling names or making personal insults until YOU started it, quark2. And yet.... you were entirely wrong about what you were claiming. That is what pisses me off more than anything else. Rather than stick to the technical discussion, providing citations and proofs for what you claim, as I do, you start getting snotty and insulting. Which of course liberates me to do the same.
I took the time today to make a video illustrating the computation of parallel resistors and the method of obtaining current from monitoring the voltage drop across them, confirmed with a non-contact current probe and an expensive oscilloscope. Two simultaneous methods in agreement: the non-contact probe and the voltage drop give nearly identical readings (on a 60 Hz sine wave input signal, lighting up an LED for load), and a third method, a series connection through a Simpson analog milliampmeter, not so much.
I'll post it to my YT account in a couple of hours or so, after I get home from the lab. But since Q2 has admitted some of his errors it's not so important, I guess.
(Incidentally, Professor, Lawrence, and Rosemary, the LeCroy AP015 current probe I am using is rated from DC to 50 MHz; that should be a wide enough bandwidth to test a 20 kHz blocking oscillator, I should think....)
Note my scope on the right hand side. Are you a short fat guy?
Piss off punk
QuoteThank you for revealing your "honest" business practices.
One other thing TinselKoala, fixing boards for a flat rate and charging half of what IBM charged is hardy dishonest. Not all the boards were repairable and so it all averages out. Accusing me of being dishonest... Priceless...
EDIT
Since you are a Canadian I'll explain it to you - Getting confused about a technical issue is one thing - shit happens. Calling someone unethical or misquoting them is quite a different matter.
Now when PhysicsProfesser claims to be working with Lawrence, and Lawrence is selling something here and the PhysicsProfessor claims 22 years teaching and Professor Emeritus, then he has made a claim of credibility. Just one problem, he has not backed up that claim. Not saying he is lying, but I think when you show with Lawrence who has made claims so wild, Professor deserves what he gets unless he puts up or shuts up. Even then, it does not mean anything when it comes to the subject of OU especially when he is going to validate but does not know how to test it.
That makes people want to shake him down a bit. Get it? You are in good company with the Professor and Lawence with his magnet eraser. Now piss off (USA style)
Awww.... now you've just about hurt my feelings. And after I went through all this trouble, just for you....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTTCQyHkds
I will admit, q2, you've got more nerve than most people who make outrageous claims that are proven to be wrong. You still twitch and squirm and act self-righteous, when it's clear that, when it comes to electronics, you don't know much.
Why don't you prove ME wrong for a change. Show us one of your Free Energy or Overunity devices that you know how to make, and show us how you tested it.
#1967:
QuoteYou probably know more about this than me but I always use 4 to 8 resistors in parallel, measure across 1 of them and then multiply times the number of resistors in a pulsed circuit.
I don't think 1 resistor is going to do a precise enough job of phasing the current to voltage to tell the difference between COP <1 and COP >280. ;D
There's that "phase" thing again. Please explain for us the phase relationship between voltage and current in a resistor. Or do you mean something else by "phasing current to voltage" here?
#1975:
QuoteGame on
Are you serious? It is how people have been doing true RMS current readings since it has been around unless I really missed something a long time ago. I don't think so. Doesn't your fancy scope measure current?
Look at the schematic - Half the current is free to flow through the other resistor which you are not measuring across - Hence the need to multiply times the number of resistors. Read your own post.
We are talking about a pulsed circuit and phase relationship between voltage and current. The higher the number of resistors the more phased the pulse being measured since the phase relationship error is divided amongst the multiple resistors.
The measurement is multiplied times the number of resistors and the net result is a division of the error which is how the accuracy is obtained.
As for demonstrating OU... Son I was posting here when this place started and working on OU 35 years ago. I tell people don't publicly demonstrate, share information until millions of people know the truth. Sigma16 told me on a forum I set up to sort out the spooks and players a few years ago the same thing. Sigma16 being a spook, has good advice in that regard at least.
This certainly sounds to me like a claim of overunity devices to me, especially when combined with the "white crow in a cage" stuff that follows in that post.
Am I misquoting you again? Sorry.
And I am not Canadian, as you should be able to tell from my voice in the video, but I have one or two friends that are Canadian, and they don't like your attitude.
@ tinsel toes koala
piss off punk.
That's the way to carry on a scientific discussion, all right: drop your pants, bend over and fart. That really shows your true character, there, Q2.
#1957:
QuoteIf you are smart, you will be careful how you treat his messiah. Not a threat, just good advice my friend. My skin is plenty thick evidenced from the fact that I laughed harder today than I have in 10 years or more, have been banned from OU 8 times in 10 years and still come back for a laugh now and then.
I expose posers that are trying to profit from those that have lesser minds, That is something I do FOR the web site - a hobby.
If you think this or any other interweb site means something to me, you don't get something. This is entertainment for someone who is obviously incredibly bored.
Speaking of bored, now I am bored with you and this thread.
Unsubscribed
#1908:
QuoteI am a man of high integrity and a promise made is a debt unpaid. I will give you that simple experiment in the end. But, if you follow me through this process of deprogramming your mind, you will receive a gift far more precious and something that exceeds your wildest dreams. That is my promise.
Please continue keep your answers short since more story will reduce the efficiency of this deprogramming process. We need to get past monkey see monkey do, labels and assumptions to create that foundation of understanding for which you will be able to build knowledge upon. Once we get there, everything from time travel to gravity propulsion will be as easy to understand as bicycle repair.
While in the end I will give you that simple irrefutable experiment that can't be explained with Maxwell's equations, I will not disclose the how to of free energy to people that possess the minds of dependent children or the integrity of thieves. The power of the universe is not safe in those hands.
Are we in the end yet?
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 14, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
That's the way to carry on a scientific discussion, all right: drop your pants, bend over and fart. That really shows your true character, there, Q2.
And in your own sentence you show how you carry on a "scientific discussion".
I see you got pretty plugged in over the homo crack - no pun intended. Anyway who's have thunk you really are a fairy.. I should have known. Ha ah ha
Let give a reality check son, this is a free energy web site - scientific discussions don't happen here.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 14, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
And in your own sentence you show how you carry on a "scientific discussion".
I see you got pretty plugged in over the homo crack - no pun intended. Anyway who's have thunk you really are a fairy.. I should have known. Ha ah ha
Let give a reality check son, this is a free energy web site - scientific discussions don't happen here.
Quoted for posterity, to illustrate fully just what a bigot you are.
Kiss kiss, Q2, your homophobia is showing.
I've got an idea on transformer with magnets thing...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10223.msg270822#msg270822 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10223.msg270822#msg270822)
Last time I got banned here was a flame war over Dankie's wire. Funny thing is, it took a year for them to figure out I was right.
I waited year to point it out to them on fig 10-4 in meyer notes, (that I referred them to over and over and over) the word "composite SS wire" and what it means.
Surprised a sub-genius like TinselKoala didn't notice that...
I couldn't give a rats ass if retards like you ever invent or replicate anything, you haven't and you won't. I would rather leave people like you with nothing than "prove" I am right to a creep.
I guess it's easy for someone like you who has never replicated a single OU device to act superior when you've done nothing. One of you logical fallacies? Short?
Here's a reality check for you douche bag. A few of us got a hold of some of Meyer boards and were able to replicate his stuff. I would rather watch everybody pay for gas than help a creep like you. Be sure and "bend over and fart while you pay for it".
Unlike you, I acknowledged my error. A mistake is failure to correct that error.
You are a mistake.
Quote from: kEhYo77 on January 14, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
I've got an idea on transformer with magnets thing...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10223.msg270822#msg270822 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10223.msg270822#msg270822)
Good luck with that but Meyer's motionless gen would be much easier and cheeper - Already proven as well.
Meyer used O1 oxygen - It is a magnetic atom although I hate to disclose details here. I have a nice photo of it that very few, if anybody around here has seen.
I won't post here or any other photos we have of his stuff. To many creeps like Tinselkoala in this neck of the woods.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 14, 2011, 09:31:46 PM
Quoted for posterity, to illustrate fully just what a bigot you are.
Kiss kiss, Q2, your homophobia is showing.
I takes a bigger man to admit his mistakes and a lesser man to do character assassination.
You are the lesser man.
Quote from: ramset on January 14, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Spinner
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph
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A religious man?,Who would have thunk it?
And here I thought you were satans evil twin!
Chet
PS
Q2,Good of you to "man up"!
TK is after all "the "Supreme being" of measurement.
@TK 1952?? You are very well preserved [your telescope vid] must be the good life!
Hehe, I like your humor! Satan's evil twin? :P Just FYI, I'll forward this post of yours to my brother.... ;D
(Just kidding... Don't you worry...)
BTW, what happened with your "centered text justification"..? Plus, excessive use of font colors...?
I really have a problem with determining how pissed up you really are... And I do understand, for someone being wrong all the time, it's not easy nowadays... Tough times, indeed.
Cheers!
p.s.
I'm not religious, sorry. I use the saying improperly (I admit...).
When I said "Jesus, Mary & Joseph", I actually meant "John, Mary & OmniBot". OK now?
We started of with a clown now it appears the whole circus has joined in
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 15, 2011, 05:19:39 AM
We started of with a clown now it appears the whole circus has joined in
Mark
Yep... Including you.
And you want to be a Circus director? Congrats. & good to know...
actually I was hoping for ring master since I missed out on the troll certificate
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on January 15, 2011, 06:41:07 AM
actually I was hoping for ring master since I missed out on the troll certificate
Mark
You haven't missed out, but you got to earn it.
If you want to see a funny one - spinner is trolling omnibot in his magnet thread
and in response to OmniBus's video where you can only see his hands spinner wrote something like "Mr. hand fools the retard..." I almost pissed myself laughing over that one.
He has the ability to do in about 4 words what I call instant death.
Spinner
I never had a color thingy [wish I did]
I stopped writing in "Centerline" [It made "Wilby" itchy].
You fellows need to chill!!
Lets build a little somethin? Q2 is your concept so all conclusive that just one little something will give the whole
Thing [OU] away?
The sh%& is hitting the fan in this world ,enough with this gradeschool stuff [Me Too].
Yes or no??
Chet
HHMMmmm............
Well If we're not gonna build anything here [lawrence's thread].
We could discuss this ,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg271030#new
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Or if not I'll just grab the broom give it a quick sweep,
Spray around some bleach and Lysol .
Give it back to Lawrence and freinds?
I see the toilets are a mess [can't you slobs pick up the seats].
Who's goat is this?
Geesh ,I gotta ask for a raise!
Chet
Quote from: markdansie on January 15, 2011, 05:19:39 AM
We started of with a clown now it appears the whole circus has joined in
Mark
Hahaha. Circus indeed! We'll have to wait for the chief clown to return from the other forum when the Learned People sends him back here with a new theory.
But then pigs might fly and they can claim with irrefutable evidence that JT clone is indeed O.U. We'll see.
cheers
chrisC
Chris,
I must say...
"I miss the days when you were the only heckler".
(For the newbies, Chris was calling LT a Clown years before you showed up.)
Let's hope the rest of the ding-a-lings
find something else to do,
so we can get back to business as usual.
Cheers,
The Observer
Grumpy
Terbo
T.K.
No comments on this??
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.new
I'm not loading up the card table and chairs for a couple days over here.
Gotta come back with a stronger disinfectant [freakin Goat!!]
We leave it like this Lawrence will complain to the "Boss".
Oh yeah,
WHO Stranded the midget??[I mean "little person].
She needs a ride back to the Bronx?
You guys are Heartless!!
Chet
With all the high levels IQ , i bet we could devise a way to get to the moon and back on a spoon . But IQ is burden here it is only used to satisfy the ego of one feeling of insufficient manhood , geeks finally get revenge here because there are no to bring them back to reality (a old fashion ass wiping ), acting like this is uncivilized would not be tolerated anywhere but on the net , frankly quite childish ...
Quote from: The Observer on January 15, 2011, 03:07:24 PM
Chris,
I must say...
"I miss the days when you were the only heckler".
(For the newbies, Chris was calling LT a Clown years before you showed up.)
Let's hope the rest of the ding-a-lings
find something else to do,
so we can get back to business as usual.
Cheers,
The Observer
@Observer
LOL. We're not done yet. The comedy show must continue when Tseung returns. We'll give him another 2 weeks when the Prof. will read his DSO manuals to calculate real input/output power, hopefully with some real calorimetric evidence and without ambiguity.
If it really is O.U with COP >2 it will be reproducible and old Tseung may indeed be the hero ..... nah, hero's like that are usually found only in HongKong movies!
cheers
chrisC
I never said it couldn't work, quite the opposite. What I have said is that it will simply erase the magnet when you place it directly in line with the flux.
Fact of the matter is, you could replace the magnet with a shorted coil and at the right frequency you have the exact same patent that I posted regarding the french patent and ferro-nuclear magnetic resonance.
I also pointed out a way to build that using not so cold electricity junk box stuff from Stiffler. What more do you want?
Unlicensed trolls don't build things. I build things. Finally got my check and so that is what I am back to doing - building things.
TheBuzz won't allow me to give any results pass or fail until he gets his star back.
Correction: You claim to build things. But you don't provide any evidence.
i am in the process of building such a device.i still have the problem with supplying a HV through the coil so it would attract and repulse the magnets from and to the coil.i am looking for somebody over here in canada ontario with electromechanical skills to get this thing going.The magnets are strong neodinum magnets N52 ( really powerfull)i have to coils 10 pound each with 18 AWG magnetic wire.i would appraciate all the help i could get.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 15, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
Correction: You claim to build things. But you don't provide any evidence.
Piss off. Plenty of people have seen plenty of things I have built. The fact that since you don't know of it, therefor it doesn't exist, is a logical fallacy driven by your short mans complex.
Well there you go Tinsel, maybe you can stop basking in the glow of your LeCroy long enough to help this guy with his electromagnet.
Dude, feel free to re-size that image.
Quote from: amazingtrader on January 15, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
i am in the process of building such a device.i still have the problem with supplying a HV through the coil so it would attract and repulse the magnets from and to the coil.i am looking for somebody over here in canada ontario with electromechanical skills to get this thing going.The magnets are strong neodinum magnets N52 ( really powerfull)i have to coils 10 pound each with 18 AWG magnetic wire.i would appraciate all the help i could get.
You should start a new and different thread and I am sure plenty of people would be happy to help you out. This thread is the sacred cyber temple of the trolls. Bringing an actual device here is like handing out pork chop sandwiches at a Jewish picnic.
Amazing trader
Nice skills,and yes if you could resize the image we wouldn't have to walk three blocks to read a page [make it smaller please]
@Q2
I see The childrens red oak set you built ,Very nice work!!
I also see you like to live on the edge ,jumping out of perfectly good airplanes.
Imagine that, you like excitement,what a surprize!!
And your bench is a pigstye,But people in glass houses can't thro stones,so I won't [looks like my bench].
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 15, 2011, 09:02:26 PM
@Q2
I see The childrens red oak set you built ,Very nice work!!
I also see you like to live on the edge ,jumping out of perfectly good airplanes.
Imagine that, you like excitement,what a surprize!!
And your bench is a pigstye,But people in glass houses can't thro stones,so I won't [looks like my bench].
Chet
Quarktoo curtsies.
Kids love em! Solid red oak and should be able to hand them down for generations. There are so few real quality things left in our society. Most everything is disposable.
Get down on your knees and prey Saint Buzz does not see that pig reference.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 15, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Piss off. Plenty of people have seen plenty of things I have built. The fact that since you don't know of it, therefor it doesn't exist, is a logical fallacy driven by your short mans complex.
Well there you go Tinsel, maybe you can stop basking in the glow of your LeCroy long enough to help this guy with his electromagnet.
Dude, feel free to re-size that image.
Why anyone would accept help from you is past my understanding. You are wrong about most of the things you say here, you won't back up your claims and statements with facts or references, and you are a foulmouthed asshole to boot.
Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing something you've built that works according to your "theories".
Other than an oaken child's chair, that is.
And I'm still waiting for that explanation of the voltage-to-current phase thing involving multiple resistors.
You chose to reply to my helpful post where I explained to Professor how to use a simple oscilloscope to make difficult measurements. Your reply contained many factual errors, which you defended for several posts in a most obnoxious manner. Then when it became very obvious that you do not know what you are talking about, you actually TRIED what you claimed and found that you were in fact wrong. But you STILL continue to push other falsities and you STILL resort to personal attacks and potty-mouth insults, and you denigrate Canadians and homosexuals in your posts for no good reason at all.
Am I misquoting you again? PROVE ME WRONG, quark2, or continue to spout hot air to your sycophants.
Come on fellows, why not focus on the topic at hand?
The main point, as far as I see it, is that Lawrence is not even using a good JT circuit here. The circuit he is using is an early variation of the MK-1 circuit. Mark posted that about 2 years ago. since then, we have had the Hazen's circuit, the Jeanna circuit and Gadget's circuit, all of which are far more efficient (I did NOT say OU) than the one he is using for his tests. Mark has since created many more designs that are also far ahead of Larry's.
He should have read the rest of the JT topic especially when we started using supercaps instead of batteries. (Over 1 year ago) This changes the dynamics of the circuit and allows some really cool things to happen.
I too used to abuse Larry a few years ago because I thought then, as I do now, that his physics explanations were not correct. But, then I grew up and decided that so what if he is going down a dead end road? As long as he is not selling "Free Energy" plans or stock, then who cares? And, by God, IF he happens to be correct, which I truly doubt, I will be one of the first to congratulate him.
Not that an outsider would ever notice but there is a lot of collective intelligence here, even including some of the trolls so, my advice is to build something.
TK, this is not directed at you in any way as I have followed your many builds and testing and experiments for some time and have learned a lot from you.
So, come on fellows, let's try to do something constructive ok?
Thanks,
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 16, 2011, 04:28:53 AM
Why anyone would accept help from you is past my understanding. You are wrong about most of the things you say here, you won't back up your claims and statements with facts or references, and you are a foulmouthed asshole to boot.
Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing something you've built that works according to your "theories".
Other than an oaken child's chair, that is.
And I'm still waiting for that explanation of the voltage-to-current phase thing involving multiple resistors.
You chose to reply to my helpful post where I explained to Professor how to use a simple oscilloscope to make difficult measurements. Your reply contained many factual errors, which you defended for several posts in a most obnoxious manner. Then when it became very obvious that you do not know what you are talking about, you actually TRIED what you claimed and found that you were in fact wrong. But you STILL continue to push other falsities and you STILL resort to personal attacks and potty-mouth insults, and you denigrate Canadians and homosexuals in your posts for no good reason at all.
Am I misquoting you again? PROVE ME WRONG, quark2, or continue to spout hot air to your sycophants.
I think you have some mental health issues and your obsession with my character assassination is getting creepy. You are starting to remind me of this guy:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-victims.html
He also had an obsessive personality disorder. Maybe you could go suck the life and fun out of Bill's thread? We were having fun here until you showed up.
Given the fact that you claimed to be from Australia, New Zealand and now Canada makes me wonder who are and what exactly is your agenda? You claim to live
"several 10's of miles" from the inventor of the magnecoaster in Ontario Canada... Just one problem with that statement -
Canadians measure distance in kilometers. Koala bears are from Australia and you claim that is the reason for your user name.
Continue to make these insane posts to me and I am going to contact law enforcement.
I'm not taking sides here.... but I thought I would add my 2 cents.
I am an Australian, and yes we (like other countries i.e Canada etc) measure distance in Kilometers.. but it is fairly common to talk in miles still (Damn American influence).
Pete
Quote from: Poit on January 16, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
I'm not taking sides here.... but I thought I would add my 2 cents.
I am an Australian, and yes we (like other countries i.e Canada etc) measure distance in Kilometers.. but it is fairly common to talk in miles still (Damn American influence).
Pete
Is it also fairly common to claim you are from three different countries? I don't think the US has that kind of influence.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 16, 2011, 08:46:25 AM
Is it also fairly common to claim you are from three different countries?
Like I said, i'm not taking sides....
Pete
P.S for the record, no lol, that is not common :P .....
Quote from: quarktoo on January 16, 2011, 08:23:12 AM
I think you have some mental health issues and your obsession with my character assassination is getting creepy. You are starting to remind me of this guy:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-victims.html
He also had an obsessive personality disorder. Maybe you could go suck the life and fun out of Bill's thread? We were having fun here until you showed up.
You are doing a fine job of character assassination yourself. Character suicide more like it, because the character you are assassinating is yourself.
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Given the fact that you claimed to be from Australia, New Zealand and now Canada makes me wonder who are and what exactly is your agenda? You claim to live "several 10's of miles" from the inventor of the magnecoaster in Ontario Canada... Just one problem with that statement - Canadians measure distance in kilometers.
Please indicate just where I have ever claimed to be from Australia, New Zealand, or Canada. MagnaCoaster's claimed plant is in Kitchener Ontario, and at the moment I am posting from Mississauga, Ontario. You will find, if you come here, that many cars still have "miles" on their speedometer/odometer. And many maps do too. Since you are mathematically challenged, I did the math for you.
For your information I am an American citizen, born in Arkansas, and my legal residence is in South Texas. Oh, by the way, this is known by most of the old-time posters here.
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Koala bears are from Australia and you claim that is the reason for your user name.
Please indicate where I have ever claimed that my user name has anything to do with Australia or koala bears. My user name is an anagram of Nikola Tesla, nothing more and nothing less. Ok, I admit: it's a poke at Archer Quinn.
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Continue to make these insane posts to me and I am going to contact law enforcement.
Threaten away. You will find that "Law Enforcement" deals in fact, not innuendo and false claims. But everything you have claimed in your above post is simply wrong, and most of the rest of us know it.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2011, 05:34:39 AM
Come on fellows, why not focus on the topic at hand?
The main point, as far as I see it, is that Lawrence is not even using a good JT circuit here. The circuit he is using is an early variation of the MK-1 circuit. Mark posted that about 2 years ago. since then, we have had the Hazen's circuit, the Jeanna circuit and Gadget's circuit, all of which are far more efficient (I did NOT say OU) than the one he is using for his tests. Mark has since created many more designs that are also far ahead of Larry's.
He should have read the rest of the JT topic especially when we started using supercaps instead of batteries. (Over 1 year ago) This changes the dynamics of the circuit and allows some really cool things to happen.
I too used to abuse Larry a few years ago because I thought then, as I do now, that his physics explanations were not correct. But, then I grew up and decided that so what if he is going down a dead end road? As long as he is not selling "Free Energy" plans or stock, then who cares? And, by God, IF he happens to be correct, which I truly doubt, I will be one of the first to congratulate him.
Not that an outsider would ever notice but there is a lot of collective intelligence here, even including some of the trolls so, my advice is to build something.
TK, this is not directed at you in any way as I have followed your many builds and testing and experiments for some time and have learned a lot from you.
So, come on fellows, let's try to do something constructive ok?
Thanks,
Bill
Bill, as you will note, the thread had disintegrated into several pages of nothing, until I posted my oscilloscope comment directed at helping Professor use the equipment he had available at that time to test Lawrence's device. (I have been ignoring the outrageous claims that q2 makes before that point.) But then quark2 jumped in as you can see with the outrageously ignorant claims about current monitoring by hooking an ammeter ACROSS a resistor, scopes measuring 'current drop', the multiple resistor value error, and the phase relationship error (which he still has not addressed.) When I initially asked him to support his assertions he became abusive and belligerent, insulting to Canadians, and so on, while defending his mistake in the most obnoxious manner. OK.... I try to stick to the discussion by asking him to support his contentions and claims with evidence, he comes back with potty mouth insults. And he continues to make patently wrong and unsupportable claims. Why is this person even allowed to post, since he's belligerent, threatening, making false claims, and so on?
Preserved here for the record:
Quote[cite]quark2[/cite]
@ XS-NRG
Hey buddy - Thanks for the troll assist but I can fry my own Canadian bacon and your comments are only clouding the debate.
I wrote what I meant and my argument stands. Once TinselKoala's frozen brain learns to read, he will make that apology or be written off as just another idiot lacking integrity. I would prefer to not have to write him off since he is smart albeit the reading and comprehension problem.
You measure the current drop across 1 of the resistors in parallel as shown and multiply times the number of resistors as stated. That gives you a true RMS current reading.
When it comes to measuring power, current is the one that matters most. I can make a million volts of useless static and can't do much with it without a vacuum tube containing a gas to convert it into current.
Abusive and insulting, or not? While "standing by" his wrong argument.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2011, 05:34:39 AM
So, come on fellows, let's try to do something constructive ok?
Thanks,
Bill
YES BILL!!! You must be a SAINT too !!
Your name is Bill it must be a sign! For people who want to reduce the Bill!!
I will turn to the Almighty tonight and ask him if he wants to reduce his Bill Bill. :)
Quote from: quarktoo on January 15, 2011, 08:18:08 PM
Bringing an actual device here is like handing out pork chop sandwiches at a Jewish picnic.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 16, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
Preserved here for the record:
Abusive and insulting, or not? While "standing by" his wrong argument.
Preserved for "the record"???
You are clearly in need of some psychotherapy.
You take a post from before I realized my brain lock and apologized for my error and claim I am standing by my argument. You need to get a life and move on.
People are trying to nicely point out to you that you have gone over the edge - get a clue.
You asked me about measuring pulsed power. I said I have an old scope and a true RMS meter. I said I didn't have a clue beyond that and I tried to recant a conversation that is on this server between two people.
The female who as I recall worked for Tektronix or Intel stated she would not trust the measurement unless she had about 8 resistors in parallel to make sure the current and voltage were properly phased, measure the voltage drop (which I incorrectly quoted) and apply ohms law.
You take that little error and obsess on that to the point of creepy Then you feel that is justification for you to publicly defame me with many misquotes and by taking things out of context.
I deleted my MANY apologies and left one. The others I replaced with piss off. Take a hint.
Why don't you go ask your employer (Bombabier?) a simple question or two:
Give he or she this message - I want to thank your employee TinselKoala for making these posts and a youtube video from his place of employment. This creates a civil case in which his employer is liable should I decide to pursue that since he used computers, internet connection, test equipment etc. from that place of employment.
1. Is your liability insurance is paid up.
2. Do you have have retained counsel.
Ask your employer if you will still have a job the day after they get served. It would cost less than $1000 to identify you through a court order served in a German court. My wife works at one of the largest law forms in the US. Think about it.
Meanwhile, as stated, seek therapy. You have seriously gone over the edge.
LETS TRY THIS - SORRY (FOR THE THIRD TIME) I BRAIN LOCKED ON RECANTING A CURRENT READING METHOD I READ YEARS TWO AGO BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE!!!!
I AM AN OLDER PERSON AND MY MEMORY MUST NOT BE WHAT IT USED TO BE. I SUGGEST YOU GROW UP AND GET SOME HELP WITH YOUR PROBLEM. YOU ARE MAKING RESISTOR BANKS AND A VIDEO AND CRAZY POSTS OVER A LITTLE BRAIN LOCK FOR A DAY. DON'T YOU SEE HOW CRAZY YOU ARE ACTING???
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 16, 2011, 12:25:17 PM
YES BILL!!!
You must be a SAINT too !!
Your name is Bill it must be a sign! For people who want to reduce the Bill!!
I will turn to the Almighty tonight and ask him if he wants to reduce his Bill Bill. :)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
To quote Bruce Springsteen: "It's hard to be a saint in the city."
I suppose you have totally missed my point.
Bill
You want us to keep the clown stuff low and start building a constructive thread ?
What was your point again?
Quote from: quarktoo on January 16, 2011, 08:23:12 AM
...
Continue to make these insane posts to me and I am going to contact law enforcement.
Seriously, I really don't know what is wrong with you both. Admittedly, you are both older and respectful people in your years and I'm sort of confused why you're both belittling each other over such trivial matters?
As Bill said, why not put your resources to good use. We are here to disprove what Lawrence Tseung so openly boasts about his earth shattering discovery and to give him credit, he moved this clown stuff to the other Forum to try to prove his worth and you guys are arguing about who said what etc.
Anyway, I read the Physics Professor is thinking that Lawrence is correct about his 'innovation'. Um, except that it's a case of not understanding basic magnetics and electronics, IMO.
OK guys, no disrespect to anyone, let's move on. Thank you.
cheers
chrisC
....huh... did this thread got trashed or what... getting hard to keep up with 30-40 posts per day with nothing technical nor thread related but total trash...
Minde
no minde this is just the beginning.
Clown.
This is free energy ;D
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Seriously Powercat
I have a couple of those, and they are powering my home from 2006 to now...
I think they are the best thing that ever happend to me :)
But what is that woman doing in front of it? ???
Wow! this place is not only funny but its getting hot! ;D
Thank you all......
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 16, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
Seriously Powercat
I have a couple of those, and they are powering my home from 2006 to now...
I think they are the best thing that ever happend to me :)
But what is that woman doing in front of it? ???
The woman in front of the solar panel is "resisting" the sunlight. If you have two panels connected in parallel, AND the woman are pulsing, measuring the value of one woman will not measure both of them in defiance of electronics 101. Maybe some unbalanced Canadian make a video for us to prove it?
True RMS (Real Man Stuff) and proper phasing between the three of you will be crucial to extracting the maximum juice. You will need a sturdy probe and I don't think Tinsel is up to the task after they manufactured the de Havilland "Beaver".
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 16, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
Seriously Powercat
I have a couple of those, and they are powering my home from 2006 to now...
I think they are the best thing that ever happend to me :)
But what is that woman doing in front of it? ???
I hope you are using a MPPT controller in your system, I changed mine last year and it made a noticeable difference from the old PWM.
I enjoy pictures of woman and technology ;D @ quarktoo I don't think TK makes those kind of videos,but I live in hope.
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Cat
Somehow I believe that could go Over Unity!!
@Q2 I see Farrah is onto the Hubbard Coil,
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cc2fec8d07839a78a091a7370573f8c&topic=590.msg9331;topicseen#msg9331
Doesn't look like I can Give Larry[iTseung] his Key back yet?
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2011, 07:55:43 AM
Cat
Somehow I believe that could go Over Unity!!
@Q2 I see Farrah is onto the Hubbard Coil,
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cc2fec8d07839a78a091a7370573f8c&topic=590.msg9331;topicseen#msg9331
Doesn't look like I can Give Larry[iTseung] his Key back yet?
Chet
I can't see that forum. Thanks for the sessionID in the link. Any chance I could get the cookie that goes with it? :-)
There was technology in those photos? Oh... I thought that was a inflatable mat.
EDIT -
OK So I hacked into POYNT99's stupid blatheration site that I don't care about and read Farrah's posts.
I think claiming she is "onto the Hubbard coil" is a bit of a stretch per the norm. I have seen and read her work and was just starting to give her a good trolling when as I got banned. She wrote:
QuoteYes, I can see the possibilities, but even if this was the case, the Hubbard Coil transducer would surely have been an extremely intriguing - not to say remarkable - device.
When I get chance I'll build something along the lines of what we know of the Hubbard Coil geometry, which itself appears to fall exactly in line with the layout required for testing the Eccentric Coil Theory.
I'm hoping to have a dedicated small laboratory built in my back garden this summer, where I'll be able to set up shop and do some real experimenting. I currently have nowhere very suitable to work, just a pokey greenhouse full of garden tools and such, that becomes an ice box in winter. Going to be a busy year.
There is a million miles between that statement and a working device. I built two of the coil forms today and have been working on mass matching and setting of the geometry of the various parts. Now I see why Hubbard claimed that very few machinists could build to his specs. This is going to be a pain in the arse. Farrah has not the shop, machine equipment or skills required to machine all these.
She thinks magnetic separation of water is somehow going to produce OU hydroxel. Sometimes she just kills me with that shiny new degree in chemsitry.
PS - I left a banned username (ATS) for POYNT99 just to be funny. :-) Hey POYNT99, that stands for "American Troll Society"!
One thing that was interesting on that page (at the top) was a quote from energeticforum of the description (eccentric coil description). Now take that pump handle / lever description I gave pages back and you have the same thing.
From what I can see it is doing compression and decompression BUT with leverage and in the process you create acceleration/deceleration and that is potential. Makes a virtual stretch of the wire through magnetics perhaps?
We shall see.
Q2
A Meyer question?
I know you are the Premiere authority on all things Meyer!
Here,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.msg271209#new
Chet
Quote from: quarktoo on January 17, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
I can't see that forum. Thanks for the sessionID in the link. Any chance I could get the cookie that goes with it? :-)
use a proxy... ::) ;)
Quote from: quarktoo on January 17, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
OK So I hacked into POYNT99's stupid blatheration site that I don't care about and read Farrah's posts.
LMFAO!!! no, you didn't... ::)
@ramset
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2011, 09:49:06 AM
Q2
A Meyer question?
I know you are the Premiere authority on all things Meyer!
LMFAO!! yeah duarktoo is about as much of an authority on meyer as milehigh or farrah is on cavitation... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 17, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
use a proxy... ::) ;)
LMFAO!!! no, you didn't... ::)
@ramsetLMFAO!! yeah duarktoo is about as much of an authority on meyer as milehigh or farrah is on cavitation... ::)
Go read the post you drunken bar slut.
Second, I was the one that preached cavitation until I was banned for it. (ban #6 I think...) Comparing me to Farrah is like comparing Tesla to IST.
Third I did use a proxy dog breath. How do you think I got the quote? Which is technically not a hack so you got me there. Dammit! Someone should troll me for a few days for overstating my computer skills. Freaken SMF forum or mozilla software is not even recognizing my x-forward anymore. Can't wait till the upgrade. There is a pretty good exploit on smf where if hey ban you, naaaa.. I'm not going to disclose that. :-)
And lastly I know more about Meyer than anybody that has been willing to talk about it and can back up everything I write. But would I do that for a prince like you? Yeah sure troll.
BTW - As a troll, you really need to work on your technique. I could give you some tips and perhaps suggest some good places for you to practice where you would blend in - Start here:
http://www.crossdressers.com/
BTW - Glad to see this 140 pages of pure stupid thread is back to abnormal. Thought it was a write off there for a few days. Became depressed.. went into withdrawal... Where would I ever find such a high concentration of corporate and government trolls? This place is a goldmine.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 17, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
Go read the post you drunken bar slut.
Second, I was the one that preached cavitation until I was banned for it. (ban #6 I think...) Comparing me to Farrah is like comparing Tesla to IST.
Third I did use a proxy dog breath. How do you think I got the quote? Which is technically not a hack so you got me there. Dammit! Someone should troll me for a few days for overstating my computer skills. Freaken SMF forum or mozilla software is not even recognizing my x-forward anymore. Can't wait till the upgrade. There is a pretty good exploit on smf where if hey ban you, naaaa.. I'm not going to disclose that. :-)
And lastly I know more about Meyer than anybody that has been willing to talk about it and can back up everything I write. But would I do that for a prince like you? Yeah sure troll.
BTW - As a troll, you really need to work on your technique. I could give you some tips and perhaps suggest some good places for you to practice where you would blend in - Start here:
http://www.crossdressers.com/
first, i don't drink. read the name... it's wilby, as in 'will be'. future tense, not present nor past. ::) as in, "mental midgets like you will be driving me to drink."
second, i didn't say anything about who preached what first... i simply stated that you are not an authority on meyers regardless of how many unsubstantiated assumptions and conjectures you have made about him and his 'work'. are you suggesting "preaching until you are banned for it" makes you an authority?
third, why are you restating the obvious? of course using a proxy isn't a 'hack', that's why i called you on it. ::)
BTW, instead of handing out your worthless 'tips' you could always "back up everything you write" about him (meyer) with a demonstration of a device that actually does what you claim... ::)
Actually Wilby,we don't need to do a "Meyers"
Because its very dangerous!![Very].We are after all made from mostly water?
POOF!! SIZZLE ME NIZZLE!!{not good}
BUT If any of you EinSteeens can explain this
http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/
I'd like one of those please!!
Thanks
Chetty
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 17, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
first, i don't drink. ...
whoa. first time I heard of a hobo who didn't drink! The bottles between railway tracks must have been stuffed with urine instead of booze.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2011, 03:13:17 PM
Actually Wilby,we don't need to do a "Meyers"
Because its very dangerous!![Very].We are after all made from mostly water?
POOF!! SIZZLE ME NIZZLE!!{not good}
BUT If any of you EinSteeens can explain this
http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/
I'd like one of those please!!
Thanks
Chetty
Agreed on the water fuel.
While I was distracting Wilby and his cabal of oil troopers better know as the the Standard Oilers, with my Mr. hand has a brain show, Professor Sergio Focardi and Eng. Andrea A. Rossi, slipped out the back door so they could publicly demonstrate the feasibility of cold fusion before the usual government tool interference showed up. Well... At least that is my version of events.
Essentially Naudins MHOG demonstration with nickel catalyst / reactor instead of a copper reactor is what it sounds like to me. Professor Sergio Focardi simply added a catalyst which Naudin did not have, making a patentable product and now it appears the product itself. The beauty is the simplicity and low cost - for some at least.
Bankers and Oilman (BO party) are not going to happy about this one. Why do you think TheBuzz caused their volcano to erupt in Sicily? Sure he was mad about the star buffing and all but it was the smoke and lava diversion trick which allowed the demonstration to take place.Works every time.
I'm taking shorts on Focardi Rossi at 20 to 1.
Quote from: chrisC on January 17, 2011, 04:46:18 PM
whoa. first time I heard of a hobo who didn't drink! The bottles between railway tracks must have been stuffed with urine instead of booze.
cheers
chrisC
Euuuwwweee That would also explain the smoking case of syphilis in the brain and obvious cognitive issues. That would be spelled Will "be" a drunken fool Wilber. Your story was not checking out.
I had a friend named Wilber that worked at a drop done but everybody just called him "homo". He hoe's and mows all that grass for a living. ;D
i'd like to have one of these:
XS
Yours is" MAKE BELIEVE" it runs on Fairy dust [easy.... Buzz].
This one is real ,it runs on Nickles and secret sauce!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10230.msg271240#new
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
XS
Yours is" MAKE BELIEVE" it runs on Fairy dust [easy.... Buzz].
This one is real ,it runs on Nickles and secret sause!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10230.msg271240#new
Chet
Make believe? Now shipping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyNc-97ZFhM&feature=related
Sorry for my ignorance XS NRG
Thanks Q2
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 18, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Sorry for my ignorance XS NRG
Thanks Q2
Chet
No apology needed Chet. Ignorance is what this thread is all about. It is not only encouraged, it is demanded.
I went over to POINT99's place and started reading Larry's new thread and noticed two things:
1. Larry didn't get past his first post before he got nailed by .99 for making an OU claim without meeting the undefined standard as Rosemary pointed out. Larry's post was not just deleted, it was modified by .99. Haven't seen that kind of nazism since oupower and before that Hitler himself.
2. The second thing I noticed was that PhysicsProfesser can't seem to form his next thought without someone else telling him what to do.
Just because someone was a physics professor doesn't mean they know anything about electronics. That will be a crack in the dam people use to discredit Larry if people start looking behind the wizards curtain and asking hard questions.
A calorimeter would be the only way to ultimately test that device and the output is so low, even that will be in question or impossible.
If an electronic device is OU, it should be able to run itself. If it can't, then it fails the law of economics and is rather pointless.
The only thing PhysicsProfesser is going to get out of all this is a bloody nose from both sides of the argument. Everything to lose and nothing to gain. He should have stuck around and learned to take the word "phenomenon" out of the definition of electricity and learned an experiment that would put classic EM in defense mode until they figure out a way to put vacuum energy into the equations. That would have had value to him and you are not going to learn that from someone that was classically trained in electronics. It is like a religion with them - behold the power of programming.
e·lec·tric·i·ty (-lk-trs-t, lk-)
1.
a. The physical
phenomena arising from the behavior of electrons and protons that is caused by the attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge.
b. The physical science of such
phenomena.
2. Electric current used or regarded as a source of power.
3. Intense, contagious emotional excitement.
"attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge."Gee... Sure does sound like the pulling apart and slamming back together of some mass or that cavitation subject I have been preaching for years now. Explains the speed amplification of voltage to the speed of light which just happens to correlate to the force of the vacuum field. When we produce electricity we call it AB effect and it has been peer reviewed, just not accepted.
When people understand that then they will be able to logically create from that simple understanding based in knowledge. Belief and phenomena are the fog that blind them presently.
Lawrence's post was only edited to remove text of his unsubstantiated claims. None of his posts were deleted.
All claims of OU should be properly supported with credible evidence before being posted. In a nutshell, that's the "standard".
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
Lawrence's post was only edited to remove text of his unsubstantiated claims. None of his posts were deleted.
All claims of OU should be properly supported with credible evidence before being posted. In a nutshell, that's the "standard".
.99
.99 if you were not so blinded by your religion you would have read that I stated "Larry's post was not just deleted, it was modified by .99. "
I wrote the line exactly what happened - You deleted parts and modified it.
Next time you quote me, use the quote button since you seem to have a bad habit of misquoting me and then trying to use that as a place to create a false argument. That is what you did at OUR and then used that to ban me rather than man up. That is not "free energy" pal.
Oh and before you jump on the conspiracy theory band wagon, I was editing a typo and adding to the last line in that post hence the edit. What I didn't change is what you just misquoted. Once again... I don't expect you to apologize for your error this time any more than you did over he MileHigh spring misquote or any of the others.
Now go back to your temple O belief and praise the almighty books you use to form your house of cards. If you ever feel like pulling your head out of your arse, have a look at this Nassim Haramein work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE&feature=player_embedded
I'll attach his paper "The Schwartzchild Proton" to this post. Notice how he can go from the size of the universe down the the measured size of a magnetic field and be within 2.25 times of accuracy? Once he stops accepting the "belief" of what a magnetic field is I suspect you can cut that error factor exactly in half or .125
"The vacuum is feeding all atoms" - Nassim Haramein
:o
"99" has more stars than Saint BUZZ??
YIKES
I'm high Bidder [so far]on an old set of Slightly used stars from user Cletus.
He holds the record on most stars in the shortest time.
I think he made 3000 posts in 7 minutes [hardly used stars]
Before he threatened the pres and other silly stuff.
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
Lawrence's post was only edited to remove text of his unsubstantiated claims. None of his posts were deleted.
All claims of OU should be properly supported with credible evidence before being posted. In a nutshell, that's the "standard".
.99
Why don't you take your "Standard" and shove it up Grumpy's arse ?
You do not need to come here and tell us yOUR rules okay.
To be honest i do not understand why you keep comming back here..
WHY?
@Quark2
Good post your describing exactly what i was thinking.
That professor can buy the most expensive scope in the world but if he doesn't know how to use it he aswell as his equipment is useless.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 18, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
You do not need to come here and tell us yOUR rules okay.
To be honest i do not understand why you keep comming back here..
WHY?
What exactly is your problem with my presence at OU?
.99
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 18, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
Why don't you take your "Standard" and shove it up Grumpy's arse ?
You do not need to come here and tell us yOUR rules okay.
To be honest i do not understand why you keep comming back here..
WHY?
@Quark2
Good post your describing exactly what i was thinking.
That professor can buy the most expensive scope in the world but if he doesn't know how to use it he aswell as his equipment is useless.
Judging by your high-pitched voice, a few standards (and perhaps a gerbil or two) are already up your arse! LOL!
(Run gerbils! Run!!!)
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
What exactly is your problem with my presence at OU?
.99
I just want to take a moment to thank God for that set-up which I intend to spend my free time using over and over all day. But for now I have to quickly go out and find some vermin to make an appropriate blood sacrifice with to thank the Gods.
Oooh - That should do... Snap! Thank you for stepping into my trap .99, now spit out the cheese and prepare to suffer!
This thread needs to take a new direction for a time to answer the question why we don't like .99.
I'll go first:
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
What exactly is your problem with my presence at OU?
.99
Because you are an uppity, fallible rodent that can't take responsibility for your mistakes but seem to have no problem holding others to theirs. That makes you evil, hollow and a destructive rodent.
If you look at the paw of the gerbil you will note it is holding a camera. Grumpy took a photo of himself in the mirror. I always wondered what you looked like grumpy!
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 18, 2011, 09:44:22 AM
Ramset THE DAMMED hath stolen stars like a hubcap thief from Harlem of the Mazaradi of universal knowledge.
mazaradi... LMFAO!
not even close... ::) try maserati. you disrespect a maker of fine machines with your trollish ignorance.
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
What exactly is your problem with my presence at OU?
.99
You come to overunity.com to feast upon Lawrence's swiss cheese filled with holes yet you do not allow him to make cheese at your own uppity cheesy blatheration site.
Hands off Stephan's cheese rodent turd.. We belong to Harti!
Even though that dog butt Hartman has banned me 7 times more that that pig dog .99... Hum... Time to think... Calculating stolen stars... Confused... Feeling torn and lost...
The buzz needs to get his star back soon. Real soon.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 18, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
mazaradi... LMFAO!
not even close... ::) try maserati. you disrespect a maker of fine machines with your trollish ignorance.
Kiss my bar stool slut!- Your proof reading skills were noted in your ATS profile.
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/ (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/)
You forgot to capitalize "not" and you forgot to capitalize Maserati you ignorant drunken fool! Maserati deserves the big M.
Damn that is a beautiful car.
quarktoo thanks for keeping us up to date on what's happening in the other mad house ;D
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
What exactly is your problem with my presence at OU?
.99
The professor over at Gilligan's Island of pretentious fools can't understand why he has a small h shaped wave.
The reason is because he doesn't know what electricity is. The voltage is pulling free electrons from the electron sea toward the inductor. Problem is, you don't have enough voltage to pull enough electrons to magnetize the inductor and so they just just hit a brick wall. (That is called an unsaturable reactor)
That produced the positive line on the h and when the current hit the inductor that did not magnetize, the voltage and current reversed and that made the the negative voltage part of the spike of the small h. It appears as a sharp vertical line because that all happened at the speed of light and that does not take much time.
The electrons then reverse direction and hit electrons coming in behind from the cathode and they cavitate on the surface of the wire. (Voltage is 2 X the speed of light) This converts more mass into atomic energy so you get to square he output of the mass converted. E=MC2
Now that kersplat splits in half and half of that original wave of electrons and much of the product of the E-MC2 conversion hit the inductor a second time, and this time, we have enough current flow to make some flux in the inductor through AB oscillations. That makes the hump on the small h and since that all takes lots of time to saturate that inductor partially, you see that time on your scope.
Problem is... You don't get much for all that work since all you did was bang it against a piece of iron. Now what if that inductor was already charged and stayed that way all the time without taking work. Gee.. We get the nice stretching effect of the flywheel effect but the inductor is what I call in a super inductive state and so we do not waste energy charging it and losing energy while it discharges.
At that point, the inductor is like a zero friction and zero inertia flywheel while producing a magnetic field to play with. Most of that magnetic field comes from the iron of the inductor which is referred to as AB oscillations. This too is a mass to atomic energy conversion and the net result is OU.
Imagine a car stuck in the mud is your inductor and .99 is current. .99 wants to push his car out of the mud but instead of rocking it back and forth like one of us uneducated people would, he takes run at it and hits the trunk and face plants into the trunk lid of his 72 Gremlin leaving a dent the shape of his ugly face. Did the car move? Not really.... Why? Because when it comes to energy, .99 is a lightweight.
Quote from: powercat on January 18, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
quarktoo thanks for keeping us up to date on what's happening in the other mad house ;D
Did they ban you too? ;D
Dude, banning in SMF is pointless. If you want me to show you how to get back in I have a method that is bulletproof.
.99, made the mother of all mistakes when he set up SMF. I am a PHP and MySQL programmer and I about pissed myself laughing when I noticed the exploit he left the troll patrol.
I didn't help write SMF but "the answer is buried in the code dude..."
They only ban people to feel good so indeed it is poyntless exept for the fact that they get a hard E-Dick.
I don't mind :)
I have my own friends you know.
Quote from: quarktoo on January 18, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Did they ban you too? ;D
No, but he really made me angry when he abused his moderator privileges,and upset a lot of the respected members here >:( At least now we know what type of power he was looking for ;D
absolute
Went over to whatreallyhappened.com to read the news and what was the top headline and Mike's comment? TheBuzz watches over me I swear...
Study: Many college students not learning to think critically
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/18/106949/study-many-college-students-not.html#ixzz1BPiuvb00 (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/18/106949/study-many-college-students-not.html#ixzz1BPiuvb00)
Mikes comment and I could not have said it better myself:
"This is intentional. The powers that be are perfectly willing to sell you an advanced education on credit, and to fill your head up with memorized dogma, but they dare not allow people to learn how to actually analyze and comprehend what they see happening before them. Logic and critical thinking are the hallmarks of a free society, while rote memorization and repetition are the dictator's counterfeit."
Quote from: powercat on January 18, 2011, 01:14:09 PM
No, but he really made me angry when he abused his moderator privileges,and upset a lot of the respected members here >:( At least now we know what type of power he was looking for ;D
absolute
cat,
Join and see for yourself. I think you'll find that the OUR forum moderation is fair and not excessively exercised. Many folks from here have joined us. Log on and I'd be happy to chat about what happened.
However, if you're only interested in the type of discussion that carries on in this thread, then don't bother.
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
the OUR forum moderation is fair and not excessively exercised.
.99
LIAR LIAR LIAR !!!!!YOU ARE A BLOODY LIAR!!!Living in a different world!!!!
Go there and STAY there!
...
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
cat,
Join and see for yourself. I think you'll find that the OUR forum moderation is fair and not excessively exercised. Many folks from here have joined us. Log on and I'd be happy to chat about what happened.
However, if you're only interested in the type of discussion that carries on in this thread, then don't bother.
.99
Yeah... Just five posts up someone explained exactly what happens in a joule thief and why. Do you think that is going happen at OUR? Not in million years. - that wouldn't pass your "steer review".
Fair moderation? Ha ha. While I was being thugged to death by a bunch of cloned idiots, Rose was also complaining about your "unfair" moderation regarding poems that were being written in the shout box of all places - a bit excessive by any standard.
When you are repeatably served your own false claims on a silver platter, you just ignore it like it never happened. Fair? That is laughable! What goes on over there is nothing short of suppression disguised as research. You inability to be accountable is nothing short of psychopathic.
The greatest inventions don't come from people like you, they come from people that don't play by the rules or for that matter, even know they exist. Your imposing order and control based in the fear of insecurity is palpable at that forum and it is a reflection of you.
That does not allow for a creative space, quite the opposite. Creativity needs room to breath and explore. It needs a place where it is O.K. to fail and try again. It needs the justice born out of equality. Creativity is based out of need and love not control, compliance and fear.
That is why long term, your forum will fail in it's claimed objective. You are strangling all those creative juices that don't play by the rules that were programmed into you. Overunity is also against the rules. Your version of "steer review" with a heavy emphasis of "your" is suffocating and from what I can see, it is a way to make sure that nothing new ever breaks until those that engage in institutional suppression have an opportunity to do their thing. Do you suppose that is why that latest cold fusion demonstration took place three days early? While the spooks were on the plane and checking into their hotel rooms, the deed got done - Hilarious! Genius! Two thumbs up! You appear to be working for the UK government and I am not the only one that suspects that.
I have banned many times for explaining cavitation which is a fusion/fission event. An acceleration which converts mass to atomic energy. People are now using the term and thinking and talking about it. It too is regarded a "phenomena" although I see Wiki has changed their definition.
Now I am teaching the different methods or forms of acceleration and how to use them in practical ways and I again get banned for going out on the edge. What they teach in school is all about making sure you don't see the truth. Just look at the effects... Don't think about it.. It isn't possible... Just keep moving along and go back to sleep... It is defined by a label describing the effect which tells you nothing about cause.
So you stick with the "phenomena" explanation for the effects and I am going to keep learning and teaching the causes. People that have not been programmed have this thing called common sense and once they understand what is happening at a mechanical level, they are unstoppable. They have tools, they know how to fabricate and there are millions of them out there.
e·lec·tric·i·ty (-lk-trs-t, lk-)
a. The physical
phenomena arising from the behavior of electrons and protons that is caused by the attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge.
b. The physical science of such
phenomena.And lastly, you just PM's me and asked me what my problem with you was in private. You had no problem telling me what your problem was with me in public. Turn around is fair play - don't pm me.
Quote from: XS-NRG on January 18, 2011, 03:13:03 PM
LIAR LIAR LIAR !!!!!
YOU ARE A BLOODY LIAR!!!
Living in a different world!!!!
Go there and STAY there!
While you posted that which I did not see until after I posted, and Grumpy was doing his usual smear, I posted the same thing. POYNTless does live in an altered reality. Maybe he got a hold of some of Grumpys prozac.
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
cat,
Join and see for yourself. I think you'll find that the OUR forum moderation is fair and not excessively exercised. Many folks from here have joined us. Log on and I'd be happy to chat about what happened.
However, if you're only interested in the type of discussion that carries on in this thread, then don't bother.
.99
You come here touting for new members after Stefan allows you to come back ::)
As for the discussion in this thread, after nearly a year we finally all know Lawrence can't deliver what he promises
Quote from: quarktoo on January 18, 2011, 03:51:48 PM
I have banned many times for explaining cavitation which is a fusion/fission event. An acceleration which converts mass to atomic energy. People are now using the term and thinking and talking about it. It too is regarded a "phenomena" although I see Wiki has changed their definition.
Now I am teaching the different methods or forms of acceleration and how to use them in practical ways and I again get banned for going out on the edge. What they teach in school is all about making sure you don't see the truth. Just look at the effects... Don't think about it.. It isn't possible... Just keep moving along and go back to sleep... It is defined by a label describing the effect which tells you nothing about cause.
Deceleration also works and that is from actual experiments not some theoretical BS. It takes three orthogonal forces to induce a current in a conductor. If any of these coincide with the direction of current than large currents are produced quite easily, and this is is why a homopolar generator produces such a large current with such low voltage. (Of course homopolar generators have that back-torque issue to contend with.)
Quote from: powercat on January 18, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
You come here touting for new members after Stefan allows you to come back ::)
As for the discussion in this thread, after nearly a year we finally all know Lawrence can't deliver what he promises
I don't need to recruit members; they come on their own. The invitation stands cat. There is a chat feature which allows real time communications. You seem to have a problem with me and the OUR site, so I invite you to check it out for yourself and express your issues, one on one.
@quarktoo,
I'd rather not disrupt this forum any further by having what should be a private debate with you in public about your problems with me. That is why I asked you in a PM. If you can not muster a civil argument in private, then that's fine. However, unless you are prepared to back up your slander with something substantial, I would ask you to please cease and desist that said slander against me. Clearly this goes against this forum's TOS. It's only a question of whether or not the admin here stands behind this TOS and actions the breaches you are perpetrating here.
.99
Quote from: sigma16 on January 18, 2011, 04:39:37 PM
Deceleration also works and that is from actual experiments not some theoretical BS. It takes three orthogonal forces to induce a current in a conductor. If any of these coincide with the direction of current than large currents are produced quite easily, and this is is why a homopolar generator produces such a large current with such low voltage. (Of course homopolar generators have that back-torque issue to contend with.)
According to your classic EM "theoretical BS" overunity isn't possible.
Funny how you can make statements like that at OUR and and don't have to back it up with something like others would be required to. It is that double standard that people complain about. Shakedown operation disguised as a free energy web site? :-) Da!
Quote from: poynt99 on January 18, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
I don't need to recruit members; they come on their own. The invitation stands cat. There is a chat feature which allows real time communications. You seem to have a problem with me and the OUR site, so I invite you to check it out for yourself and express your issues, one on one.
@quarktoo,
I'd rather not disrupt this forum any further by having what should be a private debate with you in public about your problems with me. That is why I asked you in a PM. If you can not muster a civil argument in private, then that's fine. However, unless you are prepared to back up your slander with something substantial, I would ask you to please cease and desist that said slander against me. Clearly this goes against this forum's TOS. It's only a question of whether or not the admin here stands behind this TOS and actions the breaches you are perpetrating here.
.99
Now POYNTless99 thinks he is going to moderate this forum. Sorry Heir .99, your ban button does not work here. Go troll your own forum. People keep telling you to go away - that is good advice.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 18, 2011, 04:39:37 PM
Deceleration also works and that is from actual experiments not some theoretical BS. It takes three orthogonal forces to induce a current in a conductor. If any of these coincide with the direction of current than large currents are produced quite easily, and this is is why a homopolar generator produces such a large current with such low voltage. (Of course homopolar generators have that back-torque issue to contend with.)
Truce for 1 post -
If you take your Sigma16 and shoot a beer can, it drills a nice neat hole through the can and does not damage the can all that much. Now reload a shell with about 25% of the powder in it. Notice how it does massive damage to the can? Deceleration. Same thing I suspect on a smaller scale.
On a theoretical level maybe the reason is that a voltage field floats above the surface of the wire. As it slows down perhaps it is closer to the surface - that I am not sure about that but it is possible.
I always try and understand what is happening so that I can build from that. A book of classic EM rules is useless in OU research. It is the cracks in classic EM that will reveal the techniques of OU IMO.
O.K. Game on again. :-)
Quote from: quarktoo on January 18, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
According to your classic EM "theoretical BS" overunity isn't possible.
Funny how you can make statements like that at OUR and and don't have to back it up with something like others would be required to. It is that double standard that people complain about. Shakedown operation disguised as a free energy web site? :-) Da!
Correct. OU is not possible per classical EM, nor do I beleive it is possible. This is why I think looking for "additional energy" or "exotic sources of energy" is futile.
I never claimed "overunity", or OU. I made a "statement" of what I think, based on what I did, and left it up to others to verify.
Ed Gray knew about accelerating mass and gives a nice demonstration of it. See link here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9848.msg271372#msg271372
The author mentions a precise indicator of acceleration in his description of events.
Quote from: sigma16 on January 18, 2011, 05:39:28 PM
Correct. OU is not possible per classical EM, nor do I beleive it is possible. This is why I think looking for "additional energy" or "exotic sources of energy" is futile.
I never claimed "overunity", or OU. I made a "statement" of what I think, based on what I did, and left it up to others to verify.
Ed Gray knew about accelerating mass and gives a nice demonstration of it. See link here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9848.msg271372#msg271372
The author mentions a precise indicator of acceleration in his description of events.
Ed gray in that post is quoted as saying what I did to POYNTless99:
Gray said, "I never had no schooling in electronics or physics, so nobody told me it was impossible."
So what you are doing is doublespeak. One one hand, you suggest you did something and on the other you don't think it is possible while leaving it up to others to decide while not exactly demonstrating it.
I know why your delay line is giving you the result it is and I have explained it here and there till I am blue in the face. To continue to explain it is POYNTless especially when you don't believe" it is possible. I don't really have beliefs or any other magical thoughts.
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You know damn well why it works too. You split the positive line and that is your basic AB effect. Stick a magnet between where the split takes place and see if your output increases. Krones multi path is the same thing.
I've seen a photo of a nano AB effect generator and it is just like the original experiment only hardwired. Personally I think it is the safest and best way to get there but Hubbard and a few others have me curious as well.
Got my cores worked out and am thinking this thing could be experimented with a C core with a center leg that can slide around to figure out where the sweet spot is. Just happen to have one all set up.